Can DU become the new MoveOn or TrueMajority? Do we have $ for a TV ad?

[helderheid]

I've been urging people to make the election fraud an issue with the above groups but it hit me, why not make DU the next MoveOn or TM? Could we raise enough funds to do our own ads? Am I nuts? Don't answer that last one...

[regularjoe]

1. No idea. kick. n/t

[helderheid]

2. No idea if we can do this

or if I'm nuts? ;)

[helderheid]

3. boot

[latteromden]

4. Because, quite frankly, the ads would mean NOTHING once the audience

found out about the group behind them. Now, don't get me wrong, I tend to enjoy myself here, but a lot of you (yes, I say 'a lot of you' because the way things are talked about here makes me feel like an outsider) are far too willing to embrace any random theory (conspiracy or non) that comes to light, regardless of the source, and seem to think in terms that are way too radical for the average Democrat, and CERTAINLY the average (or, well, relatively moderate) Republican.

I agree that election fraud ads should be put out, but not by DU. It's like Free Republic putting out an ad - and you KNOW nobody would believe something like that, so why should they believe something from DU, which is FR on the other side of the spectrum?

[helderheid]

5. Good point

Shall we form a new organization?

[KaryninMiami]

6. Agreed- this has to be spun as a non-partisan issue.

I agree- 100% that we need to figure out how to raise money for advertising, our message has to be non-partisan- this is about our right to vote and about our democracy. We need a non-partisan group behind us - a non-profit that focused on voter's rights, for example. Remember, we need to enlist people in all parties but getting them to listen is the first battle after we start getting the word out.
But remember- Fraud is Fraud. I have to believe (call me an optimist) that once people-- most people-- learn what really went on, they will jump on board and demand the truth. Once the fraud is exposed== really exposed, things will begin to unravel. Think Watergate. Remember also that there are some GOP elected officals who really do not like Bush. Also, some pretty pissed off FBI and CIA employees (or ex employees) as well so there is lots of possibility for support to come from unexpected places as the unraveling begins.

But, the first part is that we need to get the word out and do it in a way that will invite people - regardless of affiliation-- to want to know what happened.

[helderheid]

7. How about

uscountvotes.org? They're non-partisan.

[KaryninMiami]

8. It could be any of them but we need a connection to them.

I don't know how the fund raising would work- that's why we need another group who can set up some type of advertising fund for this I guess... I was hoping-- praying-- that MoveOn would jump on this with some of that Soros money. Plus, they have a huge list to get donations...
Anyway, we do need to figure out how to do some serious advertising. If we can't get the media to cover us, then we'll have to buy some media.

[MadScientist]

10. How about us pushing one of the existing organizations? nt

[helderheid]

11. so far

TrueMajority has a voice in this (GOD BLESS BEN COHEN OF BEN AND JERRYS)

http://truemajority.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x?a=frm&s=871107041&f=881106041

[Greybnk48]

9. Can the media refuse to sell time?

Might we get the same thing as the UCC just got...too controversial?

[KaryninMiami]

14. Good question- but again- if we are spin it as protecting the constitution

All we are asking for is to know what happened, right? We believe, based on the enormous amount of evidence, that something went wrong on Nov. 2nd that may or may not have effected the results of the election. All we want to know - all we are demanding to know- is WHAT HAPPENED.
If that's too controversial to pay for an ad, then I'm really moving to Costa Rica.

[diatribe]

12. Starting a new organization wouldn't be as good as....

combining all the groups already out there.

United we stand, divided we fall. :)

[helderheid]

13. Excellent point

just wish more were brave enough to say the f word.

[KaryninMiami]

15. We can't say the F Word- Fraud frightens people away

And we need them to be interested and drawn to the story. Remember - this is a massive process. We are trying to demonstrate that the person who has been running this country for 4 years and is about to be handed another 4, did not legitimately win the election because it was fixed. Step 1 (I believe) has to be to arouse curiosity and to encourage people to consider the possibility that something went terribly wrong on Nov. 2nd, by simply stating the facts.

[s-cubed]

16. Actually, there ads are available on-line.

Any number of people have created on-line ads on various subjects: I'm sure that the right kind of non-partisan ads could be done by some of them. No, to yet another organization: but certainly must be one that is non-partisan. but we could raise money for it here, just as we do for other organizations.

But we'd get more bang for the buck by buying ads in local newspapers, all over the country, teasers to draw people in to investigating what has happened. Ads that direct them to a site which has the on-line ads, or ads for those without internet access that direct people to where to call or write for more information