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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:35 PM
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Broward County Precinct Level Comparison to 2000 - Alarming
I apologize up front for the length, and only the most dedicated number cruncher might find it interesting, but I think it is important to get as much feedback as possible on this. I'm just a working guy trying to break down the election numbers on the side to ease (or confirm) my own doubts regarding the validity of the election.

I'm looking for anyone who may have access to or know where to find information regarding precinct level data for Broward County, FL. Maybe someone, somewhere has already begun this work, and I'd hate to duplicate. I'll start by briefly summarizing what I have done thus far / am planning on doing. Then I'll report on some interesting observations after only starting to wade through the mess.

I've gathered a lot of information from publicly accessible sites regarding precinct information in Broward. I have collected published results by precinct from both the 2000 and the 2004 elections. I have an Arcview precinct map of the county for both the 2000 election and post-2002 re-districting. I'm looking to consolidate registration stats, vote totals, and precinct location/naming changes into one data source.

I have been in contact with the Broward BOE and they have actually been extremely helpful thus far. I'm currently being forwarded hard copies of the official precinct maps for both elections, as well as a couple of other items which I will describe below.

First, let me describe the frustrating mess that collecting this data has become:

1)
As stated above, the precincts have been modified. In some cases, it is just a slight boundary change, in others, surrounding precincts have been completely rearranged. Some have been combined, some have been split. Some are unchanged, and some have dissappeared. It truly is a mess. After getting into it, the first thought that came into my mind was: What better way to hide fraud? Make everything as chaotic as possible to forensically study, and many things can be hidden. I have spent many hours deep within zoomed in precinct map printouts comparing the 2000 and post 2002 maps, looking for the adjustments. I've created a method for identifying which ones have gone unchanged geographically, and which groups of 2000 precincts geographically coincide with which goups from the post 2002 map. And, yes, it is manual. This is very tedious. I'm about a third of the way through the county, and there are a number of green-highlighted precinct map sheets on my desk. I should be getting the offical hard copy maps from the 2000 election as well as the 2004 election this week from the Broward BOE to verify this work. I find it amazing that there was no available information at the BOE which mapped these changes or described the logic or criteria for the changes that were made. But, I'm making do with what is available.

2)
There was a huge drive to early/absentee voting in 2004. On the surface, this might not seem like a problem. But for data analysis, it most certainly is. In 2000, there were 48,562 Broward votes cast in this manner, or in so-called "Absentee Precincts." In 2004, the number was 278,236, a 572% increase. 176,000 or so of these votes were from "Early Voting Locations." Like Absentee votes, these are tracked as consolidated "super-precincts". Absentee votes are grouped by "style", which I'm assuming refers to the available races on the particular ballot. I believe early votes are grouped similarly, i.e. a combination of particular sub-precincts into one large, super-precinct. It becomes practically impossible to extract the sub-precinct level data from the larger data sets to compare to past elections. I've asked the BOE if this extraction is possible, and they tell me "NO". Reason: it violates voter anonymity. Back when there were fewer absentee ballots cast, it might be possible to determine the choice of a particular elector by knowing from which precinct the absentee ballots were cast, and the candidate breakdown for the absentee sub-group, since they are tracked separately. This seems a little ridiculous. Especially now, with approximately 40% of the county's votes being cast before election day. My contact at the BOE totally agrees with me on this one and is doing everything he can to address it. He even said he asked the question publicly at the infamous Florida BOE conference (crashed by Bev Harris). He has agreed to get a me a copy of their "Recap" report for 2004, which in short, gives the total (not candidate breakdown) absentee ballots cast by registered precinct. He's not sure if this is available for 2000, but is working on it. Along with knowing which precincts are grouped together to form the larger early & absentee style "super-precincts", it is possible to pretty much (with just a few assumptions) nail down the absentees & early vote results by sub-precinct.

Two things worry me about this so far. First, the response to the question at the BOE conference was that there will be a push to go to and "election period" as opposed to an election day, and the need for the small precincts goes away. In other words, in future elections, ALL votes may be cast in these "super-precincts", thus rendering it even harder to forensically investigate. Especially if everything changes at each election cycle. The second thing that worries me is that there has been a week or two delay in getting me some of this information, specifically the 2004 Recap report, which my contact has said needs to be redone because the wrong precinct definitions were used. That concerns me. He had previously told me they would be ready in like a day or two.

3)
I've finally collected and organized all of the registration statistics for both elections. The source for 2004 was the BOE's website, and the source for the 2000 #'s was the metadata in the Arcview file. But, because of the precinct adjustments, some of these numbers are worthless without solutions to 1) and 2) above. I'm specifically looking for registration increases / decreases in precincts, or groups of precincts, which have not changed since 2000. I think I have this data ready, but it needs to be consolidated with the absentee votes, early votes, and the re-districting.

Observations thus far:
Out of the 200-300 precincts that I have looked at so far, I have identified 57 precincts which did not geographically change between the 2000 election map and the post-2002 map (to be verified with hard copies). Of these 57 precincts, 51 showed a net change in registration advantage to the Democrats between 2000 and 2004. Some precincts lost republican registration, some gained, some lost democratic registration, some gained. But, in 51 out of 57 counties the registration margin changed in favor of the Democrats. The Democratic registration margin in these 57 precincts was 5,833 people higher than it was in 2000. Conversely, the election day results show something completely different, and rather alarmingly. In the 57 precincts, the democratic election day vote margin decreased in 53 counties. The Democratic election day vote margin was 7,575 votes less than it was in 2000. And this is with significantly less people casting votes on election day this time around. Wouldn't you expect an increased Democratic registration margin to translate into an increased Democratic vote margin? I don't see how it could possibly go the other way, and go the other way so definitively. Here, the increased Democratic registration margin translated into a hugely decreased Democratic vote margin. Makes no sense. Precinct 5R is a typical example of this large anomaly. There are many, many other similar cases, and I'm only a third of the way through the county so far.

Precinct 5R:
Republican Registration Change: -4
Democratic Registration Change: +69 (+73 Dem Margin)

Bush Election Day Vote Change: -107
Gore-Kerry Election Day Vote Change: -289 (-182 Dem Margin)
(Remember, many less Election Day votes due to more Early voting)

Another example is Precinct 28E:
Republican Registration Change: +43
Democratic Registration Change: +210 (+167 Dem Margin)

Bush Election Day Vote Change: -71
Gore-Kerry Election Day Vote Change: -406 (-335 Dem Margin)

Precinct 5R shows a 255 person swing between Change in Registration Margin and Change in Election Day Vote Margin. This swing represents 10.9% of all registered voters in this precinct (2348).

Precinct 28E shows a 502 person swing between Change in Registration Margin and Change in Election Day Vote Margin. This swing represents 16.6% of all registered voters in this precinct (3030).

Out of the 57 precincts, not one showed a swing between Change in Registration Margin and Change in Election Day Vote Margin that favored the Democrats. Not one. The swings ranged from 6 to 614 and represented anywhere from 1% of the precinct total registration to 30% of the precinct total registration. That is an alarming fact. One that shouts fraud on election day. Theoretically, I would expect a 50-50 split, in some cases the registration drive benefitted the vote, in other it didn't. But not 100% across the board. That's saying that in every single case, the Democratic registration drive (which was quite succesful, 51 out of 57 favored the Dems) failed to produce a higher margin of Kerry votes (and it consistently failed, 53 out of 57 precincts showed Bush gains against the Dems)

One possible explanation of this anomaly is that the absentee/early ballots were cast more in favor of Bush in 2004 when compared to 2000. The numbers will show that this is a far-fetched theory. The absentee/early votes would have to go so much more in favor of Bush than in 2000 that it is highly unlikely. After all of the absentee/early data information that I have requested is available, I will include these numbers in the analysis. However, as I've stated earlier, this data is difficult to come by.


For all who read completely through this, thank you. Please critique the method and offer suggestions. Please point me in the direction of others who may be doing similar work. Please give me the strength to finish what I've started. It's tough work.









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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:39 PM
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1. kick
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:44 PM
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11. "Default to Bush" Fraud documented in Broward, Palm Beach, Dade
Vote Machine Fraud documented in big Florida Touchscreen Counties
The biggest Democratic counties in Florida of Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade each had dozens of incidents of vote switching reported from Kerry to Bush, mostly and a few from Kerry to a minor candidate. As well as a much lesser number of switching in the U.S. Senate race. Poll workers told frustrated voters who were having trouble that "this has been going on all day". I have the EIRS cases for each county. This was even reported to be happening on the radio during election day.
(but no one has done anything about it?)

There were also a lesser number of cases of switching reported in Hillsboro, Sarasota, and Pinellas.
Some of these were in the U.S. Senate race.
This is clear documentation that the "Default to Bush" pattern was programed into the touch screen vote equipment in large numbers of the precincts of the big touchscreen counties. The only question is who was responsible and what to do about it.


The Florida EIRS case data that supports the vote machine fraud in the big Florida touchscreen counties, just as my previous study pointed out(www.flcv.com/fla04EAS.html) is at:

www.flcv.com/EIRSFla.html

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:50 PM
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2. PM Truth Is All
He's the best number cruncher on this site and is well connected with others. You need some help and he can provide it and give me grief about it later. All for the cause.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:58 PM
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3. On Nov 3
Edited on Tue Dec-21-04 08:12 PM by Patsy Stone
I looked at both Dade and Broward. I was surprised when I did the math. The numbers have changed since the absentees and provisionals were finalized, but the increase in votes in Broward from 2000 to 2004 was split nearly 50-50 (literally a few votes off) between * and Kerry. Really, not joking. * over * and Kerry over Gore -- 50-50 (if memory serves: 67008 - 67011).

Also, as an aside on Nov. 3 -- Castor beat Kerry in 52 counties. Martinez beat * in only one: Dade. The difference in Martinez votes to * votes was huge, about 43K. So... either 43K people showed up in Dade to only vote for Martinez, or there are a lot of screwed up Kerry voters who voted for Mel.

Martinez, btw, rec'd 300K less votes than * statewide.

As I said, this was all on Nov. 3-4, so the numbers have been "adjusted" already. But I was quite confused. Since there can be no "overvote" in Dade and Broward, and god knows there's no such thing as a paper trail, WTF???
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:45 PM
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18. Good catch. Here is some county-wide info....
Yes, I observed that also, although the numbers I have are slightly higher. I fairly certain I'm using the fully canvassed, certified results (It's been a while since I retrieved that particular set of data).

TOTAL:
Bush +67,351 over 2000
Kerry +67,312 over Gore

ABSENTEE BALLOTS
Bush +20,466 over 2000
Kerry +32,246 over Gore

EARLY VOTING
Bush +46,162 over 2000
Kerry +128,313 over Gore

(This give Kerry an increase in margin of 93,931 votes in the early voting period alone)

And.... DING DING DING!!!

ELECTION DAY:
Bush + 723
Kerry - 93,247 <------- That's a loss in votes.

Boy, Democrats sure do get out early and vote. Come on.


This is total countywide.

Even if we believe that Dems overwhelmed, strong-armed, and otherwise forced the Reps out of the early voting lines, consider this:

Republican registration increased countywide by 17,419
Democratic registration increased countywide by 77,249.

From the original thread method of determining registration change to vote change swing, there's still a (77249 - 67312) - (17,419 - 67,351) = 59,869 person swing.

This represents 6% of the total registered voters in the county. This doesn't include the registered independents, either, whose numbers increased by 76,128. We all know that independents typically break for Kerry. Even if Broward was an exception to that rule, Bush would have had to have garnered 59,869/76,128 (79%) of the independent vote to put the swing back to zero, which is what one would expect. I find it real hard to believe that even in combination, that many people switched from Gore to Bush, newly registered Democrats voted for Bush, or Bush beat Kerry in the independent vote. Especially in a landslide Kerry county.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:59 PM
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22. I know... It's Ripley's!
Good luck with this. I've wondered since I woke up and threw up on Nov. 3, what really happened here. I hope before I die I get an answer. TIA may indeed be able to help you.

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 07:48 PM
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56. I knew the election was stolen
when I saw Democratic counties in Fl in *'s favor.
I cried.
Now I am angry.
I will not rest until our Democracy has been returned to us.




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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:59 PM
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4. Thanks for this piece of work....
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Niche Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:01 PM
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5. bj great work! I'm stuck on...
"The second thing that worries me is that there has been a week or two delay in getting me some of this information, specifically the 2004 Recap report, which my contact has said needs to be redone because the wrong precinct definitions were used. That concerns me. He had previously told me they would be ready in like a day or two."


THE COVER UPS are starting to get me

:mad: & :silly:
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:46 PM
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19. It may be an honest mistake... But only time will tell. nt
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:04 PM
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6. don't know if I'll have anything to offer, but
I printed this out and am going to go read and think about it.


Cher
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:09 PM
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7. Let me see if I can answer some of your questions
Edited on Tue Dec-21-04 08:10 PM by Boredtodeath
First, I'm making the following assumptions:

1. Broward was using DRE (Touchscreen) voting for early voting.

2. When they checked in the voters, they were doing so on a computer hooked up via modem to the state voter database.

Based on these 2 assumptions above, they HAD TO KNOW the voter's precinct. The ballot you see on a touchscreen is based on your voter registration and precinct number.

Think about this.....

There are many "local" races and referendum based on your voter registration.

You don't get to vote for a local school board race in another district if your precinct is in another.

They MUST determine your precinct to determine the ballot.

They MUST determine the ballot before they can program the voter access card for the DRE.

Therefore, anyone who tells you they can't separate votes by precinct is a) lying or b) telling you the election in that precinct is bogus.

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:17 PM
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10. Yes that's correct
I voted early in Dade. I voted downtown at the Gubbmint Ctr. They took my voter's registration, checked me in on the laptop and gave me an affidavit to sign that said I voted early. On the affidavit they wrote a code for my precinct. When I went to the machine, the poll worker programmed that machine so I would have the ballot for my precinct. They did the same for my husband who voted in the same place on a different day. His code was the same as mine. I know I had the correct ballot for Miami Beach because we had two straw ballot questions unique to Miami Beach.
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:53 PM
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20. The BOE fully acknowledged that they had the information...
It was that they couldn't release it because of a Florida statute concerning voter privacy. The intent of the statute is reasonable, IMO. Back when there might have been only 1 absentee voter (or even just a few) in a particular precinct, releasing the absentee results by precinct would basically give away the vote for this particular person, who could easily be identified as the only one (or one of a few) who cast an absentee ballot.

But, times have changed. 40% of Broward County voters cast their ballot through absentee or before election day at a "supersite". This statute should not apply and needs to be addressed. And to the BOE's credit, my contact said he brought up this issue at the conference. Of course, it didn't go any further because the discussion turned to "super-precincts." By 2008, don't be surprised to see an "Election Period" in Florida, not an Election Day. This really throws wrenches and hammers and crowbars into the works of comparing past election data.

I thought I had managed to get around the limitation by getting the Recap report and the Precint-Style breakdown. But, as this gets delayed, I'm beginning to wonder.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:10 AM
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32. King county, WA does it.
I'm playing with King county data right now in fact, testing the ability to use the ratio of no-excuse-absentee ballots to the election day polls as a fraud/error detector. (Not that there was fraud in WA, just that they made the data available, so I'm exploring what the "noise floor" is in a normal election, so the data from OH will have more puch.)

So there's precident from elsewhere in the U.S. to get them to change this, at least.

Personally I find it worrisome that people are buying this line of "unified" voting systems. Having different systems, like absentee ballots, makes fraud harder to conceal if the absentee/early voting information is properly recorded and available on a per-precinct level. As long as all the systems are equal access, having different ways to cast a vote is a plus.


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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:31 AM
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33. Can you send me a copy of your data / link to where this is available? nt
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:07 AM
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34. Here is the link to King WA per-precinct data.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:13 PM
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8. This link should have some of the info you're looking for
http://www.browardsoe.org/elections/11-2-04/EL52.htm

You have to scroll down a bit to get to the President Race and then to the end of that for the ABS counts which start at 1001. I think the EV numbers might be 0801 - 0950, but it's not clear from just looking at the table.



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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:55 PM
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21. Yes, that's right. I've even confirmed it with the BOE. nt
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:16 PM
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9. Precinct-level analysis for Pinellas
I was frustrated by some of the same problems that you mentioned -- the changing boundary lines, the early/absentee voting. Kudos to you for following it further.

Below is a graph showing the 'constant precincts' for Pinellas -- at least what I initially identified. Would love to get a copy of your spreadsheet to do the same kind of graph for the Broward precincts that you've identified as constant.

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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 09:55 PM
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14. For a little different detailed analysis of Pinellas county vote pattern
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:58 PM
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26. Registration #'s are a little different. Wonder what the source was? nt
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:01 PM
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23. It's a little jumbled. Give me a week or two...

With the holidays and waiting on data from the BOE, I'd like to get it organized a little. You'd have a hard time. I haven't done a vey good job of labeling, tracking formulas, etc.... Even If I'm away from it for a few days, I have to refresh myself.

Also, how do you post a chart like that? I've got a scatterplot for the 57 precincts of increased Democrat registration vs. increased Democrat election day votes that's quite telling. Everything's skewed and consistently located in the quadrant that corresponds to higher democratic registration margins and lower democratic vote margins. Interesting to see.
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 09:17 PM
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12. Any change in 11F
I was stationed at Precinct 11f as part of the Kerry/Edwards voter protection team. The turnout was less than in prior years according to the precinct president but we thought that was due to early voting.
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:23 PM
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24. 11F is interesting actually.....
It's one of 8 precincts that have had their boundaries shifted around. In total, they have the same boundaries. The precincts are:

1F, 2F, 3F, 4F, 5F, 6F, 10F, 11F

Looking at 11F alone, there were around 300 fewer registered voters than in 2000. But, the boundary for this precinct shifted a bit.

In total, the eight above precincts had about 500 more registered voters (about 4% higher than in 2000).

EIGHT PRECINCT TOTAL:
Registration Change:
Republican: +38
Democrat: -121 (-159 Margin)

Election Day Vote Change:
Bush over 2000: -84
Kerry over Gore: -4049 <<<<DING DING DING Yes, that's 4 thousand and forty-nine fewer election day votes compared to Bush's 84.


Total Registered Voters in these 8 Precincts: 13,611
Swing: 4049 - 159 = 3890 (29.8% of registered voters)

This is an extreme case actually, and supports the point that shifting around precinct boundaries, and otherwise adding to the chaos of the election, makes it easier to hide things like this.

There were 47% fewer people (8829 in 2000 vs. 4696 in 2004) that turned out on election day to vote in these precincts. Assuming a 69% total turnout (countywide #), that means that there were 4696 early + absentee voters in these precincts (that's a weird coincidence, same # as election day voters). In order to get back to a zero swing, Bush would have had to have gotten 3890 of those votes (83%) in a precinct which voted 73% for Gore in 2000. Yes, maybe there were that many Gore voters who switched to Bush in 2004, or maybe Bush performed extremely well with the independent voters, but I don't buy that. There's at least 3000 votes that I think are questionable here.

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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:10 AM
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35. Excellent work. Keep looking at all the precincts
and report back. I have no doubt that major fraud occured with the Miami area DRE machines.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:09 PM
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40. 11f--is that Hallandale Beach? area or Pembrook Park?
I was the Assistant field coordinator @ 6317 Miramar Pkwy Miramar,Kerry/Edwards office southern Broward.
My volunteers were at Hallendale for the most part, though I did send some to The Foreman Center on University. I also spent a couple of hours out in the Pines at the big Library.

roger@51capitalmarch.com

rdanafox@yahoo.com
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:20 PM
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44. No.. 11F is northern Broward, specifically...

NW 24th St. between Lyons Rd (NW 46th Ave) and SR 91.

In total the eight precincts are bounded by Lyons Rd, NW 36th St., SR 91, & W Atlantic. This remains unchanged from 2000. (To be verified, of course with the receipt of the hard copy precinct map from the BOE)
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:28 PM
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46. Oh Ok--We saw some of the same stuff going on in the South
NEw precincts-- default Bush votes..
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 09:51 PM
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13. See documentation of huge level of voter suppression in Broward, Palm Beac
Edited on Tue Dec-21-04 09:56 PM by berniew1
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 09:58 PM
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15. And for documentation of vote machine fraud in Pinellas and others see:
Edited on Tue Dec-21-04 10:00 PM by berniew1
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:16 PM
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16. I don't know if it'll help.
http://usfnews.usf.edu/page.cfm?link=article&aid=150 refers to a book called _Mapping Florida's Political Landscape_. Sounds like it may have some background info.
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:26 PM
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25. Hmmm.. Good catch. I considered talking to this lady until I read....
"MacManus headed up the Health Services Policy Transition Team for Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and chairs the Florida Elections Commission. Bush also appointed her to his newly formed Council of Economic Advisors. MacManus also serves on the Secretary of State's Select Committee overseeing the upgrading of the political history section of the Museum of Florida History.:

Maybe I'll just get a copy of her book....
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miyzelmouse Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:35 PM
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17. Nice work/nt
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zimba Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:32 AM
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27. Excellent work. Will study further tomorrow. thanks n/t
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:29 AM
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28. kick for the night nt
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 09:49 AM
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29. kick for morning
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:00 AM
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30. Summary of Florida vote machine fraud documentation and link
Systematic vote machine fraud, "Default to Bush" has been documented in swing states such as Ohio, Florida, and New Mexico- and some of this has been observed in other states as well.
http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html
Other types of systematic fraud have also been observed in many areas.
These appear to explain the swing to Republican seen by the difference in the exit polls and official vote totals.

This means that Bush or another default candidate would get not only the votes of those who didn't notice that the intended candidate didn't register, but any intentional non votes or
accidental non votes or unsuccessfully completed votes. Quite an advantage. Under normal circumstances this would result in a swing as much as 2 to 4% in many areas. But since it is a matter of record that the default was hard to override and sometimes impossible as reported by the EIRS reports and acknowleged by poll workers, only the most watchful or purposeful voters may have been able to successfully vote for a chosen non-Republican candidate. Thus the swing was likely much larger for some machines and even more in some minority precincts that appear to have been targeted to produce high levels of misvotes based on the large number of EIRS reports in minority precincts. There were also a few cases where precincts had machines set to default for a minor party candidate, but none observed to default to Kerry. These patterns have been confirmed by analysts and computer experts in several counties of each of these
states. Other similar default related patterns have also been observed in some of these areas, such as failure to register a presidential vote when a voter tried to vote straight party line. This would result in the presidential vote going to the other “unintended” party.
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:08 AM
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31. You're really getting that one out, huh? You're posting it everywhere. nt
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:33 AM
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36. Anybody know anything about USCountVotes.org?
Looks like an extremely worthwile project to me. Doesn't look like they've gotten very far, however....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=172493&mesg_id=172493
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mgr Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:53 AM
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37. Shift of democratic votes to Bush attributed to support of Israel
As I recall, this was touted as an explanation for why Bush did so well in Broward is that he was able to tap into the Jewish vote.

Any of these precincts have a high percentage of Jewish voters? If so, you may want to compare these to precincts from Southern California or New York. In So. Cal the places to look would be Rancho Park, Sherman Oaks, the Fairfax District, and Beverly Hills, each would give you different socio-economic factors for comparison.

Mike
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:59 AM
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38. Nope. Philly, NYC Jews stayed with the Democrats
No erosion of support that I know of. We could always check the exit polls but... oh that's right, the exits are "worthless".
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mgr Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:09 PM
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41. looks like Berkeley electronic voting study might hold water afterall.
Precinct level?
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:04 PM
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39. Where can you find Reg data by by church affiliation by precinct? nt
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mgr Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:10 PM
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42. Census data. n/t
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:22 PM
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45. But by voting precinct? Maybe countwide.. I'm not familiar w/census n/t
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mgr Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:33 PM
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48. Overlay census map over precinct map
Can be done by any competent geographer with GIS experience. Census tract information is TIGER files, but dates from 2000. However, counties should also be updating the info so it should be a good snapshot. I'm sure there are several GIS savvy folk at DU.

We did this at my old Alma Mater for mapping the ethnic diversity in California as well as the US, but this was 1990. Contact any Florida University's Geography Department if you want to pursue this yourself.

Mike
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mgr Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:40 PM
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49. I was a bit too glib in first reply, apology
The census is done by tracts, that are smaller area units than county wide, but do not necessarily line up with voting precincts (though it is the census that drives redrawing precinct and district lines). The census tabulates all the pertinent information for these tracts, and they are pretty much at the same level of analysis as a precinct.

In other words, there should be a good consonance between the tract data and the precinct data, but you always ground truth it when there is a disparity between the two units.

Mike
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:44 PM
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53. Sounds to me like one of the last steps to be taken....

.. in order to debunk the debunkers. Important to acknowledge the opposing theories to explain the numbers, but I don't think I'm quite there yet. I'll keep it in mind. Again, the more the merrier here, if anyone wants to join in and help with this analysis, PM me.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:12 PM
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43. Is that data even tracked?
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mgr Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:30 PM
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47. Hell, yes, its public domain. n/t
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:51 PM
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50. Church affiliation?
I don't recall that being linked to my voter registration. How is it collected?
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Duncan Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:52 PM
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51. Church affiliation? I don't think so. (n/t)
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mgr Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:14 PM
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52. Census data will have religious affiliation, not your voter registration
Jews will identify themselves in the census tract as Jewish, this will be down to the census tract level which can be extrapolated to the precinct with little violence to the spatial disparity. The one variable might be if they are orthodox, conservative, or reform Jews. But you get around that by identifying the Synagogues in the area, they're usually in the yellow pages.

Crap, we should know it through out GOTV efforts.

I would agree that for Christians its a different matter among Protestants with all the schisms. But again, go to the yellow pages.

Mike
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:45 PM
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54. kick n/t
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anaxarchos Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 07:01 PM
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55. Nice work...

I think the "Jewish shift" issue is a red herring much like the "Hispanic shift" and other "shifts" which were proposed as "alternate" explanations when the right-wing academicians were piling on the Berkley study. The first one to bring it up, I believe, was the guy from Drexel and he was referring to Palm Beach County, not Broward. Even in PBC, the proof was purely anecdotal, as in "the media reported a shift in Jewish support for Bush... perhaps that explains", etc. etc.

The Jewish vote represents 48% of PBC but only 21% of Broward - concentrated in southeast Broward. In precincts you are talking about, it cannot be over 15%. The point is moot in any case because the "shift" is very small if you buy the adjusted exit poll data for Florida - www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/FL/P/00/... - i.e. 80/20 for Kerry in 2004.

The other disturbing thing is the total turnout in Broward is very low relative to other Florida counties.

I live in Pompano, BTW.


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dill Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:11 PM
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57. Since you're able to get information from Broward County BOE...
I'm glad you're doing this analysis, and I hope that you
will write up the information that someone else would need
to do their own, since, as you note, it is time-consuming and
painful work.

I looked over the numbers briefly, and was very frustrated
trying to understand how the "precincts" worked. There are
a bunch that correspond to real polling places, 1A through 73Z.
Then there are numbers 1 - 150 (early voting?) and absentee
1-117.

Then there is the mysterious "69V & Absentee 102" which has
no votes for the human candidates, but thousands for some
of the constitutional amendments. E.g. 15500 "yes" on
amendment 4 and 0 "no" votes. That's pretty lopsided!

I called Broward County a couple of times in November, but was
unable to get an answer (the nice lady who tried to be helpful
didn't know the answers, and the person who did know was out
of the office that week and never called back).

Anyway, a decoder ring for these statistics might be useful for
several people, including me.
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:54 AM
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58. I'll be sure to write it up completely, including definitions...

.. as soon as I get all the data and get a few hours to compile it. The time consuming part is identifying the precinct changes. I doubt anything will happen until next week, considering the delays from the BOE in getting the info to me. I've got a direct # to a reputable guy in the BOE's office. It's much easier when you can talk to someone directly as opposed to through someone.
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FloridaCrat Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 03:16 PM
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60. Hi - Thanks for your work on this.
I'm in Broward and have done some looking at of the precinct level data
earlier, but wasn't able to get clarifications of the EV and Absentee
precinct correlations to the real precint numbers. Let me know how I can
help with the next level of analysis.



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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 02:12 PM
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59. Updated documentation on Florida vote machine fraud- link
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:10 PM
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61. More cases of Default to Bush in Broward and another pattern documented al
also

More cases of Default to Bush in big South Florida Touchscreen Counties found(Palm Beach, Broward, Dade) plus a default to blank pattern in Broward that would obscure at the county level the lower undervote caused by Default to Bush. This was confirmed by EIRS cases that can be found at the following link.
Also additional counties with Default to Bush touchsreen fraud patter
Hillsboro, Pinellas, Pasco, Sarasota, Lee and more cases of default to the Repub Martinez away from Dem Castor in U.S. Senate race that was even closer than the Pres. race.
http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html
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