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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:55 AM
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Sunday 12-19 documentation for today's events
In order to organize and document I thought it would be a good idea to have a daily thread to place items related to the recounts/fraud.

Please help me. If you see something that isn't here post it with a link to the thread and a thanks to the author.

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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:56 AM
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1. Yesterday's thread
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:58 AM
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2. In May of 2004, Wendy Orange resigned from ES&S....
"In her letter of resignation, Orange said she found the corporate philosophy at ES&S to embody unethical and disreputable practices. She said she had "personally witnessed open discussions of potentially illegal procedures."

"I have since learned that the standards to which I hold myself, I don't believe ES&S holds those same standards and values,” said Orange.

Orange calls all of this extremely disappointing, considering her admiration for ES&S when she joined the Nebraska company. "I was impressed with the people that I met, and with the products that they provided and with the services they provided,” said Orange.

Her resignation became effective Monday. "I hope my concerns were heard all the way at the top. I really do and I hope that's where the change will start,” she said."

~http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1857668


"Her husband, Doug Orange, used to work for ES&S as Johnson County's project manager. He was fired after refusing a superior's order to zero the counters on voting machines at the courthouse instead of the polls. “I felt those procedures were illegal,” said Orange.

Johnson County Clerk Jill Jackson believes Doug Orange did the right thing. “There's a lot of integrity there, that he put his job on the line because he was not willing to do something that he felt was illegal,” said Jackson.

Doris Anne Sadler believes Wendy Orange did the right thing too. “The software in question is called data acquisition manager and is used to compile the votes,” said Sadler.

The illegal software could still be seen in the computer when the I-Team tested the system in January. Wendy Orange showed us how she takes the individual results from each card and accumulate them into one place to give overall totals for each race."

~http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1806520


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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:00 AM
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3. We've Been Had
Believe it or not, here's a conservative Republican speaking out against all the blatant fraud in the 2000, 2002, and 2004 elections:

http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/bushwon.htm

This is a good one to share with any Republican or at least conservative family members you may have.

It's gonna be an intense state-by-state reformist fight to end this fraud wave if we can do it at all. We absolutely need to enlist the help of fair-minded conservatives like this if we are to have any hope restoring fair elections to many states by 2006.


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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:04 AM
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4. Coshocton Co. Results: Kerry to Gain 40,000+ in Ohio Hand Recount
This was posted very early this morning.

FROM: The Nashua Advocate

Saturday, December 18, 2004
Case Study in Finding New Votes: Coshocton County Results Again Suggest Kerry Would Gain 40,000+ Votes in Statewide Hand Recount
By ADVOCATE STAFF

-snip-
In attempting to analyze how Democratic presidential candidate John
F. Kerry and Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush would
fare in a statewide manual recount in Ohio, what more can one do
than look at one of the only counties in the state, if not the only
county, to do a countywide manual recount? It's a start, at least.

-snip-
So, Kerry's "gain rate" in such a hypothetical, "state-averaged"
county (assuming Coshocton County as a valid control) would
be .0290, and Bush's .0213. Applying these rates to the total votes
cast in Ohio -- in fact, applying these rates less advantageously to
Kerry than should be the case, because the total votes cast and
counted on election day itself should really be used to generate a
gain rate, rather than the (much higher) certified totals -- would
give Kerry 163,133 new votes in a statewide manual recount, and Bush
119,818 votes, a windfall of 43,315 net votes for Kerry.

Incredibly, this estimate, devised using Coshocton County as a
starting point, is almost identical to the estimate acquired by The
Advocate -- 42,320 -- when these same types of calculations were
made using the Associated Press's 74%-of-ballots (mixed hand- and
machine-) recount numbers. Indeed, the two estimates differ by less
than 1,000 votes.

http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/2004/12/news-election-2004-case-study-in.html
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:06 AM
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5. Sunday, 1pm EST, Clinton Curtis, live Q&A, on Mark Levine...
....Radio Inside Scoop program "Florida's Rigged Election?"

Link for callin info and online streaming info:

http://radioinsidescoop.com/mt-posts-archive/000266.htm...

I was asked, by someone who has been working closely with Mr Curtis, to post this notice on DU. Will try to keep it 'kicked' through the evening and Sunday morning.

Peace.

"I'm an American patriot, not a pro-fraud theocrat"

Please consider visiting this DU link and copy/paste/sign/fax the letter or one of your own to your 109th US Congress representatives (HR and Senate). Suggest you fax to their respective State offices rather than only to their DC office:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:07 AM
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6. Coshocton Co. Recount Uncovers "Remarkable and Mysterious Disaster "
FROM: The Nashua Advocate

Saturday, December 18, 2004

Green Party Analysis of Coshocton County Recount Uncovers Remarkable -- and Mysterious -- Disaster

By ADVOCATE STAFF

-snip-
According to a Green Party press release published December 18th,
2004, the Party appears to have no idea whatsoever how many recounts
Coshocton County has conducted and when, which vote tallies were
produced and when, and whether, in general, hundreds of "new" votes
were "reinserted into the tabulations" after the general election or
after, even, Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell's December
6th, 2004 certification of the statewide vote.

-snip-
The assumption of the Green Party appears to be that additional
ballot inspections were conducted by Coshocton County after the
election
, and that these inspections may or may not have constituted
manual "recounts" of the ballots. The notion that Secretary
Blackwell certified the "wrong" numbers is undercut by the fact that
the Secretary certified precisely those post-provisional numbers
released by the county itself on November 19th, 2004. What this
means, then, is that in the seventeen days between November 19th,
2004, and December 6th, 2004 -- when Ohio's statewide vote was
certified -- Coshocton County "found" 1,089 new ballots (ballots in
which Kerry fared substantially better than he had on election day)

which it then failed to report to Secretary Blackwell.

Link:
http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/2004/12/news-election-2004-green-party_18.html
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:12 AM
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7. Strong evidence/doc. Kerry won New Mexico-Make sure Recount Happens
See the current New Mexico optical scan thread and the current touchscreen thread; and the following which has lots of evidence and documentation.
http://www.helpamericarecount.org/NewMexicoData/NewMexi...

MAKE SURE THE NEW MEXICO RECOUNT HAPPENS

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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:14 AM
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8. Hollywood in Ohio?
FROM: Vote Fruad Info Blog

Sunday, December 19, 2004
Hollywood in Ohio?

Read through this eyewitness account. It's amazing how much
stonewalling is coming from both sides. Take into the account the
smear campaigns that are being pushed forward, you wonder who starts
these as they are all variations on a theme. It should be no
surprise that when the truth starts to peak it's head out...anyone
with something to lose, will start the finger pointing.

Eyes closed tight.

From Kathleen:

Just wanted to report to you all about my day at the Cuyahoga County
Recount. Since I told the Cuyahoga Coordinator of Elections, Jackie
Maiden, I would like to film the recount, I was told I would be
relegated to the "media" section of the room. However, since I
didn't have "official" media credentials, I was not allowed to walk
around the room, while the recount was taking place. No problem,
because the people who were there to observe the recount came to me
and asked me who I was representing. After I told them I was there
on behalf of Black Box Voting, they were more than willing to share
their recount experiences with me. It was gratifying to see that
they were very appreciative and somewhat relieved to hear that BBV
was covering the event AND getting it on film. They wanted to know
that someone would make sure what happened here today would reach
beyond Cuyahoga County, since the main stream media wasn't covering
it.

Read More:
http://votefraudinfo.blogspot.com/2004/12/hollywood-in-ohio.html
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:26 AM
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9. presidential election controversy on Blackwell
FROM: Toledo Blade

Article published Sunday, December 19, 2004

Eye on the governor's office
Opponents want to pin presidential election controversy on Blackwell

By JAMES DREW
BLADE COLUMBUS BUREAU CHIEF

-snip
COLUMBUS — Democrat Wesley Thompson said he will never forget what
Republican Ken Blackwell did this year.

Instead of serving as Ohio’s chief elections officer, Mr. Blackwell
was a “political operative”
for President Bush’s re-election
campaign, charged Mr. Thompson, who lives in the Columbus suburb of
Westerville.

So as Mr. Blackwell, who is in his second term as secretary of
state, seeks the GOP nomination for governor in 2006, Mr. Thompson
and others say they will speak out. And if Mr. Blackwell wins the
GOP primary, Mr. Thompson said he and like-minded people will work
for his Democratic opponent to defeat him.

I’ve never seen anyone less qualified for public office,”
said Mr. Thompson.


LINK:
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041219/NEWS24/412190419
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:52 AM
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10. Note from Katrina in Greene County, Ohio - 12PM ET
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 11:53 AM by dzika
She sent this in an email a few minutes. She said that she dictated these details over the phone to attorneys.

First email:
I wonder if this person is also knowing Xenia Police Officer Matthew
R. Foubert, who stated to me on Tuesday, December 14th @
approximately 9:45pm that the you "illiterate vigilantes" are "too
stupid" to realize that the "recount was certified earlier today."
Further stating, "Get the f--- over it, Bush won." Then threatening
to arrest myself and two others that had been watching the Greene
County BOE. There were several police, sheriff, and one ranger
present surrounding me after I pulled up to argue for a volunteer
who they had surrounded with their cars and had shaken with fear.
The ranger went on to state, standing to my right and at this time I
do not have his name present, that "you're lucky your volunteer did
not get shot in the head last night for approaching me."
The
volunteer saw this ranger come from an area of suspicion and also he
was plain clothed and carrying a large bag. He also would not state
right off that he was a ranger off duty. The ranger continued,"if
that volunteer approaches me again like that I will shoot him in the
head."


Is this true? DEFINITELY! Will they say they didn't say most of it?
I'm guessing that is highly likely. Would I be saying it if it
wasn't true? Absolutely not! Why? Because 1) I risk further
harassment and so do the volunteers that are from Greene County that
have their information in the hands of those officers, as to where
they live, their license plate numbers, etc. Volunteers that since
they live there can not go home to another county. 2) It's my word
against all those officials since they had us separated and I risk
them trying to sue me for any attempt to put bad to their names, and
3) whatever else they determine they can come up. So no I would not
add in ANY words I am not completely sure of and not remembering to
a T! This happened and this is a fact!

Katrina


Second Email
The information that I just forwarded to you was dictated with some
other information over the phone last night to attorneys. I should
be signing an affidavit either today or tomorrow as to that. Once
that is done and vetted it may be able to go to press. However I
think they will try to keep it out of media until the hearings. I'm
not sure if you will be able to get ahold of that video tape. I,
myself have requested it and still unable to get a copy. Possibly
contact Link Tv, Terry Taylor. I heard that all these tapes are
going to her. She's in Columbus. I left a message on her voice mail
yesterday, but haven't got a call back. Generally once they get the
info they don''t want to give it up. Reason being is they are paid
reporters and like to be on top of the news with coming out with
these things. So I don't know how much luck you will have.




You can read some history about this situation in the following thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x172886

EDIT: emphasis
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:22 PM
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11. Rep. Conyers asks for FBI investigation into Ohio recount
FROM: bellaciao.org

Sunday 19th December 2004 (17h30) :
Election Tampering is a Federal Crime- Rep. Conyers asks for FBI investigation into Ohio recount

-snip-
A Detroit congressman asked the FBI on Wednesday to investigate an
Ohio election worker’s concern that presidential election results
could have been altered when a software company employee worked on
machines before a ballot recount.

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4821

This looks like old news but this release is dated today so I posted it.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:40 PM
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12. If Ukrainians Can Demonstrate...So Can We


Sunday 19th December 2004 (17h52) :

If Ukrainians Can Demonstrate in the Streets Over a Stolen Election, So Can We
by Rob Kall

http://baltimorechronicle.com/121704Kall.shtml

-snip-
Doesn’t our country deserve the same protest, the same raising of
voices that the people of the Ukraine felt their country deserved?

I’ve been feeling a bit of a disappointed malaise and dejection the
last few days as the realization that the theft of the election is
going pretty much unprotested has sunken in, that the 55 million
Americans who voted for Kerry don’t have whatever it is that the
Ukrainians do have to go out on he streets and demonstrate. (Of
course it could also be all that tryptophan from left over turkey
meals.--No. It’s the election, not the tryptophan.) I’m pretty
disgusted with how things stand right now and I’m not ready to go
silently into the night-the dark time that a Bush second term
promises.

LINK:
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4823

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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 01:11 PM
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13. Tightest security in history planned for inauguration
FROM: SFGATE.com


Tightest security in history planned for Bush's second inauguration
CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer

Sunday, December 19, 2004

(12-19) 09:24 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

President Bush will be sworn in next month for a second term amid
the tightest security in inaugural history, with police planning to
search every one of the tens of thousands of people expected to line
the parade route.

Behind the scenes, thousands of specialized law enforcement and
military personnel will stand ready to respond to any emergency.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/12/19/national1224EST0465.DTL
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:42 PM
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14. Negative - Cokie Roberts Blames Michael Moore
From: Newsmax.com (assholes)

Sunday, Dec. 19, 2004 12:14 p.m. EST
Cokie Roberts Blames Michael Moore

-snip-
Former "This Week" host and National Public Radio veteran Cokie
Roberts blamed conspiracy filmmaker Michael Moore on Sunday for
causing Sen. John Kerry to lose the presidential election.

"I think Michael Moore actually had a very major impact - a negative
impact - on the Democratic Party," Roberts told NBC's "Chris
Matthews Show."

"I think he exemplified all of the things that people hate about
Democrats. And the fact that he was - it was a hate-America-first
campaign and that hurts the Democrats every time."

Adding insult to injury, Roberts also contended that
Moore's "physical appearance did not help."


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/12/19/121632.shtml
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:29 PM
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29. Maybe Cokie will light a fire under Moore's @ss, he needs it.
I predict his next film will be a flop. He's now part of the in crowd.

Thanks MelissaB and dzika for all the hard work. This thread is hopeful in spite of all the thuggery. At least people are on the case. Especially hope that Larouche is telling the truth about Clinton and Kerry being on it.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:00 PM
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15. Edwards fought tooth and nail against Kerry concession.
This is what Mark Crispin Miller said on the Laura Flanders Show this evening.
On same show, editor of paper in Georgia said that if Kerry had not conceded, andkept up the fight, or had added his name and Democratic money to the fraud story, many more mainstream papers would be covering it.

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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:06 PM
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16. Michael Moore Dismisses Vote Fraud Allegations
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but...

From Rolling Stone, http://www.rollingstone.com/poymoore

Do you give any credence to these Internet conspiracy theories about the voting machines in Ohio?

Nah. And I don't have a double standard here. I've stressed since 2000 that Gore won the popular vote. Now, even if Kerry won Ohio, clearly more people across the country wanted Bush than Kerry. So there you go. Deal with it.

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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:23 PM
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17. Officer who threatened Katrina has history of violently arresting women...
From an earlier thread...

I wonder if this person is also knowing Xenia Police Officer Matthew R. Foubert, who stated to me on Tuesday, December 14th @ approximately 9:45pm that the you "illiterate vigilantes" are "too stupid" to realize that the "recount was certified earlier today." Further stating, "Get the f--- over it, Bush won." Then threatening to arrest myself and two others that had been watching the Greene County BOE. There were several police, sheriff, and one ranger present surrounding me after I pulled up to argue for a volunteer who they had surrounded with their cars and had shaken with fear. The ranger went on to state, standing to my right and at this time I do not have his name present, that "you're lucky your volunteer did not get shot in the head last night for approaching me." The volunteer saw this ranger come from an area of suspicion and also he was plain clothed and carrying a large bag. He also would not state right off that he was a ranger off duty. The ranger continued,"if that volunteer approaches me again like that I will shoot him in the head."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

And here's from a SCOTUS case...
...

In a second similar case, justices ordered a lower court to reconsider whether officers can be sued when they tackle someone and knock the person to the ground during an arrest.

At issue is the claim of an officer in Xenia, Ohio, that he should be shielded from a lawsuit over his handling of the arrest of a woman.

Police went to the home of Cheryl Lyons in 1998 to investigate an allegation that Lyons' teenage daughter had assaulted someone. The woman claimed that she did not invite officers into her house and argued with one of them.

Another officer, summoned to assist, ran into the house and threw Lyons to the ground in a football-like tackle, she claimed in a lawsuit. Justices threw out a decision by the Cincinnati-based 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that a jury should be allowed to consider if Officer Matthew Foubert went too far.

The case is Foubert v. Lyons, 03-1622


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/203665_policechases...


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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 04:37 PM
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18. I'm sick and tired of Democrats who shy from the "F" word
UNless they DON"T want certain Democrats to vote...
In Orlando this summer, armed state police officers questioned elderly Black voters in their homes as part of an investigation of "voting irregularities" in the city's 2003 mayoral election. Many were members of the Orlando League of Voters, which has been successful in mobilizing the city's Black vote;
In South Dakota's June 2004 primary, Native American voters were prevented from voting when they could not present photo identification cards, even though South Dakota law does not require them; In Texas this year, a local district attorney threatened to prosecute students at a large, predominately Black college if they registered to vote in the county, although the law entitles them to do so and in Florida, the secretary of state, a Republican, secretly prepared a list of alleged felons to purge from the voter rolls. The list included a number of qualified Black voters, most of whom vote for Democrats-http://www.sacobserver.com/government/commentary/103104... ---

Friday, Oct. 29, 2004
In less than one week, the 2004 presidential election will take place... we could have a replay of the uncertainty that engulfed the 2000 election.... snippet < > execrable, election-related practice merits our attention... racially-based vote suppression, the most recent practitioners of which have been Republicans.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20041029.html
And it all came true... so much for our "great" democracy.
Word on the street: Good luck next time without us.


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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:47 PM
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19. Electors across US to use electoral college to protest election violations
Sunday, December 19, 2004

Electors across US break traditional pro forma ritual to use electoral college to protest election violations


Truth in Elections*
49 Francesca Ave.,
Somerville, MA 02144
617-625-3166
*In conjunction with United Progressives for Democracy
and Massachusetts Coalition Against Election Fraud

For immediate release

Across the US electors in at least five states, for the first time
in history
, turned the heavily scripted and ritualized electoral
college proceedings into a forum for political action. Frustrated by
the relative inattention to wide spread real voting violations now
numbering in the tens of thousands, Electors called for
congressional investigation and legislative action.

Vermont electors, on the record and in front of TV cameras and a
number of statewide media outlets, expressed their concerns for our
democracy with “57,000 complaints already received by the
Congressional Judiciary Committee, we call on Congress and
especially our Vermont Congressional delegation to investigate.”
They enumerated credible violations affecting hundreds of thousands
of voters across the US, Elector Jeffrey Taylor reports.

As described in local news reports, for the first time in history,
Electors in Maine also went on the record using the voting process
to “call for national voting reforms.” Their statement pointed to
the kind of electoral reforms Maine has that lead to more genuine
elections, such as same day registration, allowing ex-felons to
vote, and clean election reforms "but our four electoral votes are
held meaningless if our sister states cannot hold elections that are
fair, accurate and verifiable," Elector Lu Bauer said after the
brief ceremony at the State House.

Most extraordinarily, one elector in California cast his ballot
provisional upon “all votes being counted
– provisional, absentee,
under- and overvotes, computerized without paper ballots, even
getting valid votes from those turned away illegally, intimidated,
discouraged by incredibly long waits, etc.” This incredible act as a
creative attempt to get this message read on the floor of Congress
when they open the ballots on January 6 to consider whether to
certify the vote.

“Never has such a vote been cast by an elector and without a
parliamentarian to rule it in or out at the electoral college level
,
we await whether Congress will acknowledge this type of provisional
vote and address the issues this elector sought to raise or whether
they too will ignore provisional votes,” said Grace Ross, an
organizer of the national effort to support electors to take action
and a member of Truth in Elections.

Even in North Carolina where lack of “swing state” status left local
voting violations relatively invisible, Democratic Electors and
local activists spoke out
about local problems while Republican
Electors voted inside. Elector Mary Roe spoke of problems she
herself witness as an election observer in her own county as well as
saying that “everyone deserves to have their votes counted” while
deploring the 4,500 votes NC election officials acknowledged
disappeared in a computerized voting machine crash.

Link:
http://minorjive.typepad.com/hungryblues/2004/12/electors_across.html

Sorry for the long post but I am proud that my efforts with the electors in NC made it into the press release!!!


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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 06:02 PM
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20. ReDefeat Bush's January 6th Counter-Inaugural Event
http://www.redefeatbush.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa...

Heard about it today on Mark Levine's show. Also, on their main page they ask for us to contact our senators and representatives--there are some clickable action items there as well.

{snip}

"Citizens from across the country will be coming to a vigil and rally starting at 10:00 AM in Upper Senate Park (adjacent to the U.S. Capitol) on January 6th to demonstrate our support for our leaders inside. We want an honest and transparent vote for president, but if we can't have that then we want to see Congress reject electoral votes sent from OH, FL, NC, IN and any other states in which massive fraud and vote suppression inflated George W. Bush's totals and diminished John Kerry's.

If you want our mobilization on January 6th to succeed, here are the top dozen things you can do:"


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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 06:07 PM
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21. What Counts in Ohio Recount
FROM: The Christian Science Monitor


Commentary > The Monitor's View
from the December 20, 2004 edition

What Counts in Ohio Recount

-snip-
President Bush was officially reelected to a second term on Dec. 13
by the Electoral College with a 286 to 252 victory. That might have
dampened a continuing low-level buzz about the legitimacy of the
Nov. 2 popular vote count, which Mr. Bush won by some 3.5 million
votes.

That doesn't mean individual Democrats aren't crying foul. The Rev.
Jesse Jackson, for instance, has implied that some of Ohio's new
electronic voting machines were set to record votes for Bush by the
company that manufactured them because the firm's president
supported Bush.

That charge may be a bit extreme, but it's worth watching the more
credible challenges and recount as a useful exercise to help all
states further improve their election machinery. Reconfirming Bush's
victory will also help many disaffected Democrats move beyond
faulting their loss on the voting system, and allow the party to get
on with repairing itself.


Link:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1220/p08s02-comv.html
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:24 PM
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22. The SeattleTimes posted list of names of voters whose ballots were denied
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:25 PM
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23. NEW VOLUNTEER SCIENTIFIC PROJECT FOR DETECTION OF VOTE COUNTING ERRORS
Kathy Dopp <kathy@directell.com > wrote:

--------------------------------------------------
In recent years the integrity and accuracy of the voting process in America have been a continuing source of controversy. The integrity of the election process is the cornerstone of democracy; and open investigation of alleged vote counting irregularities is a matter of vital civic importance.

In order to objectively investigate the accuracy of elections in America, a group of independent mathematicians, statisticians and computer professionals have formed a new, volunteer scientific research project: US Count Votes. We have just Launched our new web site at http://USCountVotes.org We propose to create and analyze - for the first time - a single database containing precinct-level election results for the entire United States. This rich mine of data will be analyzed by our project's affiliated mathematicians, computer programmers, pollsters and statisticians, as well as by independent peer-reviewers. Our goal is to use this data to develop and test mathematical techniques to reliably detect precinct-level vote counting errors worthy of investigation.

What you can do:
If you agree with us that restoring public trust in the voting process is a worthwhile goal, consider joining our group of sustainers, who are willing to donate $10 per month to help underwrite our expenses.

http://www.uscountvotes.org/index.php?option=com_conten...

As a newly-formed non-profit we are currently seeking 501c(3) tax-exempt status, and will adhere to the highest standards of fiscal responsibility - including conducting and publicly publishing the results of independent financial audits, on a quarterly basis. Please consider helping with this vital civic project.

Thanks to the 40 persons from many states across America who have already contributed a total of $2,000, USCountVotes has made excellent progress designing a public archival system and database, purchased and set up a 150 GB database server, and set up the content management system for our web site http://uscountvotes.org Our database design will handle redistricting and presidential to city-wide races.

We rely on volunteers in every state to gather the data we need. USCountVotes has created an email list for each state’s volunteers. If you are already helping investigate a particular state and would like to connect with others who would like to investigate the same state, please visit our state email list sign up page.

http://www.uscountvotes.org/index.php?option=com_conten...
If you can donate $10/month or any one-time amount, and you give us your name and address, we will add your name to our public contributors page:
http://www.uscountvotes.org/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://www.uscountvotes.org/index.php?option=com_conten...

We are close to having the election document archival system up and running, but we need support to get it done quickly. USCountVotes needs $4,000+/month to hire a talented technical person full-time so that we can make timely progress on the archival, database, database programming, and statistical contentmanagement systems. If half of the people receiving this email were to become sustaining members, that would do it. Restoring democratic elections for your children and their children to enjoy is worth $10/month.

What is the problem with voting in America?

More than 27,000 anecdotal reports of irregularities in the 2004 election were submitted to the independent "Election Incident Reporting System". A pattern of discrepancies between exit poll results and final tallies in several key states is still regarded with suspicion by many observers. The General Accounting Office plans to launch an investigation into the security and accuracy of voting technologies, distribution and allocation of voting machines, and counting of provisional ballots.

It is currently extraordinarily difficult and time-consuming to reliably detect where errors may have occurred - and precisely where a recount should be performed. Concerns about potential problems with un-auditable electronic voting machines are widespread in the computer science community. In a recent survey of US members of the ACM – the world's oldest and largest computer society - 95% of respondents opposed deployment of un-auditable voting machines.

What do we propose to do about it?

Our goal is to develop reliable mathematical indicators of all probable vote count error incidents, regardless of the parties involved. We will publish our data and analyses, and will provide public archives to allow anyone to perform and replicate our work. We encourage robust scientific debate and criticism, and some of our early critics have since agreed to participate in our peer review process.

If the analyses of the 2004 election can be completed and the database and analytic tools can be put in place by the national election in November 2006, for the first time ever, it could be possible for candidates to be reliably warned of indications of machine or human-caused vote count errors, in time to challenge the results. With a sound scientific approach and methodology, it may be possible for our project staff to serve as expert witnesses, or to help develop statistical evidence in support of legal filings. Please visit http://www.uscountvotes.org for additional information, and consider contributing to our project.

http://www.uscountvotes.org/index.php?option=com_conten...

Whether you can donate or not, you can help: Sign up now on any state’s individual email list to begin collaborating w/ other people who are working to gather election data or investigate the elections in any state.

http://www.uscountvotes.org/index.php?option=com_conten...

Please ask your friends to join us election-subscribe@uscountvotes.org Thank you very much. With your help, we will win our battle to restore the public faith in democratic elections by 2006.

Sincerely,
Kathy Dopp, Park City, UT, President, USCountVotes
Bruce O’Dell, Minneapolis, MN, VP, USCountVotes
Jim Druffner, Park City, UT, Treasurer, USCountVotes


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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:30 PM
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24. Pattern of vote machine fraud documented in Ohio, New Mexico,Florida
One pattern that has been developed based on the experience of voters in Florida, New Mexico, Ohio, and elsewhere(especially swing states) is the the machines appear to have been set with a default to Bush. Then if a voter successfully punched the ballot for another candidate, Bush was replaced by that candidate. But it appears that in many cases the voter did not successfully accomplish this and in some cases it was hard or impossible to get the other candidate to register. This was a major problem in Mahoning and Fairfield counties in Ohio, and possibly Mercer, but also occurred in many counties and several states(including Florida). They had to replace some of the machines in counties like Mahoning after repeated attempts by techs to "recalibrate" the machines after widespread reports of problems. This also happened in Florida and New Mexico. But this means that Bush would get not only the votes of those who didn't notice that the punched candidate didn't register but any intentional non votes or accidental non votes or unsuccessfully completed votes. Quite an advantage. As much as 2 to 4% in some areas and even more perhaps in some minority areas. This also has been demonstrated to have affected U.S. Senate races. See the EIRS case reports. I've posted some before and they are among the documentation on the threads.

The systematic voter suppression in New Mexico of minorities was even more flagrant than Ohio and Florida.
http://www.helpamericarecount.org/NewMexicoData/NewMexi...
Here are DU threads that include the documentation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

(make sure the recount happens in New Mexico; the case there is clear and well documented and that case sets the pattern for the other states with similar patterns)


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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:49 PM
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25. MUST READ: An Interview with Lyndon Larouche
LAROUCHE ON OHIO RADIO DEC. 16:

http://www.larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2004/larpac/041216ohi...

Lyndon LaRouche was interviewed on Dec. 16, by "Front Street" hosts Charles Traylor, Wendy Huntley, and Bob Fitrakis on Columbus, Ohio station WVKO 1580AM/103.1FM.

snip

BOB FITRAKIS: Mr. LaRouche, is there a tie-in between what now they're acknowledging in Franklin County here—that is, massive voter suppression of poor people, African-Americans; you know, the shorting of machines—a deliberate attack upon the voting rights of poor and minority people in Franklin County, and what now appears to be an economic attack on people's Social Security?

LAROUCHE: Well, the point is, if you were going to do this—or try to do it, that is, to bring the Pinochet Plan, which is, of course now failing in Chile after the 20-odd years it's been in effect, it would fail here. But, the point was, if you wanted to do this and some other things, you had to have a Bush re-election. Without a Bush re-election, there wouldn't be a chance, at all, of pushing this thing through.

Now, the entire financial system is collapsing. We're on the verge of a collapse, any time now, for a major financial blow-out of the U.S. and the international markets. At this point, they're counting on looting Social Security, or having a proof that they can loot Social Security, as a way of putting more capital into a depressed U.S. financial market, to try to bail out the gambling side of the financial-market system.

Now, George Shultz and company, of course, who was one of the original authors of the Pinochet operation down there, is also behind the Bush campaign. And he typifies these big interests, which are behind both.

They had to commit a fraud to get elected.

FITRAKIS: So, you're not buying the—. We've just submitted expert testimony from a University of Illinois Chicago statistician, saying, the odds that these exit polls in Florida, Pennsylvania, and Ohio were wrong, are in the order of 155 million to 1.

LAROUCHE: Yeah, sure!

FITRAKIS: That doesn't surprise you.

LAROUCHE: No. Not at all. Because we knew from the New Hampshire campaign, when I was campaigning up in New Hampshire, we talked to a lot of people there: We looked at the various options, looking back to Florida and to see what could be done four years later. We looked at voting machine options. We saw that you have people running voting machines—as in Ohio—are part of the Republican power apparatus. And they were involved—and identified—as monkeying with the machine after the election, to change the polling results.
snip

LAROUCHE: Well, you see what John Conyers has been doing. John Conyers has been playing a key role, and naturally, I'm fully supporting what he's up to. He's in a key position. Bill Clinton is also working, in his own way, on this one. The Kerry people are doing their part—seriously—despite what people suspect and argue, and so forth. I know what they're doing on these issues. They're on the issues seriously.

What we're doing is, we're taking the best part of the people who were brought together around the fight against Bush in recent years, especially those who organized in the last 60 days of the campaign for the Presidential election. These forces must move. What I've done, is laid out this program. Other people have adopted it—the same thing.

more..

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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:04 PM
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26. EXIT POLLS: THE LATEST MYSTERY POLLSTER BLOG - AND MY COMMENTS.
My comments to his points are in bold. The Exit Poll Numbers are what they are. Very compelling circumstantial evidence of fraud. No amount of spinning can make them go away.

The crux of the spin is that we should use a 99.5% condidence interval, and not the standard 95% level. Of course, using 99.5% GUARANTEES THAT EVERY POLL RESULT WILL FALL WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR.

THIS IS TOO, TOO OBVIOUS A CLASSIC DIVERSION TO OBSCURE THESE FACTS: THAT THE BUSH VOTE TALLIES EXCEEDED THE MOE IN AT LEAST SIXTEEN STATES, IF ONE USES THE CALCULATED EXIT POLL MOE IN EACH STATE; OR THAT THEY EXCEEDED THE MOE IN TWENTY-THREE STATES, IF ONE USES THE HISTORICALLY PROVEN 2.0% MOE FOR EXIT POLLS.

http://mysterypollster.typepad.com /

EXITS: WERE THEY REALLY "WRONG?"

Last week's posting of more detailed information on the sampling error of exit polls by the National Election Pool (NEP) allows for a quick review of the now well established conventional wisdom that the "exit polls were wrong."
Conventional wisdom. Of whom?

Let's first set aside the mid-day numbers that were widely leaked on the Internet but never intended as the basis for projections (numbers that even the exit pollsters recognized as flawed in some states -- see this earlier post for explanations on the differences among the many estimates provided by the exit pollsters on Election Day). Let us also stipulate that at least one state estimate of Hispanic voters (Texas) was obviously wrong, given the correction issued by NEP.

The conclusion that the exit polls were wrong is essentially about two possible failings:
• That the end-of-day numbers seemed to predict a Kerry victory.
• That the end-of-day numbers showed Kerry doing consistently better than he actually did.

What is the reality given what we now know about the exit poll's sampling error?

1) Did the just-before-poll-closing exit polls show a consistent and statistically significant "error" in Kerry's favor?

Yes, but that error has been exaggerated. Here is what we know:


• An internal NEP review of 1,400 sample precincts showed Kerry's share of the vote overstated by an average of 1.9 percentage points. As far as I can tell, no one from NEP questions the statistical significance of that overstatement.

TIA:
MY QUESTION TO THE MYSTERY POLLSTER: IS 1.9% OF 1400 SAMPLE PRECINCTS AN INSIGNIFICANT MARGIN?

• The before-poll-closing exit poll results posted by Steven Freeman (and included in the updated report by the Cal Tech / MIT Vote Project) show errors in Kerry's favor in 43 of the 51 surveys (the states plus DC). These overstate Kerry's vote by an average of 1.6 percentage points. If the surveys had been perfectly executed with perfectly random samples (an all but impossible assumption under real world conditions), the pattern of errors should have been the same as if we had flipped a coin 51 times: about half favoring Kerry, about half favoring Bush. The probability of 43 of 51 perfect surveys favoring Kerry by chance alone is less than 0.001%. Of course, this statistic only tells us that the surveys were imperfect. It says nothing about the cause or magnitude of the error.


TIA:
I HAVE CONSIDERED THE MAGNITUDE OF THE ERROR. IT IS BASED ON THE POLLING MARGIN OF ERROR, WHICH THE BUSH VOTE TALLIES EXCEEDED IN 16 STATES AND WHICH THE KERRY TALLIES EXCEEDED IN NONE.


To be clear: Everyone -- including the exit pollsters -- agrees they "overstated" Kerry's vote. There is some argument about the precise degree of certainty of that overstatement, but if all agree that the difference is statistically significant the degree of certainty has little consequence. The size of the error matters, and the reasons for it matter, but whether our level of confidence about the error's existence is 99.9% or something greater does not.

TIA:
THE EXIT POLLS OVERSTATED KERRY’S VOTE?
OR DID THE VOTES UNDERSTATE KERRY’S EXIT POLL NUMBERS?

Having said that, the second draft of the paper, "The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy," continues to needlessly exaggerate the significance of the error, especially within individual states. For example, Freeman claims that there were significant "discrepancies" in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida when each state is considered separately. He has a graphic (Figure 1.2) showing a significant error in Florida, assuming a 95% confidence level. However, these assertions are not supported by the margins of error reported by NEP.
• I applied the appropriate "confidence intervals" reported by NEP (as distributed to its partner networks on or before Election Day) to each state. Contrary to Freeman's assertions, the separate "discrepancies" in Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania fail to attain statistical significance even at a 95% confidence level. In fact, I see only four states (New Hampshire, New York, South Carolina and Vermont) with statistically significant errors favoring Kerry at a 95% confidence level. Of course, when using a 95% confidence level, 2-3 states should be out of range by chance alone.

TIA:
THAT IS FLAT OUT WRONG. ASSUMING THE EXIT POLL MARGIN OF ERROR FOR EACH STATE, KERRY’S VOTE LOSS WAS SIGNIFICANT WHEREVER HIS VOTE PERCENTAGE DEVIATED TO BUSH BEYOND THE MOE – AND THE MOE IS ALWAYS CALCULATED BASED ON THE 95% CONFIDENCE LEVEL, OR +/- 1.96 STANDARD DEVIATIONS FROM THE MEAN.

• I also followed the advice of Nick Panagakis and estimated confidence intervals at a 99.5% level of confidence (the standard used by NEP to make projections) using the actual estimates of the design effect obtained from Warren Mitofsky by blogger Rick Brady. By my calculations, this more demanding test renders the apparent errors in NH, NY, SC and VT non-significant.

TIA:
USE OF THE 99.5% CONFIDENCE LEVEL IS A STRAWMAN ARGUMENT. WHY NOT USE A 99.99% CONFIDENCE LEVEL? THEN YOU CAN BE ASSURED THAT IT WILL NEVER BE EXCEEDED.

Then there is the statistic heard round the world - Freeman's original "250 million to one" estimate of the odds against the discrepancy occurring simultaneously in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida. In his second draft, Freeman revised his estimate down to a mere 662,000 to one. Given that Freeman continues to understate the "design effect" used to calculate the sampling error in this year's exit polls, his revised estimate also remains too high.
Some have asked that I calculate my own estimate of the joint probability of an error in Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania. I am reluctant to do so for two reasons: First, the rounding error in Freeman's data alone renders this sort of hairsplitting moot. Second, and more important, it really doesn't matter. Everyone concedes there was a small (2%) but significant average error in Kerry's direction. For those concerned about problems with the count, what matters most is why that error occurred.

TIA:
DON’T JUST LOOK AT FL AND OH AND PA. LOOK AT ALL 51 STATES. AND CALCULATE THE PROBABILITY THAT 16 OUT OF 51 STATES WOULD MOVE BEYOND THE MOE IN FAVOR OF BUSH.

I AND OTHERS AT DU HAVE CALCULATED THE ODDS THAT THIS COULD OCCUR DUE TO CHANCE:

ONE OUT OF 13.5 TRILLION.

IF YOU CONSIDER THAT FOR EXIT POLLS, THE HISTORICAL NORM MOE = +/- 2%, THEN 23 STATES DEVIATED BEYOND THE 2% MOE IN FAVOR OF BUSH.

THE PROBABILITY OF THAT IS ZERO.


2) Considering sampling error, did the end-of-day numbers predict a Kerry victory?
This one is easy: No. Not even close.

TIA:
OH YES THEY DID.

It is true that the early numbers fooled a lot of people, including the talking heads on the cable networks, pollsters and advisors of both campaigns and possibly -- depending on which accounts you believe -- even John Kerry and George Bush. The reason, as the Post's Richard Morin put it, is that the 1.9% average error in Kerry's favor "was just enough to create an entirely wrong impression about the direction of the race in a number of key states and nationally."

TIA:
ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE. ALL KERRY NEEDED TO WIN WAS EITHER FLORIDA OR OHIO. HE WAS AHEAD IN BOTH. BUSH NEEDED TO WIN BOTH.


True. But that error was not big enough to give Kerry statistically significant leads in enough states to indicate a Kerry victory. If we totally ignore sampling error, the exit polls showed Kerry ahead in only four states that he ultimately lost: Ohio, Iowa, Nevada and New Mexico. Obviously, Kerry would have won the election had he prevailed in all four.

TIA:
AGAIN, NOT TOTALLY ACCURATE. HE JUST NEEDED OHIO.

Before considering whether any of those leads were statistically significant, two quick reminders: First, as Nick Panagakis points out, NEP required at least a 99% confidence level for projections on Election Night. Second, the margin between two candidates on a survey involves two estimates; and the margin of error applies separately to each candidate. Statisticians debate which rules of thumb to apply when determining the significance of the margin between two candidates, but the consensus in the case falls somewhere between the 1.7, as recommended by the American Statistical Association and 2.0, as recommended by those who consider it more appropriate in a race where the vote for 3rd party candidates is negligible (this is a great topic for another day's post - thanks to alert reader Bill Kaminsky for guiding MP through the competing arguments).

TIA:
YOU CONVENIENTLY IGNORE THE DEVIATIONS:
OH 3.0% SIGNIFICANTLY BEYOND THE 2.21% MOE (1963 SAMPLE SIZE)
IA 1.5% CLOSE TO THE 1.97% MOE (2502 SAMPLE SIZE)
NV 2.0% CLOSE TO THE 2.13% MOE (2116 SAMPLE SIZE)
NM 2.0% CLOSE TO THE 2.22% MOE (1951 SAMPLE SIZE)


Fortunately, in this case, the statistical debate is irrelevant. None of Kerry's apparent exit poll leads in the four states were large enough to attain statistical significance, even if we assume a 95% confidence level and use a cautious multiplier (1.7) on the margin of error. As the preceding table shows, the exit polls had Kerry ahead by 4 percentage points in Ohio, by 3 in New Mexico, by 2 in Iowa and by one point in Nevada. The NEP 95% margin of error for these states multiplied by 1.7 is between 5 and 7 percentage points. At the more appropriate confidence level of 99.5% -- the one NEP actually uses to recommend projections - these relatively small margins would fall far short of that needed to call a winner.

TIA:
AGAIN, YOUR USE OF THE 99.5% CONFIDENCE INTERVAL BASED ON THE NEP CRITERIA TO CALL ELECTIONS IS NOT THE ISSUE.

THE ISSUE IS THE CONSISTENT RED SHIFT OF EXIT POLLING RESULTS IN FAVOR OF BUSH – 41 OUT OF 51 STATES, AND 16 ABOVE THE MOE.

******* ONE OUT OF 13.5 TRILLION*******

IS THAT A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH NUMBER?


In a year-end review in this week's Roll Call (subscription required), Stuart Rothenberg concluded the following:
The problem wasn't the exits - it was the folks who treated the early-afternoon numbers as if they were a predictor of what would happen after everyone had voted. The exit poll was off by a couple of points, but that's well within the margin of error.
If only someone had warned us about those early afternoon numbers on Election Day. Oh, wait...

TIA:
THOSE "EARLY AFTERNOON" NUMBERS (ACTUALLY 4PM) WERE GOOD ENOUGH TO STAY OUT THERE UNTIL MIDNIGHT - AND THEY COMPRISED THE BULK OF THE EXIT POLL SAMPLES.

BUT MITOFSKY WON'T RELEASE THEM. WHY NOT?

UPDATE: I mentioned William Kaminski's blog, but not his commentary on this issue nor his elegant graphic -- it's worth the click just for the chart. My only remaining quibble with his graphic is that it displays a "safe estimate" of a 95% confidence of +/-4%; leaving the impression that the numbers for DE, AL, AK and NE fall outside that interval. However, the appropriate 95% confidence interval provided by NEP for these states is +/-5%.

TIA:
FIRST OF ALL THE CONFIDENCE INTERVAL IS 2.50%, NOT 5.0%.
WE ARE ONLY CONCERNED WITH THE BUSH HALF OF THE NORMAL DISTRIBUTION TAIL. AND IT'S 2.50%, JUST AS IT IS FOR KERRY. THIS IS VERY SOUND, ESTABLISHED AND FUNDAMENTAL STATISTICS. IT'S BASED ON THE EXIT POLL SAMPLE SIZE AND THE RESULTING MOE. THE EXIT POLLS HAD ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR DEMOGRAPHICS IN THEIR DESIGN AND PREPARATION. AFTER ALL, THAT'S WHAT POLLSTERS ARE PAID FOR, ISN'T IT?

SO, LET ME SAY IT ONE MORE TIME: IN SIXTEEN STATES, THE BUSH VOTING TALLY EXCEEDED THE CALCULATED MOE BASED ON SAMPLE SIZE.
NONE DID FOR KERRY.

THE ODDS: ONE IN 13.5 TRILLION.

AND IN TWENTY-THREE STATES, THE VOTING TALLY EXCEEDED THE HISTORIC, WORLDWIDE, ESTABLISHED 2.0% EXIT POLL MOE FOR BUSH.
JUST TWO STATES FOR KERRY.

THE ODDS: IMPOSSIBLE.

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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:14 PM
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27. Ex-partner: CyberNET books long were cooked
Sunday, December 19, 2004
By Ted Roelofs
The Grand Rapids Press
...

He stared at the monitor in disbelief. He believed he was looking at proof his business partner, Barton Watson, was a crook.
"He had two sets of books," Straayer said.

The real set of spending records showed Watson and his wife had siphoned off tens of thousands from their computer company, CyberNET Engineering, Straayer said. Straayer said in 1992 he took his concerns to a local FBI agent, to a criminal investigator for the IRS and a city police detective. He wanted Watson charged with embezzlement.

...

Like many others, Straayer initially was struck by the man who called himself Barton Watson III. He was intelligent and charismatic. He could converse with expert knowledge on just about any subject. His background seemed impressive: prep school in Connecticut, graduate of the London School of Business.

...

Some six months later, Straayer stumbled upon on the telltale computer disk. He did some digging. Straayer called their primary lender and had them mail canceled checks from the company corporate account. He flipped through the checks and added up the amounts. The total: $218,000 in checks for personal use by either Barton or Krista.

...

Former FBI agent Gene Debbaudt said it's unlikely federal criminal charges would have been brought unless there was evidence that a government institution was defrauded or the firm had committed mail or telephone fraud.

more
http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-...

CyberNET Group CEO killed during standoff
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

CyberNET widow was 'enforcer'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Creditors fight over CyberNET Group toys
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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28. Please add items as needed.
I'm going to bed! :)
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