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VTGold Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:48 PM
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Another OHIO article for tomorrow's Washington Post
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 11:49 PM by VTGold
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:56 PM
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:57 PM
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2. Thats an excellent article!
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:58 PM
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3. VTGold, I can't get this darn article to load in my browser. Can you post
just a little bit of the article, maybe some crucial wording? Thanks a million! :hi:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:01 AM
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4. Here's 4 paragraphs.
<snip>But similar problems occurred across the state and fueled protest marches and demands for a recount. The foul-ups appeared particularly acute in Democratic-leaning districts, according to interviews with voters, poll workers, election observers and election board and party officials, as well as an examination of precinct voting patterns in several cities.

In Cleveland, poorly trained poll workers apparently gave faulty instructions to voters that led to the disqualification of thousands of provisional ballots and misdirected several hundred votes to third-party candidates. In Youngstown, 25 electronic machines transferred an unknown number of votes for Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) to the Bush column.

In Columbus, Cincinnati and Toledo, and on college campuses, election officials allocated far too few voting machines to busy precincts, with the result that voters stood on line as long as 10 hours -- many leaving without voting. Some longtime voters discovered their registrations had been purged.

"There isn't enough to prove fraud, but there have been very significant problems in running elections in Ohio this year that demand reform," said Edward B. Foley, who is director of the election law program at the Ohio State University law school and a former Ohio state solicitor. "We clearly ended up disenfranchising people, and I don't want to minimize that."<snip>
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:05 AM
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8. Thanks, in_cog_ni_to!
We clearly ended up disenfranchising people


That might be the understatement of the year!
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:04 AM
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6. Here ya go--
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 12:14 AM by Ojai Person
It is kind of a bs spin article, but at least it's getting out there:

snip--
"There isn't enough to prove fraud, but there have been very significant problems in running elections in Ohio this year that demand reform," said Edward B. Foley, who is director of the election law program at the Ohio State University law school and a former Ohio state solicitor. "We clearly ended up disenfranchising people, and I don't want to minimize that."

Franklin County election officials -- evenly split between Republicans and Democrats -- say they allocated machines based on past voting patterns and their best estimate of where more were needed. But they acknowledge having too few machines to cope with an additional 102,000 registered voters.

Ohio is not particularly unusual. After the 2000 election debacle, which ended with a 36-day partisan standoff in Florida and an election decided by the U.S. Supreme Court, Congress passed the Help America Vote Act in 2002. The intent was to help states upgrade aging voting machines and ensure that eligible voters are not turned away. To a point, it has had the desired effect.
--snip

Oh no. None of it was fraud, just accidents and poorly trained poll workers. The boards were bipartisan, so no blame, even though there were plenty of machines in Republican counties and not in Democratic ones. Oh my. How unfortunate that these young black men knew they wouldn't be allowed to vote. Oh the accidents of democracy.

I don't know whether to :argh: or :puke:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:12 AM
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11. they looked at past voting record and that is
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 12:15 AM by seabeyond
how they decided who got the machines.

k, so the dem voters were short machines which would leave one to conclude they had extraordinary turnout

the bush areas had no lines that would suggest they had incredibly low turnout

and the election went for bush

hm
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:19 AM
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15. That is a great "duh"!
Makes you :freak: wonder.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 07:30 AM
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19. if you are wondering what happened to the duh
i dont let kids use duh, and after putting it on i thought, nah,....not a duh kinda a person, lol. so edited without seeing your reply or would have left it. just a little funny to me
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:02 AM
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5. That's great!
Also, "...and an election decided by the U.S. Supreme Court" I don't know about youse, but personally, I just can't see this phrase enough in print.
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intelle Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:04 AM
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7. Thanks for posting this
Great article. Hmmmm, I wonder if Hannity's producers got wind of the fact that some major newspapers were going to begin to print election fraud stories, and this is why Arnebeck was invited on?
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:10 AM
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9. Of course they got wind....the NYT, Wash Post, Faux News..all in one day?
I'm hope you're ready for your close-up Mr. Arneback. Seems like we might be sitting on the launching pad of this story.......
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:11 AM
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10. we've got msm!!!
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:13 AM
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12. Page A01.
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:16 AM
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13. Hey look it's not us saying this
You think they covered enough people say it was in "Democratic-leaning districts"

The foul-ups appeared particularly acute in Democratic-leaning districts, according to interviews with voters, poll workers, election observers and election board and party officials, as well as an examination of precinct voting patterns in several cities.
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:17 AM
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14. Here is his email if anyone wants to thank them.
powellm@washpost.com
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:20 AM
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16. Just this 1 line should worry nah sayers.. if they think! ...
"25 electronic machines transferred an unknown number of votes for Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) to the Bush column."

UNKNOWN NUMBER... ask your friends if they grasp that!
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4democracy Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:29 AM
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17. " In Cuyahoga County, officials decided to quickly rent hundreds
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 12:31 AM by 4democracy
of additional voting machines." I wonder if these were specially Rove designed machines. These people act like they didn't know there was about to be an election in their state.
Even if you were living under a rock, you couldn't have missed that info or not noticed the huge registration drive that would naturally mean more voters
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:51 AM
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18. More MSM
not the NYTimes but hey beggars can't be choosers.


We're gettin there.
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jdog Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 07:54 AM
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20. Thanks for posting this.
Does my heart good.
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