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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:48 PM
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Blackwell Changes Rule After Kerry Personally Signs 88 Letters
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 12:00 AM by dzika
More bullshit rules from Blackwell...

From Elites TV

Ohio Recount: County Election Board Chair Disputes comments from spokesperson for Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell

12/14/04 4:45pm EST

-snip-
Yesterday, I reported on a phone interview with Carlo LoParo, a
spokesperson for Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell. One of
the items LoParo repeatedly stressed was that 'each county in Ohio
has an election board consisting of two Republicans and two
Democrats' and that each board 'unanimously voted to certify their
election results on December 6th.'...he urged me to contact these
Democratic party chairs if I 'had any doubt' as to the conduct of
the elections in any of Ohio's 88 county's, including oft discussed
Franklin and Hamilton counties. So, I contacted Hamilton County's
Board of elections Chair (Franklin's board did not return calls),
but his comments did not line up with those coming out of the
Secretary of State's office
.

-snip-
Burke also suggested that there were many more ballots that were not
counted even though he felt that they should have been. 'On just
provisional ballots 1100 were not counted in Hamilton County because
of confusing information that sent people to the wrong precinct. In
past years it would not have mattered because their ballots would
have been accepted
, but the Secretary of State made a very
restricted ruling regarding provisional ballots and as a result,
this election is the first election that votes like these were not
counted...an additional 451 voters were disenfranchised when they
arrived at the correct polling place, but voted at the wrong table

(some locations served more than one precinct by using seperate
tables).

-snip-
Initially, a week ago, according to Burke, the Secretary of State
sent out an order requiring that party witnesses to the recount had
to have a designation note signed by the candidate. Thus, for the
Democratic Party's 88 witnesses (one for each Ohio County's recount)
John Kerry had to personally sign their letter designating them as
the party's official witness, and the Ohio State Democratic Party
and Senator Kerry had spent a fair amount of time, effort and money
working to get that accomplished
. Today, Blackwell backed off on
that requirement significantly
, allowing the certification of party
witnesses to be signed off by local or state party organizations.

http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2004/Dec/EEN41bf5ef4d50b2.html


Notice that Blackwell backs off the rules after Kerry signs 88 letters. I wonder if B* had to personally sign 88 letters for recount witnesses!

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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:57 PM
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1. County Election Board Chair Disputes Comments From Blackwell
This is so outrageous it goes beyond words.What a country we live in! Everything was stolen years ago. I am OLD and thought I was beyond caring anymore , but BushWorld has re energized me. I am trying to control my blood pressure!!Blackwell must go.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:01 AM
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2. Agreed.
Blackwell is an asshole.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:07 AM
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3. Yes, you are right, * is a very huge asshole

I personally would love to slap his face many times over, once for every life lost to his greed.
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Higans Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:51 AM
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12. Is E-Voting ME-Voting? Prove it!
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 12:52 AM by Higans
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pick_a_dilly Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:16 AM
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4. blackwells toll free # 1-877-767-6446
(Toll Free): 1-877-767-6446

call him and leave a message ...
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:26 AM
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5. I have called so many times...
so one more complaint isn't going to hurt.

and then they fight you...
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:27 AM
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6. can someone explain briefly what this means?
i'm blonde and at times, there are some things i don't comprehend.


actually, i'm just tired and my brain is feeling lazy :(
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:35 AM
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7. This story is the first I've heard of it but...
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 12:40 AM by dzika
it sounds like Blackwell made a rule that said that for a recount witness to be valid, the actual candidate had to sign the letter of authorization.

After Kerry went to the trouble of personally signing and sending out 88 letters (one for each Ohio county) so that the Dem observers would be valid, Blackwell changed the rule so that a representative of the candidate could authorize the witness.

What's the point? I'm just betting the the R* candidate didn't have to sign 88 letters... it's just another tactic.

The story is mostly about a BOE Chair that didn't see eye-to-eye with Blackwell's way of doing business. The irony is that the reporter contacted the BOE Chair on the advice of Blackwell. The detail about Kerry signing the letters is just one of the examples the report gives.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:37 AM
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8. so in other words
wait i'm stilll confused. this is almost like me reading a graph.

lol
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:43 AM
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9. Sorry, my first response didn't make much sense.
That what I get for doing too many things at once. I have edited it so maybe real humans (and not just mind readers) can understand it.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:46 AM
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10. Can anyone give more details on this?
sigh...maybe I should just call it a night.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:46 AM
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11. ok, NOW, so in other words....
although Kerry's letters gave us a few ounces of hope (and some restored faith he is active in this), it was basically a waste of time.....
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:52 AM
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13. Not quite...
These aren't the letters about the electors. These are letters that simply authorize Dem staff to witness the recounts.

Remember that both a Dem and a R* have to be present to view the BOE records.

This is the type of things that Kerry should have never had to personally do.

FYI: Cobb and Badnarik also had to sign the same types of letters to authorize their recount staff. I have heard that Badnarik was behind in getting this letters out to volunteers.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:53 AM
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14. Not a waste of time. It got the attention of the MSM.
And it got our attention. It also got Kerry personally involved. I don't think he'll like being "played" by Blackwell, do you?

Keep the faith.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:17 AM
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17. Signing his name 88 times wouldn't be his idea of a fun evening?
Picky, picky!

Yes, I imagine Katherine Blackwell is in for an exciting 2005. Plus the next 15-35 years or until parole kicks in. :evilgrin:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:58 AM
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15. No * didn't...
If I'm reading this correctly (and it's 1 a.m. so it's possible I'm not), Kerry called Blackwell's bluff. He signed the letters and jumped through the hoops. Now that that's happened, Kathy has changed the rules, again(!), apparently in an effort to allow someone other than * to sign the Repug's letters.

No matter how you slice it though, it stinks on ice! My .02
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consciousobjector Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:01 AM
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16. Blackwell"urged me to contact these Democratic party chairs"
Shouldn't all the BOE democratic chairs have been contacted before now? I know of at least one other BOE Dem chair who disagrees with Blacksick...if enough of them voiced complaints, wouldn't that help discredit the SOB (whoops, I meant the SOS)
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:22 AM
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19. That Kathy just makes up shit as he goes along.
Wonder how he likes the color orange?
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:29 AM
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21. lol. Kathy
let's call him Catty Kathy.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:22 AM
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18. Sent it to Randi
I'm sure she'd love to discuss this little case of "executive privilege"
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:25 AM
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20. Well, well, looks like dirty GOP politics doesn't just happen to
little people like me. This is an eye opener.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 05:05 AM
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22. Now you wait...
...he used the wrong weight of paper? Wrong kind of pen?
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