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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:12 PM
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Kerry campaign issues letter to Ohio Secretary of State demanding recount
Senator Kerry's and Senator Edwards' state counsel for Ohio has issued a letter to Ohio Republican Secretary of State and Bush-Cheney '04 chair Kenneth Blackwell demanding an official investigation into voting machine tampering in Hocking County, RAW STORY has learned.

The letter, which was sent Wednesday, also asks that Blackwell require hand counts in any county where machines have been compromised, or have an independent expert inspect the machines. Hocking County elections official Sherole Eaton alleged that a Triad Election Systems representative disabled a machine and tried to plant unverified information into the recount at the House Judiciary Committee's election hearing Monday.

more...

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/kerry_1216.php
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:14 PM
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1. Randi Rhodes is reading this I think n/t
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:18 PM
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2. was there a strategic/legal reason to wait
until the ohio secretary of state certified the election? seems to me that it would have made sense to call for the re-count before, but maybe there is a legal or strategic reason for not doing so....
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:27 PM
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7. If they,Ohio certified without investigating any
discrepancies, they then don't have a legal leg to stand on when the wholesale election fraud is laid bare. They resisted any and all requests, demands, etc. to check and they did not.
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regularjoe Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:37 PM
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15. The Greens and Libs tried to get a recount before certification but...
the court wouldn't force it and the law says you can ask for a recount after the certification.

regularjoe
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:04 PM
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30. He's NOT letting us down.

Go, Johnny, go. Go Go Go go go JOhnny go. Go - Johnny be GOOD
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:58 PM
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51. Remember All That Money He and Edwards Didn't Spend?
hmmmmmmm.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:18 PM
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3. This sounds like Florida all over again.
Cherry picking!

Why not a full-state recount?
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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:28 PM
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8. I still have confidence
I think everything that is going on with Kerry Edwards has been well thought-out, well-planned and hopefully will be well executed. I can't believe that two incrediably smart attorneys would not have thought of every possible scenario, would not have been receiving the best possible legal advice and has everything strategically potted and planned out.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:39 PM
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16. Me Too....
....I LOVE todays unfolding events and will also get Strategically potted....Yea!
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:06 PM
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42. Yes, we have to keep up hope.
There's till time to overturn this election.

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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:23 PM
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37. Well, I'm thinking
that the Glibs have already requested a full recount which covers all counties - but that Kerry is requesting a "hand recount" in the tampered-with counties...

Thoughts?

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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:23 PM
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4. THIS IS VERY VERY SIGNIFICANT !!! KERRY HAS MADE HIS MOVE...
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 05:23 PM by Shalom
The baton has been passed (very effectively, and at the right moment) to the Kerry-Edwards campaign.

From now one, this issue belongs to them.

Those who complained about Kerry moving sooner can still do so, but IMHO, the timing is perfect: this does not look like a sore loser, but in fact someone who held back until he had no other choice. In a paradoxical way, the complaints within our own ranks about Kerry holding back reflect the political cover he now has.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:33 PM
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12. Aren't you glad you didn't express doubts in him? I am.
"In a paradoxical way, the complaints within our own ranks about Kerry holding back reflect the political cover he now has.

I have had the feeling that "we" were part of the plan. We had to raise the issues, and help to expose the fraud. If he would have done it, we can only imagine how this would have gone. This is a very exciting development.
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kerry2win Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:41 PM
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18. agree it's now or never
the way the courts are himhawing around the green party
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operafred Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:06 PM
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46. kick
ditto

it may add to the snowball starting to roll and roll and roll
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:25 PM
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5. Sorry, dupe
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:27 PM
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6. Seems to me they led Kenneth....
....down the garden path....Ok Darling,we'll wait till you're good and certified.....Certainly Sweetheart,we,ll do the recount any way you say....Poor virginal Ken sets up the kind of recount he's always wanted (very few observers but plenty of techs to prepare for the act) and Whammo-John jumps him with this "full handcount demand" and yanks innocent Ken's knickers to his ankles.Soon now Kerry will start thrusting the will of the people into....OH,Oh I can't go on ....I'll swoon...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:35 PM
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14. lol!. Enough rope, Kenny?
And now we also have that video where Mr. Blackwell jokes about the fraud during the elector's vote. Too, too good. More tea? Another cookie?

Hope you're right.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:47 PM
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20. And now that they've Certified, their Fraud is in black-and-white...
now they're entrapped!

JK is a strong 'finisher,' we know that. Trust and believe!
And Arnebeck (and Bonifaz) is awesome.

Go Johnny, go!
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:30 PM
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9. That Is FUCKING awesome
Day by Day, Kerry is gonna get more pissed at the hijinxs down there.

Just watch...
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:35 PM
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13. If he shows that he is angry that americans
got fucked, people will be lining up behind him...
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hangloose Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:30 PM
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10. One piece of good news, keep it coming
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:33 PM
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11. awesome n/t
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:24 PM
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38. Glad to see you here.
I agree.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:17 PM
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43. Seito, sorry, not taking the bait. I've got work to do
Hey, I can now start an ignore list. Feel confirmed. Good.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:46 PM
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45. I totally did not mean to offend
My deepest appologies if that is how it was interpreted. :eyes:

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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:34 PM
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47. Seito
Is this not what we been telling people all along LOL. Have we not said that he hadn't quit anything and when he got ready and the time was right he would make his move. Have we not been saying he was working on this behind the scenes. Well at least we can feel good for knowing we were right and never doubted the man to start with!

KERRY :yourock:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:45 PM
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48. Damn Straight AngryDemocrat
Not that we would ever RUB IT IN or anything. :bounce:

Of course, when the excitement wears off, we the faithful, will be called upon once again to to Kerry the banner forth in battle lol!!!


No Retreat No Surrender
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mdb Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:40 PM
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17. And is Blackwell going to respond in a timely manner?
Or will we see a response similar to the Conyers response of Blackwell taking almost two weeks to respond and then once he responded not one question was answered.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:50 PM
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24. Wonder who Hannity will have on now to scream at?!
He totally lost it with Arnebeck. Yet they're gonna have to spin this quick!
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mdb Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:54 PM
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28. Hannity and all Repubs can "get over it"over Ukraine as well. n/t
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:42 PM
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19. Major, major development!
Now we are getting serious!
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:48 PM
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21. wow great news!
I hope that this all works out the way it should work out.

KERRY/EDWARDS 2004 may not be a lost dream and hope!

HELP IS ON THE WAY (I hope!!) :D

:kick:
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:48 PM
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22. Nice, but I want more!
Come out swinging!
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:49 PM
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23. I do too.
:kick:
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:51 PM
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26. Me, three!
n/t :bounce:
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mdb Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:51 PM
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25. It's not just a "recount'?
It's a "hand recount".
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:53 PM
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27. How do you know it's a "hand recount"? n/t
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:55 PM
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29. buzzard
"The letter, which was sent Wednesday, also asks that Blackwell require hand counts in any county where machines have been compromised, or have an independent expert inspect the machines."

From the post above...
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:09 PM
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32. Thank You I should have read that. n/t
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:14 PM
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35. No problem!
:hi:
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:10 PM
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33. Kerry has got them coming and going
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 06:22 PM by shraby
"hand count or inspect the machines" BWaaahhhahahahahahah

Katherine is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Kerry let Kathy dig the hole deep then took away the shovel.

on edit..

Didn't the head of Triad say that they had to recalibrate all of their machines because of the recount? Something like 41 or 43 of them? Seems I read it on dailykos.

another edit...
Another BOE employee signed an affadavit about Diebold "fixing" their machine in her county too. Saw that one today.
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:43 PM
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44. Maybe 60,000,000 voters (that would be Kerry voters) should
just show up in Ohio and Blackwell can just count them and be done with it!
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:09 PM
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31. IN CASE YOU'D LIKE THE TEXT OF THE LETTER....
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 06:10 PM by Shalom
(NOTE: The text below was transcribed by hand from the pdf files provided by "Raw Story" (thanks!), so check against original before going out on a limb. It would be nice to get opinions from the attorneys as well as us laymen on this)

December 15, 2004

The Honorable J. Kenneth Blackwell
Ohio Secretary of State
180 E. Broad Street, 16th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215

Re: Compromised Hocking County Recount

Dear Secretary Blackwell:

I am writing to you on behalf of John Kerry and John Edwards, the Democratic Party candidates for President and Vice-President of the United States at the November 2, 2004 general election.

Given the information that has come to light regarding activity that occurred on December 10, 2004 at the Hocking County Board of Elections, the integrity of using the Board’s computerized tabulating system to conduct the recount of the presidential election has been seriously compromised. I assume that by now your office is fully aware of the affidavit by the Deputy Director of the Hocking County Board of Elections regarding what she observed and heard. Based upon this affidavit, I hereby request that you conduct a thorough investigation of the matter. In the meantime, the tabulating system should not be used for the recount and I hereby request that you order the Hocking County Board of Elections to conduct a full hand recount of the ballots and not use the tabulating system for the recount. I also request that you immediately impound the tabulating equipment and programming, and preserve it in its present state, and prohibit access to the same.

I also request that your office immediately review with all other boards of elections whether representatives of any company that may have been employed to program or prepare their tabulating equipment for the recount were made aware of the precinct or precincts that would be included in the three percent hand count. If such is the case, I request that you take corrective action, including ordering full hand recounts or allowing the candidates to have the systems tested by outside independent experts.

As the state’s Chief Elections Official, you have both the authority and responsibility to take these actions. Time is of the essence and your immediate attention is required. I look forward to your response.

Very truly yours,

Donald J. McTigue


Cc: Daniel J. Hoffheimer
Kerry-Edwards State Counsel, Ohio


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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:13 PM
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34. I read the letter at RAW. I beleive this subject line is misleading, nt
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:15 PM
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36. But... but he can't be... he wants to destroy democracy ITSELF!!!
LMAO

Great news.

NGU.


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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:33 PM
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40. The Destroyer of Democracy Strikes Again
You know, none of this is true. JK just can't be doing ANYTHING. I haven't seen him on TV. All is lost I tell you. We are DOOMED....DOOMED.... :wow:

ROFLMAO!!!!

No Retreat No Surrender

Not in this lifetime

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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:54 PM
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50. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
Kerry cant be do anything cause he is run like hell and hid under a rock :scared: LMAO! If he was doing anything he would be screaming at the top of his lungs:wow: Why he be dancing a fancy jig :bounce: for all the world to see. LMAO


No Retreat No Surrender
Kerry :yourock:
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:30 PM
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39. I just sent this URL and story off to 15 people and
THE MEDIA.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Kerry/Edwards.

Help is on the Way -- So is HOPE!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:00 PM
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41. The Rattlesnake!
A noble creature with a simple, elegant strategy. Coil up. Look like a rock. Wait... wait... wait... wait... wait... shake the rattle a little, to fuzz up their brains, wait....., wait....., wait..., then...

My call, somewhere here in DU. But I wasn't sure. To appearances, he looked ambivalent. But I most definitely had this vivid image arrive in my brain, unbidden, and it felt exactly right. The rattlesnake.

I have Keltic and Native American blood, going way back. We sometimes know these things. But everybody has some root like this to the natural world. Some people are a little more able to let the image arise, intepret it, vet it for Truth, and then find a way to express it. I tend to be too rational, too skeptical, because sometimes such images are wishes wanting to be fulfilled, or images of what should be done, rather than what is. They often get mixed up. Don't want to be caught just wishing, do we? --like a child.

May all the Keltic and Native American Gods, and the real Christian God, and all the Gods everywhere, protect him, and us, and our country's beautiful ideals of justice, truth, peacefulness and generosity!

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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:50 PM
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49. Thank you for that wonderful imagery
I will hope, dream and visualize like a child.

No Retreat No Surrender
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:09 PM
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52. I LOVE JOHN KERRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:
There, I said it. I feel better now.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:47 PM
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53. bunny planet
Nothing wrong with that there are plenty of us around here like that.

NO RETREAT NO SURRENDER!!!
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