why did all those tabulators-- computers, running software...

[mike_c]

...require "adjustment" before the recount? A statement from Triad on Democracy Now this morning said that it was standard practice to adjust the tabulators prior to any recount. Just what were they adjusting? If the software was configured improperly (at least in an obvious way) it would have malfunctioned on Nov. 2, and in any event surely the Ohio elections officials have more sense than to simply let ANYONE tamper with the software during the period between the original vote and the recount-- I mean, they cannot all be that clueless. Other than tampering with the software, what possible "adjustment" might the equipment need? Has anyone asked Triad to clarify this? What sort of adjustment does every computer that "worked" on Nov. 2 need before being input the same data again to recount?

[BoomerSoonerOKU]

1. Explanation

They adjust them to only count the presidential votes.

[pointsoflight]

2. Which is completely unnecessary.

Who cares if the machines output the votes in the other races?

[BoomerSoonerOKU]

3. I didn't say

it was necessary. He asked why, I answered.

[BrotherBuzz]

6. Yes, completely unnecessary, in fact viewing the....

total results in all the races might just produce some interesting results that vary from the original tally, and should lead to further diagnostic examination of the machines. Evidence. Hey, I can dream, can't I?

[mike_c]

4. ahhh-- but why would it matter?

Isn't the possibility of concealing evidence-- or even just accidentally causing errors-- more important than the consequences of a bunch of spurious zeros in the columns that nobody's interested in anyway?

[renaissanceguy]

15. No, it is important

to tabulate the other races because it can reveal the real intent of the voter (i.e. if the presidential race was hacked, but not the others).

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[kuozzman]

5. Read this about Triad GSI in FL 1988-same thing!

My Blog: http://ignorantusa.tripod.com/triad/

Also new info on different FL based TRIAD
Tactical Resources In American Democracy
-GOP PAC in 90s-discovered the 527
-now specialize in software

[donkeyotay]

8. very interesting, kuozzman

Citrus Times, 1992:
Triad, or Tactical Resources in American Democracy was founded in 1995, Triad was a profit-making company that funnelled money into Congressional races through two tax-exempt groups associated with it, mainly Citizens for Reform and Citizens for the Republic Education Fund.

Neither of the two nonprofit groups associated with Triad was active before the 1996 election. One existed only on paper as of Oct. 11, 1996, when it opened a bank account.

In the next 20 days, from Oct. 11 to Oct. 31, the group, Citizens for Reform, received $1.6 million from Triad donors in 12 bank transactions. By Oct. 31, $1.4 million of this money had been spent on advertisements, documents show. A second Triad-affiliated nonprofit group received $1.7 million in late October for television attack advertisements.

and from the Financial Times, 1987:

Personal and business creditors are closing in on Mr Adnan Khashoggi, the Saudi arms dealer who claims to have lost millions of dollars from financing the secret sale of US weapons to Iran.

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They love to play shell games with these names. If that Triad can be linked to this one...my. my.

[kuozzman]

9. Get this.......

Triad Merged with Cooperative Computing Inc. (CCI)
they became CCITriad
CCITriad AKA John Whelpley and Associates' computer services
http://www.whelpley.com/

Wheepley just retired in St. Petersburg, FL-imagine that!
Website says he is a Republican.

Look at their fuckin payment policy! Pay if you want????

Our Triad Ultimate Pricing:
Our terms are simple. When we complete the project we'll send you a bill.

Standard Per Hour Rate............128.50
GSA or Local Gvt Prepaid Rate.....75.00

We won't expect you to pay us unless we did a good job for you. We won't expect you to pay us anything in advance. Not even expenses. You will always know in advance what we are going to cost and what to expect from what we do for you. We're so confident you will like what we did for you we'll guarantee it. If we didn't do a good job for you, tell us. No questions asked. We'll cancel the bill and apologize for our screw-up.

We expect you to pay us on receipt of our bill. If you wait more than 10 days to pay us, the rate goes up.We don't have an accounts receivable and never will. If you don't pay us, and don't tell us why, thats ok too. We'll assume we did something wrong and not bother you in the future.

[donkeyotay]

14. some very odd people are running our democracy.... nt

[donkeyotay]

17. Tactical Resources in American Democracy

Now what kind of people would consider our sacred right to vote a tactical resource... hmmm... I remember hearing some tinfoil hat conspiracy theory crap about some kind of complex, some kind of need for national security that operates without oversight - but for our own good of course.

[jamboi]

7. Hmmm... sounds fishy to me. Needs investigation. n/t

[kuozzman]

10. What I found so wierd was that the Triad in the article w/ Saudi

arms dealer-Triad America-says it owns Edgington Oil. So does
Triad Management Systems! At some point in the various articles, a characteristic of one would mean it is the same as another, meaning they are all the same thing?

Triad Management Systems
Triad America
Triad Discount Buying

AND of course the original Tactical Resources In American Democracy

Then current: CCITriad

[rumpel]

11. I was also wondering why only the presidential race is recounted

since there is so much more information to glean out of all the results such as voter inclinations, other democratic races etc.

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and if this was standard practice?

[texpatriot2004]

12. And why did he start off with the hardware issue then end up

asking about software?

About the BOElections and them not letting people "tamper" with the machines. I worked the election and my mother worked early voting. My experience (and hers too) was that the people running the elections are not, by and large, computer literate, much less skilled. I don't think they know. I think that they develop a relationship with the vendor and mostly turn the technical side over to them. That was our experience.

[zimba]

13. What I dont understand is that

the triad tech asked which precincts were being recounted and worked on the machine after hearing which. But the EOs decided to recount a different precinct and everything still came out okay. Hmmm

[carolinalady]

16. does anyone have a copy of the official OH rules for recounts?