Rove took over Google News

[kuozzman]

Tell me this isn't wierd, I was searching Google news for "ohio election" and had various stories from the last few hours, then I refreshed it and all of a sudden this AP story (below) shows up from, I'd say, a few dozen papers. The wierd thing is that it's a story from monday! And it has the headline "Ohio Electors Vote Despite Challenge"! Another thing is, that the results for the old story said, for example, 11 Minutes ago, but it had only been a few minutes since I last refreshed and they weren't there the first time.

They're fightin!

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/10422702.htm

[meganmonkey]

1. You have to change from 'Sort by Relevance' to 'Sort by Date'

It probably put up the old story because the match was more precise.

[kuozzman]

4. No, It was on "sort by date" both times-I'm 100% positive!

[kuozzman]

7. See for yourself-look at the date......

OK, I swear to God that I just went to get a link and now they all say "Posted on Dec. 15" and 30 seconds ago, they said Dec. 13-I'M POSITIVE!! I literally looked at at least 5 different ones that said Dec. 13, now none do........

[eaprez]

2. I don't think Google did this -- they are a "BLUE" Company

[electropop]

3. I have a lot of faith in and respect for Google

I don't know their political affiliations, but all my experience dealing with them has been positive, both as a random user and in business dealings. Interviews with the founders always impress me too. Now, that's not saying it's impossible to hijack Google - remember when typing in 'miserable failure' brought up lots of George Bush pages? This took wide concerted effort though.

[kuozzman]

6. I've always loved google as well and I'm not saying

it was even them. I've always noticed that 50 pointless identical AP stories get posted when there is a lot breaking about the election fraud, that's not google's fault. I guess I should have clarified that he "took it over" by bombarding it with articles from Monday posted for today, which is probably something done by the media outlet-not google.

[electropop]

9. Yeah, I didn't think you were accusing them. Just my $.02 n/t

[whistle]

11. Google is a company run by managers and a CEO and....

...boards of Directors and executive VPs. The integrity factor you are referring to that has historically existed in both the rank (top) and file (grunts) is probably now in the grunts only while the top ranking executives have begun cutting deals and eying their stock option values as the company goes public. You can kiss off any consideration of principle by Google the corporate leader in the field of search engines if it means anything that will negatively impact the almighty dollar. Sorry to burst your bubbles fellow DUers, but that is just the way it is in corporate America. As for Rove sticking in his evil rotting fingers to manipulate news access, if Rove-Co has figured out how to do that with a secure search engine site like Google, cyber space is in a lot worse shape than even Richard Clark suggested in his book.

[Verve]

28. Google is definetely Blue! Type "miserable failure" and click the I Feel

Lucky icon.

Now tell me they are not Blue after you do this!

They are quite sneaky and funny!

[dewaldd]

37. But the WMD "I feel lucky" entry has changed.

It used to be that when you typed in "Weapons of Mass Destruction" and hit "I am feeling lucky," you would get a hilarious error message.

Now you get a serious page on WMD from the Monterrey Institute of International Studies--whoever they are.

Google has changed.

[bloom]

5. this would not surprise me.

[EMunster]

8. You're definitely right. I've been obsessed about this...wrote a post a..

days ago. I was just noticing how there's NEVER a mention of the voting problems on thier main news page. Just NADA. In fact, if you go to google news main. They'll substitute 18 hour stories on the oil spill rather than post anything about Ohio. And at least before you could click on the "US" for an extended list of national stories, and then the vote troubles would be there. Now, it's nowhere. Any casual observer would not stumble on it. you have to do a search for those stories to seem them.

Either Google's doing this or someone else (matrix?). It's definitely happening.


http://news.google.com/nwshp?gl=&ned=us&topic=n

[Helga Scow Stern]

10. I agree. You can't find it on their news page.

My daughter and her friends have been looking for stories about the election fraud using Google News and using that tool would make you think it doesn't exist.

[Quakerfriend]

12. This has all happened in the last week folks

Last week I Googled for a photo comparing Rove to an image from one of the terrorist tapes that had been posted on dkos on 10/29. I found it, and then went back 10 minutes later and it was gone.

That very day, a thread put up on dkos claims that someone called Google and they were told that they (Google) had received a request that info re dkos be removed from Google all together, because "They weren't really news, but just a far left leaning blog". Apparently, Google removed them because one person had contacted them to complain!

[Roger_Otip]

15. google's news search is not consistent

with the rest of their search philosphy since it requires them to make editorial decisions in deciding what sites should and shouldn't be included - their web search includes everything (as far as i know). their faqs don't give much info on this - http://news.google.com/intl/en_us/about_google_news.html - i'd like to see a list of sites that are included and the ones that have been excluded.

[EMunster]

20. I understand they deny there's any "person" making news judgments....

...that it's a software program. That never jived with the biases they show...until OHIO. They're probably telling the truth, but what's to keep them from keeping or limiting or making obscure some stories, while making others prominent? You know, flipping columns?

sound familiar?

also...

just so you know: nothing on Ohio from the main page, even in the "also news" sidebars....it is always like this. Even during the campaign. Kerry stories would appear, but they were in relation to swift boat, etc. We should demand access to Google software.

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[Roger_Otip]

13. the google news page only lists

stories from what they clasify as being official news sources - ie. has to be pretty mainstream. i remember a while ago indymedia were pissed off when google removed their sites from its news searches. so i don't think this is to do with rove directly, but it's a more deep rooted thing to do with this twisted view of what constitutes news - which goes way beyond google.

[EMunster]

14. I can understand the gray area with blogs, but it's the whole vertical

system is corrupt in relation to the msm...or at least I don't know because I'm dependent on Google to tell me whether a story exists or someone's reporting on something. What I'm finding is they're making it harder and harder to find certain stories. You have to screw around with other news searche engines to find them...t

[kuozzman]

16. The most obvious things is Monday's stories RE-DATED today!

[godel escher bach]

17. I doubt...

...Rove has time to fiddle with Google.

[godel escher bach]

18. I doubt...

...Rove has time to fiddle with Google.

[godel escher bach]

19. I doubt...

...Rove has time to fiddle with Google.

[EMunster]

21. I believe "rove" is being used more as a symbol...

[zann725]

24. Like the 'boogeyman'...he only has as much power as our imaginations give.

n/t:crazy:

[libertypirate]

22. The moonies try to post their stories after the others

The news gets posted over and over to move it up in the results of google and yahoo... It's a pretty common pattern they have used for months.

They simply move news off the screen,

Then they go to Sacramento to let the journalist know you dig and talk you end up suicided. It's not rocket science it's the pattern of a bully. If they all did and talk no one will get killed..

[EMunster]

23. That makes sense...

so unless one of the big msm outlets shotguns a story, we're going to have to search for it?

Not sure what you meant by your last sentence: "If they all did and talk no one will get killed.."

[libertypirate]

27. Sorry....

Sac, dude who investigated Iran Contra a * family crime, is now dead. It's an example to what happens if you talk, but if all talk they can't make them all dead.

[ccarter84]

25. my letter to google, crude, but sent

I know that you think dailykos isn’t a credible news source, but then why is rushlimbaugh.com included as one in your search results? Is there a way you guys could label such peripheral sources of information so that people are aware of it not being as balanced or credible, yet still include it?

I’m sorry I’m just reminded of the stories that you have censored your googlenews at china’s requests, and I cannot but help think that you might have mistaken that practice with your practices in the United States.

Thank you,
-CC

[Verve]

29. Please see reply 28 and google "miserable failure". They are Blue!!!

Make sure you click on their "I feel Lucky" icon. You will see they are Blue!

[Vinnie From Indy]

26. Google & China

There has been much written recently about Google's deal to operate in China. The alleged deal struck was that Google would censor critical stories of the Beijing Govt. on it's Chinese search engine. That makes sense in light of the recent heavy handed tactics the Chinese have used to mute free access to the Internet in China. I agree that the two guys that started Google appear to be Dems and that fact is puzzling. It could be that going public and the incredible growth of Google has allowed for subtle search result manipulation in regard to the news search results to be carried out without detection by the founders. It would also be logical to assume that one way for Rove to accomplish the task of manipulating Google news results would be under the guise of Homeland Security. It stands to reason that the NSA,CIA or FBI have some sort of program to monitor Google and they have probably had several meetings with Google people in regard to many aspects of Homeland Security. Once you get in the door, it is much easier to make yourself at home.

It is my understanding that since the algorithm is proprietary that proving manipulation would be difficult without someone on the inside or some sort of statistical comparison between other search engines and Google. It is logical to assume that the deal with the Chinese is accurate and that Google has the capability to censor news search results, but are they?

In regard to Karl Rove being too busy to fiddle with Google, I think not. Being able to censor, dampen or manipulate information being provided by the largest search engine in the world is not a trivial matter. It would be an immense strategic advantage for Rove to have this substantial choke point of information flow under his control or influence.

[Quakerfriend]

30. Yes, exactly!

especially since the only thing they can't totally control is the blogsphere!

[BreakForNews]

31. They are "Hands On" with Google right now.....

See Related
Google Censors VoteFraud Stories
http://www.breakfornews.com/articles/GoogleCensorsVoteFraud.htm

Kathy McMahon - who does the research here at BreakForNews.com
has been saying for the past couple of days that Google is being
much more heavily manipulated right now.

Seems like they are prefiltering the content
and massaging the front pages.

Yes, they are fighting.
Yes, we are winning ground daily.
Yes, Fallujah, Gary Webb and Scott Peterson
have already been cast on the pyre of diversions.

Yes, it's gonna be dirty.

Fintan Dunne, Editor
http://www.BreakForNews.com

[Verve]

32. Please google "miserable failure" and click on "I'm feeling lucky"

Although, sneaky, google is trying to get across to us they are not supportive of the prez!

[BreakForNews]

33. Bloggers did that.

They drove up the page rank of that page linked to the words 'Miserable failure."
Guess who runs Google? Lol

[Vinnie From Indy]

34. Irrelevant

If we assume that there is manipulation taking place on Google, I think it would also be safe to assume that the manipulators wouldn't be obvious about it. The fact that those terms come up means nothing. In fact, the search results for "miserable failure" and other like examples have been known for years on google. The phenomena of "Google Bombing" was first introduced years ago and "miserable failure" was on of the first big examples of how it could be done. Eliminating those results would FURTHER suspicion of manipulation not reduce it. Google is a much different animal than it was even just a few years ago.

[dewaldd]

35. It is Rove, all right!!!!!!!!!! The recount procedures have disappeared

from the Google search, too. Other search engines still find them. Try it!

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/news/guide/recount.pdf

search for "outline of ohio recount procedures"

I used to be able to find it easily, now it has disappeared from Google.

They have probably been bought up, and we don't even know.

[goclark]

36. I'll believe anything, it will get worse nt