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Farmgirl Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:41 PM
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UKIAH RABBLE-ROUSERS JAILED FOR QUESTIONING OHIO SECRETARY OF STATE
I know that this happened on December 6th, but I pulled this off Daily Kos and I think it's a very, very telling read. I think that KO might want to have these folks on "Countdown".

UKIAH RABBLE-ROUSERS JAILED FOR QUESTIONING OHIO SECRETARY OF STATE - By Dan Hamburg

On Monday, December 6, my wife Carrie and I, accompanied by a local ABC cameraman and a local radio talk show host, attempted to deliver a letter to the Secretary of State of Ohio, J. Kenneth Blackwell. Mr. Blackwell is housed on two floors of the Borden Building in downtown Columbus. We requested that Secretary Blackwell commence the recount of votes in Ohio, that he refrain from certifying Rebublican electors until the recount was completed, that he respond to questions posed to him by 123 House Judiciary Committee members led by Rep. John Conyers regarding the election and that he formally recuse himself from the recount.

I was surprisesd that very few Ohioans I spoke with over my week in the Buckeye state knew that the Secretary of State - in addition to being the constitutional officer in charge of the election - also served as co-chair of the Ohio campaign to elect Bush/Cheney, and as the spokesman for the state ballot initiative to ban gay marriage. This is the second time in two elections that the Secretary of State in the crucial battleground state also served as teh Bush/Cheney campaign chair. In 2000, it was Katherine Harris, who now represents Florida's 13th district in the U.S. Congress. Word in Ohio is that Blackwell's sights are even higher. He intends to run for governor of Ohio in two years, no doubt with significant help from the Bush machine.

From the moment we presented identification (God forbid anyone should try to go anywhere in post-9/11 America without picture identification!), there was trouble. Private security officers moved in to discourage us to pass through the now-omnipresent metal detectors and on to the elevators. However, we breezed past them, found an elevator and whom should we find on the same elevator that we were taking but J. Kenneth Blackwell himself.

"Hello, Mr. Secretary," I said. "I'm former congressman Dan Hamburg from California. We have a letter for you, requesting you recuse yourself from the upcoming recount of Ohio's presidential vote. We have also raised several other issues that need your attention immediately." Blackwell quickly launched into a blustering monologue about how we didn't understand Ohio law because if we did, we'd know that he had nothing to do with counting the votes. With the floors whizzing by, my wife Carrie asked Blackwell whether he thought there might be at least the appearance of a conflict of interest in his serving as both final arbiter of the vote and as co-chair of Ohio Bush/Cheney. Blackwell frowned, the elevator door opened, he made a beeline for his private office and disappeared behind glass and steel. However, we were far from alone. There to meet us as we stepped out was a phalanx of law enforcement and security officers - Columbus Police, Ohio Highway Patrol, Borden Building security, and several husky plainclothesmen.

I remember thinking that Columbus must be a really low crime town since they had the ability to assign so many officers to a couple of 50-plus-year-olds who hadn't even let off a loud chant. After being rebuffed from attending the Secretary's press conference (despite our Bullhorn press credentials) we retreated to Zuppa's, a very untrendy cafe located on the north side of the lobby. We ordered orange juice and sat down at a table. Within minutes, security was all over us.

"You must leave this building now," said the exasperated Borden security cop, his hands shaking quite visibly. "What's this charge?" I asked. "Are we trespassing or do you just 'reserve the right to refuse service to anyone?'" "You must leave this building now," he repeated. "Sorry, we're not going. We don't believe we're trespassing by sitting here drinking our orange juice. We're not interfering with other patrons of the building. We're not blocking or obstructing anything. But we understand that you're just doing your job. Please try to understand that we also need to do ours."

It took about 15 minutes for several Columbus police and Highway Patrol officers to appear on the scene. We were cuffed, and taken out behind the building to a waiting patrol car. That was the beginning of our experience as arrested midemeanants under the authority of Franklin County. Over the next 30 hours, we were printed (not just fingers but hands) twice, photographed three times, cuffed and uncuffed more times than we could count, held in unheated and odor-challenged holding tanks for hours on end, served endless smashed baloney-on-white sandwiches, and subjected continuously to the sneering looks and acid tongues of our jailers.

We also had the opportunity to meet some of the people we had come to Ohio to see-- poor, mostly African-American folks, the people for whom voting on November 2 had often been such a challenge. From inside the Franklin County Corrections Center (known affectionately as "The Workhouse") I heard stories from people who knew people who had waited many hours and braved lousy weather just to cast a vote to rid the country of the stench of George W. Bush.

It was not by chance that in Franklin County there were less voting machines available than in 2000, depite the fact that election officials, from Ken Blackwell on down, knew that registration was up nearly 25%. By contrast, the strong GOP precincts were provided with more machines.

Katherine Harris rode her performance in the duel roles of Florida Secretary of State and co-chair of the Bush/Cheney capaign to the US congress. How far will Ken Blackwell go, having delivered Ohio in 2004? Elected officials like Harris and Blackwell sow discord by taking on multiple, and conflicting roles, especially when the presidency is at stake. Blackwell has caused another problem by housing himself in a private building, secluded from the public that pays his freight. A private corporation like Borden should not be running interference for elected officials. Nor should the police. It would have been more appropriate for Borden security, or Blackwell himself, to have made citizen's arrests and then let the court decide whether those arrests are appropriate to the circumstances.


:wtf:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:47 PM
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1. Elsie the cow must be turning in her grave. I just love this guy.
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 05:48 PM by sfexpat2000
I got his mail through my Green party network but it was well worth reading again.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:50 PM
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2. link?
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Dolphyn Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:46 AM
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26. Hey, I found the link!
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:51 PM
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3. I saw the story but did not hear it from the horses mouth
Thanks for the post! Makes ya just want to storm his office and say 'How Fucking Dare You' don't it?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:00 PM
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4. Is this a hoax?
"We requested that Secretary Blackwell commence the recount of votes in Ohio, that he refrain from certifying Rebublican electors until the recount was completed, that he respond to questions posed to him by 123 House Judiciary Committee members led by Rep. John Conyers regarding the election and that he formally recuse himself from the recount.

There are only 36 members of the House Judiciary Committee.

http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx

A former member of Congress should know that none of the committees are anywhere near that size.

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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:08 PM
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6. Ooooooooooops! Good catch Freddie
Still fun to read though!
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:10 PM
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8. Twas Likely A Typo?
I think they meant 12 and slipped onto the 3?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:28 PM
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9. Perhaps. Does anyone have a link to the original of this?
:shrug:
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:29 PM
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10. Here Ya Go
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:33 PM
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17. Why do you immediately assume...
...it was Hamburg's mistake, and get all huffy about "a former member of Congress should know..."? --without even checking the original report. Even if the mistake is there as well, why assume the worst, that's he's ignorant, or not who he says he is (implicaton, it's some kind of hoax)--rather than it's a mere typo. This kind of response is not very helpful. It leads to a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation. If you have a question about the facts in a piece, ask it--and get the answer before you start casting aspersions on someone, or something.

This story is quite true. (I happen to know Dan.) The number of committee members is obviously a typo.

One further question: Why don't you criticize Blackwell, who had the Hamburg's arrested merely for speaking to him?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:23 PM
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21. Every time phony info is put out there, it discredits our side
For example, shortly after the election, there was a study done by some chucklehead that allegded that there was something fishy going on in Florida because Bush won by a large margin in some counties that had more registered Democrats than Republicans. Apperently this guy was completely unaware of the phenomanon of conservative southern Dixiecrats. So the Miami Herald does a study and confirms that is arguement was completey bogus.

It is unfortunate that some here are all to eager to follow any pied piper as long as that person is playing the tune that they want to hear.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:26 PM
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22. Every time phony info is put out there, it discredits us.
For example, shortly after the election, there was a study done by some chucklehead that allegded that there was something fishy going on in Florida because Bush won by a large margin in some counties that had more registered Democrats than Republicans. Apperently this guy was completely unaware of the phenomanon of conservative southern Dixiecrats. So the Miami Herald does a study and confirms that is arguement was completey bogus. After that the the questions about the legiimacy of florida pretty much fell by the wayside.

It is unfortunate that some here are all to eager to follow any pied piper as long as that person is playing the tune that they want to hear.
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ccarter84 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:31 AM
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29. dude, the dixiecrats are a fading breed, as was
figured out by the more logical people, they all signed up 30/40 years ago and are slowly dying off, something fishy was going on down in FL, but hey whatever
look at Suwanee Co. if you have questions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x96278
from 2000-2004 40% increase for Bush, and only a mere 11% increase for kerry...
seems to me to be a suspicious influx of dixiecrats over the last four years hmmm?
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:55 AM
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27. here is the exact article from Hamburg
Dan Hamburg personally sent this article to me. I posted it on my website without changing anything. here is a link to it as it came to me:
http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection/articles/1213-hamburg.html

the article in this thread is very similar but not exactly the same.

my article does not contain the reference to 123 Judiciary Committee members.

Since I don't know where the text in this thread came from, I can't comment on it, but I can tell you in complete confidence that the Hamburg letter I have posted is definitely real.

is something fishy? I don't know.

Does Karl Rove have a habit of starting with something that's true, and then adding something false to it, to make the entire thing look bad?

yes.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:07 PM
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5. Deleted message
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:09 PM
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7. Is It?
We all knew the story, but a thread on it from the horses mouth? Please back up the Old news claims and find the thread if you can that had this story. I don't recall seeing it and would be curious to read the comments it had.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:34 PM
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11. I like the horses mouth, too.
Thanks!
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:38 PM
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13. Nope. Thanks for posting. Who can keep up with everything
what with people posting 20 new threads an hour just in this forum alone.

The eye-witness story of what these people went through is moving and fascinating (in a WTF? kind of way).

Mr. Blackwell has lost all credibility (whether or not he once had any integrity in the first place is also highly questionable.)
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:37 PM
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12. where is the link????????
iT'S KINDA HARD TO SEND THIS STORY TO MEDIA INCLUDING MSN IF THERE IS NO LINK.
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Farmgirl Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:10 PM
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19. pbartch...I was in a hurry to put this up and...
there wasn't a link at Daily Kos -- the person posting said that it came from "The Bullhorn Rag" out of Ukiah, CA (http://www.bullhornrag.com), but they had no online presence and therefore had to type it all in -- I didn't have time to go fishing for it (had to pick up my daughter at school).

Sorry about that...
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:02 AM
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28. here is a link
Please link to this page, not the text at the beginning of this email.

I know Dan Hamburg wrote the text in this link:

http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection/articles/1213-hamburg.html
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:45 PM
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14. No, you were arrested for violating the law. Get a grip. n/t
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regularjoe Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:27 PM
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23. Which law did they violate? n/t
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The Judged Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 04:27 AM
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30. "duh" law?
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:41 AM
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25. Challenging a republican... nt
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:48 PM
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15. Blackhole said that a private business called to have the Hamburgs
ejected. Does it sound like that was a true statement? Not to me... If Blackwell or his office did it themselves, it would, I believe, be another 1st Amendment breach in that "we the people" have a right to peaceful protest, distribution of fliers, etc. not just outside a public office building (where a sec. of state SHOULD be) but also a private shopping center, so says the Supreme Court(PRUNEYARD SHOPPING CENTER ET AL. v. ROBINS ET AL.)
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:55 PM
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16. Boy, California is doing a lot of work in Ohio
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 07:42 PM by BrotherBuzz
us Californians wear the RABBLE-ROUSER label with pride ;)

Dan Hamburg - Ukiah, California
Joan Quinn - Sacramento, California
Eve Roberson - Santa Rosa, California
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:43 PM
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18. Old news? Not so! KICK!
Yeah, and crossing the Selma bridge is old news, too. It's vital to preserve these stories, and keep them in our minds, to know what's it's like for the volunteers in Ohio right now, who are out there on the front lines, in danger, taking abuse, exhausted, trying to save our democracy. We can't repeat these stories often enough here--to remind ourselves of the context in Ohio, and to inform others newly joining--and because they are getting no attention in the corporate news, which often treats this event like a dry legal matter, and generally only pays attention to "official" people.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:16 PM
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20. Fantastic story and fantastic find
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:17 AM
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24. Contact Borden about this: 614.225.4000
The Borden Family of Companies (Chemicals, Food Products)


614.225.4000
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