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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:14 AM
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The Negative MSM stories are coming...
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 02:37 AM by dzika
I see a trend for some negative press during the first of the week.

Recounds in Ohio have gone "too well" and this will generate some negative stories.

Don't let the benign titles fool you.


Negative/Neutral stories posted in the past few hours:

Sunday, December 19, 2004
Voting in America: The flaws persist (The Roanoke Times)
http://www.roanoke.com/editorials%5C15627.html

Gender gap myths and legends (Washington Times)
http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20041218-100132-6503r.htm

We must get elections right (The Herald-Star, Steubenville, Ohio)
http://www.hsconnect.com/edit/story/1219202004_edtedit121904.asp

Recount gives Bush presidential election for third time
http://www.morningjournalnews.com/news/story/1218202004_new01news17.asp



Postive Media:

Ohio Election Officials Obstruct Recount
December 17, 2004
http://www.gp.org/press/pr_2004_12_17.html

-snip-
Reports from throughout Ohio present a clear and disturbing pattern
of state and local election officials obstructing the recount of
Ohio’s 2004 presidential vote, according to the Green Party’s
presidential campaign which initiated the recount and is monitoring
the process.

“Ohio election officials are violating both the spirit and the
letter of the law governing the recount,” said Cobb-LaMarche Media
Director Blair Bobier.

In two counties, Monroe and Fairfield, election officials have
refused to do a full hand recount, as required, when hand and
machine tallies don’t match. They have instead opted to get new
machines to count the votes


Middletown Journal
http://www.middletownjournal.com/opin/content/news/stories/2004/12/19/mj1219myview.html
My View column for Dec. 19, 2004

What’s the fuss in recounting the votes? In 2000 and now 2004, why
is it morally wrong to have integrity in the voting process in
America?

A move is taking place in Congress to give every American the
constitutional right to vote. Today, we have a state’s right to vote
which provides 50 separate and unequal laws and rules relative to
voting governed by 50 secretaries of state.

In this post-election season, the voters are seeking three basic
actions to dispel any notion of an unfair election: first, the
recount; secondly, an investigation of improprieties; and thirdly,
the reclusions of Ken Blackwell from the process. All are in the
name of integrity in our electoral process.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:21 AM
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1. I would avoid to mention some MSM outlets...
Like the "Washington Times"

You may not be aware of this but that "paper" is mandatory reading in the right wing circles.

Nothing very significant comes there.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:36 AM
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2. They do seem on the other side all of the time...
I was just using them to illustrate a point.

Not a lot good news has come out of Ohio this weekend. It looks like BOE officials are finding every possible way to make the 3% comparison between the hand counts and machine counts match.

Some counties have go so far as to suspend recounts until new tabulators can be supplied by the vendor. Even when counts don't match it seems that BOE and Blackwell are finding other ways to get around the full hand recount.

This part of the story will be buried by the media and they will be singing... "Everything is fine with the recounts in Ohio".

I could post many more examples of negative media through today. These are just the ones in the last 2 hours.

I could be wrong but it seems like it is already starting.

Keep this in mind... bad media can work for us too. Especially, if the MSM gets into the mix.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:44 AM
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3. Not to worry...it's Phase III, after all
I. They ignore you
II. They laugh at you
III. They fight you
IV. You win
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:50 AM
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4. No No No reset the framing, Attack back with quick facts
These recounts were started only to find out that the machines were illegally calibrated; with prior knowledge of the random county that would be hand counted.

We have # of reported instances of triad gsi technicians making surprise visits to county offices to "check" on the staff and the counting machines in the days prior to the recount. During these visits the machines were torn down and parts were replaced, each machine was "calibrated" by the technician (information was inputted into the machines, and settings information was forwarded to the technician over the telephone, and the technician asked the county personnel for the 3% random precinct which would be counted while working in the machines.

If that were not enough the technician informed staff on how to utilize a "cheat sheet", and how to make it look like "employee information" as so it would not raise suspicion. The technician’s stated reason was so that the personnel would avoid having to do a full hand count. Now what the fuck is that about?

One of the technicians stated reasons for visiting in one county was to answer any legal questions and go over what the lawyers may ask. The technician did not on arrival or for the duration of the visit speak to any potential legal issues. The only advice he did state was to be sure that the counties own legal council was present during the recount.

The machines that the technicians took apart (against voting regulations) are task to centrally combine the precinct data. Since it combines little quantities of data from sometimes thousands of precincts, variance and altered records would be hard to detect. This is why they are an ideal point to hack if you intended to manipulate the vote.

There are sworn affidavits attesting to these facts stated above.

The other side, no one will go on record, no one wants to ensure the count totals, and it seems that the company who designed the central tabulators, maintains them, updates them, reprograms them before a recount, and just so happens to be again another electronic voting company with ties to prominent republicans.

This is disgraceful! This is un-American!
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:57 AM
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5. Check out the Article in this thread..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x177566

There seems to be a lot of really weird reports coming out of Ohio and the media is just ignoring it.

At least, they are ignoring the most important facts about the recounts... Blackwell and BOE officials have done everything possible to avoid hand recounts. I believe that laws are being broken here.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:21 AM
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6. I assisted in the Allen County Recount
They are only counting the precincts they have choosen rather then a random sample, they have it all figured out in the counties of Ohio, they are sand bagging us all with the set ups that they are controlling. I helped in the recount of Ohio and they only let us look at the precincts that they choose to let us research, they did not do a random selection as they were suppose to, nor did they let us look at the polling books, absentees and provisional ballots which would have helped us with verifing totals recorded by the counties. The Director where I assisted told us in fact that he did not want to use to many machines in the recount and wanted the closes precincts that would total to the 3% needed for the recount. This was a little fishy but along with this the poll workers who were helping in the recount effort did not seem to know how to take care of any problems concerning the scanners. After working the polls on election day you would think that they would be more then a little effienct with the machines but they were not. In fact, they complained about having to even do the recount and acted like it was a total waste of time and effort not that this was a Democracy at work. In fact they were upset to the point that they kept asking if this was the last time they would have to do any recounting since it was such a waste of time and effort, a very negative additude towards a recount for sure. The Deputy Director had to keep coming over to fix the machines for them, now how would this work during election day ??

The Director and Board also told us that if the voter did not vote in two federal electons sequencely that the voter would be dropped off of the registion list. This I found to be very disheartening but along with this issue I also saw overvotes where a voter had mark a candidate but then also wrote in the same candidate but this vote was not counted even though it was obvious to all who they were voting for, it was Bush, boo, but still it was an uncounted vote. We were told that there were not many of these kinds of votes and not to worry about them anyway, I was upset at the casual way these votes were dismissed by this board. I told them perhaps I was a little extreme but if a vote was obvious why not count it, and they had no answer for me but because the machine could not read it, how many other obvious votes were not counted because a machine could not count it ?? How many voters could not vote though they had not moved because they did not vote in the last two federal elections ?? Are these not examples of voter disenfranhisement ?? After my experiences these last few weeks, I am aware I do not live in a Democracy but a dictatorship of the many officials who run these elections for us right up to the top of the Republican party because they make up the rules. Are we going to allow this to continue and put flowers on the bed of Democracy's grave or fight to bring her up from the dead ??? I hope it is as obvious to you as it has become to me that our elections are manipulated by these self serving individuals.

Finally, I had forgotten my purse and I had to drive back to get it. When I went into the
Room where we had done all the counting of the ballets it all looked like it did when I left with one new piece. The tapes from the scanner were sitting on the top of the table under which my purse laid. I looked around and there were no election officials to be seen. I could have picked them both up and walked right out of the room with them. Just how secure is that for you, election tape for recount out in the open for all to obtain, hmmmmm. Oh well as they would say, just another day in the neighbor.

I am one deeply concerned American Citizen.
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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:48 AM
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7. The overwhelming stench of a fix seems to be coming from Ohio.
When do you think Blackwell will cease his unAmerican activities?
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lbr Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 07:16 AM
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8. Tyranny protects its power by controlling the means of its demise
It’s been happening since the beginning of civilization…Don’t feel bad. You’re in good company, Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton and Franklin all got a bit sweaty under the powdered wig about this sort of thing too. History repeats itself, and in 2004 we find ourselves re-fighting our revolution all over again against another King “George”. lbr


"No experiment can be more interesting than that we are now
trying, and which we trust will end in establishing the fact, that
man may be governed by reason and truth. Our first object should
therefore be, to leave open to him all the avenues to truth. The
most effectual hitherto found, is the freedom of the press. It is,
therefore, the first shut up by those who fear the investigation of
their actions." --Thomas Jefferson


The "Royal Gazette" “Our first Fox News”.

James Rivington began his newspaper in 1773, under the rather formidable title of Rivington's New York Gazette. The imprint read as follows: "Printed at his ever open and uninfluenced press, Hanover Square." Rivington was the American colony’s printer to the king during the Revolutionary War. The title of the paper originally contained the cut of large ship under full sail. In 1774 the ship sailed out of sight, and the King's Arms appeared in its place; and in 1775 the words "ever open and uninfluenced" were withdrawn from the imprint. These symptoms were greatly disliked by the patriots of the country; and in November, 1773, a party of armed men from Connecticut entered the city on horseback, attacked his dwelling, broke into his printing office, destroyed his presses, and carrying away his type, melted it and cast it into bullets.


Also see how Alien & Sedition Acts of 1798 parallel the USA Patriot Act at


http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/04.03D.JVB.Patriot.htm


The Sedition Act was unconstitutional. ... The First Amendment was intended to supersede the common-law on speech and press. Freedom guaranteed by the amendment was absolute as far as the federal government was concerned because it could not be abridged by any United States Authority. James Madison, 1798


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