Ohio Certificate of Ascertainment does NOT say which electors

[k8conant]

were appointed...it lists all the electors and the vote totals at the time!

http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/2004_certificates/ascertainment_ohio_01.html

[MrUnderhill]

1. That's what tells them which electors are appointed.

I'm afraid I don't see your point.

Try this one:
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/2004_certificates/vote_ohio_01.html

[k8conant]

5. Where does it say on the certificate WHO was appointed?

:kick:

[k8conant]

7. You're looking at the VOTE not the APPOINTMENT of electors...n/t

[bemis12]

2. That's because

you're looking at the Certificate of Ascertainment, which is issued before the electors vote.

When the electors vote, they issue a Certificate of Vote. Here is where it shows that George Bush received to 20 Ohio electoral votes.

http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/2004_certificates/vote_ohio_01.html

[k8conant]

4. Yes, I know that, but we're talking about the appointment not the vote n/t

[bemis12]

6. Tell me how it differs

from Pennsylvania's

http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/2004_certificates/ascertainment_pennsylvania_01.html

Each of these certificates meets the requirements for the content of the Certificate of Appointment. If you're trying to make the case that there's some loophole there for challenging the Certificate, that's just nutty.

[k8conant]

8. Page 3 of Pennsylvania says which ones are appointed...

there is no such appointment on Ohio's. If that's nutty, so be it. But this whole issue of contesting Ohio's vote has EVERYTHING to do with who the electors are.

[bemis12]

9. Have a great time.

*rolls eyes*

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[k8conant]

15. I shall

but no eye-rollers

[k8conant]

3. The other states state which electors are appointed:

not Ohio! That's what this certificate is for.

[crispini]

12. Um, all of the Ohio electors SIGNED IT.

Isn't that good enough to state which electors were appointed?

[k8conant]

16. Um, that was the VOTE not the ASCERTAINMENT...

look again

[MrUnderhill]

21. But they CAN'T VOTE unless they are already chosen.

[crispini]

23. Does that really matter?

From:
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/ascertain.html

A Certificate of Ascertainment lists the: names of the electors chosen by the voters and the number of votes received names of all other candidates for elector and the number of votes received.

The Governor of each State prepares seven original Certificates of Ascertainment listing the persons appointed as electors as soon as possible after the November election.

Each Certificate must be signed by the Governor and carry the seal of the State.

One of the seven original Certificates of Ascertainment, along with two certified copies (or two additional originals) must be sent by registered mail to the Archivist of the United States.

Federal law does not govern the general appearance of the Certificate of Ascertainment.

The remaining Certificates are paired with the Certificates of Vote at the Meeting of Electors in December.

[Niche]

10. Not sure i understand thread but OH elect. voted last week - R

P.S. "who were they?" It looked to me (Cspan) that they were mostly white, and mostly vacuous towing their party line.

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[MrUnderhill]

14. OH NO! But now Kerry doesn't get ANY of NY's EVs!!!

http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/2004_certificates/vote_new_york_03.html

Now even if Ohio is overturned we can't possibly win! 33 Electoral Votes down the drain!

The go to John L. Kerry. :cry:


So if Ohio is flipped... we get Bush as President and Edwards as VP?

[Alizaryn]

17. huh?

[MrUnderhill]

20. Kerry's middle initial is "F", not "L".

It's a typo or other simple mistake. It couldn't possibly make a difference. But it's the level of analysis that created this thread... so I thought I would point it out.

[Alizaryn]

24. Thank you, I could not for the life of me figure

out what this was about!

[regularjoe]

18. Is this a joke? How did they mess that up? n/t

[Doctor O]

19. Based on the state of the recount,

Ohio will never be flipped at this point. * will win the recount. There is no way that any judge or court is going to give Ohio's electoral votes to Kerry based on the initial vote and the recount. The most that could happen is that they will be thrown out. Proving Fraud, (which is looking more and more like it will not happen) would only start a series of court challenges that would go on for many many months.
If on Jan 6th Congress challenges Ohio electoral votes, then the House and Senate vote. With the Republicans holding the edge, do you really think that they will elect Kerry and or Edwards as P/VP. Maybe they would substitute another Republican like Dennis Hastert (not sure of the protocol) but it would definitely not be a Democrat.

[merh]

22. Hell, according to that website, Mississippi & Missouri didn't

cast any votes. :shrug:

http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/2004_certificates/index.html#i