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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 04:21 AM
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New Voting Machine Receives Fed Approval Electronic/Paper-Ballot Hybrid
Edited on Tue Dec-21-04 04:28 AM by proudbluestater
Scroll down the linked page a bit and you'll see the article. I want to say this looks promising, but am interested in anybody ready to shoot holes through the idea. It is the first machine CERTIFIED under the new voting law passed in 2002. Note the board of directors is Republicans and Democrats. Already we're better off!

http://ignorantusa.tripod.com/

Unlike most other touch screen systems that risk losing votes, the Populex system doesn't collect and store votes electronically in the voting computer.

Instead, Populex prints an official ballot, equipped with a bar code that is scanned to reliably record and count the votes. This paper ballot is the official ballot that's counted on Election Day and also the audit trail needed for recounts. Additionally, Populex's technology helps prevent voters from making errors and provides several opportunities for them to verify their selections.

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Populex Corporation's advisory board includes both Democrats and Republicans -- including Tony Coelho, former Democratic Congressman and author of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), and Frank Carlucci, former Secretary of Defense and Advisor to the President for National Security Affairs during the Reagan Administration. This bi-partisan participation helps ensure that Populex focuses on protecting and increasing confidence in the democratic process without favoring or even being perceived as favoring one political party over another.

"Counting votes accurately is neither a Democratic nor a Republican ideal, it's an American ideal," said Coelho. "Frank and I are involved with Populex because we believe it provides the best option across the country to bring confidence back to our voting process."


The other problem that is extremely bothersome is that the crooked election officials are NEVER held accountable. In both 2000 and 2004 they get off scot free. Worse, they get elected to higher office rather than being prosecuted.









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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 04:55 AM
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1. The Dem on their advisory board is probably Zell Miller
YEah, I heard Populex is owned by far right wingers..

http://ignorantusa.tripod.com/
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:11 AM
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5. Tony Coelho
Was a Democrat California - US House

Was involved in Gore's campaign, do a search on him.

Lawsuits for at least 4 different corruption situations.

In bed with Texas Gov. Bush when he was with a huge mortuary company in Texas.
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 05:03 AM
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2. It is better than what TS we have now but not great
It prints out barcodes only. You can not "read" your selections. It does have a reader that you can double check your vote but how many voters will take the additional step.

Still I like it over TS that you do not know who your vote was REALLY record for.

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 09:00 AM
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7. Sounds like more smoke & mirror "fixes"
n/t
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 05:05 AM
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3. Switzerland uses a open source code called "Wisekry"
Microsoft is now developing the same encryption that was created by Wisekey. The two companies are working together to create an opem source code, the best secure encryption so far and a paper trial, voting machime.

I think any and all voting machines should never come from a privatized source alone...the issue around 'intellectual property' is totally absurd. The worthless code used by Diebold and ES&S is a joke. They only claim 'property' when citizens want to examine the activity of the machine. And we know thats pretty dubious.
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 05:57 AM
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4. DUH! Missed the whole article debunking the machine owners!
I thought that article at the top was on something else, not the new machine itself! ARGH!

No system is going to be fail-safe, anyway, as long as there are so many unscrupulous people on one side.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:28 AM
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6. Major Flaw
Edited on Tue Dec-21-04 06:35 AM by RC
"Populex prints an official ballot, equipped with a bar code that is scanned to reliably record and count the votes."

No, The best way to vote is when the voter directly marks the paper. Then you have a human readable paper trail. Machines do not need bar-codes to read the vote. If there is a recount, it needs to be done by hand, under supervised conditions, with the press present.
Other countries can do this, why not the so called greatest country on Earth?

Uniform voting procedures across the country, with a reliable way to prove whether or not a person actually did or did not vote.

Also directly marking the ballot, you would not need to wait for a machine to vote. And it takes only a few seconds to scan your votes in, if a machine is used.

We need to make things as hard as possible to cheat.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 09:02 AM
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8. Step by step, their plans unfold.... :^( ......................n/t
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 09:23 AM
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9. And when vote padding occur rs on a 51 state basis
and there is not a close enough count at the end of the day to trigger an automatic recount, how many battle ground states are the Democratic party going finance for a recount. And then there is the whole issue of what counties get recounted. They send us on a fishing expedition, and we are supposed to make legal arguments from their field of corruptness they leave in their wake.
NO!!!! We must make a stand HERE & NOW to overthrow THEIR FRAUD!!!!
Expose ALL of them, prosecute them, incarcerate them, NOW!!!!:mad:
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