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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:35 PM
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Well, we didn't lose all the Southern states after all
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20041222/a_statepop22.art.htm

The 10 fastest-growing states — from No. 1 Nevada to No. 10 New Mexico — are all in the West and South. President Bush won nine of them in November's election. The exception was Delaware, ranked eighth. The Census Bureau classifies Delaware as a Southern state.

We did win the southern state of..... Delaware?????

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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:36 PM
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1. And your worthless post shows what??? (n/t)
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:43 PM
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8. thats a bit harsh
I at least got a little comic relief out of it...
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:44 PM
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9. Not really...
"Bemis" will understand.
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:46 PM
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10. guess im just on the outside of that joke n/t
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Goathead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:37 PM
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2. Last time I checked
Delaware was north and east of the Mason & Dixon line.
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rogerashton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:42 PM
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7. The Mason-and-Dixon Line goes around Delaware.
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 04:42 PM by rogerashton
But most of Delaware is as southern as Maryland, which, I believe, we also won.
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Goathead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:51 PM
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11. I stand corrected
I guess Delaware's southern border wasn't drawn by Mason & Dixon.

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rogerashton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:13 AM
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23. Nice map.
If you beat the bushes, it can be fun to find the Mason-Dixon line monuments.
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sportndandy Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:37 PM
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3. Thats obnoxious.
Delaware is a border state. Del. did not secede from the union. Delaware has voted for the presidential winner in every election except for the stolen ones.
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Goathead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:55 PM
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12. Delaware was a slave state though
Damn they didn't ratify the 13th Amendment until 1901!

During the American Civil War, Delaware was a slave state that remained in the Union (Delaware voters voted not to secede on January 3, 1861). Eight months after the end of the Civil War, however, Delaware voted on February 18, 1865 to reject the 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution and so voted unsuccessfully to continue slavery beyond the Civil War. Delaware ratified the amendment on February 12, 1901--40 years after Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 05:28 PM
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15. Maryland didn't secede either. n/t
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 06:03 PM
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19. Nor did Maryland go to Bush.
Or DC, for that matter.
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 05:38 PM
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17. Not quite every one
for Hughes 1916, Hoover 1932, and Dewey 1948 to name a few


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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:38 PM
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4. Raulbv, chill. Just shows the USA Today needs a geography lesson. nt
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:41 PM
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6. I'm just fine, thanks...
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 04:42 PM by RaulVB
"Bemis" understands...
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:38 PM
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5. Delaware is a southern state?
Since when does the Census Bureau get to classify a southern state?
:wtf:
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m.standridge Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:59 PM
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13. Hmm..."Houston, we've got a problem"
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 05:02 PM
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14. WE WON THEY CHEATED GET OVER IT!
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 05:33 PM
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16. perhaps dems might try and compete in
southern states. kerry made pretty much zero effort aside from florida to get his message to the south. a real fighter, but hey he saved a lot of money for his next campaign.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 06:00 PM
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18. He's fooling himself....
If he thinks there will be a 'next campaign' if he doesn't stand up for this one.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 06:58 PM
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20. I keep telling people...
...who dis the "red" states, and say this and that about what people in the "red" states think, that I DO NOT KNOW HOW THE "RED" STATES VOTED, and until I see some clean, fair and transparent election results, I will make no judgments.

I suspect that at least half a dozen "red" states actually went "blue."

The red state/blue state thing is silly anyway because, even in the fraudulent election results, some 45% to 49% of the voters in most "red" states voted "blue."

This is Bush Inc.'s biggest mistake, in my opinion (besides being too greedy in the manufactured votes department): You can't govern just half the country. And if you try to, your enemies will never rest until they see you stripped of your power.

The President of the United States is supposed to represent ALL of the people. This one clearly has no intention of doing so, not even on a token basis such that all Americans can feel themselves to be part of America, when they look at the President, even if they have different party membership and beliefs.

There has never been such a divisive president in my lifetime, and I don't think there has been in U.S. history (except for the unusual circumstance of the Civil War). It's not just a matter of partisanship. This goes far, far beyond partisanship, and reaches into who you are, what your religious beliefs are, how wealthy you are, and what color your skin is. If you don't fit their model of American--Bush worshiping, white, Christian fundamentalist bigot with an American flag lapel and a fat bank account--you are under suspicion and you are not really an American.

This is the most dangerous poison I have ever seen infect our society, and I lived through the McCarthy era, segregation and a lot of other bad stuff. What Bush is stirring up in people is so sick I can't even believe it. What they have done--or are trying to do--is to mainstream white Christian bigotry.

At least during segregation, when it finally got on the TV screens, the rest of society looked on aghast at the ugly face of that blatant bigotry and unfairness, and judged it to be alien and un-American, and it was EXPECTED that the president and Congress would do something about (which they did). Whatever we may think of continuing racial prejudice in our society, at least it's not legal any more.

As for McCarthyism, it spun itself out, and never had the support of the President of the United States. It, too, was an aberration that was rejected by most Americans (surprising, too, since the war on communism continued for some time).

Bush, though, is trying to mainstream the worst tendencies in western society--white tribalism, religious war, 19th century religious bigotry, "cleansed" thinking (Puritanism and Cromwellism), wealth = God's favor, witch burning, and the whole shipload of putrid baggage from old Europe that the American Revolutionaries REJECTED, and specifically sought to prevent ever taking root here, and wrote strong prohibitions against (except for white tribalism--that came later).

But, bad as this is, I have continuing faith in the sturdiness of what those Founders laid down, and in the universal principles of democracy that they formulated, and that resonate with most Americans--freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and government by consent of the people.

We should be concerned that some percentage of the people who voted in the last election (who knows what it was? --could be as high as 48%) don't believe in those principles any more, or got fooled as to what they were voting for.

Maybe Bush Triumphant, the crowned head of Holy Roman Empire II, will wake some of them up. Some percentage of them (I think about 20%) have always been with us, and always will be (those who seek illegitimate power over others--Bush's "base").

But I firmly believe--and all the evidence supports this--that Americans resoundingly rejected this phony little would be Charlemagne and his one-religion power game. They saw right through it. They voted him out.

Trouble is, they don't know it. And so that's our task--those of us who DO know it. And, really, I wouldn't buy into red state/blue state. We simply don't know where democracy-minded citizens may be found, and they are certainly far more numerous than Bush Inc. and its lapdog news media would like us to think.
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galadriel Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:03 PM
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21. Maryland also went for Kerry
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m.standridge Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:25 PM
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22. Yeah--now Maryland
IS a more or less "southern" state.
But PULEEZ, I live in the south.
This Civil War stuff is SO out of date.
Virginia is practically a BLUE state, all over again.
Did you see how VA was CLOSER than WV, even with the numbers we've got now. I mean, Richmond, VA . . .

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Dob Bole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:33 AM
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24. Bright spots....we won Maryland and DC, and picked up a house seat in GA
That's all I've got, though. Pretty bad year in the South.
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