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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:15 PM
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MUST READ: An Interview with Lyndon Larouche
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 08:17 PM by TruthIsAll
LAROUCHE ON OHIO RADIO DEC. 16:

http://www.larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2004/larpac/041216ohio_radio.html

Lyndon LaRouche was interviewed on Dec. 16, by "Front Street" hosts Charles Traylor, Wendy Huntley, and Bob Fitrakis on Columbus, Ohio station WVKO 1580AM/103.1FM.

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BOB FITRAKIS: Mr. LaRouche, is there a tie-in between what now they're acknowledging in Franklin County here—that is, massive voter suppression of poor people, African-Americans; you know, the shorting of machines—a deliberate attack upon the voting rights of poor and minority people in Franklin County, and what now appears to be an economic attack on people's Social Security?

LAROUCHE: Well, the point is, if you were going to do this—or try to do it, that is, to bring the Pinochet Plan, which is, of course now failing in Chile after the 20-odd years it's been in effect, it would fail here. But, the point was, if you wanted to do this and some other things, you had to have a Bush re-election. Without a Bush re-election, there wouldn't be a chance, at all, of pushing this thing through.

Now, the entire financial system is collapsing. We're on the verge of a collapse, any time now, for a major financial blow-out of the U.S. and the international markets. At this point, they're counting on looting Social Security, or having a proof that they can loot Social Security, as a way of putting more capital into a depressed U.S. financial market, to try to bail out the gambling side of the financial-market system.

Now, George Shultz and company, of course, who was one of the original authors of the Pinochet operation down there, is also behind the Bush campaign. And he typifies these big interests, which are behind both.

They had to commit a fraud to get elected.

FITRAKIS: So, you're not buying the—. We've just submitted expert testimony from a University of Illinois Chicago statistician, saying, the odds that these exit polls in Florida, Pennsylvania, and Ohio were wrong, are in the order of 155 million to 1.

LAROUCHE: Yeah, sure!

FITRAKIS: That doesn't surprise you.

LAROUCHE: No. Not at all. Because we knew from the New Hampshire campaign, when I was campaigning up in New Hampshire, we talked to a lot of people there: We looked at the various options, looking back to Florida and to see what could be done four years later. We looked at voting machine options. We saw that you have people running voting machines—as in Ohio—are part of the Republican power apparatus. And they were involved—and identified—as monkeying with the machine after the election, to change the polling results.
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LAROUCHE: Well, you see what John Conyers has been doing. John Conyers has been playing a key role, and naturally, I'm fully supporting what he's up to. He's in a key position. Bill Clinton is also working, in his own way, on this one. The Kerry people are doing their part—seriously—despite what people suspect and argue, and so forth. I know what they're doing on these issues. They're on the issues seriously.

What we're doing is, we're taking the best part of the people who were brought together around the fight against Bush in recent years, especially those who organized in the last 60 days of the campaign for the Presidential election. These forces must move. What I've done, is laid out this program. Other people have adopted it—the same thing.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:19 PM
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1. Larouche is a nutcase who occasionally gets it right
...and he's got it right in this instance. That's exactly what they're doing, trying to get FICA contributions in to prop up the stock market.

Every single thing the junta has done has been to prop up the stock market.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:28 PM
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2. maybe larouche (and nader) never were the nutcases the mediawhores said
maybe it was the mediawhores the whole time dividing and conquering us....that view actally adds up as well as bush being given a 'mandate' after fukking up everything these last few years...
the mediawhores need punishing, capitally
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:42 PM
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7. Be careful of LaRouche....
just do a Yahoo search if you want to find out about his background. Anyone around in CA in the late 80's is wary of his Nazi tendencies.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 01:59 AM
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26. Apparently it takes one to know one.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:30 PM
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3. A very interesting read. I don't know much about
Larouche's credibility. But he makes some very plausible and scary points here.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:42 PM
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8. Spend five minutes with one of his adherents.
Make sure it is five minutes and only five minutes. Ask questions of anything you feel doubtful about. Leave immediately after five minutes no matter what. An hour later, chances are you'll think "this person sounded like a cult member".
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:54 PM
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10. He had some of the best documented analysis available
Whatever his beliefs and back ground. Which I don't know much about.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:30 PM
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14. Also interesting. A bit of a conundrum.
What a down-the-rabbit-hole moment.

The Keepers of Truth (the media, populated by dedicated investigative journalists) are basically broken, fearful, servants of the Office of Talking Points, while the facts are the province of internet conspiracy theorists (us), loons (Jeff Fisher, Bev), crackpots (Larouche), and everyone who depends on aluminum foil to keep the Government's satellites from using theta waves to read our thoughts.

Curiouser, and curiouser.

:grr: :think: :tinfoilhat: :shrug: :grr: :think: :tinfoilhat: :shrug:
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:30 PM
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4. people who question the establishment are always labeled as nutts.
...and then the media helps out with their nutts image...don't you remember the SCREAM? The Dean Scream?
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:40 PM
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6. And then they end up in jail for fraud or something.
Oh hey wait, he really did commit fraud!
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loritooker Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:32 PM
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5. I would feel comforted believing Kerry and Clinton are on this
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:49 PM
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9. We must be REALLY DESPERATE if we're jumping in bed with him. nt
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:59 PM
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11. Yes, if he is on our side, this calls for some serious reflection.
Lyndon has always been a couple bricks short of a load. He may be right but one has to wonder how he would know if Clinton/Kerry are involved. I can't imagine he really has an inside track here.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:02 PM
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12. desperate? not we....
why we're sure once dust settles and it's proven that kerry is US c-in-c, presentdunce bush (of course) will go away like the loser he is....
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:12 PM
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13. LaRouche has a reputation as a crazie, but he led the charge on Prescott
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 09:14 PM by Zen Democrat
Bush and disclosing his financial dealings with the Nazis and that Prescott was charged with trading with the enemy in 1942 and stripped of his German bank holdings.

Everybody thought that was "crazy" until the government finally opened up its files this year and it turned out to be absolutely true.

LaRouche is somebody that we should neither embrace nor shun, but we should hear what he has to say. He's no dummy.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:37 PM
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15. LaRouche Hasn't Changed
He has always been out there. The irony here is that he only sounds rational because of the yank of our country into the bizarro world of BushCo. We came to his world as passengers on the BushCo freight train of fraud, larceny and deception. We do indeed live in interesting times.

It is butt whuppin' cold in Indiana tonight.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:40 PM
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16. I'm not about to throw the baby out with the bathwater
What he says about Social Security, raiding it to prop up the stock market, is absolutely correct. This isn't rocket science. Look at how happy Wall Street was following the election.

I don't think a lot of people understand how easy it is to manipulate the stock market and thereby cause "common folk" to lose their life savings. People want to "own" their retirement funds, but the people who are planning to rob them of those funds couldn't care less about anything except amassing more money, which, incidentally, being of the investment class, they won't be paying taxes on. A sweet deal for bush's friends, indeed. I'm sure big bucks passed under the table so that bush defied all odds on heaven and earth to "win."

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:46 PM
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18. I'm with you. Just like with the voting, some people have "proprietary"
rights in the stock market.

Remember Duke & Duke, from the film "Trading Places". Every time someone makes money on a trade, THEY make money. And every time someone loses money on a trade, they STILL make money.

The common folk don't know that the stock-market (which they don't even need to buy into to be dependent on) is ultimately a game where the house never loses.

And that's why we Socialized the risk, for the Security of our families.

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Pierre de Fermat Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:42 PM
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17. If we go down this road, we will regret it. n/t
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:50 PM
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19. What road? n/t
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:52 PM
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20. the problem with LaRouche is that
he starts out sounding reasonable and then he starts dragging in the pyramids and the Queen of England and then it's off to la la land...... it only takes reading a couple of LaRouche pamphlets (which I have done) to really make you go.... hmmm.... not too sure about this fella. :tinfoilhat:
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:54 PM
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21. Even a broken clock is right twice a day...
...unless it's a 24-hour one!
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:08 PM
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22. Larouche makes a lot of sense here,
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 11:10 PM by necso
although in the absence of the free flow of information, it is hard to tell what is true and what is bogus (in this -- or anything).

This, for instance, is a statement that reverberates: "So, this kind of thing we expected. That's why I said to the Democratic Party: We have to go for a massive turnout, a landslide victory, because we're going to have to overwhelm a great fraud. And the only way to deal with a fraud like this effectively, front-on, is to overwhelm it with a landslide vote."

I read some Larouche stuff many years ago and he seemed to have some "off the record" information, that was both accurate and "insider". But he attracts some people of dubious judgment.

It is true that Larouche goes off to places that are questionable. Some of this is probably a matter of character, but he is also probably being fed disinformation in order to discredit him. Of course, he may also be smart enough to realize that being seen as a nut case helps to make him appear less of a threat... and that this works in his interest to some degree.

In any event, we need all the help that we can get... as long as we can keep from falling on each other's throats. -- And this may prove difficult, since this is exactly what our opponents desire -- and are actively working towards.

However, it cannot be other than good to have people from across the spectrum questioning what is going on around us. And we must use every provable election infraction as a means of moving forward on the voting mess. Without fair, accurate and transparent elections, we have little hope of significantly changing the current course of events.

But we must also work for "landslide" victories in every race, because a goodly percentage of our margin is going to "disappear" at various points in the process of future elections in ways that will be very difficult to completely overcome.

On another note, when we cannot get our hands on voter logs, vote padding will be difficult to detect. "Off the books" vote padding is an old favorite (along with multiple votes across and within precincts "on the books"), and there is some evidence that it played a role in this election, although how much is difficult to say.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 12:04 AM
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23. I spoke several times with LaRouche people during Primary Season.
My main contact for awhile was Anton Chaiken who is a historian and co-author of The Unauthorized Biography Of George Bush.

I was impressed with the fact that they were totally aware of the activities of the Bush family for years, AWARE of the Neocon Agenda, and Anton was not afraid to discuss them. He was also open about how we went through a coup in 2000, and they were working very hard within the government with military and Intelligence people. Although I didn't support LaRouche, it was REFRESHING to hear the TRUTH!
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 12:58 AM
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25. "and they were working very hard"
I can read this "they" different ways. Which way did you intend?

I worked with a Larouche supporter many years ago and I remember Larouche as being then very strong on national security and he made some good points.

But Larouche was never to my taste, and I have not followed his work since. Indeed, I didn't even really follow it then, but I did get passed the materials which were circulating and I read them. And like I said, he made some points.

And my question above is rhetorical to a certain extent.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 12:55 AM
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24. This is an interesting read on LaRouche, from 1989....
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