UPDATE: Katrina in Greene County, Ohio - (12/17 3PM ET) - Please Read!

[dzika]

Update from Katrina in Greene County, Ohio

Katrina called me just now with an update and a request.

First, the request:
Katrina's Greene County Recount Team needs some supplies. Their credit cards are maxed. They need 2 things:

1. Pre-paid gas cards (preferably for Speedway or BP).
2. 6 Small Recording devices (cell phone size or smaller).

I hope that the need for these items is self-explanatory.

Katrina'a team will be expanding outside of Greene County so they will need this support.

I'll post additional details about how to contribute these items later tonight.

In the meantime, please send me a PM or email if you wish to help with these items.


Second, the update:
3 precincts have been counted in Greene County (442, 224, and 31). The machine counts did not match the hand counts in 2 of these precincts. Yet, BOE Officials are refusing to conduct the mandatory hand recounts as prescribed by Ohio law.

Katrina confirms that the 3 precincts chosen were not at random and that Triad visited each of these precincts prior to the recount.

She also says that there will be a video showing that hand recounts should be done based on Ohio law. The court will be involved in this and the video will most likely be provided as evidence.


Lastly, for reasons that she didn't have time to explain fully, Katrina says that she understands and trusts the statements David Cobb made about John Kerry in his interview with The Raw Story.

She is a Dem and first suspected that the GP might be using the Ohio recounts for PR. Events on the ground, have convinced her otherwise.

The article is posted here:
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=502


Oh yeah, I almost left out the scariest part:
Katrina had her tires slashed at the Greene County BOE between 1:30 and 1:45 PM CT on Wednesday. Her car was parked in the BOE lot.


There is still more news that can't be shared yet... An update on these and other issues will be posted late tonight.

[Jo March]

1. Kick

Dammit. These people are fighting for Democracy and this is how they are treated???

Dammit! Why am I broke at this point when money is so desperately needed?

Dammit.

[berniew1]

78. Does anyone know anything about what the fraud found in Greene was?

We've heard they found fraud; but has anyone said what it was? Or the extent of it??
Why aren't we hearing details about fraud findings that they say they have found in Greene, Trumbull, Lucas, Perry, Hocking, Cuyahoga, etc.?/

[Darknyte7]

2. How can we help?

Who's the conduit through which we can get her what she/they need?

[dzika]

6. For now, I am the conduit.

Please PM or email me if you want to help.

[zann725]

107. I'll help. Let me know how.

n/t

[Farmgirl]

108. I second that motion. Let me know to. n/t

[Farmgirl]

109. Ay vey -- can't even spell correctly anymore. Let me know TOO! n/t

[LynzM]

3. Thanks for the update

I look forward to hearing more tonight, and will keep her in my thoughts for safety!

[IAMREALITY]

4. Thanks DZ!

:yourock:

[EMunster]

5. This is bad...fighting on two fronts...

[EMunster]

22. on the other hand, after reading Raw Story Link...

It sounds like what Cobb's saying is that Kerry's "undermining," "delegitimizing" through negligence, but not actively seeking to do that. Might it be that the people on the ground there are taking personally what is actually a strategy by Kerry TO PREVENT the recount from being delegitimized and undermined?

Kerry's absence has kept out the swiftboarders, et al...who'd love him to step up turn everything in a John Kerry-character smoke screen to delegitimize every move.

Like it or not, the movement appears motivated by real people. There's an integrity to those seeking to investigate the vote that's helping highlight every evil move by Blackwell, Moyer, Triad...etc. All they've been able to come up with is a highly telling "sore losers."

I know I'm far from Ohio typing on my laptop, while we have those in the field risking their lives. Forgive me if I'm sounding offensive. You need all the help you can get and you're underdogs...and still you're getting it done. I'm just putting forth that if Kerry's not contributing to the recount doesn't mean he doesn't have the same overall goals of Cobb. There are many rounds ahead. He may be doing it the smartest way he can.

[SueZhope]

26. Time will tell , but all else is a guess n/t

[bush_is_wacko]

40. I agree

If there is EVIDENCE that they are holding that proves election fraud. Ohio won't matter. The entire election is then the REAL issue! If the entire election is the issue 51 million dollars will hopefully do more than scratch the surface on the court cases and criminal charges that must be dealt with. I sure hope I'm right about this assessment.

Anyone have a clue how much the watergate scandal cost this country? How about the shamefull Clinton/Monica thing?

On Edit: I am really asking this question. I have no idea where that information might be found.

[TexasChick]

46. Don't quote me on this, but I think the Clinton/Monica thing cost

$75 million. Or, it could be that they wasted $75 million to find something on Clinton and then the some more costs arose after they found the Lewinsky affair. But, I do know that at least $75 million was spent of our tax paying dollars.

[bush_is_wacko]

53. Well then it stands to reason...

that Kerry needs to hold on to all this money. If he intends to make the big bold statement that the American taxpayer should not have to pay for the lawsuits that resulted out of the behavior of a corrupt administration, right? this would be a really effective counter to the rethug complaint that taxpayer dollars shouldn't be wasted on election fraud, don't you think? From what I know of Kerry, that would very likely be something he would do. He wants to look like a stand up, take charge leader. What better way?

[TexasChick]

73. Hmm, don't really know the answer to that BIW. I'm still torn between

Kerry's invovlement in all of this. I hope he still is.

[Firespirit]

7. Tease, tease!

But thanks for the teaser about the Cobb comments. I am trying my darndest to stay upbeat and let me tell you that THAT sure put a damper on it this afternoon.... :( I'd tried to write it off as Cobb being mad about the obstruction of his recount and lashing out at somebody.. Thanks for hinting that it's something else.

I am a recent graduate and am a little short on cash right now... but if you and your friend believe in prayer, I will pray for her safety.

The GOPigs are desperate to hide their crime now and so are committing more crimes to attempt to cover it up.

[Helga Scow Stern]

11. Keep praying for her safety, and for the highest intentions in all parties

Thank you Firespirit, and welcome to DU!

:yourock:

[Helga Scow Stern]

8. Thanks. If you get a chance, please ask more about the statement

"John Kerry is trying to minimize and undermine and delegitmize the recount," Cobb asserted.

[SueZhope]

9. Thanks for sharing

when she says "she understands and trusts the statements David Cobb "

So does that mean that she is saying what many of us fear that Kerry is not really in this except for "what we see is what we get"?

I hope not.....but why would she say this she is much closer then many of us.

[dzika]

17. Her statements about Cobb

were based on things she has observed in the last week.

She didn't have the time to provide more details during this call.

[grumpy old fart]

10. Why are we scrounging for money???

Last time I looked, Dem party had millions left, no? What gives here? Money, resources, shouldn't even be an issue. What's all the Kerry talk about promising to count all the votes. This makes no sense.

[Helga Scow Stern]

12. It really doesn't add up does it? n/t

[dzika]

13. Katrina is Observing for the GP

She has been purchasing equipment and supplies with her own money.

Her team has 38 observers. 6 of them need audio recording equipment. This could just be a small inexpensive voice recorder. A lot of audio evidence is being lost.

Also, I forgot to mention that a Police report was filed on Wednesday for the slashed tires.

[Helga Scow Stern]

15. Have others ben targeted, or is she the only one? n/t

[dzika]

21. I have no information about others being targeted.

I will put the question on my list.

[caligirl]

100. Its time to find a body builder/marine/guard to stay with her.

[grumpy old fart]

16. the money issue still makes no sense...

Are Kerry and Dems not involved at all. If not, why not?????

[hippiechick]

20. Because Kerry's got a super duper secret plan

... that apparently 80% of the Dems in America know about but are keeping quiet on, except for when they speak in a code that certain DU'ers are able to decipher.

:tinfoilhat:

Kerry will be making that miraculous appearance from an Ohio phonebooth ready to save the day some time in the very near future.

:eyes:


:hippie: <-- not drinking the Kool-Aid

[grumpy old fart]

24. say what? n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

119. heh!

:evilgrin: I don't even like kool-aid

[SueZhope]

29. and that is the question ..involved or not involved?n/t

[Firespirit]

14. Holy ****, I missed this!

The court will be involved in this and the video will most likely be provided as evidence.

Can somebody bring me up to snuff? Which court case is this, or is there a new one now?? Events are moving too fast for me....

And KUDOS for getting the video!

[dzika]

18. I don't know the details yet.

She has been working closely with Arnebeck but didn't indicate details about which court and which lawyers were interested in this video.

It was a very short call.

[EFerrari]

32. How can the recount hope to succeed w/out more of a presence?

Look what happened in FL 2000, and there were more Gore people there.

Without the press, who can make Blackwell comply? Without a biggest presence in OH, no press.

This is just weird, or am I missing something?

[understandinglife]

19. Kick and just sent you a pm (n/t)

[Alizaryn]

23. What Kerry and the DNC's motives are will

remain to be seen however, if their motives are just to placate us with "paper tigers" they will suffer a backlash they may not have been planning for.
Upon reflection our having to scrape enough money together for the recount has been a positive thing. We were able to band together and raise a good amount of money together in 24 hours!

That speaks volumes.
That is powerful.

Somewhere in my hopes, I'm hoping that Kerry is the kind of man many of us think him to be and he and the party will step up when the time is right. If they play this middle line until the end, they will redirect many of us to find our voices in a 3rd party.

[grumpy old fart]

25. Kerry can stay in the background if he wants...

But the money should be flowing freely. Just doesn't make sense.

[MelissaB]

27. I agree!

I sent him an email this afternoon asking him to report for duty.

[EFerrari]

30. kick

[marylanddem]

38. what e-mail did you use?

I think Kerry donors - and everyone - e-mailing Kerry is a great idea - a campaign to tell him to use that $ to help the Greens...for all our sake

[bunny planet]

37. Yes. sigh.

[CoffeeCat]

28. I am willing to donate...can't email or PM though...

I just tried to email and PM you. A message appeared that said I can't use these features because I don't have enough posts.

???

I am willing to donate 2 mini recorders.

Please let me know how I can get these to you.

[dzika]

33. TwoSparkles, I emailed you with my contact information.

Thanks.

[CoffeeCat]

35. Great, I'll get in touch with you. (eom)

[Hannahcares]

71. want to contribute to Katrina's efforts in Ohio

TO dzika - I'm a newbie and don't believe I have enough posts (or knowledge!) to send you a pm. If you can contact me with how to forward a contibution I will be happy to do so. Thanks for keeping us all up to date on this important work! Hannah

[dzika]

76. Hannahcares, I can't PM you...

You can send your contact information to [e-mail] and I will be happy to call you.

[proudtobeadem]

135. Hannah

If you kick some threads you can bring up your post number sooner.

[mdb]

31. Is she saying this is 3% (442, 224, and 31)?

697 is not even 1% of Greene county. I have 79,272 total for this county.

[dzika]

36. Good question.

Thanks for checking the facts.

I'm not sure if there are additional precincts to be recounted in Greene County.

I'll be happy to try to find out, though.

[burn the bush]

167. i think those are precinct numbers not count totals

[marylanddem]

34. I donated to Kerry - where e-mail him?

As I'm sure many here did. I think we are entitled to our money's worth - I want to e-mail him & remind him that, as a donor, I expect him to use those funds to help the Greens fight this battle. What e-mail should I use for Kerry?

[insane_cratic_gal]

43. I hate to say it but I agree

That money deserves to be put to use to a OH vote count. He set aside how many million for lawyers ect?

He should be donating, what ever it is he set aside.. all of it to assist in getting this vote counted.

Maybe his campaign see it as "his" money, but to us there is a still a campaign going on in OH, one of democracy

[Name removed]

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[grumpy old fart]

39. This is outlandish....Dems had "hundreds of lawyers".....

and big bucks at the ready in case of the need for a recount. Now that the time has come, even if it is the Glibs leading the way, it's all being handled like it's amateur night. What gives? Where the DNC $$? What excuse is there for this seemingly fumbling, ill funded, recount?

[BrotherBuzz]

41. Is Katrina working with Joan Quinn?

or is she on another team in Greene county? I have been receiving daily updates from Joan and Eve on Christine Craft's Sacramento radio program "Talk City", and there has been no mention of the slashed tires, or even the forced-off-the-road incident, for that matter. Is Joan not mentioning these items because there might be a police investigation going on or are they just not productive to mention?

[kk897]

97. I believe Joan and Eve aren't working on Katrina's GP recount team n/t

[Joe for Clark]

42. $$$

I would love to help.

I can't send you gas cards and I don't think I can send you a recording device in any time reasonable, but I can send some money.

I am from the Clark group, and a number of us would like to help.

We can send you 200.00 (from me) however you'd like. I just need to know how or where to send it. This is from the General Clark people, people who still believe in Democracy.

Can you please post instructions on the clark04.com site (old site).

You can just post as anonymous with instructions. We'll know what to do.

Thanks,

Joe

[SueZhope]

48. Welcome to Du Joe for Clark n/t

[Carolab]

44. Can't the money we donate on the Cobb site help?

Or how about the www.helpAmericarecount.org site?

Please tell us how to help!

[suffragette]

45. Money donated on Cobb's site

Many of us, including me, donated there. Are they out of funds now?

[grumpy old fart]

47. This is like foraging through scrap yard to uparmor hummers

while the DoD sits on billions. Where the hell is the Dem $$??

[dzika]

77. Resources from Cobb

Katrina says that she and the other 38 witnesses in Greene County are not being reimbursed for expenses.

Should I email the GP and ask them what is the deal?

[jdog]

49. Dzika, I appreciate what you are doing and

I'm willing to donate. But since I don't know you can you provide us with somewhere transparent through which we can donate for this specifically?

[goclark]

50. kick and prayers for Katrina

[Niche]

51. Questioning all this Kerry bashing and all this...

donate monies. I have not gotten this news on my Green Party update. Holly is the recount coordinater isn't she - why isn't she being targeted by "tire slashers and big blue trucks?" I would be careful DUers about where you put your cash. I just gave more to Greens I will give more... they have to get mini cassette recorders there in Ohio...

Carolab is right -- donate to votecobb. Please SEND YOUR 200.00 where you know it is will be used! I urge this because the freeps are out. I do not doubt that Katrina needs resources just be careful with your donations.

[EFerrari]

57. Are you an OH Green, Niche? Because I've been updating the

Los Angeles Greens, i.e., providing updates as often as needed when waiting for the newsletter is not optimum. They're much more active than up here in SF so I stay in touch with them.

[dzika]

82. I'm not part of GP.

I'm just in touch with a few people in Ohio who are working with the GP.

[dzika]

52. Another update is coming...

I'm talkting to Katrina now.

Check for an update in this thread about 5:45 PM ET.

[Vinnie From Indy]

54. This Post Set Off My BS Alarm

I apologize if I offend anyone, but the above story by dzika about Katerina seems odd and worthy of investigation.

Is this woman part of the official recount teams for the Dems or the Glibs?

If she is part of an official team, wouldn't they be providing funds for transportation, recorders etc.?

If she isn't part of these efforts how is she getting admitted to the recount rooms?

She also says that there will be a video showing that hand recounts should be done based on Ohio law. The court will be involved in this and the video will most likely be provided as evidence.

What does this mean? Does she have surveillance video? Did she make her own home made video of how the recount was to be performed? Who made this video?

Oh yeah, I almost left out the scariest part:
Katrina had her tires slashed at the Greene County BOE between 1:30 and 1:45 PM CT on Wednesday. Her car was parked in the BOE lot.

Didn't this woman also report that she was followed and run off the road by men in "dark SUV's with Maryland plates"? Did tire slashing event happen in Greene County? What law enforcement agency did she file the Police report with?

Lastly, for reasons that she didn't have time to explain fully, Katrina says that she understands and trusts the statements David Cobb made about John Kerry in his interview with The Raw Story.

Why would Katerina have time enough to detail her needs, provide and update and not have time to offer comments on this posted tidbit?

I would urge a bit of caution before coughing up money for this poster. In fact, if you want to give money, I would advise that you call the party that Katerina is representing be they the Greens or the Dems and make your donation through them to be given to her. At least you are not donating your money into thin air on a suspicious story and if she is real, she will still get the stuff through her group. Just a thought!

[grumpy old fart]

55. Agree big time....n/t

[EFerrari]

56. I find both credible. If you don't, check with Holly at the Cobb

campaign. Her contact info is posted there: www.votecobb.org

Holly seems to handle out of state volunteers.

[Vinnie From Indy]

58. I admire your trusting nature

I STRONGLY advise anyone considering giving this woman or DZIKA money to use caution.

Just stating that you feel the post is credible is not going to persuade me. Why is it credible?


Doesn't it strike you as odd that a person that is working for one of the parties is using the DU board to solicit funds through a third party poster? Aren't you a bit curious as to why every episode related to this woman involves "dark SUV's with MD plates" terrorizing her or having her "tires slashed"? Why is SHE the only one of the recount teams reporting these events? I have dozens more reasons why this post smells to high heaven and rates a ten on my BS alarm. Please explain why you believe the story to be credible.

[Mojorabbit]

61. Is there a big black market for

hand held taperecorders then?

[Vinnie From Indy]

64. Who Knows?

There is, however, a huge pool of people that feel so passionately about these issues it might cloud their judgment.
Suspending common sense is not an activity that one should practice so cavalierly.

[EFerrari]

62. Not interested in convincing anyone, I was offering you

an alternative by posting the Cobb campaign info.

[Vinnie From Indy]

65. Thanks!

You rock!

[bunny planet]

59. Yup, just checked my emails. There is a current Ohio recount update

from the Greens. No mention of need for tape recorders. Just an update about the problems in getting a 3% difference to trigger a handcount. They said that they were certain a handcount would turn up many more votes for Kerry in one county than the 12 that came up running the cards through the machine again. Katrina needs to be less cryptic, and also we need to give money only to parties we know about, like Greens directly.

[dzika]

75. Vince from Indy...

Does my updated post (below) answer your questions?

Katrina did not ask for money. She does not have time to personally detail her requests right now. I am trying to help.

Maybe she will be able to post some of her own comments later tonight.

[kk897]

99. no one mentioned being reimbursed in any way in Glib recount training NT

[Mojorabbit]

60. I can donate gas cards but I don't think

I can pm either?
Peace
Mojorabbit

[jsascj]

63. How can we get her gas cards?

Where do they go?

[dzika]

66. I'm still working on an update

and responses to questions.

[Vinnie From Indy]

67. What Does that mean?

I am a little slow, so bear with me if you would. I wish you would be a bit more precise in your language. Are you waiting for more info from Katerina or are you composing a post with answers to the above questions and you are just a slow typist? What is your connection with Katerina? She is driving around rural Ohio being terrorized by "dark SUV's with MD plates" and you are in NC?

[rodeodance]

68. Is this the same person who got run off the roa? I forget who that was.

[rodeodance]

69. "Katrina confirms that the 3 precincts chosen were not at random .."

How were counties selected?

[Vinnie From Indy]

70. The Counties Were All Selected

In a statewide recount ALL the counties are chosen. In this case 88 counties.

[zapped 1]

72. ditto

Yes? No?
I would think that if someone is going to run you off the road like that, you aren't going to survive to talk about it.

She should be asking Kerry for money. These people are tapped out.

[dzika]

79. Vince, I was on the phone with Katrina....

... and then we got interrupted. Then I was on hold for a while. Then I saw a few more questions posted...

I don't think I'm a slow typist but I am a slow note-taker.

I am in NC. She is in Greene County, Ohio at the BOE.

[dzika]

74. Update from Katrina in Greene County 6:30 PM ET

Update from Katrina in Greene County 6:30 PM ET


Precincts 442 ,224 and 31 are the only precincts that were recounted in Greene County.

There seems to be some confusion as to which 3% to use:
a) 3% of registered voters
b) 3% of ballots cast
c) 3% of 'valid' ballots cast

The Greene County BOE is basing the recount on 3% of 'valid' ballots cast.


Katrina has been researching Absentee votes that were not considered valid. She has found and copied about 350 Absentee votes that were not counted that should have been. The ballots were not counted because they arrived after Nov. 2nd. Katrina contents that Absentee ballots should be counted if they are signed, dated and post marked by Nov. 2nd and arrive at the BOE by Nov. 12th. The under-counted absentee ballots that she has found arrived between the 3rd and the 8th. I am not certain if this is for a single precinct or all of Greene County.


Someone asked if other people were being targeted. The answer is yes. Katrina knows of the following:

4 people have been physically threatened
2 people have been "touched"
3 people have had their cars broken into
1 person had their home entered and desk "ransacked" and confidential contact info was taken.
2 people are missing (that is alarming, isn't it).

The police have refused to take a report on the missing people. One of the persons may have left due to being threatened. Katrina says that she thinks that this person would have contacted her before leaving so she is suspicious.

The other missing person was last seen leaving the Greene County BOE. The Police say that this person was "pulled over" by the after leaving the BOE and then sent to Wal-mart to meet up with other volunteers but supposedly never arrived.

She says that until she hears from either of these people that she will consider them missing.


Another strange behavior from the local police:
As you probably know, volunteers have been watching the Greene County BOE 24 hours a day since the mysterious "unlocked door" last Saturday morning. I have several audio recordings of the local Sheriff stopping by the BOE and talking very politely with Katrina while she watched the building Saturday night and Sunday morning.

Those that volunteered for watching the building on Sunday and Monday night also had polite conversations with the local law enforcement when they stopped by during the night to check the building.

However, on Tuesday night, before the recounts were to start in Greene County on Wednesday, Katrina says that the "police did everything possible to make sure there would be no one there". Katrina stopped by the BOE on Tuesday night to find that several Police cars had "surrounded" the volunteers watching the building and that "police were threatening to jail this person".

Katrina was also pulled over in Greene County because her license place was "crooked" and the tint on her window was too dark.



Katrina is not working directly with Joan and Eve right now so she can't speak to the details they have provided in interviews. She does say they are working in the same County.




Considering what has gone on here at DU in the past days, I don't mind anyone doubting me. I have simply been trying to report the facts that Katrina gives me to keep everyone up to date.


My name is David Edwards. I live near Raleigh, NC. I have never met Katrina in person. I have talked to her a lot over the past week. If you have followed my posts about her then you will see that there is a lot of detailed information. Not the least of which is the "lockdown" and subsequent "unlocked door" at the Greene County BOE this past weekend. There have been several press releases regarding these events and Countdown also reported on them on Monday.

We are dealing with informal information as it emerges. I think that we are lucky to have someone like Katrina in Greene County who will share this information with us.


Katrina claims to have letters authorizing her as a Coordinator from the Dems, Libs and GP. She read these letter to me and they sound real enough. She plans to ask the lawyer if she can fax me a copy. As a coordinator, she has the ability to appoint additional recount witnesses.


As far as funding goes, she says that the GP and Lib Party employees are being paid but the volunteers aren't. She has turned in receipt for things like copies but doesn't expect to be reimbursed. She says that she does intend to return any equipment that is donated. Katrina HAS NOT asked for any money.

Katrina says that she is used to having very little support so it's no big deal if people don't believe her. She says that the important thing is to go find someone that you can believe and to support them. Help in the way that makes you comfortable.



Regarding the video evidence that I wrote about earlier. This evidence was recorded by a documentary crew. She says that the documentary was called "Leading Ohio: A Documentary" or something close to that. The crew was from the FranklinGang.com. The name of the person was "R. S. Robinson" with an email address of [e-mail] (I hope that is right).

Someone at Pacifica Radio suggested that this crew film the recounts in Greene County. They have video of the machine totals not matching the hand-count totals.


I also have the name and the number of the Officer that took the break-in report for Katrina's car. I'm not certain that it is wise to post this information.


If people are still interested, another update is coming late tonight.

[Helga Scow Stern]

80. Of course we are interested in another update!

Btw, there are emails from Katrina Sumner on the recount-org list that somehow I am also on. She is real. They are working very hard against all odds and deserve our support.

Also, there was a mention in a Green Party Update posted earlier today of tire slashing and other threats.

Thanks, David.

[GetTheRightVote]

83. Hello All, I helped in the Recount effort in Allen County yesterday

At the recount I participated in the great state of Ohio the percincts to be recounted within the County were choosed by the Director of the Board of Elections personally, they were not a random example of the population, they were his example. When questioned concerning this decision of his, he stated, that he wished to use as few machines as possible in the recount as well as the precincts which matched up closes to each other and to the 3% mark the county needed to reach. We were not allowed to view the polling books, the absentee or provisional ballots which have been the areas of most concern. The polling books are the tool designed to work against election fraud yet they were not available for us to view. They wanted to make sure that they got a machine recount on the second time around not a hand count (makes me wonder too, why go to all this trouble, hum). They made sure of it by controlling the 3% that were recounted the first time.

Yes, this is how it works in the great state of Ohio, the state/county in which I watched a farce recount happen and a Democracy on its way out the door.

The individuals I worked with in Ohio are all aware of Katrina and events surrounding her.

[Helga Scow Stern]

84. Thanks, GetTheRightVote. And here is Green Update email:

The Cobb-LaMarche Campaign
Working to Make Every Vote Count!


Hello Recount Supporters!
I apologize for not sending an update earlier. Between the 18-20 hour days and my AOL account acting up, I just have not been able to post to this list. Hopefully, you have been visiting our website at http://www.votecobb.org for updates from our County Coordinators and Green Recount Observers.

As you might have read, there is widespread confusion among BoE's about the definition of "random" when referring to the "random 3%" hand recount required by law. Many officials seem to believe that choosing which precincts to hand recount based on the number of voters is 'random.' Cuyahoga limited the selection of 'random' precincts to those that had 550 votes and over, which effectively eliminated approximately 90% of precincts from consideration.

One county put the names/numbers of all precincts in a bowl and pulled out precincts to recount -- that's random.

Observers have faced a range of attitudes, from pleasantness and willingness to answer questions to outright obstruction and hostility. Some are being threatened with expulsion if they talk to the counting teams creating a very tense and negative experience for those volunteers who want to exercise their right under law to observe the process.

These volunteers deserve our thanks and gratitude for stepping up.

Ballot security is a big issue.We're discovering that ballots are being stored in unsealed boxes in locked broom closets, or in shelves in a locked lunchroom, open to all employees who lunch there every day. There are deeply disturbing reports coming out of Greene County, about unlocked offices and intimidation techniques including: phone calls and slashed tires .

NEW TOTALS DON'T MEAN A THING UNDER RECOUNT CODE

Vote totals are changing, with extra votes for Kerry and Bush being found (not huge amounts) but a new vote total doesn't trigger a full hand recount. Only a discrepancy between the 3% hand recount and computer count can trigger a full hand recount.

In Montgomery County, the hand recount of 3% found an additional 8 votes for Kerry. Because the hand and computer counts matched, though, the remaining 97% of the ballots were run thru the computer. An additional 12 votes for Kerry were found.

3% hand = extra 8
97% computer = extra 12

It seems obvious that a full hand recount would have discovered more than just 12 new votes for Kerry.

RECOUNT REPORTS
Day Four of the Ohio Recount brought more tales of ballot prepping (to allow the hand count and the machine count to match) and more tales of not-so-random selection of voting precincts. Observers are taking copious notes, and we are posting initial reports by Coordinators and Observers as they come in. Take a moment to read about Fairfield County, which will reconvene on Saturday to do a hand recount of the 3% with a new machine (the same situation Monroe County faced on Tuesday). Nine more counties will begin their counts on Friday, with Defiance County scheduled for Saturday and Trumbull County for Monday. For now, all reports can be found at http://www.votecobb.org/press /

LEGAL UPDATE


On December 7, 2004, our attorneys sent a letter via facsimile and via overnight mail, on our behalf, to Secretary Blackwell outlining a series of issues relating to his Outline of Recount Procedures as posted on his official website. We stated in the letter that "resolution of these issues is necessary in order to ensure that the recount is conducted uniformly in the various county boards of election and in accordance with state and federal law."

As reports from conversations with the different Boards of Elections and our County Coordinators began to come in last week, we grew concerned about the varying standards throughout the State of Ohio as to how the recount in each of the counties would be conducted. Those varying standards raised serious equal protection and due process concerns. We attempted to go back to Federal Court again on Friday, December 10th before the recount began. The judge denied our Motion for Injunctive Relief citing, as before, the lack of 'irreparable harm' that we would encounter — the third time our efforts to seek a timely and meaningful recount was denied because David Cobb and Michael Badnarik, the Green and Libertarian presidential candidates, respectively, were unlikely to get any electoral college votes.

The Attorney General had until end of business day on December 16th to respond, which he has now done. Basically, the Secretary of State and the Brief of Amici Curiae, filed by the County Commissioners Association of Ohio and Ohio's Association of Election Officials, asked the Court to deny our motion. Notice this phrase in their papers: "....However, these Plaintiffs are doing something far worse. Through this litigation, they are asking this Court to replace the Ohio Secretary of State."



Franklin County Board of Elections

At long last, the Franklin County Board of Elections held a hearing on December 16 to receive testimony from voters about their experiences on Election Day. Amy Kaplan, our Franklin County Recount Coordinator, challenged the Board for not taking advantage of the recount process to restore her faith in the integrity of the system. She went through a long list of requests that she and the Cobb campaign had made in order to have a meaningful recount, especially regarding the DRE machines. All such requests were denied.

Another speaker asked where the Board had been during the four hearings the voters had organized the week of November 13 through 21. Many speakers had acted as observers during the recount as Cobb witnesses. Hearing their stories of four, eight, and even ten hour lines in the rain reminded us once again why we had to challenge this unfair voting process.

NEW MEXICO UPDATE
The Cobb-LaMarche legal team is continuing to weigh its options after a New Mexico court reaffirmed a decision by New Mexico's Democratic Governor Bill Richardson and two colleagues on the New Mexico State Canvassing Board to allow a recount of the state's presidential ballots, but only if David Cobb and other recount advocates paid $1.4 million by yesterday to cover recount costs. We did not pay the $1.4 million, and updates to this story will be posted here later today.

"There's tremendous grassroots support for the recount and for verifying the accuracy of our voting system. We have 800 volunteers who are ready to jump in and monitor the recount process," said Rick Lass, the New Mexico recount coordinator for the Cobb-LaMarche campaign.

RECOUNT MAINSTREAMED
The New York Times, Washington Post, and other mainstream newspapers of record are carrying articles on aspects of the Ohio recount and voting "irregularities." The story about the Triad voting machine technician "replacing the machine's battery" before the recount began, which David Cobb broke to the media at the Judiciary Committee hearing held in Ohio on December 13, has resulted in quotes from Rep. Conyers, a Triad representative, and the naming of the Hocking County elections official who witnessed the technician's actions.

See http://www.votecobb.org/video / to view David Cobb's testimony before Conyers.

NEXT STEPS
We'll continue to post reports as they come in. I'll try to write another update tomorrow, after observing the recount in Fairfield County, with more analysis about the patterns of problems and behaviors.

THANK YOU
Without your support and encouragement, this recount would not be happening.

Sincerely,
Lynne Serpe
Ohio Recount Manager
Cobb/LaMarche '04
Vote Green for Peace, Democracy, Ecology and Justice
www.votecobb.org

[Vinnie From Indy]

87. I'll be your huckleberry!

Katrina claims to have letters authorizing her as a Coordinator from the Dems, Libs and GP. She read these letter to me and they sound real enough. She plans to ask the lawyer if she can fax me a copy. As a coordinator, she has the ability to appoint additional recount witnesses.

Your posts make no sense whatsoever. Why would the all of the parties you mentioned choose a single person to represent their interests in the Ohio recount effort? As I understand the recount effort, the Republicans and the Democrats each have two representatives at the recounting table and the GLIB representatives are witnesses only. They are not allowed to interfere or touch the ballots.

Why has there been no mention anywhere else on these boards of the skulduggery you mentioned in your post?

We are dealing with informal information as it emerges. I think that we are lucky to have someone like Katrina in Greene County who will share this information with us.

That is not technically correct. Katrina is allegedly informing you and you are posting here. She is not directly informing us by posting. All of the posted information is coming from you.

As far as funding goes, she says that the GP and Lib Party employees are being paid but the volunteers aren't. She has turned in receipt for things like copies but doesn't expect to be reimbursed. She says that she does intend to return any equipment that is donated. Katrina HAS NOT asked for any money.

She is a "coordinator" for these groups yet she has no idea if they will reimburse her for her expenses? Was she given no training as coordinator? I find it inconceivable that she would work as a "coordinator" for the GP, The Dems and the Libs yet be clueless as to her chances of getting her gas expensed.

I also have the name and the number of the Officer that took the break-in report for Katrina's car. I'm not certain that it is wise to post this information.

You wrote in your first post that her tires were slashed. Now, it seems, her car was broken into. Which is it? Also, you wrote in another post (the one about the dark SUV's running her off the road) that she didn't file a report for that incident. Why would she file a report for slashed tires, but not attempted murder?

I hope that people use just an ounce of common sense before giving anything to people making highly illogical, conflicting and vague claims on these boards.

edit:removed word "transparently"

[IAMREALITY]

91. Dzika YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!

DON'T LET ANYONE HERE BRING YOU DOWN. YOU ARE DOING A GREAT SERVICE AND WE NEED YOU TO CONTINUE!!!


:yourock: :toast:

[Vinnie From Indy]

94. Yeah! and leave your Common Sense at The Door!

The entire Katrina story is not believable, in my opinion, and no amount of back slapping and "atta girl" will change that.

If people are going to solicit money or pre-paid gas cards on these boards, people interested in helping the cause SHOULD take a good look at the who, what, and why.

[IAMREALITY]

96. DZIKA YOU ROCK!!!!!

DON'T LET ANYONE HERE BRING YOU DOWN. YOU ARE DOING A GREAT SERVICE AND WE NEED YOU TO CONTINUE!!!


:yourock: :toast:

[EFerrari]

92. Vinnie, have you checked with Holly yet? The Greens are

pretty accessible. I've tagged up with Blair Bobier in the past, and also with Holly when the lockdown was reported here.

[dzika]

102. OK Doc, I stand corrected...

I am dealing with information as it emerges and as Katrina reports it to me.

As far as you know, all of the info I posted information came from me.


Which "skulduggery" do you mean? I think I am posting this information because it is not posted anywhere else. If it has been then I am sorry for the dupe.


I don't know why she is representing 3 parties. But I do know that there seems to be some difference between the "Coordinators" and the "Witnesses".


Katrina says that her car was broken into and her tires were slashed.


Our first call was rather short so I tried to get additional information in the second call. I only learn about these thing because someone asked if anyone else was being "targeted". So I asked her. I took noted about what she told me then I posted it here.

I am doing my best to not make "highly illogical, conflicting and vague claims", as you say.

Obviously, you don't believe me so why are you asking me questions? It seems that you won't believe my answers either.

Go do some research of your own. Call the Green Party and ask them if they know Katrina. Do a search for Katrina or Dzika in this forum and read the previous posts about Greene County. Maybe you can think of some other ways to verify this information. Be creative.

I am never going to be able to provide you with 100% conclusive proof of anything. Take it or leave it.


I am trying very hard to provide you as many details as possible. I have sent the link to this thread to Katrina's email. Maybe she will personally respond to your questions when she can.

[proudbluestater]

132. Dzika, you are providing an important service here...

if you don't find it necessary to engage in refuting the doubters each time they post, I'm sure most of us won't mind.

The same thing happened at Kerry's old site. It got so heavily freeped that it just wasn't worth participating in anymore.

To the insistent critics:
If you have doubts about the veracity of the reports, why don't you just MOVE ON to another topic? Don't think you have to be here to "save us from ourselves," we're all grown ups here. Thanks.

[dzika]

134. Thanks...

ProudBlue, Thanks for the rational thoughts.

He got me a little worked up.

[sunnystarr]

114. Those of us who have been following Katrina since this started

know how real she is and she has been taking the time to update us. She has provided legal testimony. I don't know who you are ... but I know who Katrina is.

I also don't know why you find it so important to take your time to try to discredit her and/or have us doubt her.

You sure don't have to support her and those of us that do are adult enough to make our own decisions.

[KatieBloom]

117. I totally agree!

[regularjoe]

129. You know Katrina? Personally? And when you say...

"she has been taking the time to update us" do you mean she personally posts of DU? Or are you referring to another communication route? I'm trying to find out exactly what you are saying.

regularjoe

[dzika]

130. I do know Katrina but

not very well. I am in NC. She is in OH. We have only spoken by phone.

Most of our contact has been over the phone because she is at the Greene County BOE.

Katrina also posts to DU but not very often. I was hoping she would post some tonight. She understands and has seen most of this stuff and could provide clear answers.

As it is, you are getting second-hand information from me and I know very little.

[regularjoe]

131. Actually I was posing those questions to sunnystarr. But you...

answered my question about whether Katrina posts here or not. Thanks.

regularjoe

[rumpel]

90. If we can not rely on the local law enforcement, how about

contacting the Guardian Angels or something like that?
This is absolutely outrageous!

[EFerrari]

93. It is, and also why it's so important that these folks work in teams

and have regular check ins.

[buzzard]

126. Did she say how people were allowed to film the machine and hand counts?

I thought only designated persons were allowed access to this process.

[dzika]

128. No, I am a little confused by this too.

She said that they were no longer letting them take coats and purses into the BOE areas.

I took it to mean that there was some effort to stop video and audio recording devices from getting into the building. One could have nothing to do with the other, though.

I took a look at the FranklinForge.com website and there was just a small forum. It doesn't look like a documentary crew to me.

I am sure there is an explanation. It's hard to think of all of the questions to ask during the phone call.

[Farah]

143. Do you have any copies of the letters...

that we may be able to have a look at?

Also, can I just verify that all these people were subjected to physical harassment during the recount effort?

Thanks =D

[bobbieinok]

162. anyoone else feel 'deja vu'???? 1964 MS Summer...Goodman, Swerner,

Cheney are arrested in Philadelphia MS, let go, they 'disappear', their bodies are found later

it's believed the police delivered them to the KKK outside of town

[Slit Skirt]

81. kick

[sepia_steel]

86. kick

Thank to EVERYONE working on Ohio.

[dzika]

85. Feel free to email me...

Feel free to email me your contact information at [e-mail] if you want to help out.

I have the address of a P.O. Box for Katrina but I don't want to post it online.

I'm still trying to figure out how to purchase pre-paid gas cards.

Please let me know if you have any ideas.

[EFerrari]

88. Thanks for keeping us posted, David, will do. n/t

[EFerrari]

89. kick

[phantomvotes]

95. I Hope this helps

folow the links you can purchase by credit card, electronic fund transfers and moneyorders. Overnight fedex for a 100. card is 19.95.


http://www.svmcards.net/order/order0.cfm?page=start.cfm

http://www.svmcards.net/products.cfm?corp=yes

[zapped 1]

98. ask for police reports ...

...before donating your hard earned money. Sorry about the scepticism.
I really do hope that this is legit.


" 3 people have had their cars broken into
1 person had their home entered and desk "ransacked" and confidential contact info was taken.
2 people are missing (that is alarming, isn't it)."

[jdog]

104. uh uh. no. I don't think so. n/t

[zimba]

106. Thanks for the update dzika. The Greens have

been trying to raise $88,000 this week for basics associated with the recount. They have raised $67,000 so far, and I suspect that most of that is earmarked, so the other $21,000 plus new items remain uncovered.

dzika, let Katrina know that I was close to tears when I read that she has now had her tires slashed after all that has already happened to her. Then rage took over. It boils my blood to think that people like her are on their own time spending their own money and getting hell for it. And no help from the local police. WTF is wrong with this country.

Katrina, you and all the other recount workers ROCK BIG TIME. My prayers go with all of you.

[Vinnie From Indy]

113. A PO Box in NC ?

A P.O. Box? You have got to be kidding me? This is a joke right?

PLEASE TO ANYBODY READING THIS - DON"T GIVE THIS GUY A DIME!

If fraud lives anywhere, it lives in a P.O. box. I cannot believe anyone would be dumb enough to send pre-paid gas cards to a post office box. Especially one in NC (if that's where dzinka tells you it is).

[zapped 1]

101. more proof,please...

...before donating your hard earned money. Sorry about the scepticism.
I really do hope that this is legit.


" 3 people have had their cars broken into
1 person had their home entered and desk "ransacked" and confidential contact info was taken.
2 people are missing (that is alarming, isn't it)."

And, someone being run off the road?
And no one is reporting on this?

[EFerrari]

105. Zapped, have you contacted the Green Party?

I'm not advocating one way or the other, although Mike Rivero for one posted Katrina's story to his site. Mike's no fool. I don't always agree with him but he is careful to vet and to correct what goes up.

But, it's good to be careful especially with all this orchestrated chaos raining down. So, why not contact someone at votecobb.org?

Another thing, if I were Katrina or any of those people, why would I report police harrassment to the police?! That sounds problematic at best.

[Vinnie From Indy]

103. Don't be Foolish People - VERIFY

Please read through this thread completely before donating money or buying pre-paid gas cards. Use your own judgment and don't be swayed by illogical arguments or enormous type. This posters story makes NO sense and it would seem obvious that further investigation would be in order BEFORE donating. Also, common sense should tell you that any donation should be made to groups or individuals that you can verify and identify and never to some stranger on these forums.

[yowzayowzayowza]

111. Vinnie, Vinnie, Vinnie.

The repetition of your counsel is beginning to reek of advertising.

[Vinnie From Indy]

115. Huh?

What am I selling? In fact, I am done with this thread. I have already posted abundant evidence that this request for gas cards is beyond belief. If people read the post and still decide to give up their money, it is their right as an American to be stupid.

[EFerrari]

123. (flipping thru the Constitution thwpfwpthwp) Thanks for your concern

[dzika]

112. The more people that verify this story the better.

Crazy things are going on in Ohio. People need to know.

Thanks for everyone's support!

[sunnystarr]

116. Seems like crazy things are happening on this thread as well ..

Keep up the great work dzika and let Katrina know we're all behind her and the rest of those working so hard. :)

[IAMREALITY]

118. DZIKA,

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!


:yourock: :toast:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

137. According to an update I received from the Green Party, someone did

Have their tires slashed.

This was in the email from them:

Ballot security is a big issue.We're discovering that ballots are being stored in unsealed boxes in locked broom closets, or in shelves in a locked lunchroom, open to all employees who lunch there every day. There are deeply disturbing reports coming out of Greene County, about unlocked offices and intimidation techniques including: phone calls and slashed tires .

For those who hadn't received one, here is the entire email:

The Cobb-LaMarche Campaign
Working to Make Every Vote Count!
----------------------------------




Hello Recount Supporters!
I apologize for not sending an update earlier. Between the 18-20 hour days and my AOL account acting up, I just have not been able to post to this list. Hopefully, you have been visiting our website at http://www.votecobb.org for updates from our County Coordinators and Green Recount Observers.

As you might have read, there is widespread confusion among BoE's about the definition of "random" when referring to the "random 3%" hand recount required by law. Many officials seem to believe that choosing which precincts to hand recount based on the number of voters is 'random.' Cuyahoga limited the selection of 'random' precincts to those that had 550 votes and over, which effectively eliminated approximately 90% of precincts from consideration.

One county put the names/numbers of all precincts in a bowl and pulled out precincts to recount -- that's random.

Observers have faced a range of attitudes, from pleasantness and willingness to answer questions to outright obstruction and hostility. Some are being threatened with expulsion if they talk to the counting teams creating a very tense and negative experience for those volunteers who want to exercise their right under law to observe the process.

These volunteers deserve our thanks and gratitude for stepping up.

Ballot security is a big issue.We're discovering that ballots are being stored in unsealed boxes in locked broom closets, or in shelves in a locked lunchroom, open to all employees who lunch there every day. There are deeply disturbing reports coming out of Greene County, about unlocked offices and intimidation techniques including: phone calls and slashed tires .

NEW TOTALS DON'T MEAN A THING UNDER RECOUNT CODE

Vote totals are changing, with extra votes for Kerry and Bush being found (not huge amounts) but a new vote total doesn't trigger a full hand recount. Only a discrepancy between the 3% hand recount and computer count can trigger a full hand recount.

In Montgomery County, the hand recount of 3% found an additional 8 votes for Kerry. Because the hand and computer counts matched, though, the remaining 97% of the ballots were run thru the computer. An additional 12 votes for Kerry were found.

3% hand = extra 8
97% computer = extra 12

It seems obvious that a full hand recount would have discovered more than just 12 new votes for Kerry.

RECOUNT REPORTS
Day Four of the Ohio Recount brought more tales of ballot prepping (to allow the hand count and the machine count to match) and more tales of not-so-random selection of voting precincts. Observers are taking copious notes, and we are posting initial reports by Coordinators and Observers as they come in. Take a moment to read about Fairfield County, which will reconvene on Saturday to do a hand recount of the 3% with a new machine (the same situation Monroe County faced on Tuesday). Nine more counties will begin their counts on Friday, with Defiance County scheduled for Saturday and Trumbull County for Monday. For now, all reports can be found at http://www.votecobb.org/press/

LEGAL UPDATE


On December 7, 2004, our attorneys sent a letter via facsimile and via overnight mail, on our behalf, to Secretary Blackwell outlining a series of issues relating to his Outline of Recount Procedures as posted on his official website. We stated in the letter that "resolution of these issues is necessary in order to ensure that the recount is conducted uniformly in the various county boards of election and in accordance with state and federal law."

As reports from conversations with the different Boards of Elections and our County Coordinators began to come in last week, we grew concerned about the varying standards throughout the State of Ohio as to how the recount in each of the counties would be conducted. Those varying standards raised serious equal protection and due process concerns. We attempted to go back to Federal Court again on Friday, December 10th before the recount began. The judge denied our Motion for Injunctive Relief citing, as before, the lack of 'irreparable harm' that we would encounter — the third time our efforts to seek a timely and meaningful recount was denied because David Cobb and Michael Badnarik, the Green and Libertarian presidential candidates, respectively, were unlikely to get any electoral college votes.

The Attorney General had until end of business day on December 16th to respond, which he has now done. Basically, the Secretary of State and the Brief of Amici Curiae, filed by the County Commissioners Association of Ohio and Ohio's Association of Election Officials, asked the Court to deny our motion. Notice this phrase in their papers: "....However, these Plaintiffs are doing something far worse. Through this litigation, they are asking this Court to replace the Ohio Secretary of State."



Franklin County Board of Elections

At long last, the Franklin County Board of Elections held a hearing on December 16 to receive testimony from voters about their experiences on Election Day. Amy Kaplan, our Franklin County Recount Coordinator, challenged the Board for not taking advantage of the recount process to restore her faith in the integrity of the system. She went through a long list of requests that she and the Cobb campaign had made in order to have a meaningful recount, especially regarding the DRE machines. All such requests were denied.

Another speaker asked where the Board had been during the four hearings the voters had organized the week of November 13 through 21. Many speakers had acted as observers during the recount as Cobb witnesses. Hearing their stories of four, eight, and even ten hour lines in the rain reminded us once again why we had to challenge this unfair voting process.

NEW MEXICO UPDATE
The Cobb-LaMarche legal team is continuing to weigh its options after a New Mexico court reaffirmed a decision by New Mexico's Democratic Governor Bill Richardson and two colleagues on the New Mexico State Canvassing Board to allow a recount of the state's presidential ballots, but only if David Cobb and other recount advocates paid $1.4 million by yesterday to cover recount costs. We did not pay the $1.4 million, and updates to this story will be posted here later today.

"There's tremendous grassroots support for the recount and for verifying the accuracy of our voting system. We have 800 volunteers who are ready to jump in and monitor the recount process," said Rick Lass, the New Mexico recount coordinator for the Cobb-LaMarche campaign.

RECOUNT MAINSTREAMED
The New York Times, Washington Post, and other mainstream newspapers of record are carrying articles on aspects of the Ohio recount and voting "irregularities." The story about the Triad voting machine technician "replacing the machine's battery" before the recount began, which David Cobb broke to the media at the Judiciary Committee hearing held in Ohio on December 13, has resulted in quotes from Rep. Conyers, a Triad representative, and the naming of the Hocking County elections official who witnessed the technician's actions.

See http://www.votecobb.org/video/ to view David Cobb's testimony before Conyers.

NEXT STEPS
We'll continue to post reports as they come in. I'll try to write another update tomorrow, after observing the recount in Fairfield County, with more analysis about the patterns of problems and behaviors.

THANK YOU
Without your support and encouragement, this recount would not be happening.

Sincerely,
Lynne Serpe
Ohio Recount Manager
Cobb/LaMarche '04
Vote Green for Peace, Democracy, Ecology and Justice
www.votecobb.org


_______________________________________________
recount-news mailing list
[e-mail]
http://lists.votecobb.org/mailman/listinfo/recount-news

[dzika]

140. Thanks for posting the email.

I believe that there is a similar update letter from the Greens in another post above.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

160. Your welcome. :)

[Doremus]

110. Where is Greene County? I have the name of the SE Ohio...

Regional Coordinator and his email, but I don't know if Greene County is SE Ohio?

Answered my own question. It's SW Ohio, so that won't do it, sorry.

[Blue_In_AK]

120. Southwest, just east of Dayton

[dzika]

121. Contact List for Ohio Green Party

Contact List is here:
http://www.ohiogreens.org/contactlist.html

[GetTheRightVote]

122. Just got off the phone with Holly - GP Coodinator

She has heard of Katrina but does not know entire story or actions surrounding her. Katrina is a representive but was a last minute replacement for another volunteer who got sick in Green County. There are many actions being taken all over the state of Ohio which are not correct, some locations more friendly then others, but Katrina is a assertive person who could be pushing the wrong buttons on some people. I hope she is very careful because their are a lot of nut balls out there who will do a great deal of harm to her if they feel threathen by her. Good luck to her and other volunteers like her, keep them in your prays tonight.

[caligirl]

124. I'll say it again, she needs to find a body builder, ruff type to stay

with her 24/7. Its biody guarding time.

[Lil]

125. ah - yep - at the very least.

Not pretty to imagine what Rove et al might do if it looks like their empire is really going down.

[EFerrari]

127. kick for volunteers doing our work

[Peter Frank]

133. No dollars for me to give right now...

...I do offer my passion for, and resolve to discover -- the absolute truth (fraud or not).

My prayers precede the efforts of everyone on the front lines of this battle for transparency. The greatest evils thrive in the deepest darkness; and those who bring simple light to such a lair do so at genuine risk -- especially when vast power is housed in the most visible of unexplored and unexplained voids.

That may sound kinda' dramatic, but you can ask some old school civil rights activists if the danger they experienced was exaggerated.

Everyone out there, stay in contact with your people.

[bobbieinok]

164. repost from above

anyone else feel 'deja vu'???? 1964 MS Summer...Goodman, Swerner,
Cheney are arrested in Philadelphia MS, let go, they 'disappear', their bodies are found later

it's believed the police delivered them to the KKK outside of town

agreeing with your comment....

That may sound kinda' dramatic, but you can ask some old school civil rights activists if the danger they experienced was exaggerated.

[dzika]

136. Thanks for everyone's help!

Several people have sent audio records to Katrina's team. She could use a few more.

I have never been able to find a good way to send pre-paid gas cards. The best I could do was to send some money via Western Union. I could only afford $80 and this won't last long for 38 volunteers.

They charge a high premium. I sent $80 and they charged me $20 to send it.

This seems like a pretty safe way to get money to her because you don't need her address or phone number. There are many Western Union locations in Dayton and it would be difficult for someone to know where or when she was going.


Katrina did not ask for money but if you want to send some then it is pretty simple. Go to Western Union's website and follow the directions:
http://wumt.westernunion.com/info/osCompareMoneyMessage.asp


You will need to send the money to Katrina Sumner in Dayton, Ohio.

Please PM me or email me with the "Money Transfer Control Number" and I will get the information to Katrina.

I apologize if posting this type of information is inappropriate or makes anyone uncomfortable.

Keep in mind that there are 88 Counties in Ohio and there are probably plenty more people that need help. You might want to keep you eyes open for way to help these people who are doing the "dirty business of Democracy."

Also, please let me know if you find any ways that I can help.

Thank you!

[Carolab]

139. Could this money go to Arnebeck's office instead?

Then Katrina could receive it from them. Is she close to/working near Columbus? Or could it be wired from Arnebeck's offices to her? Or possibly through CASE Ohio? Have you or she investigated this possibility?

[dzika]

152. Carolab, I haven't checked with Arnebecks office

There probably does need to be some kind of centralized and legitimized effort. There are 88 counties in Ohio and as far as I know volunteers aren't being reimbursed in any of them.

I see today that Arnebeck wants money for the legal fund. GP/Lib Party staffers are being paid with the funds that they raised.

I posted this request on the behalf of Katrina... maybe it was a bad idea. At least she got a little help.

[Vinnie From Indy]

141. This Post Bears The Hallmarks of a SCAM

You have repeatedly claimed that Katrina HAS NOT asked for money, yet the focus of your post is for people to send money. Further, you direct people to send money to PO boxes and Western Union offices. Why not request denotations be made directly to the party you claim Katrina is working as a coordinator for and direct that it be given to her? Why is that not an option in your posts?


I have never been able to find a good way to send pre-paid gas cards. The best I could do was to send some money via Western Union. I could only afford $80 and this won't last long for 38 volunteers.


38 volunteers? This is the first appearance of this tidbit of information. Who are these volunteers working for? The Greens? The Dems? Your earlier postings asked for recorders and prepaid gas cards FOR Katrina because you said she wasn't getting reimbursed for her expenses as coordinator for Greens, The Libs AND the Dems. Now, your post indicates that money should be donated to fund 38 people! Your story grows more fantastic with every installment.

Katrina did not ask for money but if you want to send some then it is pretty simple. Go to Western Union's website and follow the directions:
http://wumt.westernunion.com/info/osCompareMoneyMessage...
You will need to send the money to Katrina Sumner in Dayton, Ohio.
Please PM me or email me with the "Money Transfer Control Number" and I will get the information to Katrina.

Again, for a woman that has told you she isn't asking for money, you certainly are pushing very hard for people to send money.

I apologize if posting this type of information is inappropriate or makes anyone uncomfortable

No, what makes me uncomfortable is that your posting makes no sense and bears all the hallmarks of a scam.

[dzika]

142. Thanks for you comments.

[sickinohio]

144. I say this is a scam - give your money to Arnebeck to help with his

filing the petition instead.

[Helga Scow Stern]

145. Vinnie, with all due respect, you said you were done with this thread...

Why don't you take that excellent skepticism and go harrass some people who are trying to steal votes instead of bullying people who are working for the truth?

I am just saying....

[IAMREALITY]

146. DZIKA WE ARE GRATEFUL!!!!

DZIKA THANKS AGAIN FOR ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING ACTIVE FOR OUR CAUSE.

DU NEEDS AS MANY MEMBERS THAT ARE LIKE YOU THAT WE CAN FIND!

YOU ROCK BUDDY KEEP IT UP!!!!!

[New Earth]

147. lol

can you please repeat that? i don't understand what you are saying. stop being so vague.

[IAMREALITY]

148. LOL Faye, That's My New Strategy

For those that are so skeptical and try and bring other new DU'rs down who are actually doing something GOOD for our cause. I don't want some newbies that have a TON to offer to be intimidated, hurt, or run off by those who simply have trust issues.

Positive Reinforcement is EVERYTHING!!!!!!

[Helga Scow Stern]

150. Way to go, IAR. Be positive. n/t

[sickinohio]

153. I may be new here - but I just think that it is dangerous to send

hard-earned money through Western Union to someone you don't know. Stranger scams have happened. That's just my opinion, don't knock me for it.

[dzika]

155. Right. I look at it like gambling...

If you can't afford to lose it then don't place the bet.

[sickinohio]

157. Right - I can't afford to lose the money, that's why l am going

to place my bet with Arnebeck and hope that he wins with the law suit. I am losing hope here in Ohio.

[Vinnie From Indy]

163. This Is The Person Asking You To Trust Him

I look at it like gambling. If you can't afford to lose it then don't place the bet.

Does anyone need any additional reason NOT to send this guy money?

He is asking you to send money to PO boxes and Western Union offices in one breath and then in the next he tells you that it is like GAMBLING! He also indicates that you should look upon your DONATION as a bet!

Also, don't be fooled by the same people always cheer leading and encouraging this poster. The use of accomplices is also a fundamental hallmark of scams.

In addition, typing in gigantic type is not the same thing as making a rational argument.

[IAMREALITY]

166. LOL Yeah, Accomplice LOL LOL

KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK DZIKA!!!


(edited for blue, I'm getting sick of red hehehe)

[IAMREALITY]

156. Firstly,

Welcome to DU.

Secondly, No one knocked you for your opinion. At this moment no one still has even responded to your post.

Wasn't yours I responded to, so it wasn't you I was knocking.

Thirdly,

If you are so new here, and haven't followed the whole Katrina story, and haven't followed dzika, and are just seeing this now, than maybe calling it out as a scam is a bit premature????

Anyway,

Welcome! :hi:

[sickinohio]

158. Thanks for the welcome mat !!!

[Old Mouse]

149. Kick - For God's sake stay safe

Keep your street smarts up and watch your back out there!

[EFerrari]

151. kick

[Carl Brennan]

154. Thanks for all the work dzika.

[Old Mouse]

159. KICK damnit!

keep this kicked

[lip-sink]

161. up front and kicked

[bobbieinok]

165. kick

[rumpel]

168. Any new developments? Did the law enforcement take a missing

persons report in the meantime?

[dzika]

169. I don't know...

The last time I talked to Katrina was about 5AM ET and she was writing an affidavit. I had planned to post it here but she hasn't sent it yet. Maybe she hasn't gotten permission.

If I haven't heard from her by Sunday afternoon, I'll start calling.

When I do find something out, I'll start a new thread as this one seems... uh... polluted? Or, at least, long.

[Moderator]

170. Locking

Personal fundraising requires admin approval and these speculative threads about Katrina are being locked.