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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:21 PM
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Hmm, think it's time to move on?
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 10:32 PM by pointsoflight
Give this a read, then tell me what you think. (Not my words, by the way. Just passing this on.)

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"...I and a great many others believe that something profoundly wrong occured in Ohio. We are haunted by the events of 2000. Our party in her entirety did not rise and stand in 2000 in the halls of congress and challenge Florida's electors. Not one senator stood with the black representatives whose constituents came to the polls in astounding numbers...And now, in 2004 our black brothers and sisters have once again faced hurdles that no man or woman should face on election day. If we are a nation of equals then we have all failed. Our party failed her african american voters in 2000, now will it do so again? Let us pray not...

To all of those intimidated on election day, to every african-american who came to vote and was harrased by GOP lawyers simply for being black and a Kerry voter, to every college kid in ohio and elsewhere who recieved bogus calls from republicans telling them not to vote because of no registration, and for every black who waited for 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 hours in line simply to cast their ballots while most white Bush voters had little problem cast their vote, I say this: the term "Fuck Ohio" is saying "Fuck you" to them...

Shelia Jackson Lee, the honorable congresswoman from Houston, who has signed many letters to Ken Blackwell demanding fairness and equality, is a woman of great diginity. She sat on the Judiciary committee during Clinton's impeachment, and spoke with words of power and elegance about the situation at hand. The honorable Jackson Lee saw beyond the disgusting smears of Kenneth Star and fought the hard fight against the Republican men of the U.S. House of Representatives whose sole goal was not to preserve the Constitution but to obliterate the elected popular president Bill Clinton. This was attempted not out of an understanding of the true meaning of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors," but out of their desire to hunt down and destroy him and his wife (a woman who continues to remain a role model for women: be independant, smart, and express your opinions, for women are the equal of men.) The Clintons stood for something those conservatives hate: they were (are) fierce defenders of the impoverished, the ever pressed middle class, and not the rich white men who are always trying to assert their dominence over the the peoples of this great nation. The Clintons are also Baptists. They go to church and read the Bible every Sunday, and the GOP conservatives simply could not stand a man of poise, a man who was more articulate in discussing the Bible and its values than they were.

The honorable Jackson Lee saw the GOP for what it was then and sees that party for what it is now: one which will stop at nothing for power. Nothing. It does not matter if a black mother has to wait for hours to simply cast a ballot, and then must walk away because its time to run home and feed her children. The lines that our African-American brothers and sisters stood in was a form of intimidation, we know that now with certainty, as revelations reveal there were dozens more voting machines which were simply never used and to this day we have not been given a reasonable answer as to why these men and women had to wait in monsterous, exhaustive lines to cast their rightful votes...

Too many black boys and girls were blown up, lynched, beaten, and raped by a white society which allowed their repression to go on for too many long years. It took from 1865, and the death of some 600,000 men, to 1965 to finally be given their right as Americans to vote. Lyndon Johnson, the leader of our party some thirty odd years ago bravely ensured through the Civil Rights Acts the right for all men and women to go to the polls to vote without being harassed by white men, to go to the polls and be able to cast their ballots with no obstruction, to go and vote with the same dignity and respect as every white man and woman had in this nation. This did not occur this past November 2nd 2004 and this certainly did not occur on election day 2000 in the state of Florida.

I must also say this: we cannot, we must not, betray our black bretheren in the state of Ohio. If the honorable Maxine Waters, the honorable Jackson Lee, the honorable Jesse Jackson Jr., the honorable Conyers, the honorable Barney Frank, the honrable representative Nadler, and other congresspersons deem it fit and necessary to challenge Election 2004 and Ohio's electors, then we owe them nothing but the same bravery and courage which they have exhibited throughout this process. What does this mean? It means that unlike in 2000 one senator must rise with representatives whose people have been disenfranchised twice already in the 21st century, so many years after Reverend King died for the cause of liberty, freedom ,and equality for God's children. ALL OF THEM. It means that we must take the deep, serious accusations of the black and white members of our party with at least a modicum of respect. We must ensure now, not in 2006 or 2008 or perhaps never, that all citizens of this nation will not have their votes defrauded, will not have their people intimidated, and will not be taken for granted or abused by this party, the party of all people--black, white, Latino, Jewish, Catholic, Vietnamese, Chinese, Puerto Rican or whatever be their race or faith...

We value this democracy so very much that the very hint of undemocratic practices runs afoul the liberties and equalities that Washington, Madison, Franklin, and others so dearly fought for over 200 years ago. The founders may not have been perfect men, but they tried to set in motion something unheard of: a free, open nation with equal rights for all. It took much blood and toil to actualize these words--a civil war which cost us so many young men, a violent invalidation of the civil rights of black citizens in Reconstruction, and then a subsequent 100 years of bloody apartheid and disgrace for our country. Finally, a great number of Americans had enough of Emit Tills being hung and fought in the streets and at the capitol of our nation for justice and the equal right to vote. Now this sacred right seems under attack, but this time it is not with billy clubs, water hoses and dogs, it is with a more subtle intimidation, one that will not be as shocking as being physically beaten at the polling place.

The GOP failed for decades to provide equal rights to black citizens, so the Democratic party did so and with that millions of blacks cast their trust and their vote to the party which showed them true decency and respect. We must not betray this loyal constituency. We cannot do so again after the 2000 debacle. Betrayel is surely not honorable nor worthy of the true party of values, the true party which claims civil rights for all--be they straight or gay, white or black, and so forth.

...I urge all of those who call themselves "progressive" to be so and support the efforts of the black caucus and others. We simpy cannot keep saying the tired old phrase "move on, in 2008 things will be different." Well, those words were said in 2000 while black congressmen told a nation on January 6th that their rights were violated. They were rewarded with boos and Al Gore's gavel. I hope that we all try and prevent such miscarriages of justices again by urging all members of congress to stand for equality and democracy...

Found here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/14/23137/756
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warbly Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:40 PM
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1. oh man
the "to speak of fraud or not to speak of fraud" battle is still raging over there i see. "dailykos is burning", that's hilarious. I love that fucking site. it's only been 2 days since i stormed out of there in a huff but following your link was like going home:) i can't stay away. I still don't appreciatte kos keeping the investigation diaries off the front page though. see you around.
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:48 PM
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2. outstanding! thank you for posting this, pointsoflight n/t
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:54 PM
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3. Kick up the so-called "negative posts". Great and true.
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 10:59 PM by fshrink
More energy in this than in any let's get together boy-scout scared in the night stuff. This is what we need to hear. This is where the right stuff is.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:56 PM
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4. Powerful words!
Why are our media and government officials so lame? Anyone that is not moved by words like these, and there have been many, is just as blackhearted as the devil himself (I call him George)

Sorry too tired to check for sp errors!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:58 PM
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5. I think you will enjoy these comments....
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 11:04 PM by understandinglife
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=161497&mesg_id=161497

Peace.

"I'm an American patriot, not a pro-fraud theocrat"

p.s. and as to 'moving on' -- you betcha right into the US Senate chamber on 6 Jan 2005 and calling a halt and demand for remedy to this fraudulent, despicable 'national election of 2004.'
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:02 PM
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7. Yes, just saw that thread. Thanks! n/t
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:59 PM
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6. Thank you pointsoflight
We will not MOVE ON

No Retreat No Surrender
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ValleyGirl Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:02 PM
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8. Good read, thanks!
I am not "moving on" until atleast Jan. 20th. Why should we? And even if the chimp is sworn in that day, if there are still investigations going on I will be following those as well. Finding out what did/did not happen is more important to me. I have no expectations but truly have a gut feeling there has been widespread fraud of some kind. And I also find it very revealing to see certain Dems actions and reactions (Richardson, for example). These things will be filed in my memory for a later date. I will never vote for someone like Richardson, should he choose to run nationally.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:06 PM
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9. this must be
Kicked.:kick:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:07 PM
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10. It's time for moveon.org or something similar n/t
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:15 AM
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11. Members voted this the #1 issue, but they moved on anyway. n/t
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