It's NOT the MSM. All it would take is ONE press conference.

[TruthIsAll]

As much as I have ranted about the whore media over the past three years, things have now gone way beyond that. We can no longer blame the MSM.

If a solid group of Democratic senators and Congressman just held a press conference and announced that they were "MAD AS HELL AND NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE", the MSM would take notice.

If they just told the damn TRUTH to the American people about WHAT THEY KNOW went down in this so-called election, we would see an instant groundswell of public opinion turn against the cabal which has hijacked our democracy.

But that is probably too much to hope for.

It's the timidity, stupid.

[ClassWarrior]

1. All it would take is one press conference for the ridicule to begin.

Wait till we have something SOLID.

NGU.

[KittyWampus]

15. Agreed, Apparently TIA Thinks All They Need Is His Statistical Reports

in hand to stand up and say "gotcha"...

:eyes:

[TruthIsAll]

33. That's a crock. All they need are the facts that Conyers can give them.

.

[KittyWampus]

34. What FACTS Can Conyers Give Them? Facts Hinting At A CoverUp...

YES!

Factual EVIDENCE proving fraud? NO!

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[StephanieMarie]

45. For TruthIsAll

I love your statistical analyses and charts. Thank you.

[jamboi]

63. That's unkind and unfair to TIA. I think he has a good point. I also

think that we're seeing the Dems starting to step us, so that Press Conference may be coming up soon.

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[KittyWampus]

35. This From Someone Who Thinks There Wasn't Enough Fraud To Throw

election?

Yeah, I'll take you seriously.

:D

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[KnowerOfLogic]

46. Ooooh, ridicule. They don't have to say 'they stole it;' they could

simply point out that there are some serious irregularities that need to be explained before the election result can be accepted with confidence.

[tk2kewl]

2. Agreed

and not just regarding the election

More importantly, in my opinion, we need an organized loud message denouncing the bushCo agenda and putting forth our own

[mattclearing]

3. I said this awhile ago.

That if John Kerry and the entire Democratic congressional delegation threw down and had a major press conference, it would bring everything to a halt, and people would take real notice.

Still waiting.

Edit to add: Former Presidents as well. Seeing the entire Democratic Party establishment in one room to stand up for their guy being robbed would be huge.

[DemSigns]

10. They could have won outright with press conferences

Kerry got his best bounce off of his press conferences. There are so many things to rant on about the * administration.

You can't just go around giving speeches and hope the MSM picks up your preferred sound bite. Herd them all in for a four hour press conference, make them listen in detail, tell them what you know, not just what you think. Give a f*cking powerpoint presentation. Make some GD news that can't be ingnored.

I agree that now they need to have some good facts and go long on detail in front of the MSM.

end rant

[DemBones DemBones]

4. That's why I am so aggravated with

John Kerry, John Edwards, and every other Democrat in Washington. Why aren't they on television 24/7 screaming about this grand theft nation?

[mattclearing]

7. "Grand Theft Nation" - This should go into the talking points folder.

eom

[ClassWarrior]

8. See post #1 above.

What do you suggest they wear while they scream, tinfoil beanies??

NGU.

[HeeBGBz]

11. That is the question du jour

Cat got their collective tongues?

"Hello darkness my old friend
I've come to walk with you again"

[mopinko]

5. agreed

if they all hang together, they would present an unassailable tagret.

edited to add: they have nothing to lose!!!!

[In Truth We Trust]

6. TIA I couldnt agree more! Can you say Duopoly? Can you say complicit?

I can and I also can say F8ck em all. WE must assume the role's we've assigned to the government and take our country and our future back from these fascists.

March on DC Jan 6!!! If you can't then march on your rep's homes and demand justice and democracy NOW!

[libertypirate]

9. I think you are right

It is time to step up, I have been one who has felt the entire show should stay quiet, but the momentum towards democracy can't stop now. We should never capitulate; democracy should be something we all fight for every day.

[Darkhawk32]

12. No ONE Democrat should stand up!

ALL OF THEM SHOULD! ENOUGH IS FUCKING ENOUGH!!!

edit: Hope I don't get in trouble for the cursing. ;-)

[Warpy]

13. No, it's the MSM

Remember, somebody in the CBS newsroom blabbed. They are in "lockdown" over the voter fraud story.

You can give all the press conferences you want. The whore news still won't cover it.

[LiveInHope]

14. I agree TIA

It seems the dems are so afraid of being called names (like sore loser) they let themselves be bullied into submission. We all know if the shoe were on the other foot the republicans would be screaming bloodly murder. Their bluster has gotten them far.

[goclark]

31. It has to be creative to get the Media to report

It must have some type of surprise element to truly make the news.


Just think, John Kerry came out in support of the recount and it was a dash on the screen. It should have been followed up with interviews of Kerry but NOTHING! to my knowledge.

So what do we have to do to get the attention of the news media?

If, Democrats would get some guts, when ever they are being interviewed about anything, they MUST sneak in the middle of an important response," Americans deserve to hear from the Media about the suppression of the votes in the election," then they should continue talking about whatever.

Or, in my dreams, Carter will be interviewed and say," As God is my witness, this election was stolen from the people of America."

[OKthatsIT]

16. Exactly

I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. If we get a group of Senators to join on Jan6th, then we automatically call a Press Conference

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[Jo March]

20. How about you tell us, godel escher bach nt

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[SammyWinstonJack]

29. Hmmmmmmmmmm

:eyes:

[Nederland]

52. Ooh, ooh, I know

Space aliens captured everyone except the people on DU and corrupted their thinking processes!

Do I win?

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[Eloriel]

64. You are ignoring -- or not aware -- of one ovrriding fact about the MSM

and that is that their MAIN Job, above all others, is to protect and promote the "Official Story" -- pretty much whatever the Official Story is. Wasn't always so (altho there were definitely shades of it going back all the way to Prescott Bush and perhaps farther back than that), but it's definitely so now and has been for quite some time.

You can disbelieve there was any fraud all you like and for all I know you're right-- BUT your whole little list of arguments here is totally worthless in support of your argument and you position on the matter for the reason stated above. There are many, many other perfectly true things that have gone on and are going on that the MSM won't touch with a ten-foot pole for the exact same reason: doesn't align with the Official Story.

Back to the drawing board for you.

[EFerrari]

74. The out of context Dean "scream" is a perfect exxample of this n/t

[SueZhope]

18. Excellent truth ...that’s the answer..

....but how do you wake the sleeping fools ?

If these politicians have done there homework and read all the
Information, facts, analysis, etc, available on the election they would
be deeply concerned and disturbed. Any one who is truly following
the details could not ignore the reality.

I have come to believe
A) Some have closed there minds and are not reading the information available

B) Some agree the election was rigged yet since its not an easy case to
prove they decided not to fight

C) MOST are just chicken shit wimps ,they talk of democracy
but are only political careerists, who perhaps don’t even
know why they got involved in politics in the frist place

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[European Socialist]

22. good point

The last time the dems have come out strong was to keep Clinton from being impeached. Election Fraud is winning issue because the facts back it up. Are the repukes going to prove them wrong with paper trails.

[budkin]

24. You hit the nail on the head exactly...

We need some big players coming out in support of these efforts or all will be for naught.

[Pooka Fey]

25. I'll probably get flamed or deleted for saying this, but it LOOKS like

the Democratic leadership is more concerned about preserving their own careers then they are about saving our democracy. And after asking freely for our time and money for the 2004 pièce de thèatre in November - it's despicable.

[SueZhope]

30. No Flames here

So far this seems to be the case.

They still have a chance to get it right.
Now is the time. A Press conference is the place

[Cocoa]

62. dem bashing is very much allowed at DU

dems get bashed for everything, and ironically they get bashed especially hard when they achieve something. For example, there was a vicious wave of dem bashing right around the time they started filibustering Bush's judges.

I think Harry Reid will replace Daschle as the favorite target, and I think the attacks will increase the harder he opposes Bush on Social Security. But we'll see...

[Carolab]

66. Fat lot of good it does them

their seat could be next, whether the machines decide, or the people they've let down. Either way, they're screwed. IMHO.

[Pooka Fey]

72. Agreed.

[Shalom]

26. The MSM are Waiting for the Dems: The Dems are Waiting for the MSM...nt

[keepthemhonest]

27. TIA where in the hell have you been

I figured you must be calculating up the end all be all of statistical analyses. Anyway I think with the previous poster (pooka fey)that said they are worried about there reputations,but with 20% doubting the election that is a significant number of people. Dems should be especially worried because most of that 20% is in their group.
So they better get on the ball (or just have some balls) and take a stand.

[Shalom]

28. Delete - Dupe

[nmoliver]

32. Not sure

I'm not sure about that. I have seen many instances where Democrats in Congress called press conferences, filed lawsuits, made speeches, you name it. The press reported nothing. When one Republican Senator coughed, it made front-page headlines: "New FUROR" about this and that.

Even many of Clinton's speeches were suppressed, such as his speeches to the UN urging attention to global warming and to the mounting threat of Al-Qaeda.

- Nina

[TruthIsAll]

36. The press would report it: If Kerry, Clinton, Boxer, Kennedy, Reid

Pelosi, Edwards, Graham....and

JIMMY CARTER and BILL CLINTON

stepped up.

You can be damn sure of that.

[s-cubed]

38. Look around & open your eyes

TIA - I have a lot of respect for you, having read many of your posts since 11/2. But, look at what has happened: both the NYT and WP have had serious articles on this. Conyers has been on a number of shows, Arnebeck braved the pussy cat in his den, Hannity. It is building up, and it's our job to keep sending e-mails to the MSM and congress and to keep digging into data. We must back Conyers, and help him. He has asked for a million letters to the Judiciary committee. We need to be sure he gets them. I believe Rove & Co have prepared a massive campaign for the first time Kerry opens his mouth, and it's frustrating him no end that Kerry won't play his game.

We're going to get a million people at the Capitol on 1/6: right? Have you made your plans yet?

I have written an e-mail summarizing Election Fraud 2004, with lots of links. I'll be happy to send it to any one who wants it, to send on to their friends.

Keep the faith, it ain't over til the fat lady sings, and she's still in the dressing room. :yourock:

[regularjoe]

47. Do you have a link for the million emails thing?

I'm not sure I believe that. I don't see why he would want a million emails. What would he do with them? Use them as proof people want action? People could claim that with email the million could have come from just a few thousand people. I wonder if the million emails thing isn't some scam to bombard his limited staff with a lot of useless email that makes it more difficult to sort through and find the evidence people have to report.

regularjoe

[s-cubed]

59. My mistake: see thread here, where conyers says too many

emails to wrong address. See link for suggestions of alternatives:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2831539

[Left Brain]

61. Verrrrry interesting theory, scubed

I believe Rove & Co have prepared a massive campaign for the first time Kerry opens his mouth, and it's frustrating him no end that Kerry won't play his game.


The thought of Rove squirming makes my day.

[TruthIsAll]

67. NYT and WP serious articles? Or just tiptoeing around the fringes.

Its F-R-A-U-D

Its NOT human error; NOT machine error; NOT sampling error.

It's F-R-A-U-D.

Say it loud.

[Bubblie]

37. I agree

I have been e-mailing Kerry for weeks asking him to hold a press conference. This would expose everything all at once and bring a ton of support for the cause along with it. I'm trying to hold out hope that there is a "big" plan up their sleeve? Time is ticking...

[myschkin]

39. Send it to Conyers

What about if they would say (on a press conference) the glitches all over the country were going 20:1 in favour of Bush...?

And that they don't think that this could be accidental, but that it shows a certain pattern.

See TIA.

[magellan]

40. It IS the MSM

They've been more than happy to take dismissive swipes at the questions/protests surrounding election results and, except for Olbermann, are utterly unwilling to do any investigation themselves. After all our e-mails and phone calls, getting them to so much as mention the first Democratic Judiciary Committee forum on the Ohio election was like pulling teeth. Most of them are still ignoring the investigations, and when they do give it two seconds of their time it's usually done with flippant indifference.

What, Conyers and the other Democratic Judiciary Committee members aren't big enough fish for them? They need a gold-embossed invitation from Kerry himself to cover this subject? BS.

The MSM have acted irresponsibly from election night on. It started with them all adjusting their exit polls to the reported totals, and then slipped into guilty silence. It's not our responsibility or anyone else's to prove a story is newsworthy...unless the media isn't doing its job the way it ought to be doing it. And THAT'S the problem.

[FogerRox]

41. Make like an Ukrainian

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=169x2084

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x151252

http://www.51capitalmarch.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=New_Jersey;action=display;num=1103044224

We should have more posted by tonite. Check the 51 caps site later.

[Pacifist Patriot]

42. After my exchange with the politics editor last week I can't agree.

The media passed over the Conyers' hearing last week as non-newsworthy in favor of Jackson's DNA test, Basketbrawl, Scott Peterson's sentencing hearing, etc. MSM was notified of the forum and declined to cover it. One AP reporter sent out a misleading report and editors all over the country made their decision based on its content. Calling a press conference won't make one bit of difference if MSM deems it unworthy of attention. If witness testimony on the hill is worthless what makes a disgruntled loser democrat more compelling?

[spooked911]

53. but this is why Kerry, Edwards, Gore, Dean etc need to make a big fuss

the MSM can easily ignore Conyers. They can't easily ignore a concerted effort by the leading Dems.

[ginnyinWI]

70. I don't think they want the MSM in the mix yet

that is why they always say "...not that we think it will overturn the election" every time they open their mouths. Because without that possibility, an overturned election, it just isn't news. Dontcha think?

[zann725]

43. At least a press conference would clear up many distortions...

that the longer the Right is able to spin or cover up...the more the core and validity of the story is diluted.

[KnowerOfLogic]

44. Correct; our 'spokespeople' are silent, therefore MSM is silent. nt

[spooked911]

48. AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course the anthrax attacks and the assassination of Wellstone helped a lot to make the dems timid.

[AtLiberty]

49. Hell, I'm a nobody...

...and I'm ready to give a news conference.

I'm filled with passion. I know the material inside and out and I can string a coherent sentence together.

Where's the nearest open mike?

[spooked911]

50. How about a HUNGER STRIKE?

That might get their attention.

[McCamy Taylor]

51. video game "Grand Theft Election: Ohio Vice City"

[Griffy]

54. Watch for it... AFTER xmas.. timing is everything! nt

[understandinglife]

58. Ditto. Probably, 28 or 29 Dec (n/t)

[Old Mouse]

60. Stop blaming those who protect you

Your elected Democratic officials understand better than you how much is at stake, and beyond the issue of voter fraud, how the misuse of the letter of the law is being applied on a daily basis to fraudulently take control of government. Your officials are working very very hard for you. They are having the political crap beat out of them every session of congress trying to use what little political and procedural power they have to defend our leaking civil liberties.

Stop blaming them. You do not understand that at best one or two democratic senators have enough star power to attract any press, and none that attract prime time coverage. The main stream media will not cover it until it gets sexy enough: an important person killed, a computer found in Rove's office with a program called "Vote Fixer 2004" or a critical mass of average citizens demanding it be covered.

[TruthIsAll]

65. They protect us? Really? If they did, we would not be in this mess. n/t

.

[eridani]

68. Let's be clear about our situation here and get on the same page

What we have is probable cause for fraud, not proof of fraud. And the real truth is that we can't get proof as long as tabulation software is proprietary and touchscreen systems can't be audited. It's just that simple, and that is what Kerry, Clinton, and Gore et al ought to be screaming about. We can probably nail a few people for tampering and vote suppression, but that will vastly understate the scope of the problem.

[ginnyinWI]

69. They'll do it when they need the attention

"don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes" comes to mind. They are going to have just one good shot at this, and it has to be when they are ready with the evidence, so that they can make a good case to America.

John Kerry doesn't need us to get media attention; all he has to do is pick up the phone---when---the---time---is--right.

[Zan_of_Texas]

71. Looking back

Sheila Jackson Lee, an African American US Rep from Houston, held a Town Hall meeting in Houston during the buildup to the invasion of Iraq. She asked her constituents their opinions about it. There was a great outpouring of rhetoric and passion against the impending war.

People asked her, why wasn't she speaking out?

She said, she WAS! She said, she and some of her other colleagues WERE speaking out against the war. But, she said, none of them ever got major microphone time -- the invitations to the talk shows, the real opinion making stuff -- were limited to certain people.

I agree with the statement above that the media are set up to prop up what is.

Look at who benefits from the way it is. Let's just say, yes, there is election fraud, ok.

The "elected" people NEVER have to please the people -- only the powers behind their throne. Much simpler.

The media get to help script VERY CLOSE ELECTIONS which means LOTS OF ADS and LOTS OF MONEY comes their way. They cooperate, and the "elected" people along with Michael Powell allow additional media consolidation which they wanted. More profits, less competition.

The people in the Congress and White House are not there for you and me, folks. They represent the wealthy and the corporations. That's who put them there, and that's who keeps them there.

For instance, a story in the Houston Chronicle, 12/22/02 starts out:

AUSTIN - Just 48 wealthy Texas families paid more than half the cost of the key campaigns that convinced 2.6 million voters to solidify the Republican hold on state government in last month's elections.

A Houston Chronicle study of campaign records found these wealthy few donated $34 million of the $64 million used to finance top Republican state campaigns.

As long as those powerful people use their puppets ("elected officials") as shields, we barely even know who these people are. They ride in limos and private jets, their houses have security and/or large grounds and tall gates, and they have staff and PR flacks and numerous others layers between them and us.

They are today's pirates - Armani suits instead of earrings in their ears, but they are ruthless, predatory, and apparently have no qualms about sending kids to kill 100,000 Iraqis, as long as they get contracts for defense and cheap oil, and consolidate power in the Middle East to do more of the same.

All that said, I still am hoping for some riveting video in Ohio. Video of a technician switching out the innards of a machine right before the recount is good. What would be better would be video of a technician switching out the innards of the tabulating machine, while in the same room Kenneth Blackwell clad only in feathers is getting it on with Walden O'Dell, clad only in a leather thong. If anybody can get that video, we might be able to get some air time...... <G>

[Old Mouse]

73. yeah, baby!

I'm all in for the feathers.

Controlled media or not, if the video is sexy enough even Faux would show it.

(Some here just don't get it. )