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Tue Dec-14-04 11:48 PM
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Another OHIO article for tomorrow's Washington Post |
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Tue Dec-14-04 11:56 PM
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Tue Dec-14-04 11:57 PM
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2. Thats an excellent article! |
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Tue Dec-14-04 11:58 PM
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3. VTGold, I can't get this darn article to load in my browser. Can you post |
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just a little bit of the article, maybe some crucial wording? Thanks a million! :hi:
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Wed Dec-15-04 12:01 AM
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<snip>But similar problems occurred across the state and fueled protest marches and demands for a recount. The foul-ups appeared particularly acute in Democratic-leaning districts, according to interviews with voters, poll workers, election observers and election board and party officials, as well as an examination of precinct voting patterns in several cities.
In Cleveland, poorly trained poll workers apparently gave faulty instructions to voters that led to the disqualification of thousands of provisional ballots and misdirected several hundred votes to third-party candidates. In Youngstown, 25 electronic machines transferred an unknown number of votes for Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) to the Bush column.
In Columbus, Cincinnati and Toledo, and on college campuses, election officials allocated far too few voting machines to busy precincts, with the result that voters stood on line as long as 10 hours -- many leaving without voting. Some longtime voters discovered their registrations had been purged.
"There isn't enough to prove fraud, but there have been very significant problems in running elections in Ohio this year that demand reform," said Edward B. Foley, who is director of the election law program at the Ohio State University law school and a former Ohio state solicitor. "We clearly ended up disenfranchising people, and I don't want to minimize that."<snip>
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Wed Dec-15-04 12:05 AM
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We clearly ended up disenfranchising people
That might be the understatement of the year!
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Wed Dec-15-04 12:04 AM
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Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 12:14 AM by Ojai Person
It is kind of a bs spin article, but at least it's getting out there:
snip-- "There isn't enough to prove fraud, but there have been very significant problems in running elections in Ohio this year that demand reform," said Edward B. Foley, who is director of the election law program at the Ohio State University law school and a former Ohio state solicitor. "We clearly ended up disenfranchising people, and I don't want to minimize that."
Franklin County election officials -- evenly split between Republicans and Democrats -- say they allocated machines based on past voting patterns and their best estimate of where more were needed. But they acknowledge having too few machines to cope with an additional 102,000 registered voters.
Ohio is not particularly unusual. After the 2000 election debacle, which ended with a 36-day partisan standoff in Florida and an election decided by the U.S. Supreme Court, Congress passed the Help America Vote Act in 2002. The intent was to help states upgrade aging voting machines and ensure that eligible voters are not turned away. To a point, it has had the desired effect. --snip
Oh no. None of it was fraud, just accidents and poorly trained poll workers. The boards were bipartisan, so no blame, even though there were plenty of machines in Republican counties and not in Democratic ones. Oh my. How unfortunate that these young black men knew they wouldn't be allowed to vote. Oh the accidents of democracy.
I don't know whether to :argh: or :puke:
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Wed Dec-15-04 12:12 AM
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11. they looked at past voting record and that is |
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Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 12:15 AM by seabeyond
how they decided who got the machines.
k, so the dem voters were short machines which would leave one to conclude they had extraordinary turnout
the bush areas had no lines that would suggest they had incredibly low turnout
and the election went for bush
hm
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Wed Dec-15-04 12:19 AM
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15. That is a great "duh"! |
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Makes you :freak: wonder.
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Wed Dec-15-04 07:30 AM
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19. if you are wondering what happened to the duh |
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i dont let kids use duh, and after putting it on i thought, nah,....not a duh kinda a person, lol. so edited without seeing your reply or would have left it. just a little funny to me
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Wed Dec-15-04 12:02 AM
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Also, "...and an election decided by the U.S. Supreme Court" I don't know about youse, but personally, I just can't see this phrase enough in print.
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Wed Dec-15-04 12:04 AM
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7. Thanks for posting this |
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Great article. Hmmmm, I wonder if Hannity's producers got wind of the fact that some major newspapers were going to begin to print election fraud stories, and this is why Arnebeck was invited on?
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Wed Dec-15-04 12:10 AM
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9. Of course they got wind....the NYT, Wash Post, Faux News..all in one day? |
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I'm hope you're ready for your close-up Mr. Arneback. Seems like we might be sitting on the launching pad of this story.......
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Wed Dec-15-04 12:11 AM
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Wed Dec-15-04 12:16 AM
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13. Hey look it's not us saying this |
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You think they covered enough people say it was in "Democratic-leaning districts"
The foul-ups appeared particularly acute in Democratic-leaning districts, according to interviews with voters, poll workers, election observers and election board and party officials, as well as an examination of precinct voting patterns in several cities.
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Wed Dec-15-04 12:17 AM
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14. Here is his email if anyone wants to thank them. |
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Wed Dec-15-04 12:20 AM
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16. Just this 1 line should worry nah sayers.. if they think! ... |
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"25 electronic machines transferred an unknown number of votes for Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) to the Bush column."
UNKNOWN NUMBER... ask your friends if they grasp that!
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Wed Dec-15-04 12:29 AM
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17. " In Cuyahoga County, officials decided to quickly rent hundreds |
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Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 12:31 AM by 4democracy
of additional voting machines." I wonder if these were specially Rove designed machines. These people act like they didn't know there was about to be an election in their state. Even if you were living under a rock, you couldn't have missed that info or not noticed the huge registration drive that would naturally mean more voters
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Wed Dec-15-04 12:51 AM
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not the NYTimes but hey beggars can't be choosers.
We're gettin there.
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Wed Dec-15-04 07:54 AM
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20. Thanks for posting this. |
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