I'm curious who is talking to others about this when not at DU

[texpatriot2004]

I was wondering how many of us are calling family and friends or fellow Dems, etc and talking about what we know? Or watercooler conversations? Or passing out flyers? You know, what efforts are being made to get the info off the computer and into the external world?

If you are talking,what are your experiences with this? How is it received?

[crispini]

1. I plant it whenever I can with coworkers.

In a very subtle way around the water cooler, especially when the subject of computers or security comes up. Not being tinfoilhatty about it, very lightly, just a sentence or two and then go on.

(I do the same thing with Wal-Mart, btw.)

[jamboi]

3. That's the way to do it IMO. n/t

[texpatriot2004]

4. Me too, we call it the Mart of Darkness (Wal-Mart)

I like the subtle approach, not to overwhelm or scare people with the shiny tin foil.

I know people here at DU talked about passing out flyers on their lunch hours too.

Thanks for the input.

[zann725]

83. Opportunities come up to discuss it all the time..every day...

and I now find that people approach me for daily 'updates' and encouragement that 'we're gonna win this!'

I find most people are a bit discouraged that it's not being covered that much in MSM, and so assume less is actually happening that is. When they find out otherwise, there is still hope.

But we need to QUICKLY get bumper stickers and other grass-roots promo out there so that everyone can see and begin to ask questions, and mobilize.

[McCamy Taylor]

2. me me me

[Bluzmann57]

5. I do all the time

and I think there's been at least a little progress made. Mainstream Media, election fraud, and the numerous mistakes that bush and co. keep making are my three main topics. Too bad its too little, too late.

[henslee]

6. First off, I am still recoveriing my credibility from my Rathergate....

blathering so I must now pick my spots. Frankly, my friends are either self aborbed or apathetic, especially the ones with some dough in their pocket or the ones with no dough and mouths to feed. They like getting the occasional email alert from me but do they act? Do they write? No.
Actually, I had fewer friends after last election and even fewer after this one.

[crispini]

17. That is why you should become politically involved locally.

Most of my friends are precinct chairs, activists, worker bees at the party office, and other forms of political junkies.

We sit around and talk politics like you would not BELIEVE.

[Hamoth]

7. I WAS at rrmb,

but the Randi Rhode's forum is DEAD.
Died yesterday, no explanations or relief yet.

[MarkusQ]

I am. Mostly Republicans, because I'm in a red state...

...and most of my friends are Republicans. And also because I'm finding them more simpathetic/open to the idea than the Democrats. The Democrats I know seem to be more concerned with getting Kerry in some how, some day (e.g., in 2008) than in dealing with the obvious fraud. "We went down that road in 2000" is a common complaint. "I can't believe we're such losers/I'm so depressed" is another.

On the other hand, nailing wrongdoers seems to be a popular topic of conversation amongst my Republican friends and neighbors. In that regard, I suppose we are a little like sharks, and somebody just bled in the water.

--MarkusQ

[texpatriot2004]

32. The shark image is pretty appropriate eh. We are eating our

own as they say. Well, what hope you give me that you have the ears of Repubs on this. I can't even socialize with them much at this point. Glad someone is talking to them. I think their party has been infiltrated, rather infested with the neocon parasite which is living quite well off the host. I hope that they will reclaim their party.

[MarkusQ]

38. Why can't you socialize with Republicans? Have you tried? n/t

[texpatriot2004]

53. I used to. Since the election I have only a few times. The way I

feel about it now is this, if people can support B*, if they believe that he is a good leader, a good person, and even worse, a good Christian, that his policies are good and working, I want nothing to do with them. Their values are not my values! I don't trust them. They are like those who gave rise to Nazi Germany and Hitler.

He's destroying the environment. His war is horrid and does not support his self professed Christianity. His economic policies are a disaster. Etc, etc.

It's too important, too much is at stake now. People can support whoever they want and I can choose who my friends are.

It's no longer about the "you're entitled to your own political opinions" routine for me. B* is NO republican. He and his ilk have taken over that party. It should not be tolerated. I have said to at least one person, "if you voted for B* you're de__ to me." IOW I want nothing to do with you.

Perhaps some miracle will happen for me and I will move beyond this place that I am in now, but right now, that's where I am at with Repubs.

[MarkusQ]

58. I'd suggest staying friends AND staying honest

Some people find it hard to change their expressed point of view unless they know someone else who hold that view. They don't want to be the "first" to question what "everybody else" thinks. By staying in the loop, you give these people a way to explore the posibility that Bush is not what he claims.

This can be very valuable for our nation and (I suspect) may be why there has been such an effort to polarize us into red team/blue team factions that don't talk.

--MarkusQ

[texpatriot2004]

64. Usually I am very tolerant of others and their opinions, I am

usually open minded and easy going. But the fact is, these B* supporters don't want to hear the facts. They don't want to listen to reason. It's just too infuriating. They won't hear anything that contradicts what they want to believe about B*.

Fundamentally, I know you have a good point here. I can even see the polarizing effects. Thing is, I would rather fight them. Better dead than red.

You can't reason with them and they won't hear the facts. It's very obvious. Perhaps you have had a different experience, it sounds like you have.

[MarkusQ]

66. I know you would rather fight them. But they are not the enemy.

They may be dupes, or pawns, or even willingly ignorant. But the vast majority of them did not steal the election, did not fake up "proof" that Iraq had WMD, did not decide to send National Guard troops into battle with inadequate armour...

You are being set up to fight them instead of facing the real battle. They are both a cover and a resource for the Neo-cons. Convert them, win them over, talk to them and you will do more good than fighting them, even if it is much harder and far less satisfying.

I'm occasionally having the same problem on this side, convincing people that the "left wing nut jobs" aren't trying to "steal the election after the fact" because they can't "get over it" and "move their asses on dot org" (yes, someone actually said that). But guess what: the truth works. If you stay reasonable, stick to the facts, and don't fold or run away and hide, the vast majority of people aren't as dumb as the media would have you believe.

Perpetual fighting (as opposed to reasonable persuasion) is exactly what Rove et al want. Fight that instead of your friends and neighbors.

--MarkusQ

[texpatriot2004]

68. MarkusQ I really thank you, your last words filled my eyes with

tears and even made me laugh (...even if it is much harder and far less satisfying). I very much appreciate this discussion as your words are powerful and helpful. They are, perhaps, the first that have pierced me since this whole thing began.

Still, I believe that 48% probably did vote for the SOB and their ignorance of his action, not his words, combined with their support of him, in my mind, makes them guilty by association. I know that they did not steal the election or fake proof for war but they support him and he is evil. Plus, they don't want facts or reason. So why are they not equally culpable? Are they not aiding him? Are they not complicit in his monstrous behavior? Why not? Their ignorance is no excuse in my book. It is their responsibility to know not remain ignorant. I have to inform myself and I do. Why shouldn't they?

I know that their party has been infiltrated by the neo-cons why don't they see it? I can even see what you say about the set-up.

How do you talk to people that won't listen? Like you are right now with me eh :-) I admire your willingness to try. I admire what you say about the truth working, staying reasonable, sticking to the facts, etc. I am not convinced it will work. I am not convinced fighting will work.

[MarkusQ]

73. No time for a long answer...

...I'm about to run out the door.

But basically, they do try to inform themselves. Many of them do want facts and reason. The problem is, that the sources they use (Faux News, the local paper, people that they work, go to school or church with, etc.) are often biased or are themselves misinformed. Maybe when we solve the "last mile"/"digital divide" problem, or get back to having more than a handful of companies control 90% of all the TV & radio, they'll be able to do a better job of it. But at the moment, their just doing the best they can with the resources they have.

That's why they need you.

--MarkusQ

[SmokingJacket]

82. Good post.

I think election fraud should be talked about as a bipartisan issue -- and that it truly is one. Since Republicans currently hold most of the power and because they seem to own all the voting machine companies, they might have the cornered the market on fraud this time around, but certainly Dems are not immune.

Claiming the moral high ground -- "we would never cheat!" -- for the Dems and making this a partisan topic is an extremely bad idea. It will alienate Republicans and Independents who really do care about honest elections, and we need every single person we can get to work on this.

The more Republicans we can get to take the issue seriously, the less tinfoily it will seem to people who might actually be on the fence.

[Radio_Lady]

70. Tried to socialize...

At a party for a local Republican candidate who is a friend of my husband's, I had to listen to the ramblings of a part-time school teacher from a small community west of where I live in Oregon. She claims that the Democrats support tenure for members of the teachers' union and that keeps bad teachers on indefinitely (they can't be fired). I don't know enough about the issue, but I know Bush wasn't the right guy for the Presidency. The local Republican candidate for State Treasurer lost here. He was the only Republican we voted for.

[IndyOp]

43. Thank you for this post!

I tried talking with my Republican neighbor a few days afterwards and he listening but also did a whole lot of eye-rolling. Now that there is more evidence I might just try again!

"...I'm finding more sympathetic/open to the idea than the Democrats... Nailing wrongdoers seems to be a popular topic of conversation amongst my Republican friends and neighbors."

:bounce:

[operafred]

8. i am

and i won't stop!

[texpatriot2004]

33. Me Either. I will not go quietly this time! n/t

[saracat]

9. I have talked to everyone I know and the press. I was interviewed at the

Rally and I do a televison politcal talk show for the Democratic Party during which ,usually against the wishes of my co-hosts, I jammer about election fraud.I raise this at every social gathering and democratic meeting. The reaction has usually not been positive. I am told I "need to move forward" "Get over it",'Reach out to the Republicans" , "figure out whwt wqe did wrong" and ,"work on 2006 and 2008". I had a ray of hope after the capitol demonstration. Four other Democratic chairs were actively involved. That gave me hope.

[texpatriot2004]

31. I get livid about that "move on, get over it, 2008 trash talk" You

sound very vocal. Why the resistance do you suppose?

[saracat]

63. They are afraid they will be viewed as "crackpot conspiracy

theorists" by the the Republicans. Also it is the point of view mandated by the Leadership, and some are more concernd with their own stsus within the Party than anything else!

[PBS Poll-435]

10. I try to talk to .......

Parents and coworkers........

That does not work too well. Without DU I would be going insane!!!

I printed the Arnebeck suit, and showed it to my dad. He said that the court should assess Arnebeck a $150,000 fine for a frivolous lawsuit. I am so damned sick of my parents and the fundies saying how great W is. (BTW a 'W' looks like a butt).

[texpatriot2004]

30. I am grateful for DU too. Hang in there. n/t

[gdub]

11. We have set up a site with a more general focus...

... in order to promote the issues to a broader audience. Most "hard core" info sites and blogs a difficult to wade through and strike most people as a bit "over the edge," if only because they report questionable information too quickly, before it is vetted.

Of course, this is the problem with the mainstream media itself.

However, the Scam-o-rama blog goes out to about 150 "influential" people who then pass on various pieces to their own networks...

The intention is to cover the issues and news, but from an angle that is a bit more accessible to a general audience. The goal is that it will get passed on and listened to with an open mind by those who receive it from a personal source they trust.

Take a look. Pass it on:
http://scam-o-rama.blogspot.com

P.S. Included in the network are a number of very influential editors and journalists at major news outlets.

[crispini]

18. Thank you!

Great blog!

REALLY? Influential editors and journalists?

Ooooooooo.

[texpatriot2004]

23. Cool thanks for the link to the blog

[IAMREALITY]

12. Allllllll the time

Everyday when DU'rs post new breaking stuff I print it out and put it right up in my cube in plain view for all to see!

I also have my whiteboard which for the last few weeks says on it "The 2004 Election was stolen. ASK ME HOW!"

You'd be amazed how many people have.

I even converted a repub, though a very smart one, to the side of actually considering that this really in fact took place. The Freeman paper was the first thing that caught his eye.

[crispini]

19. Dude, nice avatar! :D n/t

[texpatriot2004]

29. You are a genius. That's a terrific idea. Most effective. n/t

[IndyOp]

44. Amazing!

I thought about putting something like that ("The 2004 Election was stolen. ASK ME HOW!") on a badge, but just hadn't gotten there yet.

You have inspired me - :kick:

[WilliamPitt]

13. I am

I tell bartenders. Get them all hepped up. On two separate occasions, in two different places, I saw the bartenders I talked to talking to other people at the bar about what I'd told them.

You want to start a whisper campaign? Talk to the bartenders and the barbers.

[keepthemhonest]

20. that is a great idea

I don't go out anymore though,hardly ever.
I do talk to family members and co-workers, they seem to think we weere robbed again but don't think anything will be done. I try to update the ones who are not looking into it.

[texpatriot2004]

28. I don't go to bars anymore, but that's a great idea to get them

talking.

Absolutely agree with the Barbers...and hairdressers...great idea.

[unpossibles]

14. let's put it this way

I think my wife, our friends, and all of the musicians and scooterists I know are sick of me talking about it.

On the other hand, the meme is spreading, and I have noticed more and more people get interested. Sadly I also see people who instantly poo-poo it because (1) it is not on TV or (2) they do not realize it is not necessary to have millions of people doing this because of the technology involved and refuse to listen to arguments otherwise.

I think it is like the parent who chooses to not notice their kid's rotten behavior - the public and maybe some in the media are in massive denial because it is a difficult thing to consider, that the system is seriously flawed. And ironically, they say we are in denial.

I just read a quote from a Rethug head here in Ohio that said something like "it's not silly season" in response to the recount and fraud lawsuits. On the one hand, the story is getting out there (I saw this in the Columbus Dispatch "newspaper"), on the other it is being used to ridicule anyone who cares.

[texpatriot2004]

24. I like your point about irony...we are in denial, right? sarcasm on

[movie_girl99]

15. i do but they look at me like im mad in the head

and they ask..."why havent we heard anything about it". I try and explain that its because the MSM isnt covering it. Then they go on about how CNN and all the other "liberal" media would be all ove it if it was true.

[texpatriot2004]

26. Yeah, that's a real problem n/t

[Karenca]

16. I do, all the time----

it seems that people think I have a wondrous imagination.
I send emails to the media, and petitions to everyone.
I also write on all my dollars "Kerry won Ohio---Bush stole 2004 Election".

I'm getting nervous that we're going to get robbed this time too.
I wish all 60,000,000 would join us and rise against the dictatorship.

[HEAVYHEART]

21. My web site

I'm a well known musician in my home town and I have an online blog. All my friends, fans, and music supporters read my blog every day. I get over 300 hits a day. I know it's not much compared to sites like DU, but not bad for a small town. I have done nothing but talk about election fraud since day 1, that's all I talk about in my blog every single day. I've provided links, updates, etc.. to inform those around me. I get emails everyday from people who agree with or they thank me for providing all the fraud info. I also get emails from trolls but I don't pay much attention to them. I haven't stopped. I think about the election fraud every single friggin day. I live it, I breathe it, I go to bed thinking about it, I wake up thinking about it.

Well meaning friends and fans tell me I'm obsessed, but most people are thankful that I'm spreading the word.

[texpatriot2004]

25. I am obsessed too my friend...glad other are as well n/t

[Griffy]

22. I take different approach.. I say.. i wish MSM would just..

cover the story, debunk all these internet people so we can have a peaceful country.... some say "huh".. so i fill them in, not as 1 of the bloggers, but as a citizen hat wants to know that the vote is secure. Talk about the 4th estate as if it still works, my favorite analogy is the Roswell NM incident... the media and the government addressed aliens landing, so why the blackout on voting? Gets them thinking... the more sure you appear, he less they will hear you... make them question what they know! Oh.. I also drive around with a "bsh cheated 04 bumpersticker"

[texpatriot2004]

27. I like that, "make them question" part and what a good point

you make about the alien thing.

Bumpersticker...very effective.

[angrydemocrat]

35. I'm constantly doing something

I refuse to give up. My husband and daughter say that I am obsessed with all this. But I refuse to give up the fight. I will not go away quietly by no means. I send out tons of emails, make phone calls to Senators, and constantly running my big mouth about it where ever I go no matter if it pisses some rightwing nut off or not. Unfortunately I live in Tennessee and it is flooded with the damn nuts! Totally sucks!

[texpatriot2004]

54. I am told I am obsessed too and I also am surrounded by nuts

[elizm]

71. Thank God...

For all you 'nuts'. :)

[unpossibles]

61. that is brilliant

position it not as you trying to beat them over the head with THE TRUTH, but as a concerned voting citizen who doesn't know much.

I think I may slightly alter my strategy if just to get the thing started...

"hey, I heard yesterday that there is some doubt over the election.... What do you think? What I heard was..." and mention a few easily remembered talking points.... maybe throw in some URLs to people who seem more receptive.

i also agree we need to talk to more RWs about it, although the results I've gotten from that have ranged from underwhelming to depressing. If I have to explain one more time why even potential fraud makes the mandate excuse ("well, it won't change 3.5 million votes if there was fraud...") useless I may scream.

On the bright side, even people like my father-in-law (a hard-core right-wing libertarian) have started backing down a bit. I think it is dawning upon them that Busllh doesn't represent them at all...

[texpatriot2004]

34. kick it

[angrydemocrat]

36. Kick

:kick:

[smartvoter]

37. I'm basically annoying everyone I know with it. I'll be shot soon. nt

[insane_cratic_gal]

39. Yup I yap

I talk with everyone I know about it.

From standing outside the school waiting to pick up my daughter, to my neighbhors, family, frankly anyone who will listen to me.

[Pepper32]

40. I have been locked out my AOL account for discussing this on a ...

message board. They claimed it was "inappropriate." However, one good thing resulted from this, I now have an email loop (is that what you call it?). We email election fraud updates etc to each other.

I also have been "dropping" flyers almost everywhere I go. As for friends and family. Most are in denial and the few that are not just wants to MOVE ON because they don't think anything can be done. Basically, they are all focused on the holidays.

ON edit: fixed typo

[IndyOp]

41. I wear my "Stop Election Fraud" badge everywhere I go!

I printed a page from RedHandsMovement.com, covered it with scotch tape, and pinned it to the sweater I wear everyday. It and the BIG version of the same that is taped to my office door are conversation starters. A student who lives in Cleveland, Ohio came to my office to take an exam today and we wound up talking about vote fraud for a half-hour!

I've also been sending out e-mails to a few dozen friends every few days. I've spoken in public 3 times (at the Faculty Coalition, the local public library, and my church). I may get a chance to speak again at the City Council meeting tomorrow night.

I have been working on a OpEd -- doubt it'll be good enough for the NYT, but when they reject it I'll send it to the local paper. It'll be something to the effect of "What if the biggest crime of the century happened and the big-time media didn't report it?"

:bounce:

[texpatriot2004]

77. Hey IndyOp how did you get into the speaking in public part?

What did you do, gather at the library? During regular hours? At church, how did that work? Did the City Council thing work out? How was it? I would love to hear any details about this. Thanks.

I like your line about big crime and no big media coverage.

[babydollhead]

42. put out a sign at my craft fair booth...

"Election Fraud! Let's talk about it!" The woman next to me said I was being a "buzz killer". Friends are like,"Show me some evidence" Family says,"You're obsessed" everone feels burned out and resolute with their loss. Geez! This is a lifeline for me, having this website...we need to form local groups so that we can continue in the event of a shutdown.

[Der Blaue Engel]

45. I don't speak to my family due to their toxic fundamentalist behavior

But I still include them in my annual Winter Solstice mailing, and this year I'm sending out one that's going to irritate EVERYONE. I know no one will want to hear it, but I'm going to tell them anyway.

As for friends and coworkers, I talk about it all the time; most just give me that indulgent smile now. I print out all of the official docs and have them available for anyone who doubts that anything is happening. I also forward important updates and rally info. to the e-mailing lists I'm on, and try to inject actual facts into discussions on the lists when they start parroting the MSM.

And through all of it, I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.

[vanboggie]

46. Keeping my Ohio relatives posted

and got this back from one of them today:
"I heard a report on the radio about the lawsuit in ohio regarding voter fraud! Pretty impressive."

[IndyPriest]

47. Everyday, everywhere

My experience is that people devour any info I can pass onto them: links, reports, articles. My sense is that VERY many people believe the election was stolen and had no idea anyone was concerned about it, doing anything about it. It tickles them no end that there's even a group "out there" called democratic underground!

[neversaynever]

48. Me, too, all day, everywhere, strangers, friends, everyone

currently, I'm suggesting to fellow illinoisans (is that right, what are we, aside from Dems?)...to lobby Dick Durbin to be the one senator to contest the election; have been doing everything I can to mobilize the Black and minority community here -- have even used the line "Come ON you guys, we are the bluest of the blue--we have to get out and save the country!" (even that works here).

I also sent flyers to about 900 addresses -- snail-mail -- from our national business mailing list, which includes many heavy-hitters (that was just before Thanksgiving)....

Tonight, at a performance in a pretty-much all-black, middle to upper middle class venue, I will make copies of Jesse Jackson's statements from the Dec 8 forum, and hand these out to parents of my students as "christmas" gifts -- with additional info, URLS, and Dick Durbin's email address. Also encouraging anyone who knows Obama personally to talk to him about his involvement or potential involvement.

Right now, another thing I'm attempting is trying to get FAIR (Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting) to go after the MSM on this

their URL, in case anyone is interested,

fair.org

[madbelgiancow]

49. I do

and so does my wife
but over here it's much easier.

Except the RWers, they call me a tinfoiler

[atxryan]

50. From the mountain tops!

I'm telling anyone who'll listen!

[libpunkmom]

51. Everyday, All day

But, I'm receiving some pretty piss poor responses.

[we can do it]

52. keep talking

I keep sending emails, etc. - a few friends, family seem surprised - this isn't what they hear on MSM so how can it be. However a couple have become interested enough to look further and spread the word.

[JohnnyCougar]

55. I send our bi-weekly e-mails to all of my friends.

It is the easiest way to communicate to the largest ammount of people, while sourcing your stuff, too. Most of my friends are actually really interested in the evidence and the things going on, but no one actually thinks the election will be overturned, or that anything will ever come of it.

But they ARE interested.

[proud patriot]

56. I inform my Dem Apathetic Gex X friends

:eyes: their hearts are in the right place
they don't have the gut for the day to day
grind of politics though :shrug:

[Senator]

57. I'll be at a meeting tonight

Of (another) 20 people who are attending to find out what they can do.

We just tell them and thank them:

www.thedeanpeople.org

(tour busses welcome)

[tavalon]

59. I am

I'm also doing a poster campaign, a decorate the local sculpture campaign and highway blogging campaign. My friends on LJ are sick to death of me and people who work with me are also quite used to hearing me discuss this issue ad nauseum.

[ClintCooper2003]

60. I talk about it every chance I get, because it's the only thing I want...

to talk about right now. Call me obsessed. (By the way, did I mention that this ELECTION WAS STOLEN!)

[candice]

62. Every chance possible

even when I was in the dentist's chair having my teeth cleaned, when I had my haircut. To everyone around me in person or via email. Calls to my mother to update her (she doesn't understand why the electors cast their vote). Got everyone I could to re-watch the CSPAN of Conyers. Am going to send Blackwell's letter and Conyer's response to everyone I know. I've asked everyone to email Conyers and will ask them to sign the MoveOn petition today.

I'm going to a Democratic meetup this evening in which election fraud will be the hot topic. BTW, I get positive responses, but then I live in the S.F. Bay Area (blue). I do think that Kerry should have won CA by more votes. When we first had blackbox voting in this primary, 40 thousand odd Kerry votes were siphoned to Gephardt.

Oh, be sure to send a postcard to Kerry today asking him to stand up with Conyers and to make our votes count and be counted accurately. We donated to his campaign and to have Ohio counted. His daughter Vanessa had a nightmare about the election being stolen, and Kerry assured her that he wouldn't let that happen. REMIND HIM. Home address: 19 Louisberg Square, Boston, MA

[texpatriot2004]

81. How did you learn about the dream?

[bitchkitty]

65. Last week,

at the check cashing place, I told the woman who owned it about the Ohio recount/audit and DemocraticUnderground - she had me write down the URL on a business card. She hadn't heard anything about the developments in Ohio and was very, VERY excited. When I first told her that they were uncovering evidence of fraud, she shouted, I KNEW IT! and called her boyfriend to tell him.

Yesterday at the doctor's office, I gave DU's address to the office staff and told them to pass it on. They are medical marijuana activists and very progressive, but had not heard of DU (I can't imagine that). But they know now, and they will spread the word.

[elizm]

67. Considering...

That I am in SOUTH CAROLINA, you can imagine how frustrating this can be. I talk to the handful of Democrats that I know to try to get them to pay attention...most are interested...but that is about it...SO frustrating! As far as the 'others', my family Thanksgiving gathering blew up....as I am the only non-Republican in the bunch....and I took all of the teasing I could before I SPOKE MY MIND! I couldn't get home fast enough to log onto DU to get a good dose of reality.

[texpatriot2004]

78. Bless your heart...I hate that outnumbered gang-up thing. Good

for you for giving it back.

[slackmaster]

69. In San Diego the mayoral race recount seems more interesting

California went so heavily for Kerry that nobody seems to care about Ohio.

[KerryReallyWon]

72. I am passing all to Kerry org in Fla. I was organizer for half state 2 yrs

And to family and friends. They are depending on me for it!!!
My responsibility is enormous now, more than during the campaign. Now they are hurting like all of us, and still look to me for leadership. I am still working just as many hours. I"m with you.
Lauren

[Amaryllis]

74. ALL THE TIME! I am obsessed and have hooked up with a group

here in Portland and now we are hooking up with other groups to try to maximize effectiveness. Of course, Portland was overwhelmingly Kerry territory. A local alternative paper before the election said the sharpest political divide here was between those who think Bush was a lousy pres and those who think he was an alien sent to destroy the planet.

[rainbow4321]

75. Basically if it ain't on the nightly news, it isn't true....

at least that is the response I get from my relatives.

But keep in mind she is in kind of a backward part of the country..sis went to buy some booze this evening and what did she see on BOTH of the liquor stores' doors in her town "closed because of Election Day. Doors will open when polls close at 7 pm". They had a local bonds vote today and I guess they wanted everyone sober when they voted for the new town library funding.
The "breaking news" tonight in their city...Some East Coast people will know what I am talking about here: You know that fireplace scene that is shown on one of the NYC stations on Xmas Eve? Is it WPIX? My family used to have it on back in the 70's/80's every Xmas Eve..it showed a fireplace on TV while Xmas Music played in the background?? Ok, the breaking news in Tulsa today was that "on Xmas Eve every house in Tulsa can have a fireplace..we're getting the TV fireplace like they have on the East Coast".

THAT is the mentality that the election fraud news is up against in the Midwest...

[texpatriot2004]

79. Oh boy! That's an uphill battle. n/t

[KaryninMiami]

76. I bring it up everywhere I go (especially with strangers)

Most of my friends and family have had enough of me talking about this, as have my co-workers. But bringing up the subject with strangers (people on planes, taxi drivers, while waiting in lines, etc.) is quite an experience. I am selective about who I bring it up with and I usually wind up handing them one of my mini-flyers by the end of the conversation (they say "Question the Election- Our Democracy Depends on It" with a few paragraphs of text and links to websights to find out more). People by the way, are generally so relieved and excited to talk about it- many think there's nothing they can do and that although they knew it might have happened, they think it's hopeless. I ask everyone to "make a deaL" and promise that once they've taken some time to read more, that they will tell at least 5 people and get them to do the same...

One person at a time, right?

[texpatriot2004]

80. I like your call to action and the "mini-flyer" too. Could you post

the text/content here? I am curious. I would like to make one too.