Why is Ted Kennedy not standing up against the fraud?

[RaulVB]

He could make the stand that needs to be made.

He served his country for a long time, has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO LOSE, and he would be on the senate only for few more years anyways.

Why not, considering how grave is this crisis!

[libertypirate]

1. Too many people don't like him,

he should stay away...

[Kralizec]

4. People don't like him only because he is a Kennedy and the right

has been, since his brothers died, doing everything in it's power to associate that name to a negative image. It's disgusting.

[libertypirate]

16. Car accident lady died, many see it as Ted's fault.

[bywho4who]

32. Killed HER BEST FRIEND

Laura * killed her best friend in a serious crash the BITCH WAS DRUNK

Shes still a fucking DRUNK they just cover it so you wont know.

Also * got A Texas black woman prego, when she tried to get the story out she was found dead in her apartment. Weigh that against what you want. I will always have more evidence lots more!





:smoke: :hippie:

[cali]

36. Make accusations like this

you ought to provide evidence. And you can't. Yes. Laura Bush killed someone in an accident. Where's the evidence that she was DUI, and where's the evidence that she's an alcoholic today? Same goes for the tales about GWB impregnating this woman who ended up dead. Put up evidence from a reputable source or shut up. This is no better than the right wingnut's accusations against the Clinton's. Same tune, different words. Man, I hate having to come to the defense of bushco. I'm not doing it for them. I'm doing it in defense of principle. Saying you have evidence ain't the same as producing it.

[BrainRants]

7. IMHO, I agree.

Rove did a good job honking the whole "Massachusetts Liberal" thing all over the airwaves over the past 6 months, I think Teddy would be a distraction.

I would like to see him invoke the "What is a Liberal" speech his big Bro' John gave a little more often http://pages.zdnet.com/trimb/id36.html

Worth the read every now and then...

[libertypirate]

17. Not for this reason but above,

We would even turn off moderates and liberals with Ted.

[Verve]

2. Hmmmm! Do you think he's ever covered up anything? n/t

[Generator]

3. He is part of the establishment

Martin Luther King didn't change things by keeping his political postition, now did he?

To buck the entire legitmacy of this government, you think Teddy has that in him? It would mean he would lose his job! (maybe,probably) Courage is so fucking rare. Getting a clue now how Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany happened?

They wanted to keep their jobs!

[Freddie Stubbs]

6. If his political career could survive chappaquiddick...

it can survive this. It may be that he simply does not believe that the election was stolen.

[Generator]

8. Nope a personal scandal

Even involving dead women does not trump power.

Him bucking those in power-I'm mean the power of these people that let an American tragedy happen and then use it to lie and propagandize the American people for the forseeable future-those people are not letting go so easily.

And some around here actually are upset we call them "the dark side".

Hah. I really am thinking we average folk have no idea what we are up against. And I'm thinking John Kerry does, and that's why he quit. He was right-it was hopeless. It was a shot in the dark at best, and because of how easily people are led-the propaganda won.

There is no way to win against this evil but going for broke. And there are not many that have that in them. Principal before power? You must be joking. This country is a sham.

[Freddie Stubbs]

20. So, you think that Kennedy would lose reelection in 2006 if

he were to challenge the election results?

[joeunderdog]

22. Only if he got Diebolded. n/t

Kerry, on the other hand...

If he won't stand up for himself and a fair democratic process, then why should we believe he'll stand up for us?

[Freddie Stubbs]

29. So, if the results are going to be fixed, he might as well speak up anyway

[Eye_on_prize]

34. bingo! this is ultimate 'test' if u will for Kerry, so he must show his...

true colors in order to claim his rightful office. If Kerry doesn't rise to this fateful occasion, and caves into this hijacking of democracy, I hope he doesn't insult my intelligence by running in 2008. Another Faux Election with Kerry playing role of Dems 'hero' anyone? pleeez. How better to further cheapen the Democratic Party -- not to mention telegraphing to the whole watching world that US democracy is officially a sham.

[whometense]

30. Sorry?

Kerry quit? When did that happen?

Seriously, if you think Kerry quit you know nothing about the man. He does not know the meaning of the word - he is a stealth bulldog.

[Dark Secret]

35. Ted's Career is Safe here in Mass. But there are other problems...

Many problems:

1. Many people don't like him for any number of political and personal reasons.
2. Fraud protest would be painted by the wingers as a Liberal hallucination.
3. Ted has a lot of "baggage" that could taint any protest. I need not elaborate further here.
4. I'm sure he suspects fraud, but possibly doesn't feel there is enough hard evidence with which to go forward.

[Freddie Stubbs]

37. #4 is probably the most reasonable explanation

No one is going to want to step up unless they can prove it with rock-solid evidence that Kerry won. Unless someone can produce such evidence, this is all going no where.

[RaulVB]

5. Sure, he is not popular...

And that is a very important "asset" on his case.

He could do anything he wants, just have some courage to do it would be enough.

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[pgh_dem]

12. actually

What leads you to think Ted Kennedy would be all over it?
Was he all over the 2000 election?
Just another professional politician.

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[mdb]

11. I don't know.

What I do know is that Repubs love e-voting machines. If nothing is done Repubs will rule for as long as nothing is done. That sounded rather obvious.

http://www.theemailactivist.org/voter_fraud.htm

Lying With Ones and Zeros

What if you were a reporter and you learned that the Republican candidate for Georgia’s governorship won the election of 2002 even though polls indicated that his Democratic opponent was likely to beat him by a margin of 9 to 11 points?

And what if you learned that in the same state, in the same year, a Republican candidate for Senator defeated his Democratic opponent, even though the Dem was expected to win by a 2 to 5 point margin?

And what if you learned that in 2002, Georgia became the first state in the U.S. to use computerized touch-screen voting machines in all of its election districts? Well, if you were a good reporter, you’d probably talk to the election officials who counted the votes, wouldn’t you?

And what if you learned that Georgia’s votes were not counted by state election officials but were instead counted by employees of the private corporation that manufactured and programmed the computerized voting machines? After you picked yourself up off the floor, you’d probably ask to see the paper voting records, right?

And what if you learned that those machines produced no paper voting records and that there is no way whatsoever to verify that they recorded the votes accurately?

And, what if you learned that the company which sold those voting machines to Georgia, and which counted Georgia’s votes, is a big contributor to the Republican Party? In fact, it turns out that the three largest manufacturers of touch-screen voting machines are all major contributors to the Republican Party.

If all that were true, you’d probably start smelling the foul stench of election fraud, wouldn’t you?

Well, everything you just read is true. Shockingly true. The reporter is Andrew Gumbel, and the three corporations at the heart of this stunner are Diebold Election Systems, Sequoia Voting Systems, and Election Systems and Software (ES&S). (You can read Gumbel’s full story here.)

http://www.theemailactivist.org/voter_fraud.htm

[ClarkUSA]

13. I Called His Staff regarding the GAO letter, Faxed Them Info, and NADA

This was in the two weeks following the election.

[theboss]

14. If his old man were still alive, we would control the voting machines

Maybe he has a weird admiration for such things.

[seshers]

15. appear non-partisan

The recount effort needs to appear non-partisan. The alternative would look a lot like Gore 2000 and we don't want that again

[dewaldd]

18. The Dems have been playing with GOP in the cheating game all along--

isn't it obvious to everyone by now?

Ocham's razor. Why else would the be mum?

Visit www.votescam.com

[MarkusQ]

31. His dad said the "Don't steal one vote more than you need to" line. n/t

[joeunderdog]

19. If John Kerrry doesn't care enough to, why should Ted?

I'm really getting pissed that Kerry hasn't stepped up. Cryptic messages, rah-rah cheerleading and notes from your lawyer don't constitute the kind of defiance and leadership we need to get this story into everyone's livingroom.

If he goes quietly, especially amidst all of these people putting their own futures on the line to expose the fraud, I will be more pissed at him than the Chimp himself.

Get off your ass, Kerry. Let's roll.

[OKthatsIT]

21. Ted should stand up because he was Kerry's other

I think Hillary should stand up on Jan 6th, too. She should remind Congress of her attempt to STOP electronic machines until they are fully secured in the following plan she introduce last year:

http://clinton.senate.gov/~clinton/news/2003/2003C11950.html

[HEAVYHEART]

23. Fuck him

Fuck em all. Add his name to the Silence of The Dems thread. :grr:

[molly]

24. What did you have for brunch?

that's one great big supportive attitude you have there!

[HEAVYHEART]

26. ..

Please don't tell me about attitude. I'm pissed, I'm tired, I'm here and I'm not going away. I have every right to be pissed off right now. If I wanted your opinion on my attitude, I would have asked for it. And don't tell me about support because you don't know what I've done or who I am.

[molly]

27. I only know how you appear

we've all been thru a lot - we've had another election stolen and you do have every right to be pissed about that. But, you have no right to attack - you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.

[HEAVYHEART]

28. ..

If you really think that I have every right to be pissed off, you would not have started this back and forth bullshit. I did not attack YOU. I said fuck Ted Kennedy for being silent and any other dem leader out there who is silent about election fraud. I have every goddamn right to voice MY opinion just like other posters on this forum. It's called freedom of speech.

You're right, I have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. DO YOU? Look, I'm not interested in your opinion on how I "appear". And who the hell are you to judge me anyway? Never mind, don't answer.

[demo dutch]

33. Strategy Strategy Strategy.....!!!