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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:11 AM
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RAWSTORY: Oh SC Chief Justice Moyer laying groundwork for....
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Ohio's Republican Chief Justice moves to delay vote suit until after Congress certifies vote, lays groundwork for dismissal

http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/moyers_delay_122204.php

Ohio Supreme Court Chief Justice Thomas J. Moyer, a Republican who was re-elected on the same ballot as President George W. Bush Nov. 2 but has declined to recuse himself from a suit contesting the president's election, issued a motion and procedural ruling today that denies an expedited hearing in the case and lays out the framework by which he might dismiss the case. RAW STORY acquired the ruling Wednesday afternoon.

In the ruling, displayed below, Moyer orders those contesting the election to answer two questions: (1) Whether the suit is moot because it was filed too late, and (2) Whether there is a legal significance in delaying the hearing until after Congress certifies the results of the electoral college Jan. 6, 2005.

Moyer had previously dismissed the first iteration of the suit—which also contested his own election—ruling that two elections could not be challenged in the same suit.

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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:20 AM
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1. I know he was named in the original suit
but just realized that the repukes would have a strong motive to make sure he was elected since Ohio was marked for the Florida of 2004 and any contests would fall in his lap.

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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:24 AM
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3. Hence the reason for trying to have Moyer recuse himself... n/t
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:45 AM
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5. I guess I was trying to say that his race was possibly rigged also.
Is that what Arnebeck was insinuating (or outright charging)?

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:23 AM
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2. can they ask a federal court to step in?
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mostly_lurking Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:25 AM
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4. You can ask anything
However, it would be extremely unlikely for the Circuit Court to step in before the SCO rules.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:22 AM
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6. Decisions like this just further our case.
For starters the Justice violated a law that could disbar him because of conflict of interest. Now he is trying to stall the proceedings until an official Congressional certification is made. In the end, over the top behavior like this just reinforces our case for cleaning up our voting process.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:43 AM
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7. This doesn't sound like good news
If the suit was filed too late, we're in trouble. Why would Arnebeck wait until Dec. 13 if the deadline was Dec. 7? I really don't understand, but I'm not very hopeful right now.
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Calvinist Basset Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:53 AM
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8. If I remember correctly,
he had to wait because Blackwell waited until the very last possible moment to certify Ohio's votes--and the suit couldn't be filed until after the certification.
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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:31 AM
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12. How clever of him to stall the certification to delay filing of the suit
and then say "gee aren't you filing too late"!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:19 AM
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9. He's also laying the groundwork for ...
The impeachment of himself, Blackwell and others. This is an obvious attempt to red-tape a legitimate case to the point where the case is moot.

Ohio has provisions not unlike California for ejecting a bogus administration, and I now believe the ultimate goal here is to get the corrupt Ohio repukes ejected so that in 2006 and 2008 fair elections can be held.

After all, how to you get justice in a system that is corrupt and is controlled on all fronts by the people who are corrupting it? You get the people involved, just like you did in California.

Remember, in the Judges own words, "there may be fraud here."
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:22 AM
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10. Who's going to impeach them?? Certainly not the people of Ohio
or the Ohio House and Senate, and the Ohio Supreme Court isn't going to turn against Bush/Moyer/Blackwell.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:34 AM
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13. Arnebeck, and the Alliance for Democracy!
Listen if you can to some of Arnebeck's earlier interviews. He states that prior to this current Election Fraud case, Arnebeck worked for the last few years in Ohio litigating on illegal corporate contributions to 'buy' OSC appointments. Clearly the OSC Judges know Arnebeck well! Perhaps many of them are "illegitimately" appointed as well?
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:05 PM
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16. What a laugh! Arnebeck has no ability to impeach anyone!
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:24 AM
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11. TOO LATE -- WTF!!!
Didn't they have to wait a MONTH for that fuckhead Blacksick to certify the vote before they could file a suit. They delay - delay - dealy - then say "Oh - too late!" Now I'm fucking mad as hell!!!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:38 AM
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14. Repubs 'running the clock out" reeks of the guilty party
Makes me think there is a smokong gun--ANd they know it--
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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:41 AM
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15. This whole thing reminds me of a murder case where the chief
kills his wife and several of the officers are in on it. Then some of them are in on the "investigation" and the case never gets solved. Takes years and a lot of rumors till someone from another jurisdiction is allowed to investigate and then it is finally solved.

Happened in the suburbs of Chicago many years ago.
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:09 PM
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17. The Ohio SC moves at a snails pace.
Especially on issues they'd prefer not to touch.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:09 PM
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18. The Green/Libertarian/Kerry matter is not connected
so if the worst does happen to Arnebeck and Bonifaz, the other matter will still be filed tomorrow or Monday.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:09 PM
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19. This doesn't sound good.
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Doctor O Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:17 PM
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20. This thread is written by a lawyer, and
basically he and another lawyer seem to think that it is in Congress's hands now. It will probably be dismissed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x187592
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