Do you think all this Kerry bashing is helping or hurting us?

[politicasista]

or helping or hurting Kerry?

[Leilani]

1. I don't think it really matters.

People are very upset & mad & frustrated, & they need to vent.

That's what a discussion board is for.

Kerry lost...how can it hurt? The damage is already done.

[zapped 1]

2. it's not being reported by the msm...

..therefore, it doesn't exist, so it's not hurting kerry.
It is perhaps destroying morale and unity here,though.

[Leilani]

7. It's hard to keep up morale

when we have the next 4 bleak years ahead of us.

[LittleClarkie]

3. Venting is one thing but I hope we don't end up a bunch of lefty splinters

Apparently the coalition needs alittle... work.

[hinachan]

4. It can only help

If we all finally face the truth and then never again select a candidate who'll cave in as quickly as he did.

[LittleClarkie]

6. We'll have to agree about what the truth IS first

Put up your dukes. Put 'em up, put 'em up. I'll fight ya with one hand tied behind my back. Have at you!!!!!!!!

[Pirate Smile]

5. We still need Skinners "Discord and Acrimony" forum for some posters.

They could vent there to their hearts content and the people who dislike it could just avoid it.

[Griffy]

8. HURTING BEYOND BELIEF, freeps loveto see this... for all..

that is good and just in this world, STOP ATTACKING EACHOTHER... there is no 1 american that can solve this.. its you and me and the other millions of americans that will come to our side WHEN THEY SEE US IN THE STREET!.. they are scared... they are busy... but to see the mall covered with demonstraters will make them think.. AND listen.. So dont attack ANYONE thats fighting bush.. I dont see you out there pulling a media stunt to get attention. and you freeps.. I am so looking at who kicks up all the negative crap!

[NVMojo]

9. I think it hurts us, people always say Dems spend too much time

fighting with each other. We look like whiners too. We can't read Kerry's mind. Nor can we really say what we would do in his shoes when we don't know everything that is going on behind the scenes.

[DeepGreen]

10. Do you think you hear a repug bashing the bush?

I think Kerry give it a good shot but should have pursued the fraud.
I also believe that we should vent when we have the need. We should feel free to vent, to say what we feel, what is on our minds. That is what this country was supposed to be out.
We may not have much longer to do that.

[Old and In the Way]

11. I cannot fathom how it was even close enough to steal.

Bush is a complete embarrasment as pResident. He-

*was asleep at the wheel on 9/11 (at best). Won't investigate until forced...no one held accountable. 3000 Americans died.

* gets us into a war lying about Iraq's involvement in 9/11....we have lost 1200 Americans, 100,000 innocent Iraqis, and spent $250BB....with no end in sight.

* turned a $500BB surplus into a $500BB deficit.

* lost more jobs in one term than any other President.

And 50% of the people think he deserved a 2nd term?

This country is truly screwed.

[Griffy]

12. MASSIVE media disinfomation.. like MASSIVE fraud .. nt

[googly]

16. Bush bought votes by giving taxpayers taxcuts, pure and simple.

[malatesta1137]

13. the only reason I bash him

is to WAKE HIM UP. It's not working.

[New Earth]

14. because surely he reads DU every night.

[malatesta1137]

29. if you think DU is so insignificant

what are you doing here?

[autorank]

15. This is what happens when you run a polite, vague campaign.

Kerry had the heavy hitters: lousy war; life saving science (for 10's of millions) being held back; outsourcing; corporate fraud. But nooooo, we had a Xanax-like convention and he never really kicked ass except in the debates. Leaving $15 million on the table and losing as he did was bound to piss the meat eaters off...that's us.

I saw Mary Beth Cahill's face on some news blurb by accident and almost threw up. Thanks for nothing.

[fshrink]

17. What does he have to lose

for standing up for democracy? Besides, isn't that the job he chose? What he stepped up to do? Anyone here see a better time to do that? Or a better issue than a stolen election? The freakin' second one in a row! With so much at stake across the planet that it's not even funny. So yeah, even if it's worth only 2 lines on a morning memo on his desk, I think it's just, fair and appropriate to bash him. As a rule, the people is heard only when it yells. Something else than psalms, kool-aid mantras, calls for group hugs and the like.

[pbartch]

18. HURTING....AND I AM GETTING FED UP WITH IT.

I wish Kerry Bashers would shaddup.

[AgadorSparticus]

23. ...and be more like the republicans dammit! they NEVER bash their guy

...of course, they also never THINK either, but that's besides the point. the main thing is that they stay in lockstep. we should do the same. support kerry or else...it's the democratic way, dammit! :crazy:

[garybeck]

19. We should be thanking him, not bashing him.

Did you see the letter he sent to Blackwell yesterday???!?!?!?!

WE should be thanking him, not bashing him.

[me b zola]

20. A recurring thought...

If I were Kerry, even if I did bail (I'm not sure that he has), I would be reading these blogs. I'm sure that he would be understanding of the frustration and the need to vent.:hi: ...just in case you're reading this, hello JK.

[New Earth]

21. yes, hi JK!

a lot of people do still believe!!!! and if you ever do read DU, go see the I BELIEVE threads, we are here! :hi:

we also have a whole forum dedicated to you too :hi:

[Blue_In_AK]

22. Hurts

I think the Kerry bashing is very destructive and accomplishes nothing. He's just one man, for Christ's sake, and I'm sure he's carefully weighing what actions he should and should not take at this critical point in history. I completely believe that he has the nation's best interests at heart. We should all be supporting him AND EACH OTHER because we are not the enemy. The enemy is that pretender sitting in the White House tonight. He's the one we should be directing all our ire towards.

Peace, people.

[flordehinojos]

24. I will say something I have refrained from saying before ...

I really believed in the SWIFT BOAT VETERAN'S courage to face the enemy, dangers untold, turn the SWIFT BOAT around and rescue people from the muddied up waters that could have swallowed them up...

When KERRY CONCEDED a few short hoours after the vote counting had begun, when he has not spoken up against the DIEBOLD MACHINES and he has let BUSH crown himself the world's emperor ...

then in my heart of hearts I wonder, what was the truth about the Swift Boat Veteran and where indeed was/is his courage?

[liberalpragmatist]

26. People didn't know how to respond to the SBVT

Kerry should have taken command of the ship and ditched Shrum and Cahill.

But as for BBV - sorry, the evidence is purely speculative. It needs to be examined, but there's unfortunately no evidence that he actually won. I fully support investigations, but unless something emerges, there's no reason for Kerry to not concede and he could always unconcede if by some miracle something were found.

[liberalpragmatist]

25. I'm so sick of people complaining that Kerry betrayed them personally

Full disclosure: I have a huge amount of respect and admiration for John Kerry.

But in no way do I insist that every Democrat need to. People have a right to their own views, and if they're not a huge Kerry fan, fine. But to needlessly slander and tear him down at every opportunity is silly and completely counterproductive.

And some DU'ers need a reality-check. When candidates lose, they concede. There aren't enough votes through irregularities to flip the outcome. And while I'm not convinced there wasn't some fraud, there needs to be hard evidence to actually take action. Unfortunately, all we have so far is speculation. What did people expect JK to do? Declare that he was holding out for the unproven possibility of fraud based on mere suspicions and then go marching in the streets with Naderities demanding that Bush step down due to obvious fraud? And when over 80% of the country said Kerry was right to concede? This wasn't 2000 - 117,000 votes is not the same as 538.

And while I fully support every investigation, a full recount, and am adament about getting fully verifiable voting, people need to realize that sometimes you lose, and it's not always due to fraud or conspiracy. It annoys me to no end that so many DU'ers declare that Kerry betrayed them personally because he won't stand up and back up their unproven speculative allegations that are held by an exceedingly narrow view of Americans - an action which would destroy the Democratic Party if it were ever done.

[JohnnyCougar]

27. Hurting....for sure. n/t

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[pbartch]

30. It is not healthy

[NewsGuyOne]

31. It ain't that simple.

People are reacting to his non-action.
Kerry is hurting the recount effort by not living up to his promise to ensure that every vote is counted.
Kerry is hurting himself (both for 04 and 08), his supporters, and democracy.

[we can do it]

32. It hurts us all...........n/t

[SheepyMcSheepster]

33. well... it certainly doesn't help. eom.

[catgirl]

34. Pathetic

Really pathetic. Some of you bashers are soooo obvious. People are watching. Just one thing....Kerry is a moral, respectable, decent leader- always has been. Bush is a pathetic, idiotic and repulsive criminal. Enough said.