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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 10:58 AM
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Just emailed the FBI and got a call back.
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 11:45 AM by scubed
I used the tip line & got a call back within 10 minutes.

The agent said this office was mainly for terrorist tips, but the conversation was interesting. He said since the issue concerned Ohio, someone should make a complaint to the Ohio office. If that is rejected (my memory is that someone did) then the person should file a complaint with the documentation of the rejection to the national office, So, has this been done? result?

Then, I asked him if he was familiar with the issues and all the crap in Ohio, and offered to send my email to him to let him see what has gone on. He gave me his personal email!

Anyone else want it? It's pretty up to date.

CLARIFICATION: Sorry, I wasn't very precise. The issue was election fraud. The email was my email to him, not his email addy. That would be a viaolation of trrust. Who knows, maybe he will forward the email to his friends.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:00 AM
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1. And now there are black sedans parked outside your house 24/7
Traveling could be fun for you now.
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intelle Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:43 PM
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41. ROFLMAO!! n/t
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:02 AM
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2. you left out what your call was about.
you just referred to it as "the issue". could you be more specific about the nature of your call to them?
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:41 AM
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18. election fraud
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:02 AM
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3. Rep. Conyers has written and is in contact with the FBI
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HEAVYHEART Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:03 AM
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4. "Anyone else want it? It's pretty up to date."
Sure. What's his email addy?
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:42 AM
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19. not his email: my email to him!
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HEAVYHEART Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:44 AM
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20. Oh ok.
I'd like to see the email. Thanks!
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:05 AM
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5. Good for you!
This is what we need to do to get somewhere. Apparently there is a special Ohio DU forum (I saw it in one of todays posts). You can pass the info to them.
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:14 AM
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9. every state has a forum, maybe meet some new friends! :) (nt)
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 04:52 PM
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38. Yep - I love the NC forum! n/t
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:08 AM
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6. Just after 9-11, I emailed the FBi with idea to snag potential terrorists.
Did not hear back. I thought it was pretty clever, too.
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Solitaire Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:32 AM
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15. actually,
I emailed them too with an idea, which I thought was a pretty good one, and never heard one peep.

I haven't seen any black sedans outside my door though. *whew*

:)
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:35 AM
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17. Tell me yours. I'll tell you mine.
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Solitaire Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:53 PM
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27. well, I can't..
because if they did use it (which I hope they did), if I told anyone then it would just alert the terrorists to it and it wouldn't be as effective.

Hey, I die knowing I -might- have helped, or at least I tried.

:)
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:59 PM
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28. That's the right answer. Just testing you.... my real name is Agent Mike.
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Solitaire Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:17 PM
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40. LOL...
well, if you are an agent, good for you.

If not, then good for you too.

Truly, my idea was a good one and hope they used it! That is, of course, if they ever got it. I just emailed it to the email on the site.

:)
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 07:46 PM
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45. deleted
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 07:47 PM by henslee
deleted.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 07:46 PM
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46. Im not an agent. But I do love the spectre of AGENT MIKE, as created by
Bev Harris.
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Solitaire Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:58 AM
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50. gotcha....:) n/t
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impeachthescoundrel Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:08 AM
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7. Yes please
Post the address
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:08 AM
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8. So what's the address?
I'm waiting and not afraid of Black or Blue Suburbans!
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:24 AM
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10. Wouldn't giving out the addy be betraying his trust?
And lead to decreased likelihood of federal agents giving out addys in the future? :shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:25 AM
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11. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:26 AM
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12. NOT!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:30 AM
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13. Good try.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:31 AM
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14. Are you asking if people want to see the e-mail you sent to him or his
e-mail address? I assume you mean the e-mail you sent.

You may want to clarify, although everyone seems to be having fun with the idea of getting his e-mail address. You wouldn't really do that, right?
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:33 AM
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16. if you are on DU
they rpobably already had your phone number handy. Just kidding.Iwould say that is pretty brave though. What was your tip?
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:49 AM
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21. Don't we all have to get more brave and start conversations all
the time, to friends, to family, to the person in line at the grocery store, or at the PO, as I did the other day. What's to be lost? A little pride. What's to be gained? Our democracy!

Here's my email to the FBI:

"The vote in Ohio was clearly compromised by election fraud: according to Ohio law, the actions of Secretary of State Blackwell are prima facie evidence of election fraud. In addition, there is sworn testimony that both Diebold and Triad technicians have tampered with the voting machines in advance of the Ohio presedential recount. WHY ARE YOU NOT INVESTIGATING THESE CRIMES? Didn't you also swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America? If you need any documentation, just do your job, and start working with Representative Conyers of Michigan. I'm sure he will be very happy to help you: his staff has more tips coming in every day than they can deal with. As to whether you have jurisdiction, there have been federal crimes committed in violation of the Voting Rights Act and the Help America Vote Act. Again, Mr. Conyers can give you mountains of documentation. I would like a response as to why you are not, or if you will begin investigating this sordid stain on our democracy. I fear far more the enemy within, than the enemy without."
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HEAVYHEART Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:56 AM
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24. Good!
Nice email! Good job scubed!
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:58 AM
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25. good for you
Yeah everyone should be brave. I have been bugging all my co-workers and family members with the latest updates and junk. Now I try to keep it to a minimum because they are not as mad as me.the good thing is is that though they are not interested in talking about it all the time, alot of them do think the outcome was not correct.Most don't think anything will be done about it just like Florida, I can only hope they are wrong. I think so many of us were ready to pounce if we saw anything fishy this time. I have been using the media blaster and also writing all of the senate and congressman, basically whoever I feel like giving an earfull to. Sometimes even Kerry.

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:04 PM
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30. I think you should add more detail.
-what is the evidence of prima facie upon which you base your claim?
-where is the link to the affidavids?

I don't think it's helpful at all to say "just do your job." That's insulting, if you don't give them something to go on. Can you imagine how many e-mails, phone calls, and tips they receive daily? It would be all too easy to dismiss the letter, because it seems to be based on emotion, rather than facts.

I'm not pointing a finger at you, so please don't be offended. But we cannot assume that everybody has amassed the same amount of knowledge on this topic. It's barely made the MSM. I think we make friends with influential people by arming them with as many pertinent facts as possible. When they verify, it makes the case all the more compelling.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 04:43 PM
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37. I agree
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 04:44 PM by bush_is_wacko
Give him the links and a little info from the links. If you have conyers number, not that he doesn't, but give that to him too. and for God's sake give someone you trust a copy of everything you send him. *hole is the CIC of the FBI too you know. You are right to fear the enemy inside more thant the one outside! On second though, give the info to more than one person you trust. It seems * biographers are dropping like flies!
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intelle Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:48 PM
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43. Very nice email, scubed!
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:52 AM
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22. DONT GIVE OUT THAT EMAIL ADDRESS ONLINE
Man...dont be stupid
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:11 PM
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26. why not?
:shrug:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:53 AM
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23. THINK EVERYONE IN US SHOULD CALL FBI!
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Eye_on_prize Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:47 PM
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42. I love this idea. they *should* be doing their job ..and...
if we all do it they may get the message and can't single out one lone emailer as a nut.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:03 PM
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29. FBI-addy- Violation of trust? - what r u kidding?...read on...
The email was my email to him, not his email addy. That would be a violation of trust?!?!?

Mike Brooks, a spokesman for the FBI office in Cincinnati, said Conyers' request had not been received and there are no agency investigations of Ohio's election. Beal also had not received the letter but said he had spoken to Eaton and no investigation was planned.

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:10 PM
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31. Then tell him he must be out of touch
Conyers letter was sent to Kevin R. Brock, Special Agent in Charge, Cinncinnati Ohio.
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/brockbealohelecltr121504.pdf
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:14 PM
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32. The "New and Improved FBI: spreading disinformation thru the land."
Hmm...whom to believe? The FBI office in Cincinnati, the FBI HQ, or Conyers' office?
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:34 PM
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33. Reply from Ohio FBI on another thread:
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 02:35 PM by Verve
"Mike Brooks, a spokesman for the FBI office in Cincinnati, said Conyers' request had not been received and there are no agency investigations of Ohio's election. Beal also had not received the letter but said he had spoken to Eaton and no investigation was planned."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=164274&mesg_id=172521&page=
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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:52 PM
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35. WTF? We've all seen the letter, no?
Is this the same FBI that said there was a terror alert for Warren Co., and then claims there wasn't??
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Farah Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:36 PM
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34. I would LOVE a copy =D
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 04:33 PM
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36. I posted the email it sent to Agent Mike (to his personal email)
at this link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=172171&mesg_id=172171

There are a couple of typos and one major error that I'd ask you to correct if you want to sent it to anyone else: in the paragraph on the exit poll shifts, I had "from Bush to Kerry", not "Kerry to Bush". Some kind reader caught my mistake, but not soon enough to edit it.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:02 PM
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39. Hey, what the hell
they work for US, right?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 07:36 PM
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44. So, did anyone file in Ohio, or a national complaint on this?
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 07:52 PM
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47. Hey, you guys, the FBI works under cover, remember ???
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phantomvotes Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 10:41 PM
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48. The FBI is to busy


Dec 13, 2004
FBI raids city gaming store in pirating scheme
Pandora's Cube sold systems loaded with preinstalled games

FULL STORY HERE:
http://www.inform.umd.edu/News/Diamondback/archives/2004/12/13/news3.html

Authorities arrested two store employees for conspiracy to commit copyright infringement

This is the second federally orchestrated raid in the city dealing with piracy in recent months. FBI agents seized a computer and Playstation 2 from student Jeffrey Lerman's room in April. He was a boarder in the Kappa Alpha fraternity house on Fraternity Row.
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JunkYardDogg Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:27 PM
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49. I feel SO MUCH Safer Now
Now all I would like is to find out how "PC Anywhere" got installed in my desktop PC- since I never installed it and it did not come with the PC
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