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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 08:21 PM
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Professor of Computer Science Douglas Jones asserts that Triad Election...
......Systems' visits to local Board of Elections compromises the credibility and integrity of the Ohio recount.

Affidavits posted by Raw Story at:

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/programmer_1215.php

This is starting to rock, everyone.

Peace.

"I'm an American patriot, not a pro-fraud theocrat"
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 08:27 PM
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1. Doug Jones is very credible
this is a very trustworthy man.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:31 AM
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7. This is a smoking gun for fraud in Ohio election; needs followup & public
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pgh_dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:55 AM
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18. Conyers letter
Yikes! Anybody else catch the end of Conyers letter (reprinted in above truthout.org link) where it says that "A Triad affiliate, Psephos corporation, supplied the notorious butterfly ballot used in Palm Beach County, Florida, in the 2000 presidential election. "
Coincidence #9,184,837,638,227
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:06 PM
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22. Even more interesting
is that the Psephos corporation has been selling the infamous Florida "butterfly ballot" as election memorabilia on the internet.

http://www.xeniashopper.com/PsephosFLkit.htm
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pgh_dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:28 PM
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24. shameless... n/t
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read the law first Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 09:09 PM
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2. A darn fine affidavit
Now that's an expert affidavit!

The hole that we've got to be ready to plug is "How did what somebody is alleged to have done three or four weeks after the election call the election into doubt?" Especially when they repicked the precincts after this happened and used different precincts than the one that was potentially corrupted.

In essence, if you quarantined the problem and everything else turned out identical, aren't we limited to just a few votes in one precinct?

Before everybody goes nuts and flames me, this is what lawyers do in preparing cases (at least it's what I do). How is the other side going to attack us and when they say we're weak here or there how are we going to respond? What are our weaknesses and what can we do to turn them into strengths?

What if the repugs say WE staged it? (You know that's what Rove is gonna say) How are we going to respond? Do we have really good ID on the guy? Did he show ID to anybody? How did he get into a secure area in the first place? Who let him in and why? Did somebody recognize him? Are there security cameras that took his picture? What was he wearing? Did he have an identification badge? Does TRIAD admit or deny that they had employees in the area? What kind of car did he drive? License plates?

A dang fine expert affidavit!
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:42 AM
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10. "What if the repugs say WE staged it?"
It matters not what they say. It has been compromised. It's screwed up. Ruined election because of fraud or incompetence. Ruined recount.
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kerry2win Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:49 AM
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11. would it matter if it was illegal to touch the machines
in the 1st place? and how can we know it's been quarantined for sure?
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:55 AM
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12. Trying to plug...
"How did what somebody is alleged to have done three or four weeks after the election call the election into doubt?"

Because the recount's results would supersede the certified results.


In essence, if you quarantined the problem and everything else turned out identical, aren't we limited to just a few votes in one precinct?

Apparently not, the Conyers investigation seems to have evidence that it was done in all the counties -- http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=497

"It" was done -- WHAT was done? We don't know. We can guess, but unless a forensics expert looks at those damned computers, we don't know what "it" is that was done. No court of law would just accept the word of the defendant. (I know this isn't a criminal trial, but you get what I'm trying to say, I hope.) They'd want evidence.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:55 AM
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15. If they say we staged it, fine - lets recount, by hand, all the ballots
that leaves the "democratic infected computers" out of it.

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read the law first Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:14 PM
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26. That's what I'm in favor of a hand recount.
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:39 PM
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3. ROCK ON.
:kick:
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:25 AM
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4. I wonder if Joe Scarborough
would say that he wears a tin foil hat, too?
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:31 AM
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8. Joe "What happened to your intern" Scarborough n/t
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godel escher bach Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:26 AM
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5. So what ?
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:29 AM
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6. Care to elaborate on your query?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:58 AM
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19. My, My... your certainly a wet blanket
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:33 AM
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9. This is terrific news! This is the guy that Indy Op has been promoting.
Doug Jones is the one to ferret out all those nasty little contradictions that Blackwell & Crew insinuated into the election process.

:thumbsup:
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:41 AM
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13. kick! nm
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WhoWantsToBeOccupied Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:36 AM
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14. My first-ever "kick!"
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:57 AM
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16. Prof. Jones of Iowa has been a great
He has been a great resource for our cause. In addition he has done extensive research on electronic voting systems, and has a wealth of info to share. Plus he responds to your emails! :-)


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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:41 AM
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17. Maybe Triad just tainted the precincts it DIDN'T want counted-eom
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:59 AM
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20. Kick it! n/t
:kick:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:01 PM
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21. Good point, that could be what they did.
:freak: :think:
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:06 PM
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23. If Triad tainted precincts it didn't want counted
The only possible rectification for that is to count ALL precincts, and make a comparison of final vote tally to recount tally.

What Triad has done, they have placed a drop of ink into a glass of milk. Now you can't separate the ink from the milk.
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:40 PM
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25. Nothing about the Ohio Vote
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 02:41 PM by Kellis
can be seen as legit now.The American public needs to Demand a re-count/re-vote.
The Republicans should be ashamed of themselves.SOMETHING happened in Ohio to the vote...What are they??Stupid??

If they believe Bush won fair and square what exactly is the problem here with a recount!!?????
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