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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:45 PM
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2004 election effect: Conason's candidate for the DNC is Paul Begala!!!
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 12:58 PM by RaulVB
Joe Conason really is a major, major political flake.

How, in the name of the Lord, can you think that PAUL BEGALA would be nothing else that a name on the wall if he were to be the next DNC chair???

Anybody interested on creating a new Party?

C'mon, Bush "won", Begala is "very talented, "Let's plan for the next election," "let's do what the Republicans do..."

Give me a damn break!

You know why this effort is lacking resolve and strength as of today?

Because "intellectualoid types" like Conason are on the way, creating obstacles with their weak and soft views of reality.

Joe, my friend, you are talking now freely but that is not going to be the case if you don't wake up and fight the fascist regime that is hijacking America'a political future.

This is nuts!

Oh, next in AAR, KOS himself to tell you how "Bush won."

Damn people...

With guys like those on your side, who needs...
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:48 PM
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1. The whore Paul for DNC chair?
I have a better idea...Jon Stewart.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:48 PM
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2. Wow. Too much kool-aid drinking going on with the pundits.
:freak:
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:21 PM
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17. Wait! Think about it....
no... just puke.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:52 PM
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3. begala, dont like him that much anymore
i got a distaste for him from crossfire. just plays too much in the republican ballpark sometimes.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:53 PM
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4. Sometimes?
Sorry, this is not meant to be personal against you, I just want to say that Begal and Carville have become 2 "TV clowns" that are nothing else than Republican entertainment.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:58 PM
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5. Damn - too bad about Conason. Thought he was smarter. nt
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:59 PM
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6. He looks smart, but...
Then you hear him talking...
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:02 PM
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7. What's Conasen's e-mail?
I want to write and tell him that every single one of my Bible-belt, conservative Democratic relatives support Dean for the DNC chair. What the heck is he so afraid of--victory?
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:10 PM
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8. This is one address:
jconason@observer.com

Tell me if you do reach him and watch if he goes like, "oh well, I just mentioned his name because some of my DNC contacts in a party last weekend..."

Thanks!
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:33 PM
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9. Begala?
He served in Clinton's staff, but DNC chairman? I don't get it. I don't think he is the type to energize the base. He must've smoked something or been on the kool-aid
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:34 PM
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10. Too many social gatherings with the DNC "elite"
That's Conason's problem.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:40 PM
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11. I cringe when I hear "DNC Elite"
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:50 PM
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12. Too much of a wimp....
Americans don't listen to wimps.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 04:18 PM
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20. My letter to Conason
Dear Mr. Conason,

I believe you are mistaken in your belief that Howard Dean lacks broad appeal. Even my Bible-Belt, conservative Democrat relatives think Dean is the best man for the job--and regret that they didn't support him over Kerry in the primary.

I have heard the DNC chairmanship discussed at numerous Democratic Club meetings and other activist events. The verdict is unanamous--every single person I've talked with wants Dean.

Please listen to the members of the party, or you're likely to face a widespread bolt of the party faithful to a third party. We are fed up with corporate control of our lives and believe that Dean offers the most honest, outspoken leadership that our party so sorely needs.

Sincerely,

Miriam Raftery
Publisher
Liberty Belle Log
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:17 PM
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24. Great!
Now we'll se if he replies and goes like, "well, actually I'm not speaking on behalf of the DNC. I just heard Begala's name mentioned in a DNC party last weekend..."

Well, Joe, don't plant names if you are just an "independent journalist," ok?
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:40 AM
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33. Conason replied. He only said, "Thanks."
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SeattleRob Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:53 PM
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13. Begala
If ultimate insider and corporate suck up Begala is appointed to the chair of the DNC, I will change my party affiliation to "Independent."
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:37 PM
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14. I heard that in the car just a little while ago. He wants the party to do
What Kerry was trying to do, cater to the middle of the road Dems. Conason also thought that someone like Dean wouldn't be good because of the New England Liberal stigma. Well guess what? I'm a NY Liberal and proud of it and I cannot support Republican Light.


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Hamoth Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:05 PM
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15. My eMail: Obey the Charter!!!
The charter of the democratic party repeatedly states:

In the Preamble:
Recognizing that the vitality of the Nation's political institutions has been the foun dation of its enduring strength, we ac knowledge that a

political party which wishes to lead must listen to those it would lead, a party which asks for the people's trust must prove that it trusts the people and a party which hopes to call forth the best the Nation can achieve must embody the best of the Nation's heritage and traditions.

What we seek for our Nation, we hope for all people: individual freedom in the framework of a just society, political freedom in the framework of meaningful participation by all citizens. Bound by the United States Constitution, aware that a party must be responsive to be worthy of responsibility, we pledge ourselves to open, honest endeavor and to the conduct of public affairs in a manner worthy of a society of free people.

------------------------

In Article One:

The Democratic Party of the United States of Americ a shall:

(Section 4) Establish stand ards and rules o f procedure to affo rd all members of the Demo cratic Party ull, timely and equal opportunities to participate in decisions concerning the selection of candidates, the formulation of policy, and the conduct of other Party affairs, without prejudice on the basis of sex, race, age (if of voting age), color, creed, national origin, religion, economic status, sexual orientation, ethnic identity or physical disability, and further, to promote fair campaign pra ctices and the fair adjudication of dispu tes. Accordingly, the scheduling of Democratic Party affairs at all levels shall consider the presence of any religious minorities of significant numbers of concentration whose level of participation would be affected;

In Article 8:

ARTICLE EIGHT
Full Participation

Section 1. The Democratic Party of the United States shall be open to all who desire to support the Party and who wish to be known as Democrats.

Section 2. Discrimination in the conduct of Democratic Party affairs on the basis of sex, race, age (if of voting age), color, creed, national origin, religion, economic status, sexual orientation, ethnic identity or physical disability is prohibited, to the end that the Democratic Party at all levels be an open party.

In Article 9:

Section 12. All meetings of the Democratic National Committee, the Executive Committee, and all other official Party committees, commissions and bodies shall be open to the public, and votes shall not be taken by secret ballot.

These are but a few of the principles I see being violated in the promotion of insider players in what has clearly become an insider game for the DLC and various voting interests of the DNC. Yet the charter clearly shows that the will of we Democrats who have propped up this party with our votes, and our financial and public support should me respected. I challenge you to ask any sampling of democrats among the voting public who they would support for DNC and which direction the party will need to go. They will almost universally tell you that Dean is the only practical choice for the DNC chair. His movement and the continued support of those he mobilized funded our record fundraising for the presidential campaign. From the support of activist Democrats like myself, this party has full coffers with which to fight an ongoing battle of opposition to an increasingly dogmatic majority. It is fro supporters like us that you continue to draw strength and ideological resources. Ignore us at the party's peril. Our patience has worn quite thin. I am loyal to the Democratic party, and daily partake in the act of cat-herding to maintain support from others like me who are feeling more every day that this party has used them as a giant ATM. What can we earn for our volunteer hours? What can we earn for our tireless fighting and selfless donations? Yet our voice is seldom echoed any longer in the halls of rhetoric where party position and direction are drafted. As Jessie Jackson Jr. said "The house is now built on a shifting foundation of Sand. We need to shore it up." So true of our democracy, and yet truer still of our party.

I demand my rights as a Democrat to address you at the winter meeting prior to your open and public vote on the chair of the DNC. Myself and the millions like me will be watching to see if you do indeed reflect the will of the average Democrats in defining the future and direction of this party and thereby the nation itself. I demand that you go to the neighborhoods that support you the most, locate the pillars of the party, those stalwart individuals who have so long forgone their fight and let the boat be still that you may row it. Find them, and ask them who THEY want for a chair person. Show them the lit of names, ask them about he directions we can go in, and see what they will tell you. I beg you, please listen to we little people who have put you where you are. We little people make the world go round, and democracy (and those in it's employ) exist to serve us who have so little individual power. You are the manifestation of our collective wills. Will you make divergent, split, personalities of our collective voice? I hope instead that you will bring us together. Heal us. Give us the leadership we have long demanded and put us on the path for a sweeping victory in 06 throughout the national and state offices.

I beg you in the name of millions like me, the hard core, in the trenches, front-line democrats. We battle on the field of ideals every day. We know what we need for support.


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Hamoth Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:18 PM
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16. blatant
kick

I think everyone should know that it's our charter right to have Dean for the chair if we demand it.
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Hamoth Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 10:23 PM
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31. He got my message
I couldn't beleive it. I have never gotten a response from anyone high up before, so it's a big deal to me.

the response:
"Thanks for your letter, <[Hamoth>]."
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:30 PM
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18. That's it!
It's time for the Democratic Underground party.

I'm not joking neither.

I bet we can get Randi Rhodes on board.

ANYONE that works for CNN is not up for any leadership role in my party. Our friends are sleeping in the devil's beds.

They don't get it. They don't get it. Repeat after me-we have no leaders that get it.

At least no White leaders.

And don't even whine to me about Dean-where the hell has he been on the fraud thing? Disillusioned and disgusted-yes you got it.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 04:07 PM
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19. Conason is extremely bright and gifted. He's just wrong on this.
Nobody's right all the time, and Conason's wrong about this thing. I'm not going to trash him for that--but I will disagree with his opinion.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 04:27 PM
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21. I'm not that bright...
And I have a problem with "very bright people" saying nonsensical things quite often.

Conason is going "down hill" lately.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:41 PM
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26. Tell ya what....
YOU go out and put together an exhaustive investigative piece (book) like The Hunting of the President, and then come back and trash Conason. Sorry, I'm not going to badmouth the guy just because I disagree with him on this.

Many, many respectable leftists have very different ideas about who should head up the DNC. It's incredibly stupid (and arrogant) to proclaim anyone who doesn't agree with you as stupid or "going downhill."
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:45 PM
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27. I'll do it in 2 days...
If I have HIS RESEARCH TEAMS AND DATA GATHERING RESOURCES.

It's kind of stupid to think that Conason = Einstein.

He is a good writer. I would agree.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:51 PM
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28. RIIIIIIIIIIIGHT
I think you overestimate the research gathering resources he has. You also miss my point--all the research teams in the world won't put the gray matter between your ears that it takes to analyze and present the information the way Conason does.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:52 PM
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29. Ok, fair enough
You love Conason. I don't.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:25 PM
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25. Thanks. I agree on that one.
Occasionally he is wrong. Still head and shoulders above the most.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 04:41 PM
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22. awww crap, I just laughed so hard I spilled my coffee
that is tooo funny. Begala?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:12 PM
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23. GOODBYE DNC
FOREVER!!!!!!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:53 PM
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30. The Democrats are starting to seem like a bad Lucy skit.
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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:58 PM
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32. Yeah! Lets call it the BLUE Party ! Hows that sound?
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