Bev Harris is on our side... dont let freeps and naysayers divide us! nt

[Griffy]

[Stand and Fight]

1. Facts.

Most people are just looking at the facts. Facts speak for themselves friend.

[Eric J in MN]

2. I agree . The term "blackbox voting" wouldn't be known to most

of us, including me, if not for Bev Harris.

[Kelvin Mace]

3. If Bev is on our side

we are doomed.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[UL_Approved]

5. What do you mean by this?

Are you referring to the fact that she needs to be politically neutral, or what?

[Kelvin Mace]

28. No, I am referring to the fact that she now has zero credibility.

[TrustingDog]

49. can't be zero, I and some others still think Bev is ace.

so trade in your abacas, it's faulty.

[bunny planet]

67. Oh yeah, she is really ace, that's why she was just on the radio trashing

Keith Olbermann, DU, John Kerry, Democrats in general, and probably will trash AAR and RR soon too. She trashed her own assistant on her website last night after he had worked for her when his sister was dying. She's really good people! She's so loyal and true blue.

Get real.The woman is unbalanced. She is a liability at this point. We can't afford her anymore. Life is too dangerous under *2, we need reliable, and SANE spokespeople.

Put her on an ice float and send her out to sea. She has way outlived her usefulness to us. I'm not a cold person, but when an administration is in power that threatens the quality of life of my family, (and yours too btw) and there is a way to expose them and bring them to task for their criminal acts, I do not want a nutbar out there discrediting our efforts to bring these people down. Do you?

[alittlelark]

60. I canot believe I am agreeing, but I am.

:cry: :cry:

[SomthingsGotaGive]

58. lol Politically neutral lol

She became politically neutral once the Dem's and Democratic Underground in particular stopped buying her snake oil.

Search this site and you will discover exactly how Bev felt about Bush and the Republicans when it financed her excursions across country.

I go away for four days and there are over 2000 more posts about her here.
I see several threads that discuss more garbage from Bev.

Days before the election Bev announced publicly that it was too late to fix the problems before this election and screamed to anyone that would listen the modems needed to be unplugged.

Some got unplugged. And now there are error messages she's using to claim possible evidence of fraud.

Du'rs going nuts analyzing code for hours on end?

Has Bev taken her "findings" to the FBI?

If so what have they said?

If not, why not?


Are the FBI in on it with Bushco and the Media?

If so what good is it going to do pouring over data for hours on end online if they will never investigate or report your findings?


Does anybody doing any of this research think they need MORE evidence of fraud than currently exists?

This is more diversions and fund raising.

Oh BTW did anyone prove the dog was shot while I was away?
I hope so because that was going to make us look bad too if not.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

35. here's the jealous one again--ha --doomed are we?

go your name posted on yer sig eh--->
you go girl, get that recognition that you think Bev doesn't deserve.
good luck

[Medium Baby Jesus]

71. I'm guessing from your post

that you are about 14 years old.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

73. is that a bad thing

is that a bad thing?
a 14 yr. old can recognize jealous sour grapes statements with "look at me instead" links.

how old are U?
52?
62,
or 72

time for your nap

[Pachamama]

37. Bev is now to the BBV cause what Kerik once was to the GOP & 9/11 Push...

Now she is a trainwreck in progress...the more she continues on (primarily it seems making herself the story) and performances like today on Randi Rhodes, she does more to hurt the cause...

:hurts:

[Griffy]

4. We are a group of free thinkers, and our enemy is united...

dont lose sight of this, Bevs goals are not a bush regieme or black box voting! We cant possible understand the pressure shes under! I was scared just to stand at a rally in DC, but I took strength in those standing with me...

[tjdee]

6. Funny, Arnebeck, Curtis, etc. manage to return calls with all that pressur

e....

She may be on our side, but she is getting in HER OWN, and OUR, way with this petty bullshit and "I just can't get my calls" and "I wasn't at the hearings because I guess I talked to the wrong people...."

Come on. Unprofessional is unprofessional. If she were working for me she'd be on her way out the door.

[Pastiche423]

7. Bev's goals

are anything that benefits Bev.

Period.

On edit: Spellin'

[Griffy]

12. freedom and democracy benefits bev...

unless you know her personally, dont be so hostile to someone that has been trying to point this out for a long time... like her or not SHE is out there doing SOMETHING.... did you all at LEAST go to your state rally?.. Bev might be getting death threats, try to open your mind... but we will be wary, as we always are...

[Stand and Fight]

15. Riiight....

Hey, guess what? Gullible is not a word in the dictionary? Look it up if you don't believe me pallie...

:eyes:

[Kelvin Mace]

30. I KNOW her personally

and the poster was correct.

She's in it for Bev.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Stand and Fight]

40. No offense to you...

But I really wish people would take it from the horse's mouth and listen to what you just said. You know her PERSONALLY. In my book, that counts for a whole helluva lot more than speculation.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

59. An equally credible argument could be made....

That she has been determined to Hijack the BBV movement since day one so that issues a used car salesman could have sold to the media get buried in the land of lunatics and conspiracy freaks.

Prove Bev is getting death threats.
Prove her site is getting hacked.

Prove anything she says.

Did she show any evidence of the dumpster dives in the last four days?

I hope so because that's bound to make us look bad if not.

[JMac]

75. Your right

Bev might be getting death threats, try to open your mind... but we will be wary, as we always are...

She probably is getting death threats. Thats what happens when you rip people off, lie, and treat people like shit.

[Stand and Fight]

11. Look at Response #6.

Oh yeah, did you know that gullible is not a word? Don't believe me? Look it up in the dictionary...

Some people...

:eyes:

Sheesh...

[DieboldMustDie]

22. Gullible is not a word?

http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=gullible :shrug:

[Stand and Fight]

25. I hope like hell that you are kidding....

:eyes:
From your research: "easily duped or cheated"...
Boy, you walked right into that one...

[Higans]

39. I'm Right with you

Speaking out is hard. Bumperstickers any one?

Is E-Voting ME-Voting? Prove it!

[bunny planet]

68. Please, I don't think the other side would want to do anything to Bev at

this point. She's like a Xmas present for them, she appears to be a tin-foil hat wearing crazy lady and they can associate her with us, and so we are slimed by association. It sucks. We must disavow her and move on. Perhaps Andy can give us an update on what exactly she was working on, if it's useful, and someone can take it from there. I don't see her as having done anything thus far, supposedly she had tapes proving fraud in Volusia county, what on earth is she doing with them. If they are real, I expect her next to turn them over to the Repugs, she can get $$$ for them or attention for a minute, which it seems is what she craves most.

[Catherine Vincent]

8. The freakazoids aren't doing anything.

Some of us still support her work. We just don't want anything to do with her...that is all.

[Maple]

9. Yes, she is

but some people are overly sensitive or thin-skinned for some reason, and the left-wing circular firing squad comes out.

Republicans aren't the ones defeating Democrats.

They don't need to.

[Stand and Fight]

13. Do a little diving into the DU archives.

There's tons of reading to be done there on this subject alone... So, I guess that you condone her actions in regards to Andy? Yeah, that's got a lot to do with being thin-skinned... Let's see...

She threatens to sue people and they don't take it well...
Refuses to release what she calls big evidence...
Is rude and argumentative to a mainstream media contact (Countdown)... Can't answer questions posed to her...


Oh yeah, that's thin-skinned....

Hey, while we're on that -- I got a one-way express ticket to the rings of Saturn, you interested?

Some people...

:eyes:

[TrustingDog]

51. the shameful truth you spoke. I'm ashamed to be part of the part of DU...

I am seeing tonight.

[high density]

10. I don't think she's on our side

She used this board and liberal talk radio to get a lot of money for whatever her cause is, but now she doesn't really seem to give a crap about showing any results.

[Griffy]

14. perhaps she cant say..we know nothing.. and so we lash out...

if you want, you go fly to FL and investigate this... no ones stopping ANY of you from starting your own investigation! .. or sit at your comp and with little bits and peices of info eciding whats happening with her. I dont know if she is helping or not.. but I know she wants a trustworthy voting system, and so do I.

[Stand and Fight]

17. So, you've been inside her head?

Actions speak louder than words, and her actions speak loud and clear.

[tjdee]

20. Why wasn't she at the hearings. Period.

Since she's on our side, doesn't she want her work to be included and presented to Conyers & co.?

As a result of the hearings, Conyers is asking the FBI to investigate, which has made it to the NYT, and Maxine Waters has said they're probably going to protest the election results as they did for Al Gore.

All without Bev.

For pete's sake, a couple DUers made it into the room, and Bev Harris couldn't? She guesses she spoke to the "wrong people"?

[Stand and Fight]

23. Thaaaaaaaaaaaannnnk you, tjdee. Very valid point.

Claims she didn't know about the hearings. What a crop of B.S... My Rethug co-workers knew and they don't even come here, and I didn't mention a word to them about it before hand.

[tjdee]

27. Just listened to the Randi show today, and that was what stuck out.

This is a woman who used to head a PR firm, and she can't figure out how to get in touch with someone to be heard at a HEARING?

Does not compute somehow.

[Stand and Fight]

31. Be careful...

You don't wanna blow a circuit by over-using your logic chip...

[Pachamama]

42. Jeff Fisher made it to the meeting last week - why not Bev? On her call

with Randi, when asked by Randi about why she wasn't there, she first acted like she didn't know about the meetings and then made an excuse that someone didn't get back to her of where the meeting was...Please, she could have done a google search or called Conyers office....

Yeah, why wasn't she at the hearings? :eyes:

[Griffy]

46. so.. she cant work with others.. hmmm seems to be spreading ! nt

[kerry2win]

16. thats what I wa aa aa aa aa aant thats what I want

now money don't get everything it's true, but what it don't get I can't use, now give me money.

[Turn CO Blue]

19. That post made me LOL. Thanks! n/t

[shireen]

18. I cannot support Harris anymore

There are two aspects of her work that must function smoothly in order to be a success:

1. the integrity of her research
I don't know enough about the technical aspects of her research
to comment on it. But according to the two ladies who called into
the Malloy show, they reassure us that the research is sound.

2. communicating information to other people
This has been an utter and total disaster. Even if her research is
impeccable, it's not going to matter if she's unable to communcate
it to a wider audience and win their support.

Given everything I've read and heard, I'm totally turned off by bbv.org.
I don't care how brilliant Ms. Harris is ... her total lack of respect for
others is appallingly clear. I cannot trust her anymore.

[Pepper32]

21. Have you seen this post by Andy?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x160133

[JohnnyCougar]

24. AHEM.....

Why don't you ask Bev why she's dividing us, then.


....It needed to be said.

[Turn CO Blue]

26. You know, I actually posted for Bev, before I posted against her.

[Stand and Fight]

29. Whoa...

You better clarify that statement, before Bush&Co. come barging in here and declare you a flippity-floppity-flip-flopper!!!

:silly:

[Turn CO Blue]

70. Well, as Chimpy said: Bring 'em on!

[Griffy]

34. THATS funny... LOL .. nt

[tandem5]

52. hah nice n/t

[seito]

53. Good One :-)

[Griffy]

32. STOP the hate.. cant you see it what they want... its infighting...

you dont like her.. fine.. I have no words to defend any action or inaction she has taken.. but she is not bush.. she is not Blackwell... dont support her fine, but I plea for unity... not with her.. but amongest us.. it feels more desperate every day and with that we become ready to turn on eachother to place blame and vent anger. try to see this above the facts, and just leave her alone, she may yet save the day, who knows... I dont see any of you going thru the trash for voting fraud.

[Stand and Fight]

36. Then you really...

Should have thought out the wording of your topic. I agree with you in regards to us needing to be united, but there is a reason that Bev Harris is such a controversial topic. For you to come rushing into the debate, makes it sound as if you are uninformed of the facts. And quite frankly, since you were a witness to Bev's supposed "dumpster diving," why don't you suggest to her and the camera crew to release the footage...

[Griffy]

43. touche' still,even if shes evil... shes a distraction, a decoy at best!

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

48. really?

maybe it was worded just as it was meant to be worded.
And who's "rushing" into the debate?
If you have a problem with people not joining you in your dark corner buzz off.
Let others have an opinion without jumping on the idiotic argument of "if you don't agree then you're uninformed or you're ignorant or stupid"
Just back off.
By the way, the footage was released and if you keep up at all you would have heard the Bernie Ward show where he went into it in depth.
So quit accusing others of ignorance.
By doing that you are the one, my friend, who appears "uninformed"

And just for the record- I'm not for or against Bev
I just watch you and others tear into anyone who disagrees.
Take a chill pill.
You aren't converting anyone with these tactics.

[tjdee]

38. Just leave her alone? She has people's money!!

Griffy.

I don't think we're all going to decide we hate each other and want to disband the entire liberal movement over this. :)

We turn on each other here, but I think we're pretty united against common foes...who are not Bev, you are right.

But--
She raised money for the cause. So, people are going to be interested in what she is doing and how she is handling something they donated to.

[seito]

47. I agree that we need to be united but...

After reading about what happened to Andy, I have to place her on my IGNORE list. :boring:

I hope she is doing great things for Democracy. I agree that she was instrumental in drawing attention to the huge issues regarding the vulnerability of computerized voting machines. However, in the short term, she is not helping our cause. History will judge her in the long term perspective, should her evidence eventually be made public.

[New Earth]

33. i'm not a freeper

and i don't really support her. especially not after just listening to her on Randi Rhodes. Someting is definately wrong with that whole situation.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

41. it's spelled -- de-finite-ly

de plus finite plus ly
easy to remember

The situation is :
any good position provokes an equal opposition

it's normal

Tell me Bev's done more harm than good

and how do you even know about BBV?
probably from hearing about her

[tjdee]

44. Oh, we're now discussing spelling?

Can I point out that you forgot to punctuate and properly capitalize in your sentences?


Come on.

No one is doubting that she has made a contribution. Some of us are concerned that at this point she is behaving in a way that damages her own credibility.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

50. punctuation isn't the point-definitely is spelled wrong constantly here

Thank the school system I guess.

defanitely, definately

it's bad

[tjdee]

54. Also, lose and loose.

:)

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

57. right on ! :-)

[Forkboy]

72. I always spell it wrong

:)

[Griffy]

45. actually.. I found BBV searching web months ago... and now im here..

and I spent this weekend in the cold in DC at the White house and Capitol protesting... I know we are all doing what we can... I dount attacking bev will get us further, after the 20th we can evaluate what she did and where the money went... so be in DC on the 6th and protest the real problem, the crooks that fixed the election!

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

56. agree, the real problem is

THE CROOKS THAT FIXED THE ELECTION !!
Keep it up with the Street protests!
I've attended most of the L.A. ones (one all day in the pouring rain).
Actual turnout in numbers does make a difference (regardless of what some may say or whether Fox and CNN ignore it).

[Alizaryn]

55. IMO,, We need to back off and let it rest for awhile.

There are too many things we can all support each other in positively.
There are too many important reasons for us to remain united.

[alittlelark]

61. I'm willing to give it a chance

but I put all my eggs in one basket (and alot of eggs $$$)

I am sad and disillusioned. I am hoping for a return on my investment?!

[Pachamama]

62. FINE-LETS FOCUS ON WHAT REALLY MATTERS-Check this out NOW!

Tired of "Bev the Story"? Wanting to not lose hope? Feeling like your eggs were all in one basket?

Hope is on the way...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=160619&mesg_id=160619

[Protect The Vote]

63. I'm not a freeper or a naysayer

but I must admit that I was a sucker for bbv.org. If only I had done just a little more digging here at DU.

I want my money back - it can be better utilized elsewhere.

[morillon]

74. I gave money to Cobb's recount effort as well as BBV.

The BBV money would've been much better spent on Cobb. It's probably too late to get it back from PayPal.

I've been following BBV's progress since winter. Things seemed reasonably legit, which is why I decided to send them money. This latest rash of bizarre behavior has completely changed my mind about them.

[Griffy]

64. kick

[americanstranger]

65. 'On our side?'

Seems as though she was all too willing to pitch all of us over the side on her radio appearance this morning.

Please note - she made no differentiation between supporters and detractors here on DU. She pretty much dismissed DU as a whole.

Doesn't sound like someone who's 'on our side,' if you ask me.

-as

[Igel]

66. Arrggghhhh ....

Such silliness.

Why does she have to be on "our" side to help achieve a DU-supported goal? Or why does not being on "our" side entail being on "their" side?

Take a clue from Lenin (not a person I personally like to emulate): the bolsheviks had no trouble using sectarian (religious) smuggling networks to get their literature, printed outside of Russia, into Russia. The groups smuggled Bibles and religious tracts, the Bolshevik material wasn't much more. Then, during and after the revolution, numerous groups and individuals with different long-term agendas and similar short-term goals worked together to advance mutual causes. Many were stupid enough to not see the divergence in long term goals, and those that did assumed that they wouldn't be resolved through the clever use of Black Marias and kangaroo courts. They didn't see the "with us or against us" mentality taking over in the late 20s, crescendoing around 1936.

These folks were called "fellow travellers". I'd like to think DU doesn't turn on its fellow travellers.

Now, if there's actual evidence (apart from "she's not doing what I want her to do") that she's committing fraud, report her. Unless non-profit regs have changed in the last 13 years, their books are open to inspection during regular business hours.

[Vinnie From Indy]

69. Bev on Our Side?

I hope it isn't the side my wallets on.