The Democratic party has to become evil.

[Lisabtrucking]

The Republican party is full of thieves, drunks, criminals, and perverts. They deceive and cheat the American people of their democracy. Well if you can't beat them join them, get down and dirty, lie, cheat and steal. It's time to be Mr bad guy, no more Mr Nice guy.

[Neoma]

1. funny,i see it as

Republicains: Evil
Democrats: Good

if we 'get down and dirty, lie, cheat and steal'
we would be just as bad as evil and become them.

[jamboi]

4. No, there's evil and good in both parties. But we can't over come evil

with more evil. We must overcome evil with good. BTW, that's a quote from the bible (applicabel when we are trying to speak the language of faith).

[brainshrub]

2. The new DNC Chair:

Dr. Evil

[Der Blaue Engel]

3. Um. No.

[Blue in the face]

5. One little suggestion

I think we need to anticipate what they are thinking about doing do in order to stay one step ahead of them. But we still have to think and act like Democrats in order to be the party that deserves the support of the people.

We need to be able to get into their heads without becoming one of them.

[Old Mouse]

7. this is true

we don't have the think tanks they do, and as a result we are consistently several steps behind them.

[I Love Alaska]

6. No way am I resorting to their tactics!

Imight as well be Repub!

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[Old Mouse]

9. true dat

but we do need to better anticipate their moves.

[Peter Frank]

10. Oh yes indeed...

These jackels are "oily" slick.

[Lisabtrucking]

11. Figures now I'm a troll, but in all reality,

If you continue to let them cheat you out of the prize, and you don't resort to at least some of their tactics, we will be left behind every time. Right now they are making fun of us like were a bunch of crazies. I don't see any harm in playing the same game they are.

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[Peter Frank]

16. Sorry you've chosen to marginalize Democracy... n/t

[Old Mouse]

17. The tactics they use are far and wide

and are even in debate about which exist or not.

I don't think anyone is actually suggesting we become as immoral as the current adminstration... it's not really possible you know, the gag reflex and all.

[Lexingtonian]

18. Hmmm...not quite

It's true that Democrats have to be more competent about being crooked/evil and more tolerant of crooks and crookedness, and a little bit stained, and in general take bad behavior- even when perpetrated against us- with some sense of humor and a bit of admiration at the prowess when it's in evidence. Politics is not moralism. Integrity is not intolerance of evil- it's to not engage in it, and yet to let evil have its share in the doing of things. Because even evil serves the good, sometimes, where good intentions and such aren't effective. Evil too is part of the world- we have to maintain some form of diplomatic relations with it.

A lot of the population lives by shabby and crooked schemes and things that shame them if exposed to the light of day. To rule them, Democrats have to tolerate it knowingly and with some generosity and some retributiveness when it goes too far. They moralize a great deal, the crooks, but they are deathly afraid of being governed by people who are ethically serious. But there is some justice in letting some crookedness pass seemingly unnoticed, or at least unprosecuted. Most 'conservative' people can't clear a bar set even moderately high, especially after a times as degenerate as these.

Evil is something of a game. Like war, one should only engage in it out of absolute necessity. And then one should either capitulate (rather than accept its terms) or be the more competent at it, and no servant of it. There is nothing more frightening to people who are seduced by evil than seeing a good person using its method against them without becoming ensnared themselves. (For which purposes I fall back on the idea of a good person being one who is in a strong habit of doing the good thing.) It proves to them that there are people who are stronger than evil and that they are as weak, in an absolute sense, as ever before or weaker.

[Peter Frank]

19. Extremely well said.

Evil will occur on each side of every equation. It has its inevitable place and purpous in history, while it should never be sanctioned.

While no one stands behind the violence of the race riots in the '60s, there was a certain inevitability that such a backlash from centuries of repression would occur. ...and there's no doubt that the recognition of the culmination of this anger led to sweeping and overdue changes in the south.

The destinction I'm making with regard to retaliating to our present convoluted leadership is that we should not embrace the vile tactics of our morally compromised opponents. We must hang a lantern on our comittment to restore democratic principles to the highest levels of government.

As the arrogant Bush doctrine ("If you're not with us, you're against us...") continues to fart in the face of respectable foreign policy -- and the complications of Bush's willingness to get sucked into the Mideastern quagmire continue to show up in Wall Street, the red counties & states will finally stop voting against their own best interests.

We don't need to make a condemned house crumble. We need to be there for the residents after the house falls from its own weight. (of course there's nothing wrong with nudging along awareness).

[skids]

20. You don't have to be evil, but you do have to be a scheming bastard.

An interesting post by a WA recounter in King tells us of a Democratic observer who stood there and watched bullshit go on, and said nothing because he didn't want to raise a stink.

People start writing on greenbacks as a promo gag and other people worry -- Oh, is that legal?

And I bet almost everyone here only rates articles once on Yahoo, because to do it more would be "cheating."

Wake the HELL up folks.

You won't win this by putting your best foot forward. You win it by putting your boot up your opponant's ass.

For a country with such a large number of complete assholes in it, we sure have a whole lot of utter wimps.

Being a wimp handicaps you in two ways. First, it can stop you from doing the right thing, because you have to respect other people's feelings and opinions, and other such courtesies which should not be afforded an enemy. If it is a question of mere courtesy, you don't owe your enemy that, so don't give it to him. The only time to be courteous is when there are important onlookers. The only manner in which an opinion opposing a firmly held tenet should be respected is in assessing it's ability to convince neutral parties.

Second, being a wimp handicaps you because in order to censor your behavior in such an extreme fashion, it is neccessary to censor your thoughts. As such, you have no practice at all in anticipating the thoughts of a truly evil enemy. Have you ever thought of offing someone? I mean, actually thought it through. You know what, as long as you have no real intention of doing it, and you don't do it, it's neither illegal nor immorral. So do it. If you can't stomach that, think about how you'd go about torching their car (and getting away with it.) It will teach you how to think like a predator. And we could really use a few more people that know how to think that way.

(Or at the very least, play a video game that requires sneakiness and direct conflict from time to time.)

[Peter Frank]

21. Taking the high road doesn't make you a wimp...

...Sure! Be resolutely agressive as you exploit the weakness of your adversary. Hold his/her policies up open mochery.

Just don't drink the GOP Kool-Aid of "The end justifies the means."

[skids]

25. No Kool-Aid for me.

And that's not really the point. People are so myopic about the "high road" that they fail to excercise their rights to their full extent.
Even those who want to stick entirely to the high road don't have to be wimps. So why are there so many wimps?

[HeilChimp]

22. the ends justifies the means

>>
Well if you can't beat them join them, get down and dirty, lie, cheat and steal. It's time to be Mr bad guy, no more Mr Nice guy.
<<

I'm probably gonna get flamed for this, but with the Dems so powerless on the federal level I have to agree with your stragedy. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

I think Al Sharpton had the right idea when he was asked who is favorite President was. He answered Lyndon Johnson, and pointed that Johnson fought a unjustice, unprovoked evil war that was just as bad as Bush's war but Johnson made up for it by the Great Soecity, which is really the last TRUE progressive revolution we've had on the domestic war. Whether it's Dem or Repug, there are criminal wars, but with an unleashed Dem you at least get last social change on the domestic front.

Look at what's happening in Washington state. The Dems have to play hardball. We CANNOT allow a liberal state like that to fall to the repugs. It's one of our holdouts against Jesusland. We should do WHATEVER it takes to win there. If that includes "finding" another 50 votes out of Seattle, or throwing out a bunch of Repug votes, DO IT. You're only canceling out all the vote fraud on their side. If you have to lie to the people and make campaign promises you can't keep, DO IT. The Repugs do it all the time. If we don't have the evidence to prove Chimp's war crimes, make some up and impeach him anyway!!

They can dish it out, but they can't take it!

[Eye_on_prize]

26. I couldn't disagree more * can anyone say provocateur?

It just cracks me up how this anonymous public ranting and plotting to fight 'evil with evil', to contemplate murder, car bombings, etc. could easily become twisted into *proof* on some freeper site that DU is hatching Anarchist aka 'terrorist' plots on their site. pleeeezzz. Do you really expect anyone here to take you seriously?

[Pepper32]

23. We don't have to cheat, lie or steal. However, it's time to get REAL

We are too damn nice. The bully republicons WILL continue to politically slap us around. We act as if fighting back fiercely is a bad thing.

The civil war was not pretty, people died. Dirty tactics were used. That's war! Not saying we have to start another civil war but we definitely need to step it up a notch.


IMO

[AntiFascist]

24. Exactly!!

Which is why we need to continue exposing every aspect of election fraud until it really harms them beyond the point of no return. We need to stress all the Republican ties with the vote machine companies, particularly the Triad thing!