I don't know...but I have problem believing anything posted here...

[KoKo]

Maybe I'm just :crazy: or maybe I'm "Blind" to the truth ...or maybe I'm just :eyes:

How would I know the "Truth" from "Fiction?" TELL ME!

I see "articles" posted in "snips" which are disinformation...like the Michael Moore one...where just a "snippet" is posted knowing that "lazy" DU'ers won't read the whole article...and there are other posts which only give "one side" knowing that folks will react to the "Flame" of the article...and not read because many DU'er's refuse to Register for even Mainstream sites being very independent.

For those of us who "DO" register...the reading of the article is very often different from the "snippet" post...

What to do...What to do....??? I don't know!

[alittlelark]

1. Research for yourself, this is a great place to start.

[KoKo]

5. Where should I start to research...I'm clueless?

[alittlelark]

12. I've seen you on this board for quite awhile.....

You must have picked up some research ideas..... Check the sources, click around sites to determine if they seem trustworthy ... Google works well... If you have a friend or the $$ do Lexus-Nexus searches...

[indigobusiness]

2. Keep an open mind. Let the lies fall from their dead weight.

The truth has wings.

[DireStrike]

3. Dunno. Check sources?

Descartes said that if you want to obtain knowledge, you must question everything.

There are ways to get around that registration nonsense.

[KoKo]

7. But...what should I question? Where do I start?

[DireStrike]

11. You have to start at the bottom and work your way up.

You've already learned about how information is selectively filtered by people highlighting the juicy parts. Now you have to know how the article writers filter information, how their publishers filter it, how the audience filters it... media studies, if media reporting is what you would question.

Reduce everything until there is something left that cannot be denied. This is the basis for critical thinking, and the foundation of reason.

[procinderella]

23. I'd start with...

The Petition to Contest the Election filed in the Ohio Supreme Court. It lays out exit poll v. returns, vote suppression, vote tabulating problems. You need to read the whole thing, though, starting after the first pages of contesters and defendants.

It's available on freepress.org.

[merh]

26. Also use some good ole fashion common sense.

Take the Michael Moore post you mentioned. The interview was given before most of the "good" election fraud issues came to light. I think someone also pointed out that the article predated some of the information (the tech fooling with the computers, the cheat sheets, that sort of thing). It would appear that the Rolling Stone interview/article predated the facts that have come to light and predated MM's entry on his website where he mentions the election fraud issues. The original poster may not have known that or may have been trying to discourage DUers.

Then there was the post of the newspaper quoted a FBI agent in Ohio who said that they were conducting no investigation. That article was dated the 15th, the same date of Conyers' letter formally requesting an investigation. Again, the poster may not have realized that the letter went out after the interview and it was an innocent oversight. Or, the poster was trying to dampen the spirits of DUers.

[noamnety]

4. Look for primary sources

Most of the time, there will be a link to a primary source. When there isn't, people tend to ask for it.

[KoKo]

9. What is a "Primary Source" what are you talking about?

[RandomKoolzip]

6. I think it's best not to upset the aplecart here.....

Everytime I see someone inject a note of doubt in this forum, the cops come screaming out of the wallpaper.

I remain cautiously interested myself, but I'm resisting the pull of "belief."

[DeepGreen]

8. alittlelark is right on!

If you question anything, research. I have not seen
anything in LBN that has not been backed up by news
sites (don't think you will find confirmtion in
the national news orgs because you probably won't).
Follow the links provided or do a google news search.

[KoKo]

10. How do I do research., what do you mean about research...where do I

start to question stuff I read here?

[crispini]

13. If someone posts the snip.

read the whole article.

If they don't post a link, ASK THEM FOR ONE pronto!

That's where ya start.

[DeepGreen]

14. The way I would approach it is to search on the article title or

some key words within it. Sometimes I hit multiple sources
right off and some times I need to do more searches -
somewhat like researching information for a report in a library
except using search engines like google.

Sometimes searching on a phrase helps.

Is this helping or am I way off on your question ?

[complain jane]

15. Like Deep Green said.

Go to Google and type in the subject and hit SEARCH. Then try it under the Google News section. And ask questions here. DU is a great sounding board itself; check out the Links section too. And follow links in other posters' signature lines, you'll find a lot of interesting resources there too.

Y'know, even if you hear a story somewhere, surf the web and read it again, find the source, read the original story and find it again in fifteen places after that still doesn't mean it's the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth (unfortunately).

[Razorback_Democrat]

20. I don't mean to be rude, but

are you being deliberately dense?


"How do I do research, what do you mean about research, where do I start"

try google

read links

form your own opinion

no hand holding should be needed for that.

:hippie:

[IndyOp]

22. You don't have to register to read the whole article -- my new fav site

is <http://www.bugmenot.com>. All you have to do is paste the URL of the site into BugMeNot and it will give you a username and password so you can log in and read the article.

People will always pull out the information that they think is most important (either because it matches what they think or because it is in contrast to what they think). Just because there is additional information in the article that will always 'balance out' the snips doesn't mean that the snips were misleading...

Just a thought...

:shrug:

[DeepGreen]

32. KoKo01,, are you pulling my chain ??

If so,,,,, good one !!!! or I need to read more closely or,,,, you can fill in the _______! (damn, leaving myself wide open here)

:)

[complain jane]

16. How can you have 1000+ posts, and not believe what's posted here?

I mean, no offense or anything, just found it funny.

[RevCheesehead]

18. Go back and read his original post - he's jerking your chain!

KoKo, you're funny! :hi:

[nashville_brook]

17. just like in any conversation, people speak w/o

thinking.

i love reading what people have to say here. people take diff roles. there's the peanut gallery and the leaders (number-crunchers, researchers) and the people who post links and the essayists and the rest of us who need the therapy :)

the folks posting snippets w/o comment (and w/o reading them) just don't have much to say, ergo, not much to *believe* one way or the other. how can you believe something that is content-free?

[crispini]

19. Take it philosophically.

If the internet teaches you to believe very little of what you see and hear, on first glance, it will have done its job. Thank heavens, the internet is making cynical intelligent factcheckers out of all of us! DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING that you read unless you know the source and maybe not even then!

[KoKo]

24. Thanks for your "introspective post." I think I'm just very gullible...

and you are correct I just look at things from the "first glance."

I will have to be more careful in the future... And just not believe everything I read on the internet.

Thanks for your reply.

[crispini]

33. Ookay, read the thread, guess you're kidding.

:hi: Hey, bringin' the funny here in 2004 Election Results. Go 4 it! :D

[Mike Niendorff]

21. ok, you got me Koko. Good one.

(self-delete)

MDN

[seabeyond]

25. i admit i just read the snip of MM, so tell me, was there more

did he dismiss the election fraud

i am lazy, i read so much on this board i do stick to the snippet, i am also taking care of two boys on vacation, cleaning house, feeding, taking care of niece and brother, they moved here and looking for apt and enroll niece in school and dealing with fatehr, and other brother just out of prison and his two sons, my nephews, to insure they all have a wonderful christmas

lazy that i am, i am guilty. but am curious about MM.

have had accumulated about half hour on board today. generally all dayer

[RevCheesehead]

27. Actually, the responses are amusing - reminds me of the MSM.

Doesn't ANYBODY read the original post? Read it carefully! The question isn't about how to find information - it's about what to do with people who don't read critically, and simply respond to one another's posts. Then you get comments on comments, and eventually flame-wars on the comments, which often digress greatly from the intent of the original post.

I see this whole thread as a commentary on the media, as well as intellectual laziness (or simply reading too quickly without comprehension).

But thanks for the laugh, KoKo!

[rumpel]

28. A historical view on MSM as propaganda tool. Very long article

on Operation Mockingbird. early 90's

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html

[KoKo]

30. well...I think just posting "snippets" of articles to verify our own views

is kind of "seedy" if you get my drift...

But...whatever...(chewing my gum, here...go with the flow). If folks want to focus on whatever...whatever..

Me,..personally...think folks should read the WHOLE Linked Article...but..as I said (smack, smack...what do I know? little ole me...just out here :crazy:) I'm kinda :silly: too! :D

[Skip Intro]

29. I know what you mean

its when I found myself being urged to turn on those I had held in high-esteem for a long time that I began to wonder what is real here and what is disinfo.

And you can bet at least some of what is posted at DU is disinfo.

How to tell what is what?

Well, for me, if there is a piece of info that has long-time DUers among the convinced, that goes a long way toward assurring me the news item might just be true.

If its something just too good to be true, backed by some source I've never heard of, I'm suspicious automatically.

[KoKo]

31. ABSOLUTELY....(smacking my gum...whatever....whatever).