BBV Harris says "some indication machines calling out" and has IP address

[jamboi]

on Randi Rhodes. Diebold Central tabulators may be calling out. Says she could use help in tracking down the IP number. Windows System Event Logs show network or calling out to a private company.

Rhodes is also giving her a hard time for not being more available to KO and to DUers. Rhodes is saying we want to help her and pleading for action and getting some afadavits going. You cannot do this by yourself. Randi is asking about whether Andy is still with BBV. Rhodes: "You cannot do this by yourself." Rhodes asks "What can we do to help you?"

Rhodes: "We donated all this money, of course I'm gonna follow up." Harris says now information is to the point where our analysis can help and that much of that is posted on the web. Randi is asking that Harris connect with Conyers better so that the Judiciary committe can act on this. Randi says if the FOI acts are not being responded to that needs to be worked through the congress.

Harris defending, says has not recieved calls from Randi. They are disputing back and forth. Randi says shes left three messages. Rhodes: "Get a landline, Bev!" Rhodes says that everyone is complaining and that Harris was a no show yesterday. Harris: "Who notified me about the hearings?" Rhodes expressing frustration cuts to ad and says "A straight answer would be nice." She reports the DU says you can't work with her and implies that may be the case.

After the break Rhodes makes a comment like if Harris is misusing the money we'll find out. Reports on KO's comments about Harris being difficult on the phone with his staff and similar DU reports.

Rhodes: "It sounds like something fishy's up with Bev", but points out that this would not have been allowed on a conservative show. Says if there are problems w/ Harris "there will be hell to pay."
Rhodes: "If you're making a movie with our money well find out."

Republican caller is jumping on Harris, and encouraging going after her and not "wasting time"/money. Rhodes comes right back at him. This guy's a BSer. Trouble maker. She calls his points "bogus" "Get outa here." He's trying to say that Rhodes should sue Harris. Rhodes rejects is specious argument.
she said If your making a movie with our money well find out.

Next caller:
Rhodes: "I have a problem with the way she conducts business." Rhodes I think she slighted everyone who gave money to her. But it was only $1 per person.

Next caller: What about Kerry taking a lot more money and being slow to come out to deal with Ohio.

Rhodes: "I'm not a tool of the party."
Rhodes: "She owes us an explanation."

Reviews Harris' credentials, book, activism, as for reason Rhodes selected her to endorse. Breaks for ad.

I'm wondering if Harris is getting intimidation and is frightened. Or maybe the intense pressure is getting to her.

I'm thinking that you know that in times of rapid growth sometimes a leader is pushed beyond their abilities. It seems evident to me that Harris has a prickly personality at times and is not good at administration. So she needs help in those areas and I think it was good for Rhodes to push her to let others help her. But if she has a delicate personality I'm thinking the way to help the situation is not to attack her and that we will not help the situation by piling on. I think we should try to reach out to her again (and again and again) to provide help. Maybe she will be able to drop her defensiveness and allow others to help now.

With all the crazy stuff going on right now on its enough to make ANYONE paranoid. And there seems to be good reason to fear the opposition. Harris is very isolated right now which is not good for us or for her. How can we find ways to bridge that gap and get us as best as possible pointed in the same direction?

She was definitely asking for help with tracking down the IP number and with analyzing the findings they had so far. Maybe that can be a place we can work with her and try to bury the hatchet as much as possible.

[Cyrano]

1. Bev Harris is really hemming and hawing here.

What the fuck is she talking about and what is she up to? Randi sounds pissed, especially after having asked us to contribute to her.

Exactly what's going on here?

On edit: I contributed, and I'm starting to get pissed off.

[Greylyn58]

8. I Agree

Something really funky is going on with her. I find it kind of weird.

Wonder what is going on?

[jamboi]

66. Middle section I was editing when my time ran out.

Harris connect with Conyers better so that the Judiciary committe can act on this. Randi says if the FOI acts are not being responded to that needs to be worked through the congress.

Harris defending, says has not recieved calls from Randi. They are disputing back and forth. Randi says shes left three messages. Rhodes: "Get a landline, Bev!" Rhodes says that everyone is complaining and that Harris was a no show yesterday. Harris: "Who notified me about the hearings?"

Rhodes expressing frustration cuts away from Harris.

Commenting on how DU says she (Harris) is impossible to work with, wanted to know how she could piss off Keith O. when he is the only one reporting the story, wanted to know why Bev was not at the Ohio hearings, etc.

Rhodes expressing frustration: "A straight answer would be nice." Rhodes closed the segment by saying "I wish it didn't have to be like this."

[ParanoidPat]

44. Randi claimed she had been trying to contact Bev Harris.......

.......and said Bev had not called her back. I heard her say it and called the number listed on the www.blackboxvoting.org web site front page and let her know. Bev then called the show and Randi went off on her. :wtf:

It started with a previous caller asking about getting the "source code" to the machines and Randi told him to contact Bev if he could get a hold of her. I call Bev every now and then and have never failed to reach her at that publicly published number. It's a cell phone that she always carries!

Randi started laying into Bev confusing the "source code" that was studied and is available at Jim March's web site, with the executable code used in different states in the machines.
She started giving Bev shit for not getting the code under the FOIA requests and wouldn't let Bev explain why you can't even ask for it under FOIA. It's proprietary!

Why is it that I can call that number right on the front page of her site and get her every time but someone like the great Randi can't seem to reach anyone but her "people" and then never hears back?

Something stinks about this. :mad:

[lthuedk]

72. Proprietary? Nonsense! File a lawsuit. Subpoena the machines under

seal. Then prosecute the bastards. You can't hide a crime behind copyright.

Its probably too late and the code is now lost, erased, destroyed.

[ParanoidPat]

125. "You can't hide a crime behind copyright".......

.......While that may be true, you still have to prove that a crime has been committed to place the machines under seal. That's what requesting 3000 sets of documents was all about. Attempting to get evidence of a crime involving the machines via a complete audit. :)

Unlawfully keeping the documents away from us is a crime but not one that would compel a court to seize the machines.

Just what legal justification would you plead to get the machines placed under seal might I ask? What solid proof would you go to court with and which court would you file in?

Bonus Question; How come you haven't done it already if you're so dissatisfied with what everyone else is doing? :shrug:

[Garbo 2004]

80. My question frm PR view, why wasn't Bev calling Randi to provide updates?

Not getting into the were messages lost or misdirected issue. But previously at least Randi's show was a supportive venue and helpful with fund raising. One would have thought that Harris would have been occasionally calling Randi's show to reach a large audience with updates to get the word out about developments, etc. The show is a fairly effective soapbox if the listenership is in the millions. Not just waiting for Randi's show to call. Especially if problems with receiving calls was a potential known issue (the CNN thing).

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[Garbo 2004]

158. Ah so Bev couldn't call Randi at all before or after Andy's on air call?

Did she try to call to provide updates and was rebuffed? Why did she say she was wondering what had happened when she didn't hear from Randi's show? Did she do more than wonder and try to get through to Randi/the show and forgot to mention it?

Please, we're talking an adult here who doesn't shy away from being in someone's face, not a shy teenager who's afraid of asking someone out on a date because they might be rebuffed.

If you want to get the word out you push it. If it's important enough, you pursue it: shmooze, cajol, suck up, kiss ass, whatever works to get the word out. You don't just drop that venue altogether and/or wait for a call. And since Randi has been talking about the recount, Ohio, Florida etc before and after Andy's call, Randi's "not talking about it" had a very limited lifespan.

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[Garbo 2004]

217. I think I do understand about the audits & that it's not a quick process.

But publicity (getting the word out about what BBV'ers are doing and its importance) and providing updates to maintain interest would help with donations (which I thought was still needed, if they're not that's great) and perhaps even garner more volunteers if those are needed as well.

Even if the work is a dull tedious slog, publicizing it keeps the issue if not on the hot front burner in some venues at least not completely out of sight and mind for those not already into the subject. BBV and election integrity is a subject that must eventually be pursued in a national forum. Congress would be nice. ;)

Right now those who dare suggest serious and potentially consequential "irregularities," not to mention potential fraud, frequently are lumped together with tinfoilers and alien abductees. Boring tedious audits with results that can be documented may not be exciting but there's a story to tell there too.

Even if there is no intentional fraud (let's just say for purposes of argument), I just don't trust the new machines based on the reports of problems not only in this election but also a prior election here in California when the new machines were used in some areas. After 2000 I got the heebie jeebies when I realized how many punch card votes went uncounted nationally. Pretty soon I'll be calling for stone tablets instead of paper ballots. LOL

[ParanoidPat]

220. I'll settle for 'small balls' or 'ballettes'.......

.......since they're the precursor of today's 'ballots'. :evilgrin:

Factoid: The first voting 'machine' was a device that you dropped your 'ballette' into and turned a valve that deposited your 'small ball' into the container of the candidate of your choice. :)

[SomthingsGotaGive]

218. The person that said they thought Andy pulled a stunt to get on air.....

Also thinks this might be a stunt to keep a member of BBV.org credible and build sympathy here at DU.

He also thinks anyone and anything that comes from BBV.org is super fishy.

I Don't think he has used this Andy fiasco as another chance to "pile on" Bev.

Rather he thinks this is another distraction to keep us away from the real fraud.

Black votes not counting.

:hi:

Maybe she answered your call because she recognized your number.

She was talking about not seeing Randi's area code on her phone.

also......

Andy said on DU tonight that he first heard of the firing from an activist pointing him to the bbv.org site.


This was after Randi's show.

Randi said she got a call from Andy saying he no longer worked for BBV.org or BEV.

Everyone involved in BBV.org is full of Shit. Period.

[ParanoidPat]

222. I know for a fact that someone here is being less than honest.......

.......since my phone number has been blocked from caller ID since they instituted that service. I have to dial, IIRC *83 just to get through to my own sister in NY who has blocking turned on.

There is no way Bev could have known I was the one calling her. :shrug:

[SomthingsGotaGive]

226. Sure !!!!!

Randi Rhodes is part of the VRWC aimed at discrediting Bev and BBV.org so that Bush can stay in office and further the American Imperialist agenda.

Either Randi, who helped raise big bucks for Bev is lying, or Bev who received all that money and now refuses to answer for ANY of it is lying.

How much?
Where is it being spent?

You are starting to look ridiculous.

[ParanoidPat]

231. Unh huh!

Yeah, whatever. :eyes:

[SomthingsGotaGive]

233. great come back !!1

Now try the one below.

[NuttyFluffers]

100. OK, I nominate you to be Bev's "agent"

if you can regularly get in contact with her then why don't you make weekly check-ups on her and report it throughout the blogosphere, AAR (and their blogs/websites), and on DU.

So by this friday (and each friday thereafter) can we expect a report of a phonecall with her, and what she's doing/been doing, from you? Then we can spam this info over the weekend and make sure *no disconnect* can happen.

up for the challenge, sounds like she needs help, and you can be the person she delegates this responsibility.

let's let the bickering and taking sides die, we don't have time for that now -- there's real deadlines coming up. we need solutions that work. so you say you have regular contact, good you'll work well -- we have expectations, need information = you are now the new "Goto Guy" for weekly reports on her.

there, done. in a few weeks everyone can be happy and all will look good. we are depending on you.

[Turn CO Blue]

123. I second NuttyFluffers' nomination. Tag, you are "it" Pat!

Requirement:
Weekly progress reports about Bev's operation and use of money. Due each Friday.

Actually, since time if of the essence here as we are heading into January 6, I'd say we need them more frequently than weekly.


Thanks for your attention to this matter.

P.S. When you get in touch with her, also ask her what she's found in Ohio (versus Florida), since that seems to be where the real hotbed is this time around.

[crispini]

150. I third.

Please take this on for us, Paranoid Pat. You'll be doing a great service. I look forward to your updates.

[ParanoidPat]

164. I'll gladly do whatever I can......

......NOT for Bev's sake, but for the sake of getting people to understand the bigger picture here. This 'infighting' is being set up as a distraction from what is really important to us all. That is, securing the peoples right to cast and count the vote.

Nothing short of absolute, 'hard evidence' that our elections officials can't be trusted will get enough attention to make a difference. Allegations and affidavits help build a case but 'hard evidence' clinches it and demands official action.

Bev and friends are gathering that factual, actionable proof and many good people are busy every day doing the analysis of it.

Watching people here try to destroy that effort just sucks. :(

I'll do what I can but please don't expect or ask for financial information from me. It's not your place to ask me nor mine to provide it. We're all too busy with our tasks at hand to stop for such a request. Besides, under their charter as a 501 (c)(3) "non profit" organization, they must make a full public accounting of their finances on schedule by law. I certainly can wait and I hope everyone else understands that they will have to wait as well.
It's just another bogus distraction that none of us need right now. :evilgrin:

[pbartch]

138. Randi pretty much pisses me off...........

I don't feel Bev was hiding info or being wierd on this call today. Randi sounded like she is PMS and her attitude turned me off. Sorry folks, I'm saying she sounded pretty unprofessional.

[zann725]

199. Actually Randi HAS been sick...female problems...

they want to do surgery. She was discussing it on the show. So I think that might've made her edgy-er than normal today. Let's cut her a little slack. (Though I do agree we should back off on Bev for a while too. Personalities aside, we really NEED to pull this together BEFORE Jan. 6; and for that we need ALL the info and sources we can get.)

[bunny planet]

145. Randi Rhodes works tirelessly for us. What's your problem?

She's from Brooklyn. Get used to it. We need people like her. She did let Bev talk, and Bev was being evasive and bizarre. Randi asked her questions that needed to be asked and she didn't answer them in any satisfactory way.

So you can get her on the phone. Great, so maybe you can tell us what the f**k's going on.

[nostamj]

151. i know

i had NO problem reaching her WHILE she was in FL...

and these people who think that donations are going into HER checkbook... morans! it's a non-profit with a board of directors.

[moesse]

223. But in fairness to RR, Bev was not clear in her terminology

never used the term proprietary and I'm sure if she had, that would have ended that go round of the time-wasting discussion.

[Brundle_Fly]

2. What is the IP??

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Internet Protocol

this is the adress that you are identified by. there are two types, the dynamic, changes the static... doesn't

[jhgatiss]

11. If its calling out to a company....

wouldn't you think that would be a static address in a block owned by someone?

[AntiFascist]

27. The obvious question is:

what is the IP address? It should be a simple matter to cross-reference it.

[libertypirate]

120. My Guess... Wouldn't matter

q:\> ping nowhere
Ping request could not find host nowhere. Please check the name and try again.

or most likely

q:\>ping nowhere

Pinging nowhere with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for nowhere:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),

q:\>


but I would love to trace it out and see if any ports reply :)

[merwin]

24. Not what is ip, what is THE ip

[ralps]

25. I don't think she gave Randi the IP address.

:hi:

[jhgatiss]

26. Please! You think we're going to find out!

We can't even see the Votergate tapes with the number discrepancies. I'm not holding my breath to hear specifics on this either.

[ParanoidPat]

205. Unless you're wearing a black robe.......

.......and are working in the right circuit court to make a difference what would you knowing the address, and who owns it, do to help?

It seems that quite a few people in Palm Beach County saw that tape courtesy of the local NBC affiliate. What good did it do in the affected jurisdiction? :shrug:

[jamboi]

206. Posted on another thread. n/t

[The Doctor.]

48. I'm not sure it would be such a good Idea for

EVERYBODY to know that address.

(Gir rocks)

[merwin]

56. Thanks :-)

Yes, Gir is my friend

[Fescue4u]

59. I disagree. EVERYBODY should know it

IP addresses are not trade secrets.

[The Doctor.]

111. I just worry about the yahoos who'll fly off the handle and

derail the efforts of others by engaging in illegal activities.

They could set us back.

[ParanoidPat]

136. Did it ever occur to you to sign up at BBV.org.......

.......and join the 'cleanup crew'? :shrug:

You never know, with thousands of documents to search, you just might be the one to find the next 'mystery' entry in the audit logs. :)

Besides, you don't go around warning the people you're investigating that you just found their number in the little black box.

Why would you put them on notice that they better clean up their act because we're looking at them? Not a good idea.

[keischin]

140. I haven't received my password yet, after registering!

What's up with that???

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[keischin]

149. Couple of hours ago n/t

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[mulethree]

146. 192.168.2.4 - its a local/private address

Message says her machine is a DHCP server and is sending a negative ACK to a client at that address. 192.168 addresses are for isolated networks, like a WAN link or LAN thats behind a router or on a commercial ISP network. So they are not unique, there are thousands of machines with that address and many will use it just temporarily like during a dial-up session.

I don't trust Windows to give decent error messages, a negative ack is an explicit message "I haven't recieved expected communications from you" So the DHCP server on the tabulator machine had a client connected at some point and no longer detects it. The client machine might be uniquely identified by the hardware address in the message.


From blackboxvoting.org

"
"it was 192.168.2.4"
In response to message #95

GEMS is said to be "not networked" and "stand alone" and "not connected to anything."
In one county, we were allowed to sit at the computer. The computer was physically disconnected from the digiboard, which was sitting on top of it. The Windows System Event log showed repeated errors saying it was trying to connect but the device wasn't connected. The only program loaded on the computer (except for basic Windows and simple accessories that come with Windows, like Notepad) was GEMS.

Now, I'm not sure whether this next message shows this particular computer calling out, or it is just a network problem -- except that these machines are also not supposed to be networked, and they are purchased as custom units directly from Diebold.

Here is one of many different kinds of messages:

FLAG-TRAIN The DHCP server issued a NACK to the client (0001A8C00100502C070C07) for the address (192.168.2.4) request.

We have several logs from several different counties, and all of the GEMS Windows event logs show various kinds of DHCP messages, and some warnings.

Bev

"

[keischin]

154. Sounds like an internal address.....

Linksys uses 192.168.*.* for its consumer routers.

[ParanoidPat]

178. Absolutely correct!

Thanks for the verification. :evilgrin: :toast:

[markus]

161. A few things about these errors

They would indicate to me that these machines were on a network at one time, probably when they were built.

It sounds as if this machine is or was a a network having problems with Microsoft DHCP (trying googling dhcp client nack and have a ball).

This would tell me 1) this machine was on a network when this occured and was 2)trying to act as a dhcp server, or as a dhcp client. In the latter case, it was seeing responsds from teh dhcp serer.

FLAG-TRAIN makes no sense to me FLAG TRAN (googled) comes up with references to hardware control. This starts to make more sense.

This just needs someone more qualified than I am (or with more free time than I have) to dig down and find out what's going on.

If they would just post some of the damn logs there'd only be a few thousand people who could identify what is going on here in a matter of minutes.

[althecat]

179. That is the local IP address no. as Mulethree says

[high density]

186. 192.168.2.4-- Why Bev, that's completely useless!

192.168.*.* is not routable through the internet because that block is reserved for private local area networks, as mentioned earlier in this thread. (By the way, 10.*.*.* and 172.16.*.* through 172.31.*.* are also private address blocks.)

Who gives a crap if the GEMS machine was acting as a DHCP server or client? That is not evidence of fraud.

About private IP addresses: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/cisco-networking-faq/section-24.html

[ParanoidPat]

201. Who said it was "evidence of fraud"?

I didn't hear that from Bev or anyone at BBV.org. Got a Link? :shrug:

[jamboi]

207. If she doesn't ask for analysis as you've provided, then we would never

know. I'm glad she asked.

[Razorback_Democrat]

240. Knowing nothing really, I typed the IP address into my browser and

got a netbotz address with "temperature warnings" above a certain temperature.

some kind of automated warning system for computers when temp gets above certain level?

or am I just so out of my league here that I don't know WTF I'm talking about?

[Brundle_Fly]

32. yeah I know what an IP is

I am asking WHAT IS THE IP, so I can do a trace route on it.

[ReneB]

52. this is strange.. because

well, not much infos given.. BUT, "calling out" sounds like "a modem calls another pc / server via telephoneline".. okay. incase it really tries to connect to a second pc / server there is no need of an IP adress. and even if they use the tcpip connection, it would be a local adress that could be 192.168.*.* for example. and this one would be useless, as its used 100000 times in local networks.

if the system tries to "call out" to an internet service provider (ISP) via a modem connection, and logins there, then it gets an ip adress and uses tcpip that could be tracked.

so, some more infos would be needed to find out whats going on with this "IP" adress.

[BrklynLiberal]

3. Doesn't Bev sound a bit evasive?

[ohio_liberal]

5. Yes, very n/t

[Must_B_Free]

86. She sensed she was being put on the spot

Randi was out of line, and the way she couched it was like "You won't hear this on another show" - yeah because no other show would be that unprofessional as to try to ambush someone live.

Dirty laundry is aired in the back room, not the parlor.

Randi engaged Bev in a dispute about source code, a dispute based on Randis lack of understanding. Bev had the leaked source, but not the actual code that ran on the voting machines, just a prior version.

What needs explaining is why is Bev only on FL when the real stuff is in Ohio. Is Bev a deep cover Op whose job it is to lead us in unfruitful directions?

Is Symbolman a deep cover Op whose job it is to lead us away from Bev? He ragged on Bevs efforts and what is he producing? Cartoons of Schwartzenegger with jumping eyebrows? Is he just jealous of Bev because his 15 minutes are over? (apparently hers are too)

And who is Bradblog? What to make of Clinton Curtis and Masden? What is really real here? (my hunch)

Is there any real disinformation or are these bigheaded activists who just don't get along.

Is it any wonder Kerry didn't want to get into the mud fight with these people?

[HEAVYHEART]

130. ..

"Is Bev a deep cover Op whose job it is to lead us in unfruitful directions?"


Hmmmm..

[jamboi]

209. Puuhleeese! n/t

[symbolman]

137. Deep Cover OP?

ME?

That is absolutley hilarious.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH WORK I HAVE DONE AGAINST THE BUSH ADMIN.

HOW DARE you talk about ME that way.

We made a MOVIE about Electronic Voting with OUR OWN MONEY and are selling it to try and make expenses back..

YOU want to CENSOR anyone that ISN'T BEV?

You don't like one of the ten animations I worked 14 hours a DAY at for our own film, I got no problem with that..

But to call ME an OP is COMPLETE Paranoia.

Get a GRIP..

Or.. wouldn't I say that if I was?

Muhhahahahhahaha insert evil music here..

Randi was one of the first people we pushed on our website when it started and we got 100 million hits the first year - she loves us.

Sounds like she's getting tired of nothing but grandstanding.

[KittyWampus]

148. God, What A Soap Opera!

[bunny planet]

159. Randi was way out of line! Just how do you think Randi Rhodes got to be

No#1 in her local market for 9 years in Palm Beach, and now has the No# afternoon drive slot (the most coveted slot in radio other than the other most coveted slot, morning drive) on national AAR in the No#1 radio market in the country? She has driven the ratings on this station. She's the anchor in the lineup. Did she get there by being sweet. No she got there because she is confrontational, abrasive, smart, funny, informed, and passionate. She always does this. It's Brooklyn style and I love her for it. She is not good with interviews, although she can be sometimes. She's a neurotic NY broad with a good heart and a big mouth.
Brooklyn rocks.

[jamboi]

210. I just think that she should have handled it off air. n/t

[SomthingsGotaGive]

221. And then issue a statement like DU did?

And get accused of not letting Bev defend herself?

Randi asked her listeners to dig deep for Bev.

Reading Randi's forum it looks like her listeners were asking her to dig deep for them and get answers from Bev.

Bravo.

[bunny planet]

243. She doesn't do that. Sometimes I think she should too, but in this case

I think she wanted to make it clear to others listening, who had donated money to Bev because Randi asked them to, that Bev was disappointing her and that maybe our time and efforts needed to go elsewhere.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. And Randi is right

she needs to go to the Congress... she needs to work within the channels...

[LSparkle]

6. Absolutely

If Bev REALLY wants to investigate this, why is she so insistent on seemingly doing it all by herself? Doesn't sound right.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. She wants to be the hero

these things are done by all of us together... ALL OF US... she does not get it

[proudtobeadem]

20. Your right she's got some kind of hero complex

or a personality problem

[eowyn_of_rohan]

85. Maybe she is being poisoned like Yushchenko :( -nt

[BlueOhio]

118. thats cool

as long as she gets the job done

if she can prove fraud she will be my hero.

[KerryReallyWon]

13. BEV BY HERSELF TO MAKE MOVIE AND BE RICH, HER PRIORITY

[MarkusQ]

30. Bev should learn from Linus Torvalds; give it all away & win (n/t)

[ParanoidPat]

119. She already did.......

.......she gave away the book. :evilgrin: She's NOT making a movie.

:kick:BLACK BOX VOTING - Ballot Tampering in the 21st Century:kick:

Chapter 1
Chapter 2
Chapter 3
Chapter 4
Chapter 5
Chapter 6
Chapter 7
Chapter 8
Chapter 9*
Chapter 10
Chapter 11
Chapter 12
Chapter 13*
Chapter 14
Chapter 15
Chapter 16
Appendix
Footnotes
Index

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[symbolman]

142. Oh yeah

the book the DU wrote - she edited it and is selling it as well.

I know she's not making the movie, I talked with the producer of Votergate - so yeah, that's true.

But she is still grandstanding for the film.

Time for you to launch a personal attack against me since of course you really never have anything else.

Once again, Are YOU ANDY? Yes or No.

[ParanoidPat]

Absolutely, positively, not!

Do I need to post a picture? :shrug:

Better yet, since you still post spurious allegations about people perhaps I'll ask the Admins to verify that my IP Address is indeed in California and have them ask that you stop posting lies. :)

[symbolman]

157. What lie?

I asked you a simple question :)

Amazing, of course since I am a public figure you feel free to say anything you want - when I disprove it, you move on to then get me to spend all my time trying to find the posts that prove some silly point about BBV that everyone already knows and has been posted a million times...

straw men, red herrings, etc - you have a full medicine cabinet, don't you?

Spurious? I SAID that *I* talked at length (almost two hours) to the PRODUCER OF VOTEGATE and he told ME that SHE was not making a movie.

My opinion that she is grandstanding is not only accurate by all accounts but is becoming painfully obvious even to Randi..

so what's your beef, cutie?

[ParanoidPat]

185. Cutie?

:loveya: My WIFE got a real kick out of that! Does your wife know? :evilgrin:

Mike, sorry if you feel burned over your dealings with Bev but the truth is that my friends and I have supported the BBV.org efforts out here in California at a cost far exceeding what you claim your 'for profit' documentary suffered, and as a result of the action that BBV.org got, we feel that getting the Diebold TSx machines decertified and a "conditional" re-certification of other Diebold touch screens dependant upon offering paper ballots to all who requested them in lieu of using a DRE something of a success. Well worth the cost. :)

I did a quick analysis of a number of stories by BBV.org and looked for evidence of how Bev Harris was making this all about her. Other than finding that she's a 'grandmotherly figure from Seattle', a point I would definitely dispute, I find little evidence that she's trying to make this all about her.

Be a dear and show us how she's "grandstanding" would ya? :shrug:

[ParanoidPat]

208. Helllllllooooo, Mike? you there?

Got Proof? :shrug:

I thought not! :evilgrin:

[MarkusQ]

170. Where's the video of the poll tapes being trashed? (n/t)

[ParanoidPat]

224. Contact.......

.......www.votergate.tv :evilgrin:

It's their footage, I suggest you do like Symbolman and contact them directly and let them tell you to pound salt! :)

Neither Bev nor BBV.org can give you what's not theirs.

Why is that so hard for you to grasp? :shrug:

[jamboi]

106. I don't think its fair to cast aspertions. Innocent until proven guilty.nt

[ParanoidPat]

127. Uh huh.......

.......and you can prove this how? :shrug:

Of course you can't because it's just a smear. :evilgrin:

Welcome to DU! You'll certainly fit right in here. :)

[ohio_liberal]

36. Thank you.

This is a good question.

[ParanoidPat]

234. Have you even checked out the BBV.org forums?

:shrug: Read some of the stuff at this link and then tell us all she's "doing it all by herself". Please! :eyes:

[JBear]

15. If you believe the channels....

are flawed, how can you trust to work within them?

I am not sure why Bev was evasive (I wish I had heard it!), but I do know that she believes that there are elements out there who will stop at nothing to derail these investigations. Maybe she is holding her cards close until she has a clear shot at taking all of the rest of the tricks (obvious bridge allusion intended).

Ladies - Breast your cards. A peak is worth a thousand finesses.

J.

[BrklynLiberal]

9. Think Bev is a control freak and does not like having to share credit with

others? I hope that is not the story.....

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. yes that is exactly what it is

[TexasChick]

34. How sad...because on something this big, I would definitely want some

major help from all of the people and some bigwigs.

[ParanoidPat]

203. Funny, Bev asked the Democratic party to intercede.......

.......on behalf of John Kerry (Who interestingly enough had the standing to do so in Florida!) to go to court to compel release of FOIA requested documents before the time ran out to contest the election results there.

They did nothing. Perhaps you should direct your anger at them and ask why, after all the promises that they made that "every vote would be counted", they reneged on that promise?

[TexasChick]

235. ParanoidPat, uh, excuse me there, sweets. I am not angry. I was just

merely commenting that if this is true, it's sad. Perhaps you should learn to read before spewing out to people that they are angry just for making comments? This comment was not anger and wasn't even really pure truth. It was said out of pure speculation and just rendered a sincere comment to the point if this was indeed true about Bev, than it is sad! Doh!!!

[momzno1]

71. Nobody can say that they really KNOW why Bev

is the way she is. I can tell you this, when I heard this interview it was clear to me that Randi and Bev would clash because Randi is VERY inflammatory. She would piss me off the way she talks to people. Bev disagreed with Randi saying that she had not received calls, and Randi went ballistic. Well sorry Randi, but Bev called you off the cuff - not as a planned interview, and you get what you get! I don't want to throw Bev out just because of this either.
She has her pluses, and I would like to not completely discredit her for her personality until we have INFORMATION that clearly shows her to be duplicitous (sp?)

[moesse]

227. But it's not just with Randi that Bev's been "unavailable"

KO, the Conyer's hearings yesturday. Sorry, but this is WAAAAYYYYYY tooo important for grandstanding and if Bev is a capable executive she'll act in a professional manner, clarify her verbage (i.e. the use of term proprietary IMMEDIATELY in the source code discussion), explain that she's screening her calls which is why she's not answering it all the time, and share the friggin' information in missives on a daily basis with those of us who've donated, those of us (Randi and Conyers and Arnebeck) who are moving things forward as multipliers of the message.

Her go it alone approach is not professional and she needs to delegate the message sending (again DAILY updates!) to someone...

jmho

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[Kelvin Mace]

241. I have "interacted" with Bev

I know her and Andy, who she just treacherously knifed in the back and used as a scapegoat.

I have done a hell of a lot to "secure our elections" and have done more in the last six months than Bev has by a long shot.

And I will say here and now that Bev is a petty, vindictive, and spiteful prima donna who will do anything to anybody in order to keep her name in the press.

This stopped being about BBV and started being The Bev Harris Show a LONG time ago.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[jamboi]

88. Well its possible, but isn't it best for everyone to try to do whatever we

can to help the situation and not further isolate her? I think under the incredibly pressure-filled circumstances it might be bringing out the dark side and she may not really be her self right now. Given the situation how can we help build bridges.

[pbartch]

110. you hit the nail on the head!!!

The work she is doing is fantastic....and she's going it alone more or less. She and her team have been doing the work of 12 people!

[BrklynLiberal]

12. Something is very wrong with Bev....uh-oh

She definitley sounded confused, evasive, non-commital...very, very evasive. Like she was lying about something.
I am wondering why she called Randi.

[LSparkle]

18. Yeah, she sounded like she wasn't being completely candid

Can the pods have gotten to Bev?

[BrklynLiberal]

22. That whole conversation was VERY weird!!!!!!

[hlthe2b]

43. Her response when Randi brought up Andy was extremely disturbing...

Something is going on there... Anyone know if Andy is still working with her?

[ParanoidPat]

200. Hi Brooklyn.......

.......former Queens resident here. :evilgrin:

I called Bev after hearing what Randi said. I used the number BBV.org had published as a "Media Contact" number on the BBV.org web site. Bev answered right away, as always. :)

I just wonder why the Great Randi Rhodes couldn't get through to that number? :shrug:

Randi said Bev wasn't returning calls, I let Bev know she had said it and Bev called her. Does that answer your question? :shrug:

[OKNancy]

14. Randi is ripping Bev

on her lack of professionalism, her lack of responding. Bev making excuses. Bev doesn't answer messages, or her e-mail says Randi.
Tells Bev, if she has something get in touch with Conyers.

[symbolman]

139. Conyers will not touch Bev Harris

We know a lobbyist who knows everyone in DC and guess what folks?

Bev Harris is a laughingstock there.

Why?

Because she produces nothing - the work she created with her book was written by the DU - but she gets the money.

She can't have ONE CELLPHONE Dedicated to only Media? That's how it works.

I will say this. I talked at length to the producer of Votergate (the real one, not the other one) and he told me that she is NOT making a movie - HE IS.

and I believe him.

However, I personally think she is creating grandstanding and "movie moments" so that she can get the movie to sell.

Not his fault.

We even offered to have the guy send us a trailer so that we could put it at the end of our DVD and HELP TO SELL HIS FILM.

(But of course, someone upthread accused me of being an Undercover OP to LURE people away from Bev with a film already being sold)

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[RFSea]

17. Evasive isn't Straight

"I just wish I could get a straight answer..."

That about sums it up

I wouldn't trust B Harris with a guest password

Oh, and furthermore, if she cannot take one Public Ip address and track it down to the registered owner, with commonly available Network tools, then woe is her.

If she has event logs from NT systems, and has that same IP address in thos elogs as an application or system event, then more obvious analysis would be required to figure out if it was "normal" for all systems, or any systems services to have contacted that particluar IP address, again easy for anyone with good NT experience (I have > 10 yesrs with it, since ver 3.51 original Lan Man)

Anyway, FWIW, she is sitting in the red on my "credible" metre

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[haifagirl1]

19. she's whack!!!!!!!!!!!1

[proudtobeadem]

21. THIS AIN'T ABOUT YOU BEV!!

This is about saving OUR democracy TOGETHER!

[BrklynLiberal]

23. You think it all went to her head?????? n/t

[TrustingDog]

40. fair weather friends?

what if...

she or her family got threatened - that would addle anyone and you sure the hell know that is the Rovian way for any 'obstacles'.

what if she's just plain damned tired and on top of that her own are going against her?

I'm standing by her thick or thin in whatever small way I have - she was the one that opened up e-voting fraud questions in a way no one has before.

go team. yah. :(

and Randi's got a big screetching mouth - she may say a lot of good stuff but her yelling and interrupting turns me so right off I haven't tuned into AAR for weeks now. then, on the opposite, There's Al - the guy you want to fill in words for cuz he's so damned slow talkin'.

[uncle ray]

219. that's an easy one

on live radio say "my family was threatened, this is why"

anything suspicous happens, lose a family member, regain democracy. i'll take the bullet myself for the chance to speak the truth.

[proudtobeadem]

28. Unbelievable!! what are we jinxed or what????

I'm seriously getting pissed!!!
First, we get these Di**wads cheating in the election with every which way known to man or machine.
Then, we pick a candidate that so far has done little to back us.
Everyone wakes up to file stuff and have hearings when it's too late.
And now Miss I want to do it all by myself, who happens to be the
only one with solid evidence is playing games!!!
AAAARRRRGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Edit: OK now I feel a LITTLE better, sorry about the rant.

[Zan_of_Texas]

35. She is NOT the only one with solid evidence.

Do not despair. Ohio is a viper's nest of evidence, waiting to be untangled and exposed.

[proudtobeadem]

39. God I hope so, I'm really losing my patience with wthis

[caligirl]

29. Some just can't play well with others. Is that Harris's problem?n/t

[shraby]

132. There are also some on this site who can't

play well with others.
I stand by Bev. She's getting her a** out there and doing. It has to be exhausting work. How can she let us know everything that is going on? There are people watching these posts all the time to gather information and create dissention and suspicion.
Knock off the disparaging remarks and email her and see if there is anything you can do.

[ParanoidPat]

225. Her phone number is published right on the front page.......

......at www.blackboxvoting.org how hard can it be to dial it? :shrug:

Hell, even I can do it! :evilgrin:

[Fescue4u]

31. And the IP address IS?????

Geez. Its pretty damn trivial to determine the owner of an address.

My 9 year can do it (no exaggeration)

I thought she had expert help.

[genieroze]

33. WTF?

Do a backtrace sheesh.

[complain jane]

45. But aren't there ways to "mask" an IP?

I don't know much about this, I can look up an IP and that's about it. I was getting fraudulent emails from some asshole who wanted my bank info, long story short, I looked up the IP, and everyone told me that was a joke not to bother, IP addresses are very easy to "mask".

However obviously I think we should all be let in on what the IP was anyway at the very friggen least.

[Fescue4u]

60. yes and no.

It depends on what is being done.

However an outbound connection to an IP address is not going to be masked.

Generally, when talking about forged address, its INCOMING and the source is forged, or has been redirected through an intermediary.

I take this whole discussion with a 50ft grain of salt. Its pretty obvious that she is missing a clue and has no knowledge of networking.

WIthout getting into specifics, there are many valid reasons why an outbound "connection" may appear to have been attempted. (plenty of bad reason to, but SOME evidence is required to make a conclusion)

[troubleinwinter]

38. I have done it MYSELF. Ummm... duhhhh...!

I am no computer expert. This BS just makes her appear to me to be a liar. Pure & simple.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

37. A caution about the IP addresses:

Windows are known to "dial out" a shitload, for just about anything under the sun. This is not indicative of much, until the IP address(es) are shared and investigated.

Checking out the IP addresses is trivial.

[hlthe2b]

64. I thought that too... I think Bev is in way over her head.....

It is hard to judge the relevence of highly technical issues, without having the background....

I'm convinced Bev is probably ADD and having trouble following though on detail, while also being unwilling/unable to delegate. She may also be somewhat depressive. So, this is a dangerous combination and while I'm concerned for the cause, I'm also concerned about her personally. I hope she still has some concerned true personal friends in her circle.

[trudyco]

67. Except this machine was NOT supposed to have networking

It was not supposed to be configured to network out at all. So it shouldn't be dialing out for anything.

FWIW,
trudyco

[Fescue4u]

194. Its not a given that its "dialing out"

Its not unusual for ip to be used to communicate amongst systems on one box.

Especially if those multiple systems can be put onto multiple boxes to facilitate scaling.

Essentially, it could be the "right hand" talking to the "left hand" of the box.

Of course in the absence of facts, its impossible to say for sure what is happening. Either way more info needs to be gathered.

[ParanoidPat]

214. Gee, another "uneducated guess".......

.......try stopping by the BBV.org site to get the facts instead of guessing. :evilgrin:

[proudtobeadem]

41. If Bev can't lead she should step aside and let some one else lead!

Maybe she's now in over her head.

[ParanoidPat]

187. Hey! Jump right in.......

.......no one's stopping you! Get out there and file the paperwork, acquire the data and analyze it!

Go for it! I just can't wait! I know you'll do better than she can!

What!!! you say Bev is stopping you??? How so? :evilgrin:

Bev is no different than you or I. She just got off her ass and DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

Who is anyone here to question what she did if they didn't do it themselves? :shrug:

[OKthatsIT]

42. Randi,"I cant afford you"...thats how she put it to Nader, last spring

And that's precisely what Randi was saying to Bev....same tone, same logic

[americanstranger]

49. Randi raised 50K for Bev.

She has a right to ask where that money went - and this is not the first time Bev evaded answering the question.

I know Randi. I'll trust her word over Bev's any day of the week.

-as

[OKthatsIT]

55. Oh, dont get wrong..

I agreed with her then, as well.

[jamboi]

57. Rhodes said she didn't know how much money had been raised. n/t

[bunny planet]

168. Absolutely.

[Garbo 2004]

169. I must have missed it, where did the $50K figure come from?

Source? Not picking, genuinely asking. Today I heard Randi say "I gave 50" I took that to mean as a personal donation of $50, which isn't what you're talking about.

[proudtobeadem]

46. Maybe her messaging service is being intercepted

by the other side. (Sorry about the Caps) -I want someone to see this.
I just thought of this, I mean websites are being attacked, curtis's dog killed, and that lady being driven off the road.

I just read the first post and now I don't know, because Paranoid Pat got in touch with her.
Maybe the messages are being intercepted intermittently to discredit her. I mean look at what happened with Keith O.

[jamboi]

47. Maybe Harris is getting attacked? n/t

[proudtobeadem]

50. Do you mean

threatened, or her voice mail attacked?

[jamboi]

51. It crosses my mind that it is quite possible. With the other things going

on its enough to make ANYONE paranoid. And there seems to be reason to fear the opposition. Harris is very isolated right now which is not good for us or for her.

[proudtobeadem]

53. That

is all the more reason to go to conyers,etc...give them what she has -maybe without publicity, and ask them for protection.

[jamboi]

54. I agree. n/t

[proudtobeadem]

58. Who here at DU keeps in touch with her?

They should get in touch with her and tell her this. Or maybe we can talk to Conyers, Arnebeck,etc...and tell him about this and ask how we can help her/what we can do?

[jamboi]

73. Good point. I wonder if there's someone here who is in good relations

with her. There's been so much controversy and I know Harris has pissed off a bunch of people, but hopefully there are still some bridges left where we can help her.

[proudtobeadem]

81. Maybe someone can start a thread

saying "Someone please get in touch with Bev to see if she needs help etc... I mean we really need to stick together here -all of us
or we're screwed. We are being attacked and we have to start acting like it dammit. I would start the thread, but I have never spoken to her or anyone @ BBV and I just went off on her before so i don't think it would be such a good idea.

[Must_B_Free]

90. She replied to me the other day.

Maybe some unmerry pranksters have her cell number and just call in and erase her messages. That would seem to explain everything without making anyone into a bad guy.

Oh yeah and I was the FIRST person to be suspicious of Bev back when she appeared on the scene and started directing people, but my reservations were satisfied and I feel that she has made accomplishments that demonstrate her intentions and credibility.

[NuttyFluffers]

112. That was my first suspicion too. By the way, you're nominated.

So now Must_B_Free and ParanoidPat, you are both responsible for providing a weekly friday report on Bev's struggles and how we can help *this process*. Nothing big or special, but get in contact with her and regularly spam the information on left-wing sites/forums/blogs/radio shows.

that said, that was my first suspicion. i have heard countless times of people learning the code of someone's answering machine/phone/whatever be it LANDLINE or CELL PHONE accessing it and deleting messages. it's a classic tactic from jealous lovers or vindictive enemies. what's the answer? change the password, form a ROUTINE CHECKING-UP phone call.

and why is this answer particularly important? because Bev's life could be in danger if she's being purposefully isolated. she needs to be in regular contact and those who can do so must start forming such a routine. it really can mean her personal safety now. this process of friends keeping tabs is now a 'safety network' from malicious influences.

[RubyCat]

181. I wouldn't be surprised if this was going on. They're probably

listening in on her phone calls too, given how many tips people must call in to her. The vote riggers have to know when someone is on their trail so that they can cover their footprints before Bev arrives on the scene.

[NuttyFluffers]

i already nominated ParanoidPat

if anyone else with good relations wants to do it as well, i encourage you. i expect weekly reports on Bev's efforts each friday and at least 1-2 things we people can do to assist this process (not just her... *this process*). the info should be spammed upon all the left wing blogs, forums, and AAR blogs/forums/radioshows each and every friday from now on.

there, issue solved. people have real responsibilities now. i expect real results by this friday, and so should you. now go tell a friend.

[AntiFascist]

65. Please keep in mind.....

the left-wing media and people like Keith Olbermann may be concerned about job security....in other words, keeping Bush in office is great for their long-term prospects.

[proudtobeadem]

84. Actually, it's probably not up to him

who he can have on the show, so yes, maybe it's not her fault. I don't know about that and I don't care about he said she said, -I care about results. I care that we should all be working together like an invincible force to be reckoned with! It can be that way if we just get it together!!!

[Scout1071]

62. Yea, but if someone just gave me $50K.......

I'd be checking back in with THEM. Randi shouldn't even have to call Bev......Bev should be calling Randi with updates. Period.

I missed the show....was the Andy question ever answered?

[jamboi]

70. Yes, she needs admin help for sure. No the Andy question wasn't

really answered. Rhodes said she talked to Andy and he said he wasn't working with her any more and Harris basically responded with suprise and indicated it was news to her. That was about as much as we got.

[Pachamama]

184. She doesn't know whether the person she has been working closest with is

working with her or not??? :eyes:

Please people - lets get serious for a minute here...that was a fair and basic question that Randi asked her - Yes or No...Bev didn't answer it...in fact, there was a long pause and she then started talking about him being on leave due to a death in the family....That wasn't a difficult question...Randi asked her again...still no answer...then Randi told her that she was talking to Andy even on the day he went to the funeral and he was still working...So Randi asked her again...still no answer, but this time Bev starts saying how its news to her that Andy isn't working with her...

So Bev - is he (Andy) working with you or not? :eyes:

The whole interview in my opinion went like this...no answers, non-answers, humming & hawing, excuses, evasion, nonsensical answers...

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[ParanoidPat]

230. There's that 50K figure again.......

.......can you please provide a link to where you got that figure? :shrug:

[Solitaire]

74. help please?

I've been out of town for over one week. Can someone please tell me, what happened with:

curtis's dog killed? lady being driven off the road? and what happnened to Keith O?

Thanks.

[demobabe]

155. quick answers

1. clinton curtis's dog was killed after he wrote his affidavit. he filed a police report.

2. katrina (forget her last name) who testified yesterday re: arnebeck's suit at the conyers hearing in columbus says she was run off the road by some big SUV vehicles with tinted windows. there was something on dKos about it - i think it is one of today's recommended diaries.

3. keith o publicly invited bev on his show, but called her out on his blog. bev demanded a retraction, called his staff, apparently threatened them legally and was abusive towards his staff. next day, keith o retracted his invite for the show. bev says she did not threaten them legally, only said she was going to contact her lawyer (ie, same thing).

[Pachamama]

188. Yeah, and today on Randi's show, Bev claims she never spoke with any of

Olbermann's staff? So which is it Bev? Did you ever talk to the people on KO's staff (whether you threatened them or were verbally abusive or not)? Which is it?

Sorry folks...this woman is not what we all had hoped...I supported her and sent her money initially...only $25, and so be it...but I think she is the wrong person for the right job at the right time...

She might have gone in with the best of intentions, but she is out of her league...She has mismanaged and made so many mistakes in this "project" I don't know where to begin....And this in no way means to minimize the cause...But I for one am thankful that she is exposing herself now and not when things could have been more critical or depending on her.

And to all you who are nervous that without Bev that this cause is a lost one....come on, get real - you really think Bev was the only one capable of doing this work? Gimme a break...she can't even figure out how to manage the press (ie. Olbermann and Randi) when she "supposedly" has a PR background and she can't figure out how to make regular calls in (even in private) to her biggest financial booster/supporter Randi? And in terms of her having been on the hot seat with Randi, well, she called in, and frankly Randi asked her very fair questions and it wasn't until Bev was being evasive and giving non-answers that Randi got irritable and tough on her. Meanwhile, everyone here defending Bev seems to think that she is the only one to save us and that somehow without her the cause is lost, yet if she can't even seem to solve her answering machine/caller id/messaging center situation or doesn't know how to even explain to Randi what Source code is exactly or she doesn't know how to show up for a meeting that has been publicly announced (shit any of us could have done a google or called Conyers office for god sake), then how is she going to "find the holy grail"?

:eyes:

[n69n]

193. i'd give you a 4.

if this messagebooard had a ratings system, i'd give you a 4.

on target!

[Pachamama]

197. Not a 10?

On a scale of 1-10, a 4 isn't so good...

[n69n]

198. from 0-4!

i was schooled @ dkos, our ratings only went from 0-4!

[momzno1]

101. Didn't the woman in Ohio say her cell phone wasn't working all the time?

occasional intercepts?

[propagandafreegal]

61. Bev is unorganized and running around in circles. nm

[jamboi]

75. Looks that way. Looks like we'll do everyone a favor if we can reach out

yet again to her.

[dweller]

115. if i were her, and this place reached out

after the last assasination, i wouldn't be reaching back.

but that's jus me...
dp

[ParanoidPat]

129. "Propaganda free"?

LOL! So, tell us all about how you know Bev so intimately that you know how organized she is and what she's up to?

I can't wait for this one! :evilgrin:

[propagandafreegal]

162. Just giving my opinion having heard the interview...That's all........ nm

[ParanoidPat]

213. Well you know what opinions are like! n/t

:evilgrin:

[propagandafreegal]

239. I'm not the ONLY person to have bad vibes about Bev after listening to

that Randi interview yesterday. I donated money to Bev and I didn't like what I heard. Too bad you can't understand that.

[Malva Zebrina]

63. I feel sorry for Randi

she was taken, but, to her credit, refuses to be a victim. Stuff like this about BH has been going on for a long time on certain internet talk forums. For years already.

There was outrage at the BH tactics long before Randi got involved, and I was sorry to see her get caught up in it, but resisted e-mailing Randi with all the past accusations, believing that she would come to the light by herself, because she is very smart. And she did.

I feel sorry also for all those who bought it and gave their hard earned money to a clown, vaudeville show even though they were adamant in their attacks on those who knew of BH's previous reputation.

And it is time that people who contributed their hard earned money to her failed and publicity seeking cause demand to see where their money has gone.

Randi Rhodes was not the only one who was "taken"

You who vehemently supported her, need to know where your money has gone.

[americanstranger]

68. I can't tell you how many times

I started to write an email to Randi, just trying to warn her off dealing with Bev. I'd get halfway through it and just give up on it. Basically, you just can't tell anyone something they don't want to hear - and in the case of Bev Harris, I saw many times that people don't believe the bad news until they feel it first-hand.

Well, now she's hip to the fact. I feel bad for her, too.

-as

[jamboi]

76. Given the problems is there a constructive way we can do something

positive here? Suggestions por favor.

[WyLoochka]

244. Here's a suggestion

Everyone dedicated to achieving the goal of transparent, fraud free elections - run away from Bev Harris as fast as you can.

She nuked herself - all by herself. We need to move on WITHOUT Bev's name linked to any of anyone else's work.

[symbolman]

152. You might want to tell

Randi that I would LOVE to come on her show and talk about our movie "Electile Dysfunction" - how we spent the last year making it with our OWN money, all the travel, interesting interviews, footage of lawyers hassling voters in line in Florida, the former Dem Gov of Alabama having 6500 votes moved in the middle of the night into the other column ELECTRONICALLY behind closed doors with NO poll workers or Media there..

he went to bed thinking he was Gov and woke up to find out he wasn't - and it was the TEMPLATE for their theft, a practice run..

Takebackthemedia.com has PLENTY to say about this issue.

Now a Premium at Buzzflash - watch the animations and the film excerpts and trailers there.

:)

[Garbo 2004]

167. I don't understand, can't you contact the show yourself?

Or have you done so and not gotten a response? Reason I ask is a link to your film at Buzzflash is featured on Randi's home page: http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/main.html

[symbolman]

183. Heh heh

that was a friendly jab at American Stranger, who is one of the Takebackthemedia.com folks and knows Randi personally..

Stranger? You get that, ha ha ha!

I saw the link, thanks!

And thanks to Randi as well..

[Old Mouse]

69. this is a very different story

than the other thread about this show on DU
Do we have agitators?

[jamboi]

77. I looked at the other thread and I'm not sure what you mean. plz explain

Thanks.

[jamboi]

79. I'm trying to keep it on a positive, constructive level & avoid

any character assasination especially when Harris is so vulnerable right now.

[Old Mouse]

82. The general tone there

is that Randi called Bev out over embezzlemnt... that anyone who donated threw away their money.

It seems a few people keep swaying all comments to Randi yelling at Bev. My impression was he relationship was over, with Randi cutting her off as badly as Bloggerman did.

If you did not listen at all, and were relying on these threads for all of your information, you would be very confused.

[jamboi]

95. No I was listening, though I did use some of the quotes from the other

thread. Rhodes *was* tough on her. And she was abrupt at the end, and cut her line at the end, though I'm not sure if she actually hung up on her or just through a switch to not take her input. And even much tougher on her after Harris was off the phone. I think I put that across. I don't think it was clear whether that was the end of the relationship. Rhodes talked about continuing to find out what was going on and she did sort of joke about maybe Harris suing her for defamation. I'd say that maybe they'll be able to talk it through, and its too early to just write it off. But its definitely a crisis point in the relationship.

[Old Mouse]

109. Thanks! n/t

[fiddlestix]

242. The problem with BBV...

Is Ohio!

I am an AAR listener & when Randi asked listeners to give money to BBV, I did. It was not easy accessing her site, due to sheer numbers of Randi listeners all trying to access the site at the same time...I remember I had to wait a few hours before finally getting through...

At the same time, I donated to the Ohio recount cause...I remember watching the thermometer thingie rise & rise on their site as the donations rolled in & I was thrilled to be part of the effort.

So, here we are, weeks later. Look how far the Ohio groups have come, the hearings in Washington, in Ohio, the petitions, the lawsuit...and write-ups in NYT & WaPo! So much effort has been put into the Ohio election fraud issue, alot of hard work!

And where is BBV? What's going on? They've had the same amount of time as Ohio, right? I know things take time, but come on!

I heard Bev on Randi's show, last night & the guy that came on afterwards....and I got that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach...

And Randi's site has been down for awhile & that sucks, too...

Ohio is making Bev look like a slacker, you know?

[4democracy]

78. I think burying the hatchet is a good idea, without Bev Harris

most of this investigation would not be going on, even the lawsuit Arnebeck filed mentions her proving how easily votes could be moved from one candidate to the other. She was talking about black box voting way before it became common knowledge. I think we should give her a break. I know I would probably be crazy from all this pressure,too

[Malva Zebrina]

83. other people would say that she stole everything she has perpetrated

on BBV, from their own hard work and never gave them credit.

Some say she has claimed that she had thousands of investigators working to give her information. That is true--they were DU'er's.

Come on--look up the background here .

And after that, ask where your money has gone.

[4democracy]

87. Didn't she start BBV? and didn't all the DUers volunteer to help

gather information? I stand by my earlier statement. I am not going to turn on someone that has worked hard just to expose the dangers of trusting our democracy to a machine.

[jamboi]

91. I don't see that there's been much to steal given the cost of operations.

But if she's done something ontoward it will surface. However for now how can we improve this difficult situation instead of making it worse?

[ParanoidPat]

236. "and never gave them credit"? Says who?

Have you read the page of acknowledgments in the BBV book where Bev says,

"Wow. This book was a long, hard, scary piece of work. I could not have created a body of work like this without help, and it is not possible to list you all in the space provided. Thanks to Lynn Landes, and Linda Franz, and Rebecca Mercuri. To Richard Harris, who offered valuable councel in so many ways. And to the Colliers, all of 'em, and Ronnie Dugger, and Peter Neumann, and Doug Jones, the pioneering voices of concern. To David Allen, who said of the private corporations that were throwing their weight around, "I've always wanted to be on an 'Enemies List'. And to Lex Alexander, a voice of encouragement when David Allen and I were shouting at one another. "It's understandable that you're feeling a little tense," said Lex. "We're just expecting you to save American democracy." To Roxanne Jekot, who spent hundreds of hours discussing documents and findings, and was a dear friend. And to DemocraticUnderground.com, perhaps my greatest source of inspiration and courage during the investigation and research phase. To Daniel Hopsticker, and Dan Spillane and Jim Condit, and Brent Beleskey, and Mark Crispin Miller. To David Dill and Kim Alexander, and Greg Dinger and Denis Wright, and ParanoidPat, who never fails to make me laugh. To Alastair Thompson, and Skinner, and Jeff Matson and gristy and punpirate. To Al Marzian and coalminer's daughter, bpilgrim, and Faun Otter and Marian Beddill, and that quiet force in the background, Jack Maples. To pioneering Susan Marie Weber, and two of the gutsiest guys I know, Charley Matulka and Rob Behler. To Dan Wallach, Avi Rubin, Yoshi Kohno and Adam Stubblefield, for having the courage to go public and apply solid credentials to the problem. To Angka, SoCalDem, abcdan, Cap, HarmonyGuy, Papau, Phoebe, Trogl and Zhade; Eloriel, and HeddaFoil. Thanks to Greg Palast, who offered his expert advice when I found the Diebold FTP files, and to William Rivers Pitt, who shared ideas and his own research, and Thom Hartmann who knows the perils of privatization better than anyone. To the honorable Dennis Kucinich, Jim McDermott, Rush Holt, John Conyers and Barbara Boxer. To Robin, who stepped in with a shoulder to lean, and Big John Gideon, the force on the forum. To the irrepressible Jim March, with his cleverness and great personal courage. To Andy Stephenson, a kick-ass researcher and a steadfast friend. I promised myself I'd quit when the page ran out.

As you can plainly see it's always been "all about Bev" and she NEVER GAVE THEM CREDIT! :eyes:

Now who should I believe, Bev or Malva? :shrug: :evilgrin:

[Woo]

89. GETTING MORE AND MORE...

PISSED OFF --

First of all -- I've stayed out of the Bev thing because I don't know her very well -- never heard of her until a few weeks ago --

But from her own comments -- she's trying to make a movie of some kind --

The tapes she has are in LA being edited? COME ON -- that's where your money is folks -- some post house in LA is getting all of it -- do you know how much a post house cost per hour

If she was on the up and up she would have released this stuff ASAP -- maybe she doesn't have anything -- maybe she does -- I don't know -- Hell, if she was serious about releasing this stuff -- I would have done it for free... I have my own editing and audio suite -- with color correction software-- point is I don't see why she needs this done if it's REAL NEWS... a cut here, a snip there and every major network in this country and around the world should have had it.

Ms. Harris... and I have a feeling she reads this stuff -- your ruined if you don't start coming up with some very good answers -- and we DO HAVE A RIGHT TO AN ANSWER -- you have taken large amounts of money from people who trusted you

Just what we need another CON -

My second suggestion is getting in touch with that production company that alledgedly did the taping -- I read that they are the ones that own the tapes not Bev Hariis -- pressure them to release the tapes so we can see what exactly is going on here... my guess is... they don't have jack.

I can't believe this -- I haven't posted anything positive today... I'm not posting anymore today... this is just ridiculous and I'm burning mad...

[jamboi]

92. Where do we get the idea

that she is making a movie? Not sure where that's coming from. Where's the info about editing in LA from? Those weren't her camera folks she had with her in Volusia from what I recall. I thought it was another group that was doing a documentary.

[4democracy]

94. I think it is/was a BBC group of filmakers, also

I think it would be in E-voting companies,not to mention the Republicans best interest to discredit people like Bev Harris. We
all should know that is a favorite trick of Rove's

[Woo]

128. Fairly certain...

I read a response from Ms. Harris about the tapes being in LA for editing -- if that is true... THAT'S where we got the idea she is making a movie -- Why would you send tapes to LA to be edited.

[AntiFascist]

133. www.votergate.tv n/t

[shraby]

135. She wasn't making the video, an independent

group of people are.

[Name removed]

216. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

229. Prove it !!!!!

Damn you Pat.

I am sick of your obfuscation.

Prove to me right now that the NBC affiliate aired the infamous Dumpster diving tapes.

Not the "serving" paper at the retirement video which you and I know was worthless.

[AmerDem]

93. If someone has a link to this conversation please post

If someone saves this please post a link. This sounds very interesting.

[jamboi]

97. Do you mean an archive? Its on WhiteRose now. Link:

http://homepage.mac.com/benburch/RhodesShow-(14-12-2004).mp3

[AmerDem]

141. says error cant find page

can you relink. BTW, do you need an account there?

[Hamoth]

96. I think bev is being smeared

by a targeted communications assault. It's possible to route and clone voicemails, to mirror points of contact, to post as her, etc...ANy chance that sicne her image is tied to heavily to the black box voting issue, that in typical rovian form , she is being attacked on a charachter basis to defame the issue itself?

I hear over and over that somone goes out an says that they cant get in touch with her, and then she is surprised and jumps right on it. Does that sound like an action that somone avoiding you would take? he immediate responce lends cred to her not honestly knowing who is tryingto contact her.

If we really hold that the vote was hacked and the GOP is capable of grand conspiracies to defame people and the election...then why not also add communications fraud to the list?

Further, I felt it was obvious that randi was doing he schtick on Bev. Bev was interrupted constantly and not allowed to get a word out. "I think I might have a problem with my co-"

"get it together bev..."

Every time I hear or read bev, I never see a sign of emotional instability of a lack of organization. I get the impression that she's being fucked with on a communications level and is only slow figuring it out.

[jamboi]

98. Maybe her messages are being erased. Conceivable. n/t

[propagandafreegal]

99. Before today, maybe. Today, I didn't like what I heard nm

[Hamoth]

102. I didn't like it either becuase Randi was talking over her

and putting owrds into bevs motuh. Making HUGE assumptions and refusing to let bev respond to pointed questions. I really wanted ot hear bev's side. this oculd have been an informative interview, instead it was Randi burning Bev as a used asset.

[momzno1]

103. to me, she sounded genuinely confused

by Randi's attacks about the phone calls. Remember, Keith O's calling problems too? Who knows, but I don't think we should RUSH TO JUDGEMENT

[jamboi]

122. Yes, she did to me too. I worry for her. n/t

[ronzo]

104. Hey Hamoth.

:hi:

[Hamoth]

105. Hey ronzo!

Fellow RRMB refugee!

I agree with above poster who thought she sounded genuinely confused. I got really mad about this. If randi really hasn't heard from her in all this tiem ,the nshe was jumping to conclusions way too quickly IMHO.

[ronzo]

114. Hard to say, man.

I think there were questions that needed to be asked. RR asked them.
For now, I'd best leave it at that.

:toast:

[tjdee]

107. So Randi is in on it too?

Wow.

Are you saying Bev has been kidnapped/silenced? I just read in the other thread that she responded to a DUer's email. She didn't mention funny business with someone hacking her site (which if I recall correctly, has happened before and we were told), she hasn't mentioned not receiving her calls, etc.

[Hamoth]

108. More like a target

by blocking her phone calls, she could easily be discredited by rovian types. Wedge us...great move.

Discredit bev, discredit the issue "look! we got them fighting each other!" And the absolute pleasure of the republican caller thereafter...sickening.

[n69n]

117. the whole thing is too freaky!!!!

I'm thinking now that repub caller was TOOO PREPARED to suckerpunch Randi over the bev harris issue.

if he's just a random repub caller, how does he know all about Randi raising money for Bev?
probbaly im just being paranoid, but i felt like that whole thing was synched, wih her messageboard being hacked @ the same time....& it was "bev" who called her....


the whole thing is too freaky!!!!

[Razorback_Democrat]

124. Repubs listen to her just like Dems listen to Rush

or Hannity

I saw a thread that had a link to FreeRepublic where the freepers were talking about Bev Harris

probably one of them or who knows

know your enemies

[Garbo 2004]

143. But the solution to that Hamoth is for Bev to proactively keep in touch

and provide updates to venues with which she appeared (at least until today) to have had a good relationship. That's what I don't get: why wait for Randi to call? Call Randi and get an audience of millions. Or are her outgoing calls being blocked as well? All she said when Randi said she'd be trying to get in touch with her was something like "I wondered what happened since we didn't hear from you..." Drop a dime and call Randi/the show if she's wondering.

Bev is a PR person, used to charge others to teach them how to get their message out. She had what appeared to be a friendly venue with millions of listeners and she's not calling to maintain visibility and rally people for the cause? That doesn't make sense to me.

[bunny planet]

166. Yes, Sibel Edmonds has a very important story too and she has been

censored by the *ies and still manages to call every radio program she can to try and get as much of her story out as possible. If Bev would have done that, she would be in less danger, not more. Being isolated and working on a story that people don't want to come out is much more dangerous than being vocal, not specific on the air of course, but vocal. The more people that hear what you are doing, the better, if you are professional and creditable.

[Garbo 2004]

172. Yes & Edmonds was on Majority Report and Eric Alterman was talking to her

and said that was the first he'd heard of her story. Which surprised me. She'd been in the NYT, on 60 minutes, in Congress, discussed on a number of websites/blogs and Alterman still hadn't heard of her?

But still Edmonds doesn't stop trying. And frankly the story she has to tell is IMO potentially a more direct threat to the PTB given what she apparently knows. Not everyone gets to have their previously public letters and resume (or was it educational record, degrees and such) and even the specific languages she speaks (besides English of course) declared national security secrets by US Attny General.

[n69n]

176. was that not CRAZY?!?!?!?!

***HOW*** could he have not heard of sibel edmonds?!?!?!?!?!?

it doesnt seem possible.

& then his response was simply "you're screwed."

COLD!!!!!

[NuttyFluffers]

116. it's easy to steal a message password and erase messages.

jealous lovers do it all the time.

why wouldn't malicious influences do the same? especially since she's now such a target.

she has nothing to lose being a part of a regulated 'safety network' to check up on her each week and then spread the word. she has everything to lose when she's being isolated -- then she can 'mysteriously commit suicide from depression.' no, a screaming voice doesn't go quietly into that violent night. we need a network to shed light and keep her voice regularly heard. it's for her safety and our confidence.

[Old Mouse]

113. it is not inconceivable

that someone is trying to turn us against each other. But it could be as simple as making a caustic environment for someone who intends well but has an inflammatory personality.

This subject should be investigated, but with caution. Although it is possible someone is attempting to stop BBV from being an effective force, such speculation could easily become a farcical distraction.

[Pachamama]

191. Talk about paranoid & tinfoil hat...."Rovian smear campaign against Bev?"

Yeah, right in Bev's wild concocted, ever-changing, unsubstantiated stories...

Look, Bev is her own worst nightmare and has been responsible for her problems and undoing....Your new to the DU, so you wouldn't have been here to follow the year+ of posts from her & others... she has been the one to turn things on herself...don't believe it?

Ask those that have worked with her and refuse to now...I used to support her, have never "flamed" her, have questioned some of her tactics but remained open-minded...After watching her actions here (Note: HER Actions, not others) and then listening to her today, I'm absolutely convinced she has Borderline Personality Disorder and is narcissitic. Bev may have gone in with all the right intentions pursuing "the story" and did good work, but somewhere along the line, she seems to have been more focused on herself being the story. And, if I give her the benefit of the doubt for not being a Narcissist w/ BPD who can't play nice with others, then I'd say she is a hopelessly disorganized person who is underqualified and in way over her head and if she "truly" cares about the greater good, then she should turn over whatever she has and offer to work with and for someone more capable of handling this...She could start with contacting Common Cause's Cliff Arnebeck or Chellie Pingree. They would help and do what needs to be done. SHE CANNOT DO THIS ON HER OWN...

Rovian smear campaign to discredit her? Or as suggested elsewhere that she may have her safety/life at risk? Hardly...she's the best thing Karl Rove could hope for in discrediting anything related to BBV and voter fraud....just let Bev talk away...she's great at discrediting the cause all on her own...

Best thing any of us can do is just ignore "Bev the Story"...focus instead on the real story...

I'll start now...Bev who? Let's talk about Clint Curtis? Or the recount going on in Ohio - or the lawsuit filed by Common Cause...

[n69n]

192. alarm bells

well in the piece with randi, bev says "oh im starting to get superstitious about my phone!"

HELLO, she hasnt already established a secure line!?!?!?!?

she's not taking it for granted she's being monitored 24/7?


i can believe that she's acting in good faith but it doesnt sound like shes running a safe, secure operation over there!!!!!

[Pachamama]

196. She comes across as either completely clueless or insincere - or both...

She should assume she has a 24/7 tail on her and every move and phone call she is making or email being sent is being followed...And I don't care if they are erasing every message she gets (which I highly doubt, but lets just say its happening - so what?)...even so, is someone preventing her from emailing or calling in to Randi and checking in regularly? :eyes:

[moesse]

232. Agreed. That's one reason Randi said Get a land line n/t

[Igel]

121. A guess. And defending Harris.

Nothing more.

In at least one thread at BBV dealing with a tabulator dump there are blips like "Unable to write to socket". There's talk of this either being network requests, possibly just an attempt to write to a networked harddrive; but at least one person isn't sure how the tabulator talks to the counters (they may be networked processors).

There's also talk of a different thread where calling out is discussed. So this may be a misunderstanding, overstating the facts, or the facts. I can't tell, and don't feel like listening to her "cleanup crew" talking it over amongst themselves.

On the other hand, I'll defend Bev. (I've wanted to rant about this for a day or two.) Look up the term "fellow traveller." Handy term. It means that you work for the same short term goals, but don't necessarily have the same long term agenda. I think Bev Harris is one. And that Arnebeck's in the same category. Neither he nor BH deserve dissing because they don't do things the way some DUer (or many DUers or all DUers) want; they quite possibly have their own reasons for doing things we want done for different reasons, or for doing things a different way. True, fellow travellers had a rough go of it in the USSR, because they weren't *true believers* and, in the end, had different, frequently fatal, agendas; but I don't think DU has, overall (some few folk excluded) a required ideological purity test.

[jamboi]

126. Very well put! n/t

[nonny]

147. "Unable to write to socket"

I searched Bev's discussion and found this:

45. "RE: Here's the same data in a text file"
In response to message #9

This is my first time blogging, so if I'm responding inappropriately, please let me know.
***I was just curious after looking at the log why any of these machines would try to connect to a socket after voting had begun.*** This may be obvious, but I'm not as informed as many people here (though I've been reading the blogs for weeks).



64. "RE: Access violation at address 002C3FB7 in XX module"
In response to message #51

>>XX etp_master: Access violation at address 002C3FB7 in 10:15:56 2-Nov-2004
>>XX module 'etpsup.dll'. Read of address 00000038 10:15:56 2-Nov-2004
>>UI etp_master: Dialog "Fatal Application Error"

Access violations generally occur when a program attempts to put data into a memory space it does not have access to. I don't really want to speculate on why that happened without having a better understanding of what etpsup.dll does.


Also see #51, #52, #55 and this is #64

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:BSW7GpTJ-A8J:www.blackboxvoting.org/dcforum/DCForumID4408/34.html+etpsup.dll&hl=en

way down near bottom of page
also, search page for socket.

[DubyaSux]

174. Maybe it's a simpler answer...

A 192.168.xxx.xxx address is reserved for private networks.

The socket could have been opened to transmit data from one application to another on the same machine. I do it everyday when I want multiple applications to talk to one another on the same computer.

It's quick, easy, and clean. And if the target application went away while you were trying to send data, you would get an access violation.

[George W. Hayduke]

134. Bev Harris

needs to PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

she's had plenty of time to make SOME SORT OF CASE.

What do we have from her?????????

something that can be used in court???

SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME!!!

otherwise, fuck her.

flame away.

[Zan_of_Texas]

156. Jim March and Bev Harris got the CA AG to join a suit against Diebold.

Diebold offered a $million-some (don't have it handy) settlement.

Diebold wouldn't have offered serious bucks if there was no case.

I wonder if one model of Diebold evoting machines would have been kicked out of CA without Bev. Dubious.

Mainstream article said it was settled, but Andy told me, I guess it was right after that was announced, that Bev and Jim felt it was "a slap on the hand" and didn't resolve the problems with Diebold in CA, and they were rejected the settlement.

[George W. Hayduke]

160. Dubious...

your word........not mine.

[Garbo 2004]

165. The case had been taken over by the CA AG so Bev's rejection

of the settlement didn't have any force of authority. The State settled. (And it did appear to be a mere slap on the hand.)

[Slaps]

153. she a repub tool

She is a nazi. We never had this problem when I was inspecting weapons in iraq.

[mimitabby]

163. no, she's not

Bev Harris might be fractious, disorganized, and her own worst enemy. but she's sincerely on a mission. While we have all been living our lives, working, dating, reading novels, and occasionally posting on DU she has LIVED this voting nightmare for YEARS. The kind of people that
can do this (obsessive types) are not necessarily also good at communication, politics or sales.
I donated money to her too, and was surprised when i didn't even get a thank you.
I think it's VERY unfortunate that she can't seem to get along with even us, her would-be supporters. but she's no GOP plant, believe me.

[Pachamama]

173. Zero Credibility in my book...

Apologies to those who defend Bev on the DU no matter what, but this woman is either the biggest liar in the world (anyone listening to her non-answers, her humming-hawing and question evading and nothing but excuses) or Olbermann AND Randi Rhodes are the biggest liars or Bev is just plain incompetent (kept saying she didn't get any of the messages from Randi, and that her caller ID never showed calls from her) but Randi said she contacted her 3 times leaving messages with no response from her...

Or maybe she's mentally ill...all I know is she has zero credibility in my book and anyone listening to her would have come to the same conclusion....AND guess what? It's not some conspiracy against her, its her OWN actions and undoing of herself...She is good at making excuses and avoiding answers...wow...she really bamboozled all of us...

PS: Randi asked her why she doesn't turn over evidence - no answer; Randi offered to help her and asked her how she can help - no answer; Randi asked her why she wasn't at the hearings that Conyers held yesterday (she was supposedly supposed to be there) - non-answer- she hummed and hawed and indicated someone (forget who) didn't get back to her about where she was supposed to be...actually if I remember correctly, she at first acted like she didn't even know they were happening....yikes....

:scared:

[Quakerfriend]

175. I believe the Diebold settled with Bev for 2.3 mil n/t

[ParanoidPat]

182. If they settled with anyone they settled with Bill Lockyer.......

.......the California State's Attorney General. California was, after all, the recipient of the lions share of any award or settlement under a Qui-Tam action. :(

I spent about 5 hours with Lockyer, Leon Panetta, Sam Farr and a number of other politicians at Henry Mello's memorial service the weekend before last at the performing arts center in Watsonville, California that bears Henry's name. I volunteered to stage manage the event. I spent hours literally inches from these people and could not say a word about how I feel about the situation because it was neither the time nor place to do so under the circumstances. I can however refer to our meeting there in future contacts. :)

Bev and Jim March tried to reject the settlement in order to drag Diebold into discovery and avoid them getting away with a slap on the wrist and no admission of wrong doing.

Damn, I wasn't aware that a final disposition had already been reached.

Do you have a link to that for my records? Thanks in advance. :evilgrin:

[DubyaSux]

180. Another bogus scare...

....it's not some application trying to "reach out" on the network. It's one application "reaching out" to another application on the same machine. I do it all the time. Ever since DDE went away, sockets are really the only way to get multiple applications to talk to one another. And since the culprit dll is probably a wrapper for some socket/transmit functions, it would have bombed with an access violation if it was trying to pipe data and the target app went away.

It's a simple answer...not a smoking gun...

[Fescue4u]

195. ding ding ding..give that man a cigar.. /nt

[ParanoidPat]

215. Really? What application other than GEMS.......

.......would be running during the vote tabulation? :shrug: :evilgrin:

Better yet, why would it need to be running?

Be careful, I might just have to ask Roxanne J to comment on your answer! :)

[DubyaSux]

237. It's not a GEMS..and you should know that...

First, the item in question is on a Sequoia system...not a GEMS.

Secondly, it doesn't have to be some full blown application. There could be an NT service application (part of the voting system) that resolves database changes instead of tying up the main application. It could be a setup window that appears to be part of the main application (a dialog), but instead of launching another thread and process, launches a small executable to retain stability in the main application.

[Kimber Scott]

189. I wish I could get my money back. It wasn't much, but I don't like being

taken advantage of. This is all too fishy.

[Name removed]

202. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[beammeup]

238. "Better Bev than Bush": I agree 100% w/ Old Mouse.

She may be abrasive, flamboyant, egotistical- but who else has done what she's doing? The closest developments to smoking guns that I've seen have come from BBV.

It doesn't help our cause by making her look like a lunatic. That's just fodder for the right-wing media.

[Pachamama]

204. LETS FOCUS ON WHAT REALLY MATTERS-Check this out NOW!

Far more important than Bev Harris...If you want to donate some money, give some to Will Pitt...or the Green Party....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=160619&mesg_id=160619