Bev Harris on WNYC Radio now

[Freddie Stubbs]

http://www.wnyc.org

[katinmn]

1. sounds in control today n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

2. thank you

[hlthe2b]

3. If someone could summarize-- I can't listen in....

thanks!

[Meme]

25. And if someone could summarize

who Bev is, would be great :p (Im dutch, dont kick me :) I know she had a site or something like that and was working on investing voter fraud. I´ve seen a little piece of votergate, but I don´t get why some people are angry at her.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

37. Hi Meme!

Here ya go - this is a thread from last night with a bunch of info on Bev. It's pretty big, but there are all the details you need in it. :hi:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x158964

[Meme]

43. thanks :) gonna read it right now :)

[helderheid]

62. Hoi!

Leuk om je te "zien"!

[Meme]

99. heej :D en dankjewel

altijd leuk om een nederlander tegen te komen :) zullen we nu heel erg hard gaan roddelen over iedereen? ;)

[ohio_liberal]

4. I'm totally confused

BBV.org says its "ok to use the F word" but they have no real evidence of fraud?

[Pirate Smile]

5. Oh no, question about Olberman.

[Mojorabbit]

6. UH Oh

He is questioning her credibility. Saying not to believe Keith.

[absolutezero]

19. Hey mojorabbit

Welcome to DU :hi:

[Mojorabbit]

49. Thanks absolutezero

I have lurked for a long time. I'm normally not too chatty. :)

[genieroze]

7. She's calling KO a liar! eom

[ohio_liberal]

8. Yep n/t

[hlthe2b]

9. Ohhh, man........

:eyes: She really is self-destructive it seems!

[bunny planet]

81. Unfortunately her self destructiveness could be contagious to us, if she

is now trashing KO. I think we need to disavow our connection to her quickly before she burns all her bridges and ours too!

[SueZhope]

12. she said its cause she is women

this is a trip isn't it?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

45. I couldn't believe she fell back on that.

[Pobeka]

59. '... because I'm a woman and assertive".

That's why KO's staff were offended, according to Bev.

But this is impossible, she says they never tried to contact her, and here she's saying she offended them by her assertive nature when she talked to them.

Does not compute, does not compute... :crazy:

[demobabe]

60. last night on randi rhodes

randi said KO's staff was contacting HER trying to get hold of bev harris! randi said she couldn't get hold of bev, either and left three messages.

[IAMREALITY]

63. She Only Said It That Way Because She Knows She Can't Say

"Cause I'm a C*!?" on the radio.

[Norquist Nemesis]

13. Yep! She just lost all credibility with me on that one.

It's too bad because I'm sure she's done some good work. But that is beyond the pale and I have no doubt Olberman will take her down now. It's way too easy to prove they have had contact with her and their attempts to contact her.

[Pirate Smile]

29. She said he went on the air and said this stuff about her. It was on his

BLOG only.

[alexisfree]

10. evidence!!!

[henslee]

11. DU gets a plug!

[Pirate Smile]

14. Who is on her BOD?

Yes, I am under an assumed name. My real name is not Pirate Smile. LOL.

[Kelvin Mace]

77. Here is the BoD

Board of directors:
- Linda Franz (Washington state), with knowledge of HAVA and pending voting machine legislation;
- Jim March (California), with expertise in lobbying and computer programming. March has been heavily involved in analysis of the Diebold software, and testifies regularly at California
Voting Systems Panel hearings;
- Joseph M. Bailey III (Washington state), founder of an electrical workers union for people of
color
- Thalia Dudley (Washington state), a member of the Dudley family, an African-American family who has fought for the right to vote every generation for five generations;
- Vickie Karp (Texas), who is also chairperson for the Coalition for Visible Ballots, and recently made the news with a billboard campaign about the need for paper ballots
- Agrippa Williams (Washington state), renowned for his work keeping black history alive, and the recipient of many awards for outstanding citizenship (he once gave a kidney to a complete stranger in order to save his life.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1960084#1967764

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Pirate Smile]

85. Thanks, David.

[SueZhope]

15. holly crap

now its about DU
Not concerned about what a chat room has to say.

blame the dems?

[FogerRox]

Bev was on Randi's show last nite--

Randi had some problems w/bev, she name dropped DU as did Mike Malloy later tues -eve,

mike said BArtcop has had probs w/bev in the past --about 1 year ago

[alexisfree]

16. oh my....

She is not concern about a bunch of people??DU????? had to said??? hello! our money is a bunch of wasted shit???

[genieroze]

17. I'm not interested what people with fake names on a forum have to say

She was talking about DU.

[crispini]

26. LOL, anyone can find my name if they want.

It's in the "My Name Is" thread and is readily googleable. I don't hide.

[KyndCulture]

36. Hey Bev, My name is Lisa Knappe and I think you are full of SHIT n/t

[eowyn_of_rohan]

65. ...and I approve this message. ;) -nt

[freeplessinseattle]

93. lol! that's what my vm says, "you've reached the immoral minority and

I approved this message"

[crispini]

18. She's saying--

Finding things in Florida that implicate BOTH PARTIES. Including the Democrats. There are possibilities that BOTH PARTIES participated.

[AmerDem]

34. she said Dems only want the vote suppression angle

and that BOTH party probably benefited from the fraud. That's new. Geeze

[robbedvoter]

74. I'd like me a share of the dems benefit from this election

Could anyone sell me some?

[Loki]

20. I'm sorry Bev had to end it this way.

You can't keep screwing over the people that try to help you and remain credible. Sorry Bev, I'll look for my heros elsewhere.

[Mojorabbit]

21. He is mentioning DU

and her being banned.
She says lawsuits is place for info not media.
She is not concerned about what posters say.
People smearing are Dems. Both parties smearing.
Possible both parties involved.

I am not the best typist to transcribe.

[IAMREALITY]

22. Ohhhhhhhh asking about her credibility!

Says don't believe KO. Would love to see his phone records, they never contacted her. Says he even admitted some of it didn't happen, but rather than make a correction said she was belligerant.

Host: one of his criticisms is that you arent making public evidnece you supposedly have.

We did make it pulic in a lawsuit in volusia. THe appropriate form isn't running to air it on msnbc. The appropriate form is a lawsuit.

Question: Banned from DU for attacking posters and threatening lawsuits.

My credibility is excellent. Read the board of directors statement. I don't care what a bunch of people with fake names writes about me in a forum. What I care about is the evidence I have that shows problems.

ALso these smear things are happening from people aligned with Dems. THe dems want to focus on surpression that doesn't hold up in court. We are looking at the machines and we are finding guilt from both parties.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

39. Christ she's really fudging up here own credibility...

Has anyone ever taught her how to STFU???

[Pirate Smile]

23. Ha, the Dem's have the problems with the machines. Who owns those

damn things anyway?

[propagandafreegal]

24. Brian should have asked why she wasn't working with Conyers nm

[Broken Acorn]

27. She's a liar about people and her work

I'm sorry, but I heard her on RR last night and now this morning on WNYC.

He allegations are totally sketchy. I do think there is fraud in Florida, but her explanations are totally off.

I really wonder if she's a GOP plant to ward us off the real fraud.

[Straight Shooter]

28. Not concerned with a bunch of people with "fake names"

who write "whatever they want" on a forum.

Holy cheeit, Bev, thanks for the uplifting comment about those who supported you for so long. You swiped Keith, you swiped Dem Underground.

:nuke:

[katinmn]

33. Whoa! She shot herself in the foot. What a nasty thing to say

about the people that supported her effort and believed in her.

[HEAVYHEART]

53. AND THAT GAVE HER MONEY!

What a fucking bitch!!! :grr:

[alexisfree]

41. I know....f* ck

that really piss me off "bunch of people with fakes names" but this bunch of people had donated money for her stupid ass!!! :grr: :grr: :nuke: :nuke:

[KerryDownUnder]

51. I guess it's a good thing my name really is Kerry

;)

[eowyn_of_rohan]

67. and she is detrimental to our cause.

What despicable behavior...

[Kelvin Mace]

82. I love how flexible her attackers are

I post under my own name and always had just som people can't make that accusation. One of the BevBots was attcking me last week for flaunting my name and URLs.

Jeebus!

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[robbedvoter]

90. So, your name is plan9_pub then?

Just kidding. I am a robbed voter, but my name is not that - so, yeah, she caught me there - guilty! (but not giving her money - I was on to her on that one!)

[ohio_liberal]

30. Well that was interesting

She implies that websites/people affiliated with the Democratic party are out to smear her

[Must_B_Free]

86. My read is different

She may have been saying that with people under fake name - you don't know who you are really dealing with.

I think the suggestion is that detractors can pose as Dem Activists to discredit her.

One has to wonder why, if she is truly so bad, the board of directors nixed Andy and not her...

Why did Randi kow that Andy Stephenson was not with BBV any more when apparently Bev and Andy each claim to have found out after the fact. Bev did sound surprised when Randi told her this and Andy claimed he only heard this when he read the announcement on BBV last night.

Someone seems to be lying, but apparently the Board of BBV sides with Bev.

[smartvoter]

31. She said it's Dems who are trying to kill her efforts. nt

[Kelvin Mace]

84. Yeah, John Kerry rigged the election

so he would lose.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
www.plan9.org
www.blackboxvoting.com
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Kralizec]

32. You guys have isolated Bev enough. I think it's time we let her run her

course. If she really has something, then we'll all regret hampering her efforts, NO MATTER HOW SHE ACTED. If she has nothing, she will go down, alone, in a ball of fire. Why must we keep adding to the fire when there is no need to? Let's continue our work and let her continue ours. My opinion is that people have started taking things personally. Step back, relax, re-evaluated, and re-focus. Don't waste any more time trying to convince others of Bev's credibility, or lack thereof.

[Mojorabbit]

40. Regardless

All this public posting obviously has already hampered her credibility whether deserved or not. If she does find something it will be twice as hard for anyone to take her seriously. That is the bottom line.
A shame all the way around.

[crispini]

44. Well, because a lot of people GAVE HER MONEY.

That's kind of personal. But, yeah, I wish it would die down.

[Kralizec]

50. I understand people have a reason to be mad. But so far, from what I have

seen, the infighting is causing more problems than good. I hate to say this, but if you gave $$$ then it may be lost. But I promise you that if you totally undercut Bev, that $$$ would now be guaranteed to be lost. Might as well give that $$$ you gave a chance to work. Just tryinyg to help...

[hlthe2b]

56. I appreciate your sincerity which underscores my own feelings in terms

of hoping Bev is successful regardless of all the bad blood. But, I will gently admonish you that there is so very very much well-documented history that I believe you are not aware. Thus, you may get some angry responses from others who are frustrated at many pre-judging without all the facts. Just a little gentle heads up, Kralizec.

[Kralizec]

70. On the contrary -- I assure you that I have followed every Bev thread

here and fully understand both sides of the argument. Now, claiming that I am open to flaming assumes that I have taken sides. If that is the case, if others have reached that conclussion, let me reach out to stop the foolishness now. I am not taking sides. I am saying that making Bev look worse than she already looks does absolutely no good at all. In fact, if I'm taking anyone's side, it's DUs. No good at all, at all, can come from shoving Bev's face into the mud with our shoe.

Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.

[hlthe2b]

73. Just trying to forewarn you that to have followed ALL the threads on this

issue would take countless countless hours going through the archives. I finally did so a few weeks back and found some very unpleasant history to bolster many of the concerns you see here. I'd been totally unaware of what had transpired-- and I've been a regular on DU since Feb, 2001.

Not a pleasant experience to read some of this, but for those who feel strongly that they have been aggregiously impacted by Bev, your sincerely felt thoughts might not be too welcome. However, it sounds like you have your "flame-proof" suit on, so I won't worry about you!

[Old Mouse]

64. very good point

I'm getting flamed to hell and back for trying to articulate that.

I DONATED money, and when I see lawsuits filed in Florida I think it was well spent.

[merwin]

66. Do you know how many FOIA requests she's made?

Those are NOT cheap. She's been buying up the results left and right.

[mom cat]

61. Thank you for your post. Why should we feed Rove? Let him do his own work!

Bev has done a lot of work in bringing this issue up in the first place. She might not have the best people skills, but try walking in her moccasins for a mile before hurling boulders!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

69. She's doing a good enough job feeding Rove by herself

Doesn't need our help

[Old Mouse]

76. Thank you

Thank you thank you thank you.

Most eloquent and concise. This issue is a divisive, destructive juggernaut.

[JohnnyCougar]

79. Um, please stop projecting.

Bev is isolating herself with her belligerent, selfish actions. There is no reason this should be turned around on DU.

I was willing to give her credit until she turned on Olbermann. Now she has turned on Andy. And DU. Not to mention all the people she has singlehandedly turned on in the past.

We are isolating her? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!

[Kelvin Mace]

87. Let me sum up what you are saying

1) We should allow a person who is a demonstrated liar continue to "run her course" since she just might stop lying and do some good?

2) That for some reason, pointing out Bev's lies is preventing us from working on BBV?

3) All the evil she does will be perfectly OK as long as she delivers the goods?

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Kralizec]

98. Then keep feeding the cycle. I can't say anything more than I already have

nt

[carolinalady]

35. He cut her off in the middle of her DU tinfoil hat speech. n/t

[rockedthevoteinMA]

46. He cut her off?? n/t

[carolinalady]

52. Yep--started talking over her stating her name ,etc like they do

at the end of the interview. Thanks her then she says Thankyou and done.

[sunnystarr]

38. She said BOTH Dems and Repugs are responsible for

irregularies ergo fraud????

[Freddie Stubbs]

42. That is what she said

[Name removed]

57. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[mom cat]

68. That could be behind at least some of the at tacts on her. I have not

seen any evidence that was DU's motive..I do remember Bev's threats to sue if there were any more copyright infringemtnts..She was referring to some posts by some over eager DUers who posted things with BBV's logo. Bev was upset that people might confuse her work with the posts of others. I believe that the posts were well intentioned and that Bev had a right to stop copyright infringements. Her style was abrasive, but it takes an abrasive person to do what she has done.
As for today, we need to stay focused on our task, which is to push the fraud issue into the media spotlight. We can tune into the action or tune into the soap opera.

[Pastiche423]

75. Bev does NOT have a copyright on BBV

She did NOT invent the logo.

She threatened to sue the Owner and Admin of DU. That helps out the cause, how?

I, for one, will not take her shovel away. Let her keep on digging herself deeper.

[Must_B_Free]

91. "Bev had a right to stop copyright infringements"

I think at one point she even stated that she had an OBLIGATION to stop copyright infringements. I agreed with the logic behind this - any misusage of her org name could expose the organization to jeopardy in regards to its nonprofit status. So she had to protect not only herself, but also the effort s of those who had contributed money and effort to her organization.

This issue was blown WAY out of proportion in its use against her.

[AtLiberty]

47. I've been skimming through these Bev threads...

I'm willing to give her benefit of the doubt.

Bev is human. She makes mistakes. She has bad days. Let's give her more time.

[Kelvin Mace]

89. You haven't read the evidence, obviously. Skimming

is not acceptable. You have to read the evidence like you would for a jury trial.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[hlthe2b]

48. So Dems are the problem now and out to get her???????

Why does this all sound so reminiscent of Zell Miller? Is she trying to salvage some kind of future with the Repugs?

[crispini]

54. Zell Miller, future host on Faux Snooze.

How I hate Rupert Murdoch. :grr:

[hlthe2b]

58. So, not a surprise.... (unfortunately)

[Must_B_Free]

92. Perhaps she was referring to Zell Miller type Dems

[ohio_liberal]

55. If I were a "fake" name

from DU who gave her money I would maybe think about asking for a refund :shrug:

[fishnfla]

71. which is worse?

betrayal of a friendship or betrayal of a country?

The cult of personality that was Bev Harris must diminish so that the cause can go on.....

[trudyco]

72. Well I never could get to her site to give - but I believe the dems

probably engaged in a little voter fraud. Maybe a few fake names or something. But given that the machines are owned by RW'ers I'd say the big potatoes - Election Fraud - was done by the repubs. Did she ever clarify how the dems were frauding? Fl does have a bad reputation to upkeep, ya know. Banana republic.

trudyco

[robbedvoter]

80. Wow! Thanks for the unsupported sliming. We needed that, Bevie.

[Zan_of_Texas]

88. Regardless of Bev

I believe the Dems would be out in front fighting election fraud if they were blameless here.

Think about it.

Who is fighting election fraud? The parties left out of the deals to fix the elections - Green, Libertarian, Independent. Not the Dems. Not the DNC. Not the chair of the Dem Party where I live, who I met with personally.

So, regardless of Bev, just be aware that in order to get our democracy back, we will have to throw ALL the crooks out of the vote-counting temple. ALL, without exception, regardless of party.

Let the evidence be revealed, and the chips fall where they may.

Keep your eye on the ball, and don't let the squabbling distract you.

[robbedvoter]

96. Pure BS! Fear is not always guilt. Cowards are not necessarily

thieves. Sorry, but you are as out of orser as Bev.

[blueheeler]

78. If she would only release the info.......

Maybe there are things against Dems. If so, I want to know that too. I want to know everything but she is taking her time and it looks too suspicious. I am a little hardened by her actions but still wish to hear everything that is found out and proven to be true. I do not support HIS fraud and I do not expect it from my party either. We are supposed to be the ethical, caring ones.I just want this all to end and go back to normal life, whatever that will be once this ends????

[ohio_liberal]

83. Yes, its very strange

If you have some evidence of supression or other fraud (I'm assuming this is true after the BBV.org breathless memos that it's OK to use the "F" word), there is a complete lack of reporting of fraud/suppression in the media and you want to get your message out to the public, why wouldn't you give at least some part of it up? Didn't Arnebeck? It just doesn't make sense to hold your cards so close to the chest. I realize they have lawsuits going on in FL, but surely there is SOME real evidence that can be shared with the public? Something...anything???

[n69n]

95. waiting for Randi Rhodes today!!!!

i am on TENTERHOOKS waiting for Randi Rhodes today!!!!

[weeve]

94. INEXCUSABLE

I feel bad that I forwarded info on BBV to a caring friend who then donated money she couldn't really afford to Bev's cause.
Hopefully SOMETHING will come of the thousands of $$ that BBV accepted.
Bev's "bunch of people with fakes names" comment , plus the assertion bringing the Dems down to the Repubs slimey level ...
INEXCUSABLE !
Time to take a little break Bev ... may I suggest Disney World ?
STOP sliming us on the airwaves. Buh-bye.

[troubleinwinter]

97. Pffftttt....

"bunch of people with fakes names"

Ummm... Bev, I don't think those were "fake names" on all the donation checks from DUers who had believed in you. That is a direct slap in the face of those here who answered your solictations for $$$.