Micheal from TRIAD/ Madsen Articles Could there be a Connection?

[Verve]

I know this is a long shot. And yes my tinfoil hat is on too tight. But, something struck me odd about the technician Micheal, in the affidavit. This is an extremely brazen act for someone to commit. To walk into an office unannounced, to start tampering with a computer that anyone with commonsense knows is off limits, and to coach office workers how to beat the hand recount. Who could really pull this off confidently?

Words that come to mind about this type of individual include sly, extremely confidant, manipulative, and con man. Now does this sound to you like the average technician? I know there may be some techs that are like this, and it's possible that Triad would only look to hire individuals like this. But, really! What this guy did was extremely slick. The average tech or for that matter, the average individual, would have been extremely nervous about pulling this off.

So questions come to mind. Did he not know he was committing fraud? Or, did he know this was fraudulent behavior and he's just done this so many times before that he's used to conning others?

What do we know about this Micheal? Do we know his last name? Do we know how long he has worked for Triad? Do we know if the office workers had seen him before? It would be interesting to find out.

One far out theory that came to me, concerns the Madsen articles. In one article, Madsen claims that ex-FBI agents from Texas were posing as real FBI agents to help rig the election for *. Obviously this has not been verified to my knowledge. But what if this was true? Could it be likely that one of these con men posed as the computer technician, Michael? Ex-agents, con men, now these are people I infer could confidently pull off what Michael did.

Yeah this is a reach, I know, but I thought it was worth getting it out there. Comments? (Please make sure to put on your tinfoil hat before you begin! :tinfoilhat: )

[Kota]

1. Maybe the same guys that posed as FBI getting

that Ohio county locked down for terrorist's threats?

[Shalom]

2. We Know Who Mike Is, But Your Points are Still Valid

"Mystery Mike" is no longer a mystery; he has been identified as Michael Barbian, Jr

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

Your thoughts and analysis still make lots of sense; an ordinary tech would not want to, and could not be effective, at doing this con job.

I expect he could easily have a spook background, and was hired by TRIAD for precisly this reason.

Now that he has a name, there should be an extensive background check on him (Google did not help me much here).

Keep asking questions, and never be defensive about what Bush & Co. might do - we can only see a small fraction of the dirty shit they have pulled off.

[kk897]

5. I wonder, though, if he really knew what he was doing...

Perhaps all the techs were told, "you have to put this patch on to prep it for the recount" and they didn't really know the contents of the patch. Only the person who wrote the patch would have to know. (The interview with the Conyers person on Raw Story says that this happened in dozens of counties).

[BR_Parkway]

7. I can see that, and his asking about which precinct could have

been normal curiousity - if his job is election software, seems similar to the copy repair guy asking about when we were going to run XXXX while he was doing repairs. The tech would not have to know (and if something was input to either fix the count or wipe out previous tampering) would be smarter not to have a low level tech know.

[Verve]

9. Other threads are saying this guy was lying. Changing a dead

battery and applying a patch was not what he was doing. I'm not a computer expert but some of these DUer's sound like they are:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=163291&mesg_id=163291

[RubyCat]

15. Does anyone have a picture of him that can be posted here?

[kk897]

3. I think his last name is in her affidavit, but I can't find it

at the moment...I've got too many PDFs running around my computer. I KNOW I saw it somewhere and was curious why DU people weren't all over it.

[kk897]

4. self delete, dupe

[BrotherBuzz]

14. He is identified in the body of Conyers' letter

On December 13, my staff met with Ms. Eaton who explained to them that last Friday, December 10, Michael Barbian, Jr., a representative of Triad GSI unilaterally sought and obtained access to the voting machinery and records in Hocking County, Ohio, modified the computer tabulator, learned which precinct was planned to be the subject of the initial test recount and made further alterations based on that information, and advised the election officials how to manipulate the machinery so that the preliminary hand recount matched the machine count. Ms. Eaton first relayed this information to Green Party representatives, and then completed, signed and notarized an affidavit describing this course of events, a copy of which is attached.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

Will Pitt put it all together in a tight package. Thanks. Will.

[sheilajane]

6. interesting thought....

I think it is an interesting thought and not far out! What county closed down on election nite and remember Homeland Sec. was susposed to be warning of a terrorist threat,and yet when asked both of these agencies denied ordering any such order! Strange......

[LiberalFighter]

8. The easiest way to get into a place...

is to act like you are suppose to be there.

It is easier if you have been there before and know where everything is for the job and they don't require a check-in.

[Liberty Belle]

10. It would explain why FBI refused to investigated Ohio fraud.

Remember, there was a news story about someone who tried to deliver complaints of Ohio fraud to the FBI, and they refused to accept the complaint?

[OKthatsIT]

11. midwesterners dont do well with 'critiques or confrontation

if someone shows any force, its a typical response

[Verve]

12. Huh? Are you talking about the office workers letting him work on the

computer while they just complied with his requests? If you are then I agree with you. People are very compliant in the midwest. They're too nice to a detriment sometimes. Thank God one of them had the decency to speak up after the fact!

[catgirl]

13. Look what I found

Did a Yahoo search on Michael Barbian Jr and oddly- Veterans Support George W. Bush in 2004- popped up. It's a sign up pledge called- Vets4Bush.com. There is a Mike Barbian on there (# 15885 in the 3rd column). Can this be the technician?

[Verve]

27. HOLY MOLY Cat Girl! You may have found something! n/t

[lizzieforkerry]

16. Could someone with Lexis Nexis please do a search on him?

[Kralizec]

17. Anyone here have the links to the Madsen posts? Thanks. n/t

[catgirl]

18. I found a few Michael J. Barbians in Ohio...

Does anyone know his middle name? Would his age be 50 or 30?

[catgirl]

19. Nominate this thread for home page

We need more help on this

[jamboi]

20. I thought about it too. Could be a connection. n/t

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[jamboi]

29. Self delete.

[Woo]

22. Where...(Jamboi)

The heck is Madsen anyway... haven't heard from him in a couple weeks -- he just vanished all of a sudden.

[pick_a_dilly]

24. madsen and blackbox bev are lunching w/ rolly bollie rove? n/t

[jamboi]

28. I posted elsewhere that he had e-mailed that he was following other

twists and turns in the story and was not going to be as available for a bit. Here's my last e-mail from him:

"jamboi wrote:

I've been missing your
correspondence. Did you get the long list of questions I forwarded?

Thanks..I've been busy on another angle to the story... is the speech available on line?

more will follow -- The rabbit hole goes deeper and deeper.

wayne"

[Woo]

35. Aha

Ok... I saw that thread the other day but quickly lost track of it and didn't get a chance to read it-- thought I would catch up with you on another thread

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[jamboi]

33. Bro, give me a break! We are NOT the bad guys! n/t

[AntiFascist]

34. What do you think of d*k* then? n/t

[jamboi]

36. If you look at the comments on the bottom of page you'll see my response.

PM me please.

[AntiFascist]

37. Ok I'll PM you....

and while at it, did Skinner really help develop the DLC website? Just asking, I'm not attacking any fellow DUer, just asking.

[AntiFascist]

38. whoops, too late nt

[Mandate My Ass]

26. The voting company people and election workers are all in bed

together.

By Jim Drinkard, USA Today
Wednesday, February 14, 2001



Frightened by history

No major corporation has ventured into the U.S. voting equipment business since IBM, which popularized punch-card voting in the United States, got out of it in the early 1970s. IBM sold the rights to its Votomatic machine to four of its salesmen, who started a called Computer Election Systems. At the time, their only competition was from old-fashioned paper ballots and from mechanical lever voting machines, which had been around since the late 1800s.


(But now) The nation's secretaries of State want modernized equipment, and Congress may pour up to $2.5 billion into upgrades.

Now, the prospect of huge infusions of federal money is prompting some large players to rethink their aversion for the voting equipment business.

Harder than selling computers

For example, when Ohio election officials gathered at a Columbus hotel in January, equipment vendors turned the hotel's fifth floor into one continuous cocktail party. Riding up in an elevator, one county official checked with an equipment salesman to make sure he was ready to pour her favorite, Captain Morgan rum.

In room 531, Triad GSI of Xenia, Ohio had set up a Votomatic machine with a butterfly ballot from Palm Beach County, Fla., side by side with its electronic touch-screen model.

In Room 501, elections printer Barrett Brothers had its hospitality suite. Dayton Legal Blank, a printer and sales representative for an equipment maker, entertained in 509. The best party was in Room 506, where ES&S served hot hors d'oeuvres along with drinks.

'Extremely competitive environment'

Ten days later, some of the same companies - and even a few of the same salesmen - were in Orlando, where Florida county election supervisors gathered. Global's suite was holding a drawing for a large box of Belgian chocolates. Hart Intercivic, marketing an electronic voting machine, gave away a 13-inch color TV/VCR. Election software maker Iris lured officials by offering a chance at a gold necklace. "It is an extremely competitive environment," says Craft, the Florida official. "You have a static market, a fixed number of jurisdictions that need equipment. You've got all these vendors fighting for the same market."

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Sometimes, salesmen feel the pressure to perform what they consider improper favors for election officials. One, who asked not to be identified for fear of losing business, told of encountering an election supervisor in a small Georgia county who listened to a sales presentation, then asked, "What's in it for me?"

http://jessejacksonjr.org/issues/i0214012592.html