What if it isn't a "big conspiracy", but rather a bunch of "cells"

[Razorback_Democrat]

much like terror cells organization, who stole the election.

What if they were given the task to find ways to rig the elections locally as much as they could.

Think how zealous some of * followers are.

Look at the "Swifties"

Look at the freepers

zealots are everywhere and pockets of them or cells could have been operating "independently" using the model of al Queda to rig the election.

that way if one group gets caught, there is no larger conspiracy, and there is no knowledge of other cells plans or actions.

Just a Thursday morning thought after seeing that OBL has a new tape out just as things are heating up in the story of Ohio.

[ClassWarrior]

1. Then we scream to high heaven how Radical RW corruption is corroding...

...our society, and we need to scrub that filth off of our collective bodies.

Even if it doesn't destroy Bush**, it'll damage Bush**.

NGU.

[me b zola]

2. This is pretty much the way that I view it

n/t

[milkyway]

3. I had the the same thought the other day. A hydra-headed monster is

responsible for the stolen election. There is no centralized commander (Rove) dictating orders; but rather, isolated groups and individuals who do what they think is their part to achieve a common goal.

Thus, we had thousands of minor and not-so-minor incidents that all tilted the vote count to bush. There will never be a grand plot uncovered--just many incidents that, by themselves, did not change the election.

[KittyWampus]

12. Actually, Rove Was TOO Certain Their Fraud Would Work

It is centralized to some degree.

Control freaks don't leave things up to chance.

[PATRICK]

4. Piece it together in your mind

And you will see first of all it is a chilling revelation how sloppy and unaccountable the system is and how much the GOP has come to rely upon the dirt for winning and career advancement.

Then add in consultants, CIA retirees of the election fixing sort, new machines, a visit from Uncle Dick and assorted bag men and statisticians
and it's just a matter of math and complexity. the characteristics on the lower level share quasi-legality or excuses rarely challenged well up to the massive manipulation of the SOS, central tabulation etc.

It's not hard when nobody ever gets to fight and win against the fraud. Recounts are a salvage operation fighting upstream against continuing crap like the above. The few people punished take months and years to nail and being protected by a politician means feeling pretty safe. Self-policing doesn't work. Maybe we should outsource election work to Martians.

You are looking at real conspiracy at work. No guys in robes stroking white cats and muttering incantations as the hatch fiendishly clever plots. Just humdrum bending, lying, stealing and figuring out how much you need.

The point is JUST ONCE WRESTLE DOWN THE FRAUD. The media can't even pronounce the word. The politicians hardly, it isn't polite in their circles. We are always shifted away from the issue and crime and back into the rigged game trying to get the marked deck to cough up a winning hand. Ridiculous. Why do we play the sucker game instead of demanding law and order?

[steelyboo]

5. I think thats a valid point to look at

people keep telling us that its too big a conspiracy to have been pulled off, but what if they did it like this?

They could have made sure to have 'Cells' in the smaller areas where they knew they had some batshit insane supporters who would rig a vote and take the time to cover it up in case of a recount (lets not assume that KKKRove is so stupid that he would forget to cover his tracks).

Couple that with widespread suppression in the large Dem areas like Cleveland and Columbus (which will not affect a recount).

You could very easily steal an election this way. You have someone padding your numbers in areas everyone thought your would win (less suspicious) and you supress the vote in your opponents strongholds, which more than likely could only help you.

[mopinko]

6. much like the kkk nt

[Blue_In_AK]

24. Or Al Qaeda

[johnnie]

7. I personally don't think there was a "mastermind" behind it all

First off, I have never met a repug who even closely resembles a "mastermind". I have the belief that it was many people who took it upon themselves to win "at any cost". I'm not saying that some of it wasn't bigger than others, but i don't think they are all tied in.
I am waiting to see what happens. To be honest, my biggest dream is to see georgie being taken away in handcuffs for illegal election activities, but I will settle for a shitload of other people being taken to prison also.

[Razorback_Democrat]

9. Yes, Republican and Mastermind do seem like an oxymoron

and I would settle for people going to prison
doubt being cast over his second presidency to take away his man-date (not Victor Ashe but the imaginary supermajority of barely 3 million voters he thinks he has)

[KittyWampus]

13. Rove/NeoCons/BFEE Aren't Republicans... They're Organized Crime

they are the WASP mafia... the cossa nostra.

With CIA operatives and Mediawhores who are "loyal" and subserviant to them.

They are bullies and thugs.

Organized crime most certainly has a "Head" and ismost certainly "Centralized".

[Slit Skirt]

20. that is exactly right....and that is what we should call them

and that is how we should refer to them

the bush mafioso crime family

[Junkdrawer]

8. It's just abundantly clear that the Republicans have, for a looong time...

targeted the Secretary of State and related positions as places to station their most partisan, aggressive supporters.

It is also clear (see Terresa Lapore, Cathy Cox, etc) that Republicans have managed to place more than a few "fellow traveler Democrats" into said same positions.

And I'd bet my eye teeth that this strategy follows pretty much throughout the whole Bureau of Elections apparatus.

It goes hand-in-hand with the takeover of firms that sell vote counting equipment.

[Razorback_Democrat]

11. Good observations

fits with the rat wang strategy of winning local elections and changing the culture from the bottom up that they adapted back in the 80's while the Dems were focused on winning and retaining their power in Washington.

The old saying, all politics is local is true.

And when you control who counts the votes, you control who wins the big elections, and you can cover for your cronies that are cheating.

[KittyWampus]

14. Thanks for pointing this out Junkdrawer... You are so right.

[ClassWarrior]

10. "It'd be bad enough if it was the work of one person...

"...but we've discovered RAMPANT Radical RW corruption throughout the system!!!"

NGU.

[Kansas Wyatt]

15. 'Gitmo', no lawyer... NEXT!

[Last Lemming]

16. So if this organization is like the mafia

who on our side is currently wearing a wire and has the president on tape putting in the fix?

[Razorback_Democrat]

17. Yeah right, that's why no one gets close to the Prez unless he trusts them

it is like the mafia

only they run everything as far as I can tell

[intelle]

18. I think it's possible that

George Bush senior is the "centralized" force.

[kk897]

19. it really seems like there were so many different efforts to block

the vote, before, during, and after the election, that it almost certainly couldn't have been one person or group directing the whole thing.

I see it like this. You have a guy at the top who tells A, B, and C: make sure we win. A, B, and C put on their thinking caps, separately.

A's in charge of pre-election stuff; he calls on 1, 2, and 3, saying, okay, we've got a problem here. We want to make sure as few Dems and Black people vote as possible. You can use a variety of tactics, such as confusion, intimidation, subterfuge... Let's brainstorm it, ballpark some figures. I leave it in your capable hands.

1 goes off and asks i, ii, and iii what they think; 2 goes off to his guys; 3 to his. Each comes up with some sort of tactic, and then reaches further away from the central figure (gotta be Rove, in this case). So then maybe ii says, I know, let's put together some people to throw away Dem registrations, and 1 says, good idea, make it so. ii gets in touch with Sproul, Sproul says, I've got just the guys for that job... and Sproul is so far away from the top that you couldn't make a connection, really. Intuitively you can, because these people all run in the same packs, or they share an ideology, or they serve on the same corporate boards... but nothing directly connecting them.

I guess it's more of a corporate ladder kind of model I'm thinking of, rather than cells per se. Still, like all bureauocracy, one person over here probably has no idea what another person over there is doing.

[Razorback_Democrat]

23. Like al Queda! a Corporate ladder with a great bureacracy, or 'cells'

[JohnnyCougar]

21. This is probably more likely to be the case.

Republicans have these little groups that do everything they can to suppress votes. They don't need to take orders from a higher authority...they already know what to do.

[Griffy]

22. makes sense.. so theres no ties back to bush, just "rogues" nt