LET'S NOT LOSE A SOURCE! Anybody Else Here In Contact With Madsen???

[IAMREALITY]

We need a new intermediary as a DU/Madsen link.

I remember there being a few other people in contact with him but don't remember who.

Anybody else still in correspondance with him that could pass along info to DU?

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

1. Jamboi was primo contact I believe .... n/t

[IAMREALITY]

2. Good use of the word WAS. n/t

[eek]

5. I think that Bradblog can get in touch with him.

Worth asking, anyway.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

6. what do you mean was? n/t

[Freddie Stubbs]

9. Why not anymore?

Did I miss something? :shrug:

[KittyWampus]

10. Did I Miss An Episode Of The Soap Opera?

[IAMREALITY]

11. I have no idea what happened, and it's none of my damn business really

But what is IMPORTANT is that we maintain a Madsen corrospondence with DU.

IS ANYBODY ELSE IN CONTACT WITH HIM?

[KoKo]

16. Spit it out....was "jamboi" Tombstoned on DU or what the hell are you

talking about...:shrug:

[AntiFascist]

3. Are you aware of what was recently posted at DailyKos?

then deleted, just curious.

[IAMREALITY]

4. Yeah, I know All about it

Since I was mentioned for some ungodly known reason.

Kinda had me rattled today actually. I've never been part of my own conspiracy theory before.

[AntiFascist]

7. hahaha....

so has it been "retracted"?

[IAMREALITY]

8. I signed up today

at Kos so I could respond and ask him why the heck he feels that way about me, but I can't post till tomorrow. Course, if it was deleted I guess the point is moot anyway LOL.

Really weird the stuff that can go round in cyberspace.

I do have to side in one way with Bozo though. Even though I'm still torn as to what to think of Jamboi since he has always seemed to be productive here, I did do a search on his posts and he has been posting round the clock, including from yesterday to today for like 28 hours straight. He said on Kos that he has had trouble sleeping, but that is just really strange any way you look at it.

[Straight Shooter]

13. Well, I just got in from a hike and WHAT THE HECK is going on?

Is there a prob between two of my favorite DU'ers?

I went to dailykos and saw nothing. C'mon, IAMREALITY, spill.

Please?

[smartvoter]

15. Yeah. What did we miss? nt

[IAMREALITY]

17. I will PM you shortly ok?

I don't want to discuss this directly here, I don't know DU rules regarding this and don't want to break them. Kos had nothing to do with his departure from here though.

[noonriser]

21. Guess the rest of us stay in the dark.

can you at least say if Jamboi got tombstoned? Is that true?

:shrug:

[intelle]

27. I checked

He is tombstoned.

[noonriser]

31. Thanks! For my future reference, can you

tell me how to check?

:shrug:

[intelle]

55. Two ways

You can click on "profiles" and then type in the username. What I did was click on "search", and type in the username, and then limit the search to "author". I got a number of hits, and then searched for the username in the one of the threads, and then clicked on "profile" from the post I found.

The first method is definitely easier. I just was curious to see when he had posted last.

[noonriser]

57. Thanks! I'll give it a whirl. (nt)

[IAMREALITY]

47. Intelle, You have Been PM'd n/t

[intelle]

52. Thanks, IAR!

[Straight Shooter]

25. Thanks.

I'm a worried little critter over here.

[IAMREALITY]

37. Straight, I just PM'd You. nt

[KoKo]

14. Did "Jamboi" get "tombstoned" like "Bozo's?" What's this about, anyway?

just asking....I don't post on Kos and only read over there from DU links...some more "in-fighting" like Bev and such...more Dem Activists Implosion?

:shrug:

[alittlelark]

107. Jamboi appears not to be in the 'profiles'

odd...

[KoKo]

18. WHO feels WHAT about YOU for us "clueless on DU, here?" What

are you talking about.... :shrug:

[KoKo]

99. Ha.....no answer.........speaks volumes.......n/t

[IAMREALITY]

100. Huh?

There are answers throughout this whole thread! Not sure what you need? :shrug:

[Stephanie]

102. Here's your answer, KoKo

Quite a read!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/16/24318/570

[seabeyond]

143. wow, that was interesting

huh. thanks for sharing. was curious what all was talking. hm

[Quakerfriend]

19. I missed what happened IAR

But, you and Jamboi have been such mainstays here! Hope Jamboi hasn't departed... Anyway, I am glad you brought up Madsen.

Do you suppose the FBI has asked him to stop any correspondence? That might be a good thing I'm guessing. He seemed to disappear right after Curtis gave testimony in OH.

I noticed that even Jamboi was looking for him several days ago. Said he had emailed Madsen but hadn't heard back.

[IAMREALITY]

29. Ok Listen

First I want to make ABSOLUTELY CLEAR I am not affiliated with Jamboi in ANY way.

Secondly, I have NO IDEA why he was tombstoned on DU, rather then a statement from a Mod stating that his actions on the board were inappropriate. That is their choice and none of my business. I'm not sure what his actions were, and I haven't seen any Bev like drama with him, but I'm sure as ALWAYS the mods had a good reason, and I'll be damned if I question them.

Thirdly, though unrelated, there was a blog on Kos that called him and a few other DU'rs out (including myself) by who we used to know as Bozos For Bush. It was a rant and basically just saying Jamboi can't be trusted blah blah blah and he is linked to Activists or somethin I don't really understand.

The mention of me was simply just one word, included in a short lists of names supposedly in Jamboi's posse, which I obviously am not.


edit to add: I really didn't want to be involved in this, have no idea why I am, would love a contact for Bozos so I can ask what the heck I did, don't want to create any drama, and hope this thread isn't breaking any rules. The intent of this thread literally is to make sure that since a troop has fallen, we have a replacement ASAP for the important connection that troop had.

[intelle]

51. I read the Bozos link

and, I first wanted to say that I have seen your posts, and I have no doubt that you are a sincere, motivated poster. And, I have no idea why Bozos would think that you are connected to jamboi. I sure haven't seen any indication of that in anything that has been posted here.

That said, I have to admit that I had been wondering about how prolific jamboi's posting was. I had just checked yesterday, and, while he joined on 11/24, he had over 2000 posts here. In contrast, I joined on 11/9 (I think this is accurate), and while I post frequently, I have only between 300 and 400 posts.

Maybe he never slept. Who knows. But, I did think it was a little strange.



:shrug:

[IAMREALITY]

58. I know

I hate to question Jamboi as I was a supporter of most of his posts, but it really opened my eyes today when I did a thread search of his Name and using like the last ten threads could see he posted straight from like noon yesterday straight through noon today, noting each time there was at longest I think a break of almost an hour? Just seems weird no matter how obsessed you are or how much sleep you lose, but maybe they were all in fact legit. I have no way of knowing. It spooked me out though cause when I read the bozos thing on Kos and saw my name the first thought through my head was "well this is obviously bullshit and a worthless rant, I ain't connected to him at all", and then I dismissed it with a grain of salt thinking that if the part about me was obviously not true, then the rest probably isn't either. When I saw that he was actually pretty dead on with Jamboi's round the clock posting is when I got nervous, cause then it hit me shit, maybe some of it is true, and though I know my part isn't, what about someone else reading it? If they do the same search I did and corroborate the Jamboi part, couldn't they then easily assume the legitimacy to my role as well? That is what then made me rattled, but fuck it, that's what ya get in cyberspace, and lord knows I never have nor ever will feel the need to justify who I am to anybody.

[intelle]

64. I respect your posts, IAR

and, I have seen other posters here say the same thing. I tend to be a little gullible, but, when something arouses my suspicions, I usually don't negate it. I have only seen a few posters in my six weeks here that have made me nervous. You are certainly not one of them.

:hi:

[SueZhope]

75. Nothing fishy about you from over here!!!

I always enjoy reading your posts...its odd any one would try and link you to any kind of
conspiracy posters..( i did not see the Kos post so I'm sure what's going on.)

[hlthe2b]

105. I probably shouldn't even weigh in, but I will say that many with ADD

can HYPERFOCUS on things they find interesting, while when faced with multiple tasks which are not so interesting, they become totally distracted and often unable to stay with any one thing to finish...

So, a marathon session on DU doesn't seem out of the realm of possiblities for some adult ADDers--especially if they had recently started treatment with adderall or ritalin or were just hyped on OTC stimulants.

Pure speculation with respect to any given DUer, but just want to point out that it is a possibility.

[jdog]

117. IAR - I really enjoy your whole attitude on DU.

I sure don't have any doubts about you.

[AntiFascist]

22. Hmmmm.....

if Lyndon Larouche is really trying to disrupt DUers discussions of election fraud, could he be working for Rove and company (not intending to imply that you or Jamboi are involved in any way)? That would be great to link the administration with a crazed fascist/communist.

[Eloriel]

59. Crazed fascist/communist?

Sigh. Communism and Fascism are polar opposites on the political/economic spectrum. It would be very hard indeed to be a combination of the two.

I don't know enough about LaRouche's personal political beliefs and positions, but again, not likely he's both.

[AntiFascist]

68. which is why I used the term "crazed".....

and I'm not exaggerating if you believe the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche

<snip>
LaRouche is characterized by his critics as a conspiracy theorist. He is frequently described as an extremist or a cult leader, and is accused of being a fascist and anti-Semite. He denies these charges, and his followers regard him as a major political figure.
<snip>
During this period he read works by Karl Marx and was converted to Marxism. While travelling home from India on the troop ship SS General Bradley in 1946, he met Don Merrill, a fellow soldier, who was also from Lynn. Merrill won LaRouche to Trotskyism on the journey home. Back in the United States, LaRouche attempted to resume his university education, but again dropped out of Northeastern.
<snip>
According to Dan Jacobs of the International Workers Party, LaRouche obtained work at a General Electric factory in Lynn, in line with the SWP's policy of "proletarianizing" their members. Jacobs claims that in 1952 he was fired from his job for absenteeism. LaRouche has said of this period that he went through a serious period of introspection, (which Fred Newman of the International Workers Party describes as a "nervous breakdown" <1> (http://www.ex-iwp.org/docs/1975/Critical%20Practice.htm)). Jacobs claims that he attended a speech by LaRouche to the NCLC National Committee Plenum in the spring of 1973, in which LaRouche described this period of introspection twenty-one years earlier as having been like:

"stripping away all the layers of my persona, like an onion. If you take this far enough, you get to the point where you become terrified that there's nothing inside all the peelings-that you're a nobody. This put me in a suicidal state. It was only my tremendous ego-strength, which my parents had provided me, that saved me from suicide."
<snip>
LaRouche had a gargantuan ego. Convinced he was a genius, he combined his strong conviction in his own abilities with an arrogance expressed in the cadences of upper-class New England. He assumed that the comment in the Communist Manifesto that "a small section of the ruling class cuts itself adrift, and joins the revolutionary class..." was written specifically for him. And he believed that the working class was lucky to obtain his services.
<snip>
The group also opposed the zero-growth policies of the Club of Rome and formed a countergroup named "Club of Life" on the issue.
<snip>
In the 1980s LaRouche launched the Proposition 64 initiative in California which would have placed AIDS back on the State List of Communicable Diseases subject to Public Health law. Opponents claimed that the measure could have instituted quarantines and sexual contact tracing.

LaRouche has opposed the United Nations and other international organizations in cases where he says they interfere with the concept of the Westphalian state and the Platonic ideal of a "perfectly sovereign nation-state republic". This holds especially true for their conduct toward the nations of the Third World, where LaRouche argues that they practice neocolonialism.
<snip>

[Jo March]

71. Eloriel!!! There you are!

I hadn't seen any of your posts lately and had begun to panic. With all of the drama, I thought that you had been sucked into a black hole of theatrics!

Relieved to see you!

[althecat]

103. Larouche's views are foremostly anti-banking oligarchy...

And in that regard I am inclined to agree with him. As someone once said money is the root of all evil..

Anyway.. back to reading this fascinating MYSTERY thread...

:)

[hootinholler]

104. What do you mean?

Ain't them moderates?

:P GDRFC!

-Hoot

[AntiFascist]

122. LOL n/t

[Stephanie]

74. Please explain

Did the Kos post say that LaRouche sent posters here to disrupt our discussions?

[AntiFascist]

87. The Kos link is still active and posted below....

I think the allegation was that Jamboi and IAMREALITY were working in tandem with LaRouche supporters to disrupt the election fraud investigations. I wouldn't doubt that there are LaRouche supporters or other right-wing elements among us, but I get the feeling that Jamboi and IAMREALITY are sincere. If anything I feel partially responsible for stirring things a little too much to the left for the likes of many centrists, anyway I'm trying to contact Jamboi now.

[regularjoe]

23. What happened? n/t

[IAMREALITY]

40. Please see post 29

[mattclearing]

32. Actually, I did that recently.

When I was studying for finals and procrastinating. It is possible to do.

[pick_a_dilly]

73. not retracted --- just slipped off the recent list . . .

Jamboi-PaineInTheArse-Activisms-Auditors Disinformation Conspiracy Exposed

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/16/24318/570


now complete w/ jamboi's claim of innocence????

[noonriser]

12. I missed whatever it is. Can you elaborate? (nt)

[KoKo]

20. More "EGO WARS"....probably...n/t

[noonriser]

24. Be my guess as well.

Happy to hear about Bozo, but Jamboi seemed on the up-and-up. Hopefully time will tell the story a little clearer.

[Quakerfriend]

28. Madsen info. anybody?

Should we be worried about him?:scared:

[Straight Shooter]

26. I don't think that applies here

We've got a couple people who are only interested in the truth, and that's my perception until something earth-shattering changes it.

[IAMREALITY]

42. Please see post 29

[rockedthevoteinMA]

30. I don't know about Jamboi ...last I saw he was here

but I read at KOS this AM - Bozos had written some huge statement slamming Auditors (at BBV) ... a couple of people at CSCG ...and Jamboi and IAMREALITY here - saying they were all plotting to screw us up.

Sorry Mods if this isn't appropriate. :(

I thought it was a little wacky - Bozos kinda scares me.

[noonriser]

33. Sounds like Bozo

He creeped me out too. So openly antagonistic to any point of view not his own. I am sorry to hear about Jamboi though. Sorry to IAMREALITY too that you were attacked too. That's completely uncalled for, but like I said, it doesn't surprise me of Bozo. That shit he pulled with EOWYN pissed me off too.

:mad:

[IAMREALITY]

36. It really did have me rattled today

I'm just a married guy with an adorable 1 yr old and second on the way. I post here because I refuse to accept what happened Nov 2 and prior.

To be called out as a member of some "PROFESSIONAL" posse on a different website just made me realize how unsafe our images really are in cyberspace.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

39. I'm sorry you were singled out like that IAR -

I highly doubted it... Sounded like someone was losing it, maybe? (bfb)

:pals:

[smartvoter]

49. Don't sweat it. Tensions are high right now -- the clock and all. nt

[noonriser]

54. Hope you're feeling better about it now. I think

Bozo's lost it, though I was never sure he had it all there to begin with! Don't let him get to you. I like your posts so keep them up.
Screw 'im!

:bounce:

[helderheid]

61. i relate

I'm with you. I'm a stay at home mom to an adorable 4 year old son and 2 year old daughter and am here to get any news on the latest democracy robbery.

Sorry to hear you got caught up in a mini-scandal! Hey, you're famous. :)

[IAMREALITY]

34. Fuck, It's Gone This Far, Might as Well give the damn link

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/16/24318/570

[Goldeneye]

38. Wow that's weird

Jamboi was on here a lot though. What does this say about Madsen? Anything?

[IAMREALITY]

44. I have no idea

I posted in another thread earlier that I no longer trust any post on any topic anymore by anybody. I will regard them all with cautious optimism, and will only trust those posters that my gut instinct tells me 100% are legit.

I don't know what to believe anymore. But still want to believe in madsen. Hopefully we will find a good intermediary here with him to keep us posted on developments.

[momzno1]

90. I don't know what the heck is going on

but didn't Madsen mention Jamboi in an article that he wrote?
and it isn't impossible to post around the clock. I don't do it, but I have been glued to the monitor for weeks now - I try to sleep. I am just a 42 year old woman with 3 beautiful kids - 2 of whom are boys close to draft age - who is royally pissed off that this country has gone INSANE!!!!!

It's sad, cause I always enjoyed Jamboi's posts....

[Straight Shooter]

43. Crap! Bozo called out AnIndependentTexan, too.

I don't believe this. I did notice Jamboi posting on most threads I visited every time I was on DU, but I'm on DU a lot. Doesn't mean I'm into subterfuge or anything nefarious.

This notation made me angry: "DU has exploded into fistfights over Kerry, Bev Harris, and who is a good member and who is not". There has been no explosion of fisticuffs, just the usual barking and baying that I've been witnessing on DU since Gawd-knows-when.

Thanks for the link, IAR. I'm going to have to step away and digest it a little bit. At first blush, I'm not convinced that Jamboi should have been tombstoned, but then again the mods have the final say.

[IAMREALITY]

45. Straight

I do not believe the Kos thing has anything to do with him being tombstoned, as per a mod.

I just want to make that clear in case there is any confusion.

[noonriser]

56. I know. I swear he's not playing with a full deck!

:crazy:

[seabeyond]

146. i am on a lot too

hubby thought he was going to get me back after nov 2. so did my kids, lol.

ya didnt appreciate the explode into fist fight stuff. not free republic, we disagree, we express. what america is about. how progression works. cant move forward without it

[IAMREALITY]

151. LOL

"hubby thought he was going to get me back after nov 2"

So did my wife LOL silly her hehehe

[SomthingsGotaGive]

173. So did my girlfriend

And I live in Canada.
She's pissed.

[seabeyond]

184. you guys are funny

and congrats on the baby

told husband last night i may be going to washington jan 6. what for. to be a dissident

didnt even phase him. he use to struggle some with my obsession now, yup, just is

[SomthingsGotaGive]

187. I wasn't clear ....

My girlfriend is pissed at Bush for stealing me away from her.

[greenmutha]

50. Thank you. I'd thought I'd lost my mind this morning when I read this,

left the computer and then came back after awhile trying to find it again... and the link from here had completely disappeared! Now at least I know I'm not going insane. :crazy:

[AntiFascist]

53. A ha!! Skinner used to work for.........

Joe Biden. Why doesn't Joe Biden answer questions about PNAC, hmmm? Why?!!!

(First rule of Fight Club is....)

[KoKo]

86. No....you are not correct on that.....(n/t)

[AntiFascist]

88. So the forum thread which implies that a certain website....

(which I won't mention for fear of being tombstoned) may have connections to the DLC is false, is that what you are saying?

[KoKo]

109. According to the information I know ....Skinner did not work for Joe Biden

that's what I'm telling you.

[AntiFascist]

163. Thanks for helping to clear that up.....

it calls into question the validity of the information posted about DU at that other site. :)

I look forward to seeing Skinner's response to my post in the Ask the Admin Forum.

[Freddie Stubbs]

62. Holy F-ing Sh*t

I thought something was odd when it was pointed that jamboi had amassed over 1500 posts in a few days. My guess it that he was more than one person posting under the same name, or he drank a hell of a lot of coffee and and posted from the bathroom.

[Stephanie]

77. Thanks for the link!

Fascinating.

[Stephanie]

78. delete

dupe

[SueZhope]

80. Gosh that post is over the top

Its odd any one would try and link you to any kind of
conspiracy poster group. all your posts seem very level headed.
I don't get how he linked you in.

I also think this stuff can get really weird.
(people are watching to many mystery movies)

[IAMREALITY]

81. Odd Isn't The Word

I really wish I could get in touch with Bozos for Bush somehow so I could ask him what the heck made him think that?

I thought the same about Jamboi though at first, like why the hell is he being called out, but when I did the search for his posts and found that he did post round the clock then I started to question my trust for him, and actually now question my trust for everything! LOL

I'm still torn whether to trust Jammy or not, I have no idea anymore...

[housewolf]

84. The BBV Post by Bozos

Can you get in touch with him via his post over there?

[SueZhope]

92. IAMREALITY i trust remembered

a post were Jamboi was attacking Fintan Dunne off
BreakForNews ...saying he was a Rove plant.

He criticized Madson but there was no other
reason to suspect he was a plant.....

do you recall this episode of strange posts tords Fintan?
:shrug:

[intelle]

110. I remember it, SueZHope n/t

[IAMREALITY]

41. Please see post 29

[MarkusQ]

35. Last I saw he was on a beeline for the deep end. As in "off the". (n/t)

[catgirl]

46. Is Jamboi really Madsen?

[alittlelark]

108. lemmings....

[seito]

48. Too much drama... n/t

[mgr]

60. Check BBV.org for more--General Discussion

This is my first post, but the entire Auditors saga has me seeing red.

My attitude is any board is open and free, and one should not use duplicity or deception. Free trade in free speech means to discuss and weigh others arguments, not belittle them if you disagree. Several times at the above site, I have seen this done to Auditors, by Voldemart or Larry Harmon. I took Auditors threads and issues with a large grain of salt, but was open to where it led.

As to Jamboi, being active almost all hours are consistent with manic depression, something my stepfather dealt with, or with working a graveyard shift, and not yet getting the circadian rhythms under control. This would also support the off the deep end comment.

My two cents as I return to the shadows

Mike

[ccarter84]

66. up all hours doesn't instantly equate to manic depression

I'm a college student and have some very odd sleeping patterns due to homework and social circles, don't think I qualify as manic...but I guess if you say so...

[Pirate Smile]

118. Why return to the shadows? You have shown yourself so why not

stay and play.:-)

[hlthe2b]

138. Whether any of the various conspiracies discussed here and elsewhere...

have any merit, there is so much of it, and so much is unfocused, I find it to be just overloading the cynicism and frustation quotient. I don't know what the answer is, but perhaps that is why so many seem to be "tuning out." At some point we overwhelm people's threshold for conspiracy, scandal, and "crisis."

Just reading through some of this has me exhausted, uncertain what to think, and generally depressed....:shrug:

[Nypsychtrst]

63. God, no!

[nonny]

65. Madsen spoke at Washington DC rally 12/13

I was hoping to hear somthing live from tha Ohio rally and found this link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x148636

Turns out that it was not from Ohio, but from DC and I heard Madsen speak.
Also, jamboi adds to thread "Madsen on now"

[RageKage]

67. He could just be a Meth addict...

That stuff can keep you up for 70-80 hours, no problem. I'm not at all kidding either. It is a very plausible scenario.

[Straight Shooter]

72. Come on, come on, not just meth

There are legal drugs which are given for people with narcolepsy, and it keeps them awake as long as they want to be awake. It's the same drug which is given to pilots in combat situations.

Esquire Magazine had an excellent article on it. Sorry, but I can't remember the name of the drug.

1500 posts does sound like someone who is a bit manic, or certainly zealous. And if one is going through an m/d cycle, it would tend to skew their perception and they might post a little less than rationally as the mania kicked in.

Jamboi is the only one who knows the truth about his situation. The rest is mere speculation.

[Razorback_Democrat]

79. Apparently he says he doesn't know why

after following the links from KOS to a page of Jamboi's, he describes himself as "DU in exile"

He says he has been trying to talk with the admins at DU.

Don't know what to think, he certainly had something to say about everything. But a lot of his post count was kicking things, or even just , marks to keep it kicked.

Hope whatever happened he is able to continue to be an activist for election reform as he seemed dedicated to that cause.

his site didn't look like the site of a "plant" as it looked like a typical liberal blog with lots of liberal ads on it etc.

I suppose that doesn't mean anything really.

[dlaliberte]

112. Sleep is overrated

OK, I have also been having a hard time doing anything else in my limited spare time but read all the messages and articles, and occasionally squeeze out one of my own contributions. I work full time and have a family life as well (kids in school, etc), and I have been surviving on 4-5 hours a night for the last month, sometimes 3. But I am not all that unusual.

Drugs? Not me, except for caffeine. I try to keep it down to 3 cups.

What keeps me going is nothing more than the unshakable desire to help in what little ways I can, to see justice done, and to hopefully prevent the disaster that is Bush from doing any more damage. Just like most of us, I am sure.

So I most certainly do NOT think that Jamboi should be banned merely because he posts all day long.

[mgr]

69. Not the point

I guess that one point I was making is that I would not wish to judge or condemn a good democrat by their sleeping habits. The election fraud issue is costing me sleep every night, however, I don't have internet access at home.

I would also hate to tell you, but in college, I worked forty hours on graveyard and carried a full load. My stepfather would on my nights off, conduct a marathon all night chess tournament with me to sunrise, and still be dressed and refreshed in morning.

The meth example works except tweakers crash at the oddest times.

Mike

[intelle]

70. I knew a few people in the past who were manic/depressive

And, they were cyclic...had their manic ups where they never slept, and then had their severe depressive downs when they were practically catatonic. Everyone has to crash eventually in order to survive.

[Quakerfriend]

76. The thing about Jamboi

was that 98% of his stuff was very grounded, and rational. I'll miss him and his marvelous input.

Hope that if he is sick that he well get well again real soon.

[eleny]

82. I had no idea this was all going on

Went out this afternoon to drive a friend to her eye doctor appointment and just got home to see this. I've learned so much since joining DU last year and am confident that if there are people trying to break DU, Dems or liberals apart, in the end they won't succeed.

Btw, someone here posted some of jambois thoughts found at his blog. The url for his blog was also posted at Kos. http://jamboi.mydd.com/ Hope this helps.

[IAMREALITY]

83. God Bless Him

I want to trust him so bad. I hope I haven't offended himn in any way it has just beeen a tough day on me.

Jamboi, good luck and God Bless.

[dweller]

89. he's in contact with BfB here

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/16/24318/570

scroll to bottom.


i recall his support in trying to help him here a few weeks ago.

this is very weird...good luck to us all.

dp

doh: i see this link is already posted...i got there a roundabout ways ...

[SueZhope]

94. after reading the Kos

blog its easy to trust him..he seems like a level person from that post.

Could bozos be the trouble maker? trying to say everyone is out to get everyone?
what to believe??? I'm going to keep an open mind.

Its actually very sad people get bashed when they might be totally harmless.
But then again .....how does one know for sure.....?

[IAMREALITY]

96. That's The Enigma

How the hell do we know anything for sure anymore?

I'm just gonna wake up tomorrow, take a deep breath, and get back to the important things like election fraud as if today never existed.

[geo]

182. I have spoken to both prior to this... I can answer....

but it'll be through PM, e-mail or AIM. I don't feel we should fill the thread on this issue. :) -G
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi all,

As for being in touch with Mr. Madsen, I will ask Jamboi when I speak with him next. I have a feeling Jamboi may need to work through some of us to get the word back to the DU forums unless the moderators are willing to have him back.

I am saddened by this event as many of you are. I have had the wonderful opportunity to speak with both Bozos and Jamboi in the recent past, and believe both men to be of fine character.

At the same time, I must acknowledge how thoughtful, rational and considerate of human flaws (in general) the decisions of our moderators and administrators have been. I am hoping that all parties can work things out so we can once again benefit from both their individual and collective endeavors.

Warmly,

George

[mamalone]

95. I'm just a lil' ole nobody..

but I really thought a lot of him as well. I'm hoping he'll be able to be back on here again soon.
Miss ya jamby:hug:

[noclonyofthechimp]

98. He posted this on the Kos. I just read the whole thread and there

were responses from him.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2004/12/16/24318/570/11#11

[eleny]

106. Take care

I feel the same as you. We Dems need to stick together. Our country sure needs us more than ever to be solid. :hug:

[WritersBlock]

85. Self-delete - Senior moment

Realised I was thinking of the wrong person when I posted; nevermind.

[ohio_liberal]

91. So he's

a manic depressive meth addict suffering from narcolepsy? :shrug:

[Pirate Smile]

120. LOL. Maybe?

:-)

[aquart]

127. Or he could be out of work like me.

I sleep the weirdest hours lately.

Oh, and menapausal. He could also be menapausal.

[ohio_liberal]

188. LOL

So he's an out of work, manic/depressive, menopausal crankhead suffering from narcolepsy and ADD.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

193. If thats the case I'll say he might be legit.

But its the ONLY way I'll buy it.

[lizzieforkerry]

197. LOL!!!!! I was taking this thread way to seriously

Thank you for the laugh!

[sabra]

93. IAMREALITY, today was a weird day...

I decided to start a new thread with my thoughts on the matter:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x170313

Peace,
Sabra

[DancingBear]

97. My wife just read this thread

and is now looking a tad askance at me...

Veeeerrrrrry interesting - but stupid. :)

[lizzieforkerry]

198. I was telling my husband about it last night

He now thinks I am crazy.

[KoKo]

101. Amazing the amount of "Private PM's" on this.....and the amount of

Post 11/2 posters who have racked up posts defending each other...

[klebean]

111. mmmmmm amazing

I registered around the same time Jamboi became active (I had perused DU previously).

I don't know what to make of him, but I do know I was suspicious at the speed of light in which he hit 1000 posts.

Quite a coincidence this comes out and Madsen's "forthcoming" addition is not
forthcoming...

I just don't know, but I listen and observe more than I opine.

[north houston dem]

132. I think I registered about then too.

And he did reach 1000 posts with light speed.

And he continually pushed the Madsen stuff - there was something there that told me to not pay too much attention to it.... I only read his postings intermittently
I hope I'm not breaking rules here.

I usually always look for yours IAR. Weird stuff going on without a doubt. And I don't understand WHY Larouche would want to derail this movement. Could someone PM me and enlighten this mom of four?

[m berst]

181. small problem

It would not be a good idea to claim to be someone's spokesperson at DU, and at the same time DU's representative to that person, without the two parties consenting to or even being aware of any such arrangement. The two parties might compare notes.

It would not be a good idea to give information to A, claiming it was from B, while giving the same information to B and claiming that it came from A. Again, A and B might compare notes.

Obviously, those are just a couple of the potential problems that could occur when someone acts as the "contact" between two parties.



on edit - added a letter that was missing

[intelle]

114. Not sure where this was directed

but I take it that you are suspicious of people who (1) are post 11/2 and, (2) come to the defense of another , and (3) tend to PM.

I don't know, but this statement sounds a little paranoid to me.

:shrug:

[alittlelark]

128. are you paranoid about the critique?

[intelle]

131. No. Should I be?

[alittlelark]

133. I dunno.

[intelle]

145. I am becoming concerned that speaking one's mind here

will invariably result in other posters, particularly the older ones, questioning the motives and sincerity of the poster in question.

Yes, I am sure there are newer posters here who may have come to disrupt, but, from what I have seen, these people are in the vast minority, and I don't think they last here very long.

It's not fair to lump newer posters into a category just because one does not agree with their opinions.

11/2 was a shock to a lot of us who fully expected Kerry to be elected. I was amazed that no one I spoke to subsequent to that time had any suspicions that something was very amiss with this election. I was very grateful that someone from one of my mailing lists recommended DU as a resource for information and discussion of this issue. There is a sense of community here that helped me get through the post-election grief I was experiencing, and it has helped me stay motivated to fight for the truth.

So, when I feel that my motives are being questioned by others here, it not only surprises me, it also makes me very sad to realize that the sense of community I have been feeling is very fragile indeed.

[smartvoter]

148. alittlelark did this to me a while back --it's ridiculous - ignore it .nt

[intelle]

155. Thank you Smartvoter

this helped.

:hi:

[IAMREALITY]

158. Intelle,

Don't sweat the 1% of DU that still don't get it....

We are all fighting for what is right, and I doubt anyone of value will truly question your integrity.

[intelle]

159. sure appreciated IAR...thank you! n/t

[smartvoter]

161. No problem -- wish it weren't necessary. Wasted energy, you know? nt

[IAMREALITY]

135. I'd like to hear what you have to say, if you feel the need to get it off

of your chest.

Please, I'm all ears. It would be more productive to just let it out and explain to the whole group here rather than hiding behind entendre's

[smartvoter]

150. alittlelark is full of it. Did the same to me and others. Ignore. nt

[IAMREALITY]

115. Hey KoKo

I don't think anyone here is gonna fall for what you are trying to imply, people are smarter than that.

And the post 11/2 DU'rs are the DU'rs of the future. Much like those after the 2000 election were. Everybody has to join at some time and you have no right to question anybody.

[KoKo]

116. Hey IMR......I've been around awhile....not someone who "tricks" easily...

In spite of how "gullable" I might appear....

[IAMREALITY]

119. No One Said You Would trick easily KoKo

Also have no reason to believe you to be "Gullible".

I WOULD like to know though why you have the nerve to imply what you are implying about anyone joining after Nov 2nd.

There has been enough fucking divisiveness here recently, and it serves NO ONE at DU ANY service for members to continue to try and undermine those that have shown nothing but positive effort for our COMMON fight.

Is in unfair, undeserved, and against the rules. The divisiveness has to fucking stop if we are to get anywhere in that cause. Old and New DU'rs alike have figured that out in the midst of the drama as late, and you could use learning that yourself.

[KoKo]

121. Hit Alert and tell the Mods and I will vanish.....

[IAMREALITY]

124. I'm sure other members have, but I haven't

Personally I'd rather an answer to the inquiry rather than a Dodge.

[KoKo]

134. Well...some of us do try to remain honest and pure.....I admire you for

that. Not "Doging" that is. :-)'s to you!

[alittlelark]

130. Americans ALWAYS have (had) the right to question.

[IAMREALITY]

136. But Americans Are Probably Strongest

When they can come up with the answer....

[m berst]

179. oh the irony

Would you be implying that some one else is implying something, while telling us that we should ignore people who are implying things?
:silly:

[alittlelark]

126. this thread and many others.

[IAMREALITY]

129. Elaborate Please n/t

[alittlelark]

137. Posters w/ less than 200 are supporting each others views all over DU

- look around-

It is a messed up situation for those who come here for truth.

[IAMREALITY]

139. Thing is we have to sort out the good from the bad

Are there some low posters that can be questionable at times? Sure. There are some here with high counts that can be questionable too. But I know for certain there are many low posters/newbies/and otherwise that have INCREDIBLE things to offer.

...for example the Ohio Court ruling earlier today, by a member with only a couple 'o posts.

We have to be vigilant with the info we receive here, regardless of post count. I no longer consider that count to be significant of anything. Trust who and what you want to trust, but always go with your gut and instincts, I'm sure you'll be fine.

And if for any reason you feel the need to not trust me, believe in me, support me, or fuck it, if ya just plain don't LIKE me, that's ok and I understand. Lord knows I can be a prick sometimes LOL

[havocmom]

152. OMG, finally posted something I agree with

but not for the reasons you posted it.

>>"Are there some low posters that can be questionable at times? Sure. There are some here with high counts that can be questionable too. But I know for certain there are many low posters/newbies/and otherwise that have INCREDIBLE things to offer."

>>"We have to be vigilant with the info we receive here, regardless of post count. I no longer consider that count to be significant of anything. Trust who and what you want to trust, but always go with your gut and instincts, I'm sure you'll be fine."

I shall fight the urge to quote further.

The thing about reality is that it is, in reality, all subjective. One person's reality is another person's illusion. Learned that from an old magician friend. He used a lot of smoke & mirrors.

[IAMREALITY]

156. Can't Help But Wonder What Illusion You Are Under

But I have no illusions, for I AM REALITY.

I'll wisely ignore the rest of your posts. My ass is goin to bed.

[havocmom]

162. Oh, please, ignore me, ignore me.

Not under any illusions at all. Not a good subject to be hypnotized either, but do have a damned good smoke detector.

Night-y night. Sleep tight. Don't let the the bed bugs bite.

[alittlelark]

153. Many are REAL and investigative.

others are not. When a cluster of low posters support a (?) idea, get curious.

[m berst]

178. hi

Just want to say hi and thanks. :hi:

I am very grateful for the rock solid integrity, discernment and courage of DUers such as yourself, SomthingsGotaGive, KoKo01, and havocmom.

I don't know any of you well, but I wanted to express my appreciation for the work that you do here and for the trustworthiness and reliability that you bring to the board.

Thank you. :toast:

[JMac]

176. Just to add a little something

I've lurked here for nearly 3 years, been signed up over a year and only recently reached 200 post. So as IMA says post counts can mean nothing.

ps. Now I'm paranoid because I agree with someone and I only have 200 post. BTW, this post isn't a directed toward you IMA. Just a general statement. Fuck it, bedtime anyway.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

141. I was waiting for the right post to respond to...

And yours is it.

BINGO!!!

Jamboi posted 400+ posts in his first three days.

136 posts a day.

[havocmom]

144. KoKo01, you just summed it up nicely.

Been watching a group of people who continually pat themselves on the backs and disparage a lot of highly respectable people around here. One of those highly respectable people sent me some links as I was away most of the week. Kos site certainly rang true to observations I have made and conclusions drawn from them. Same cast of characters too ;)

Seems there is a lot of effort going into making some of the bedrock posters and serious researcher-types on the DU get disgusted enough to throw in the towel. Annoying as it is, it must be a good sign; there must be some people around here really making the junta nervous.

Am of an age to clearly see the pattern; it's how many in the Cival Rights Movement and the Women's Movement were treated eons ago. Real liberals must be getting too uppity and making some(neo)conservatives edgy. Neocons seem to feel the need to remind us uppity ones that nice liberals behave and keep turning cheeks. They will try to remind us to keep our places and be polite. They think we are gonna go sit quietly in the back of the bus and fret over gun control. They be dreaming ;)

Rock on, KoKo01!
I have witnessed one too many posters here of late working at badmouthing some really productive people who have been in the fight a long time. One too many trying to stay just within the rules while playing the game of 'I am more liberal than thou' and denouncing those who have backbone and gumption. The REALITY is that real liberals DO NOT go around telling other liberals what to say and think.

[IAMREALITY]

147. The REALITY IS

You are threatened by us, because a lot of us post NOV 2nd DU'rs are stronger then the old were, though some old timers are quite strong and beneficial indeed. Posts like above though aren't helpful to ANYBODY though, new or old.

I don't care if my strength, conviction, intelligence, and overall bluntness intimidates you, that's for you to come to grips with.

All I know is I will continue each day to fight as strong as I can for the REAL fight, which is saving our democracy, not encouraging fighting amongst ourselves.

[havocmom]

157. your bluntness does not intimidate me LOL

but your predictable behavior is getting dull

poof

[KoKo]

164. Who are you to judge "the strength" of post 2000 Election DU'ers and

"post 2004 Election DU'ers?" Who made you the judge? Who do you know personally who was here after Bush vs. Gore?

What a strange comment. :shrug:

[havocmom]

170. KoKo01, ever wonder why folks who like to try to control the rest of us

never sign up as mods? I was SO disappointed when the new roster came out. ;)

yeah, S, you be right, I be bad.

[IAMREALITY]

185. I AM REALITY

n/t

[Pastiche423]

166. Yes, ma'am

I do believe you know of which you speak.

And do allow me to say, you spoke it much more dipolmatically than I could have.

P.S. I suspect there be quite a bit of aching arms here as of late.

[havocmom]

171. me? do anything diplomatically? Could I get you to say that to my brother

LOL! He suggests I lack a certain, um, decorum that a (one time, a long time ago) young lady should posses. He's a borderline wing nut.
;)

Seriously, I am trying to gain some diplomatic skill in my extreme advanced years. But, alas, fate often throws things in one's path that one must deal with. As time is getting short at my point in life, I sometimes find it difficult to waste time on diplomacy where an unpleasant reality keeps trying to set my friends adrift in tempests in teapots. ;)

Bless you for your very kind words, Pastiche423. I shall remember you in my evening spiritual exercise (in the closet, where the master suggested it be done.)

[althecat]

113. Since the other thread is locked and I have gone to the trouble of...

.. reading all this.

I can confidently conclude that I haven't a clue what is going on.

Just another day in the world wide weirdness. For Jamboi's sake I hope someone will attempt to make some effort to research the archives and determine whether he is part of this weird conspiracy.

Frankly if I was going to professionally infiltrate DU and disrupt it I would think that not posting for insanely extended periods would be a good starting point. That said disruptors can be stupid too.

Finally. It would be a bit unfair if an active DU member were to be tombstoned on the say of a tombstoned member.

Thank god I am not a mod!

al

[Verve]

140. I agree! I'm very upset with a tombstoned member!

Bozos! It seemed like when a thread didn't go his way he'd attack others. When people came to the defense of the current victim that he was harrassing he'd call them out as co-conspirators. At least once he managed to even help close down a thread. It was very upsetting so I'm glad he's tombstoned. However, I'm upset that people like IAMREALITY and jamboi are still being harrassed by him.

I don't know if I'm breaking any rules by ranting like this so I better stop. But in all honesty I hold no ill will towards Bozos. I'm just upset and hoping he'll see the way soon. We're all in this election fraud togethor and we shouldn't be turning on one another.

[IAMREALITY]

149. Well Said Verve!

And thank you. Especially for the last line.

[m berst]

174. that was never my experience

"It seemed like when a thread didn't go his way he'd attack others."

Not that I ever saw. He got himself into trouble in one dispute on one subject. With the vast majority of DUers on all kinds of subjects - no trouble.

[Verve]

203. You may be right! The posts I'm thinking of were about one subject.

However, most people who think a subject is a load of crap would post their opinion, with their data, on the offending threads and then move on. Eventually those threads will fizzle out on their own if they're bologna and there is enough evidence that they're worthless. Instead of doing this, he continued to disrupt threads numerous times that dealt with that subject.

Ironically, he may have been right about the subject. Yet, with his continued badgering on these sights it was hard for anyone to think straight and come to that conclusion. His continued yelling about "Don't look there" without providing evidence, backfired and made people want to look even more.

He seems like a smart fella. I have no qualms with him other than he needs to give others the benefit of the doubt and let them come to their own conclusions.

Believe me, I welcome him and others to disagree. It makes things interesting and I believe disagreement is one of the best ways to learn from others. It's just how you go about it that can make or break the learning process.

[SueZhope]

142. althecat

"It would be a bit unfair if an active DU member were to be tombstoned on the say of a tombstoned member. "

Yes that does not sit right with me .....perhaps there's something
going on behind the scenes. I imagine the moderates had there reasons and
if it was a misunderstanding it will get worked out.

I hope it all works out for Jamboi .... ( unless he is really BfB ) LOL

[althecat]

167. Given the rest of the thread you might have something with that..

final line LOL

[dweller]

123. Jamboi is updating his blog

in response to some posts here with some answers to some inquiries.

send him some good vibe guys via this thread. Must be cold out there...


Hang in there Jamboi !

dp

[IAMREALITY]

125. Thanks for That

I just signed up and posted there to show support. It has been a long day. I'm officially over the drama and can care less about today's events anymore.

Tomorrow is a new day, and democracy is still shouting out for our help!

[IAMREALITY]

154. Final Word For Now (I think, lord knows I always tend to run back LOL)

For now I gotta hit the hay. It has been a long friggin day and I look forward to putting it behind me.

I wanted to thank DU for the absolute OUTPOURING of support I got via this thread and most remarkably through PM. DU is my family, and for the most part I love ya all and look forward each day to this community.

May god bless us all, and may he give us the continued strength to fight this battle of battles, and continue to gain ground while overcoming obstacles both big, small, and peer-petty.

DU ROCKS, and SO DO YOU ALL.

Goodnight, Sweet Dreams, And I'll catch you all on the flipside.

[senegal1]

160. Hey I can say that Auditors on BBV site was a really disruptive

influence and was one of the reasons that I stopped going to that site and trying to do anything productive. After a while practically all the posts were either disrupted or egged on by Auditors. ON the other hand I have found Jamboi's posts and also IAMREALITY to be reasonable functional and thoughtful posts. I can attest that this election fraud stuff is compelling and I have been up till 2 and 3 and sometimes 4 AM and working full time ect. I can't guess at the concerns of the administrators (expecially Skinner who was kind enough to give me a password and logon when I couldn't get on) but I would support having Jamboi back.

[JetCityLiberal]

165. DUers who gripe about low post counts and hide their profiles

can kiss my ass. Your profile only shows when you joined DU and your post count. Why hide that.

This thread and many today like it have been all over the place.



JetCityLiberal

[m berst]

168. an awful lot of speculation

What was the thread about exactly? Why does DU need an interpreter between the membership and Madsen? Anyone who wants to contact him can just do so and then post anything they want here. What is this urgency about losing a contact? Why does the membership need interpreters and self-styled "contacts" for anyone and every one involved in the elections issue, as far as that goes?

We are continually being led to think there are "sides" and that we need to choose and identify the bad guys. It seems to me that the side that wins is the side of continual suspicion fed by innuendo, insinuation, and rumor that creates an ongoing panic mode drama.

The truth will come out once the dust dies down. It always does.

There is no signal on this thread, it is all noise. Whatever the situation may be regarding one member or another, this feeding frenzy of speculation can only make things worse. It always does.

Ask the person who posted at the other board what they are talking about. Ask the administrators here if you have questions about their actions. Contact Madsen yourself if you have questions to ask him. All of this speculation and secret communications and contacts and lining up into for and against teams on everything and suspicion is poisonous.

Watch the signal to noise ratio folks, and don't feed the fires.

[trueblueliberal]

169. I'm also new here since 11/2

and I can certainly understand the mistrust some of you that have been here a long time must feel. There's no way you (or any of us) can ever know for sure who is trustworthy and who isn't. I just wanted to say though that I had never heard of DU before the election, but afterward I was reading on some other board and someone made a reference to DU, so I came over here (and have been hooked ever since, thought I seldom post). I think that perhaps a LOT of people only found out about DU after the election...perhaps the sudden influx of 'newbies' after 11/2 isn't so strange, maybe somehow the word just really started getting out about this site around that time. I don't know....I just hope everything gets worked out soon. The work all of you have done has been absolutely amazing, don't let anything stop you, please!!

[Woo]

172. It's ALL a bunch of BULLOCKS

First off -- Bozo's for Bush is somewhat of a nutcase -- either he is completely obsessing over this stuff OR for the paranoid in bunch up to something --

During the entire Cybernet debacle he kept posting these silly threads about how we were all suckers -- When NONE of US are suckers -- we clearly could read and decifer what is true and what isn't true, I don't understand why this needed to be pointed out to us so many times... the whole issue was a distraction in itself, because so many people spent a great amount of time arguing with this character.

Well looks like he's still at it over at Kos -- is he freakin out or what?

As for Jamboi -- yeah the feat of 2000 post in such a short period of time is amazing... definitely NOT impossible, I've been here a few days longer and I'm not approaching 200 post and I'm here a few hours a day -- I think I was in the thread where all of this started... in fact I posted right after the first obvious 'plant' tried to call him out -- that poster had 46 post. I posted my question to Jamboi, when I came back -- everyone had been removed. If he broke the rules that's fine he should be removed -- but I can read and I don't need Bozo for Bush or anyone telling me what I should pay attention to and what I shouldn't - geez, that guy got on my nerves. Anyway, I never saw anything that was too out of whack with Jamboi's post -- and I promise if the something seems too fantastic I can look it up for myself or wait until it's verified... I just don't see why we need these people holding our hands.

In my opinion ... I keep an eye on the person that drama is always following... and that's the now departed(but probably still with us in spirit) Bozo -- HI BOZO:hi:

If my count is correct, he's been involved in at least 3 drama's in the past 6 weeks...

And that's all I have to say about that.

[Name removed]

175. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[EuroObserver]

180. Viewed from a distance,

jamboi's contributions appeared to be largely constructive, if a little manic. I don't understand how (s)he could be tombstoned apparantly on the say-so of one apparently paranoid bozo. Who is this Skinner?

Perhaps a cap, a limit could be placed on too-prolific posters who don't slow down when asked to cool it. There is a danger that too-prolific posters get to dominate and drown out others.

[SueZhope]

192. Welcome EuroObserver

Who is this Skinner?

for the answer read this (click on owner) :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/demopedia/index.php/Democratic_Underground

[EuroObserver]

199. Ah, yes I see...

Nice presentation. I like it.

Here's a picture of me:

[merh]

202. Great smile!

Welcome EuroObserver - enjoy yourself, alot of wonderful minds post here!

Damn glad to greet ya! :hi:

[intelle]

195. Welcome EuroObserver!

And, thank you for being so observant! I agree that it might appear that too-prolific posters "dominate and drown out" others (and might even be trying to), but I think, from what I have seen, that serious people here either do not fall for it, or have enough confidence in their own opinions that the "effect" is not long-lasting.

:hi:

[EuroObserver]

200. Indeed

>>...serious people here either do not fall for it, or have enough confidence in their own opinions...<<

Please carry on ;) .

[eowyn_of_rohan]

196. What is a freeper to you, "Something"? And to which freepers do u refer?

You write: "He was right about about freepers or exfreepers posting in those threads....I certainly see why "outing" the perpetrators involved in all this may have consumed him"

Is a freeper anyone who has ever posted on FR, no matter what their role was there, whether it be a cohort, an antagonist, a troll, etc?

Are you talking about me again, "Something"? Because you know I am the one he trashed here and on BBV, and you keep attacking me on other threads, even though I have shown and can prove that bozo (might as well call him beelzebub) took portions of my posts out of context so as to give the impression that my stance was the opposite of what it really was.

It is interesting that in post 65 of this thread, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=162256&mesg_id=164267&page=

I explain my stance, and you come back in post 117, and say my posts were not taken out of context, and that you read the entire threads my posts appeared on. Yet in post 183, I show you the entire exchange from that thread, and you can see I was right--that Bozo did take a portion out of context in order to change the meaning of my words.

But you never responded after I showed that to you. So who is telling the truth here, "something"?

[SomthingsGotaGive]

201. I'm sorry I didn't respond

It seems it takes you a while to respond and they got lost. Sorry again.

As to your question....

Provide all the links you want.

You posted frequently over at free republic until you were banned.

You say because you were a liberal disruptor yet you kept it to yourself until someone looked you up.

Your defensive and hostile attitude actually makes me think you are sincere compared Jamboi's pathetic begging to be trusted.

I said in the post you claim I attacked you in that your activism on DU spoke for itself, but, that the Bozo situation and your subsequent victimization could have been avoided.

How am I not telling the truth?

[m berst]

177. you don't know that

"First off -- Bozo's for Bush is somewhat of a nutcase -- either he is completely obsessing over this stuff OR for the paranoid in bunch up to something."

Total speculation and insinuation.

[Woo]

183. Yes, you're correct...

It's called an opinion. Unfortunately, Bozo could not comprehend that stating his opinion once would suffice.

So yes I am of the opinion that something is wrong with a person that continues to beat you over the head with the same old hack. EVEN after several people tell you that they've had enough and they get it.

THEN... after being removed from this site.

He moves to another site and continues to post these dissertations, how long did it take and how driven do you have to be to collect all the junk he posted over at Kos. He remains after several weeks adisruptive force on this board(IMO), that's unbelieveable and it's a little bit nutty in my book.

You simply have to realize that with this story, all the so called 'disinformation' will be debunked within hours -- example Cybernet; within 48 hours I had realized I didn't really care to hear anymore about it, although I might read the threads, a few decided they wanted to dig a little deeper, what the heck is wrong with that?

But no, Bozo wouldn't leave it alone until everyone swore on a stack of bibles that they would remove the word Cybernet from their vocabulary, absolutely extraordinary what people waste their time with and in Bozo's case, time wasting was/is sweet irony.

Maybe Jamboi and others had malicious intentions(I really don't know anything about why he got kicked), so be it, remove them, my point is this 'disinformation' argument really is for the non-thinkers amongst us, none of what you would classify as 'disinformation' has been particularly sophistocated in my book. So this has little effect in getting at the known truths and researching what still remains a mystery...and I don't need someone constantly telling me I'm wrong for even considering some of the more extraordinary accusations.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

186. Agreed Woo

But.

When someone like Kieth Olbermann hears about the good work being done on election fraud here on DU and stumbles upon of of the MANY "disinformation" threads full of newbie circle jerkers (some with 2500 posts in 24 days)jerking off to bogus info spun around convoluted stories they question the quality capable of this site.


And that is the plan.


Not convincing savvy folks like you to buy the horse shit.

It doesn't even have to be Kieth Olbermann, any intelligent person linked here from a mainstream site sinking into one of these BS dead ends might not only become disheartened but also skeptical of DU.

Thats why I fight.

It might explain why Bozo fought.

[geo]

189. PLEASE STOP THIS THREAD. This appears to be a huge misundertanding....

Hi all,

As for being in touch with Mr. Madsen, I will ask Jamboi when I speak with him next. Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that we do not need a surrogate for direct communication with Mr. Madsen, but it does make things efficient. Jamboi may need to work through some of us to get the word back to the DU forums unless the moderators are willing to have him back. In the alternative, one of us can easily reach Mr. Madsen directly at any time. I was the one who originally posted his e-mail address after the first election story broke, and can tell you that I found it with a minor amount of googling. I've noticed he is fairly quick to respond. We in the DU community are in no jeopardy of losing contact with Mr. Madsen.

I am saddened by this event as many of you are. I have had the wonderful opportunity to speak with both Bozos and Jamboi in the recent past, and believe both men to be of fine character. Outside the computer screen it becomes obvious that both are very kind, thoughtful and passionate gentlemen with the most honorable of intentions. Lack of sleep can do odd things, and like alcohol, should never be mixed with surfing. :P 'Nuf said....

At the same time, I must acknowledge how thoughtful, rational and considerate of human flaws (in general) the decisions of our moderators and administrators have been. I am hoping that all parties can work things out so we can once again benefit from both their individual and collective endeavors.

I would be happy to say more but it'll be through PM, e-mail or AIM. I don't feel we should fill the thread on this issue anymore than we have. I suggest strongly we kill this thread, as it has become little more than an arena for in-fighting and speculation on the character of others in our DU community. I do not want to see what has become a huge misunderstanding become anything larger than what it already is, and it is obvious at this point that Mr. Madsen, the subject of this thread, is not a source at all easily lost by DU; the expressed purpose of this thread has been served.

That said, I love you all :hug: and goodnight/morning. :) :)

Warmly,

George

[geo]

190. [e-mail] for reference....

Hi all,

For reference, Mr. Madsen's published e-mail address is: [e-mail]

The address is public, as it was posted in conjunction with at least one of several articles. A google search can provide verification of such.

I hope this further helps settle this matter. :)

Warmly,

George

[IAMREALITY]

194. Hi Geo. Thanks. In Case There Is Any Confusion,

The reason I started the thread was to see who another pointman could be as a link to Madsen. Sure, we have his email address, but that could get chaotic really quick with anyone and everyone emailing him and reporting back scattered details to DU. We need conciseness and focus here when it comes to such matters. Having someone like Jamboi who was well known as the prime Madsen contact was important because it ensured logistically that the flow of information would be unbroken and clear, mostly free of noise. I remember when Jamboi first posted that he was a Madsen contact that there were a few others as well that assisted in getting Madsen here for the Q & A. This thread was to figure out who they were again so we could shift the responsibilities over to them if they accepted the task.

I also wouldn't worry about war of words on this thread, it is pretty tame compared to the way other threads have been! LOL Also the majority of this thread is ok and not warring at all, though you will always have a couple Rotten eggs in every basket(or thread)

Thanks as always George.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

191. Hi Geo.

Please explain how this is all a big misunderstanding.

How is 135+ posts a day a misunderstanding.

How is 36-42 hour stretches of straight posting a misunderstanding.

I have posted exactly what I think the motive is.

How nice people appear to you off camera is irrelevant in an anonymous web forum.

Please see my post just above in response to Woo and please if you could explain this misunderstanding.

Unfortunately posts like yours, while well intentioned, are just as flammable in threads like this when you offer no proof in public and ask to go PM and email.

You have been helpful in the past I hope you can help me here.

[Skinner]

204. I'm locking this.

What a complete waste of time.

A couple banned people post conspiracy crap on other message boards, and all hell breaks loose here. I really think this has been discussed enough.

This is just a clever way to disrupt DU by some people who have been kicked off. Let's not play into their hands.