Wasserman : based on exit polls there's no way on earth * carried Ohio

[shiina]

he tell it like it is...

"Ohio is not a democracy."
"This is 3rd world stuff."
"If we wanna live in a democracy we need to go to the Ukraine"
"It's really not possible to to a legitimate recount..."
"The fact of the matter is, we need a revote"

"THERE IS NO WAY THAT GEORGE W BUSH WON THIS ELECTION" !!
"THERE IS NO WAY THAT GEORGE W BUSH WON THIS ELECTION" !!!!!
"THERE IS NO WAY THAT GEORGE W BUSH WON THIS ELECTION" !!
"THERE IS NO WAY THAT GEORGE W BUSH WON THIS ELECTION" !!
"THERE IS NO WAY THAT GEORGE W BUSH WON THIS ELECTION" !!
"THERE IS NO WAY THAT GEORGE W BUSH WON THIS ELECTION" !!
"THERE IS NO WAY THAT GEORGE W BUSH WON THIS ELECTION" !!!!!
"THERE IS NO WAY THAT GEORGE W BUSH WON THIS ELECTION" !!!!
"THERE IS NO WAY THAT GEORGE W BUSH WON THIS ELECTION" !!!

[Goldeneye]

1. I've seen links to his post

but when I click on the link I can't find the article...could you give me a link and some directions?
Thanks

[GetTheRightVote]

2. Link info

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/23/1541230

[gulogulo]

3. Why on earth rely on exit polls when you can go and

prove the fraud by recounting the votes. You, personally.

After the "canvassing period" ends, the election records - ballots and polling books - become public record. This means that anyone can recount them if they pay for the county workers' time that it takes.

If there is (as there seems to be) a big group of DUers that is convinced that there was fraud, and who are interested in uncovering it regardless of the fact that it won't install Kerry as president - why not collect the money and do those recounts? Ohio, Florida, New Mexico - anywhere you like?

Miami Herald has already done this in 3 counties in Florida. I have seen reports of some people doing it on their own in other counties in Florida. I believe the cost of the recount in those counties was $10/hour for the time that it takes.

"But it will be too late" - too late for what? Too late to have Kerry as president - assuredly. But not too late to prove fraud, and taint Bush's second term - if massive fraud is proven.

I calculated, based on the costs of Florida recounts by people from www.recountflorida.com that the total cost of recount in Ohio that will need to be paid to the BOEs should be around $300,000. Warren county, for example, was 100,000 votes - so it should cost about $5,000 to recount. I am sure every DUer who is dead sure that widespread fraud has been perpetrated in Ohio will run, not walk, to donate/volunteer/participate in such a recount.

[anamandujano]

4. that's a tawdry replay of 2000

Gore won when the votes were counted but it was too late.

[gulogulo]

6. Gore may have won, but the discrepancies

found by the 2001 MSM recount were miniscule. Thus - no fraud. In Ohio the fraud advocates claim there was widespread fraud with machines not counting votes correctly. That would be easily proven by hand recounts. Does not seem that the people who think there was fraud are in any way enthusiastic about personally going and recounting votes, though. Care to speculate why that is?

[anamandujano]

10. ha ha ha

You are a laugh riot. "Gore may have won, but . . ."

But Bush moved into the White House, trashed the economy, started a war, killed lots of people, it goes on.

And for the next guy down who called me a crack smoker. It was found that more people in Florida voted for Gore, so Gore won Florida and the Presidency. A statewide recount showed this.

[gulogulo]

18. I see, so you don't care to prove the fraud then,

your goal is only to change the election results, right? A lot of people who advocate the fraud theory claim that their goal is to prove the fraud regardless of whether it changes the election results or not.

[anamandujano]

19. It seems your goal is to keep the chimp in power

and then say "oops" later, just like the last time. Sorry, I'm not playing.

[gulogulo]

22. There is absolutely no chance, without hard proof

of fraud, which would be either physical evidence or confession of someone who participated in the fraud, of Bush not becoming President. If you think there was fraud, though, and you can prove it decisively (and decisive means: look, I recounted, and there were hundreds of thousands of votes miscounted), even after the inauguration, Bush will become the lamest of all lame ducks. But you don't seem to want that to happen.

[mulethree]

24. Look at the Reverend Werner Lange

He checks the poll books at several counties and finds many fewer signatures than there were votes.

Another precinct had all but 10 of the registered voters vote. Someone asks around and finds more than 10 people who say they are registered, but did not vote. Next you check the poll books for these people and see if the signatures match or are recorded at all.

Merry Christmas Honey;
I always have trouble choosing a gift for you. I was going
to get a gift certificate. Instead, I sent a check and this
letter (copy enclosed) to hand count a precinct of punch card
ballots in xxxx county. I hope you enjoy this gift of truth.

I hope you have 3 hours on Wednesday to come with me and watch the counting and review the poll book.

Love Snookums

[Name removed]

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[Karmadillo]

9. Read and weep.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/111201a.html

So Al Gore was the choice of Florida’s voters -- whether one counts hanging chads or dimpled chads. That was the core finding of the eight news organizations that conducted a review of disputed Florida ballots. By any chad measure, Gore won.

Gore won even if one doesn’t count the 15,000-25,000 votes that USA Today estimated Gore lost because of illegally designed “butterfly ballots,” or the hundreds of predominantly African-American voters who were falsely identified by the state as felons and turned away from the polls.

Gore won even if there’s no adjustment for George W. Bush’s windfall of about 290 votes from improperly counted military absentee ballots where lax standards were applied to Republican counties and strict standards to Democratic ones, a violation of fairness reported earlier by the Washington Post and the New York Times.

Put differently, George W. Bush was not the choice of Florida’s voters anymore than he was the choice of the American people who cast a half million more ballots for Gore than Bush nationwide.

more...

[wicket]

11. enjoy your short stay

:nopity:

[Kellis]

15. The awol stuttering chimp

didn't win in 2000 anymore than he did in 2004.Get over it.

[mirandapriestly]

16. Typical of the ignorance of the right..

that is how bush has obtained so much power....ignorance of people like you

[banjoman]

5. since when are exit polls acceptable and accurate vs actual votes?

just because I felt like pancakes this morning, but ended up having eggs instead, do the pancakes matter if that's what I told you on the way home from the restaurant? reality check...it's over.

[politicasista]

8. BOOOO!

Sorry for my booing. I am just tired of Smirky always having his way in the election, especially with our men and women dying in his horrorfying, false war. He will leave the WH in disgrace.

[anamandujano]

12. Sometimes I just feel like yelling FREEPER but then I tell myself don't

do it, it's against the rules.

[Kellis]

13. since when!?????

LOL.You need to do some research.The exit polls were JUST fine until election 2000 when the faux Christian fuckface awol chimp was appointed.


Ever since then the GOP has tried to do away w/ exit polling.

Looks like your the one toking on the crack pipe buddy :)

[Viva_La_Revolution]

14. since the beginning of exit polling.....

For instance the Ukraine, Cuba, Venezuela, Chili etc, etc.

was nice knowing ya...

[Cyclical]

17. Hope you like pancakes.

You're saying that non-partisan exit polls, which have been regarded as the one way to safeguard/verify the electoral process since their institution, aren't as accurate as a vote whose result has been questioned and contested since before it was even happening?

Take another hit of that shit, man. The crack smoke must alter reality for you.

And, by the way, your analogy does what BushCo too often does: Oversimplifies. It's more like this:

Suppose you went to a restaurant and ordered pancakes. They bring you eggs. You complain and say that you ordered pancakes. They say that no, they're pretty sure you ordered eggs, and eggs are good anyway so can't you just eat them? You demand to see the little slip of paper that the waiter wrote your order on, but he says there wasn't one. You then proceed to say, "WHAT?! Then get me my damn pancakes, you turd! I NEEDS ME PANCAKES!!"

(Embellished for the sake of fun, cos I'm happy about Kerry's news.)

[lakeguy]

20. now THAT'S an analogy that is applicable here! nt

[MarkusQ]

21. The point is

that we asked you and the restaurant what you had after you ate. For your story to differ substantially from theirs either one of you has to be mistaken, or one of you has to be lying. Those are the only two options; yes, there are a lot of possible permutations of them (who knows, maybe you asked for pancakes, but they gave you eggs and somehow tricked you into thinking you were eating pancakes). But in any of the cases, the mere fact that the stories differ is itself indicative of a problem.

--MarkusQ

[King Coal]

23. Where is the pizza guy?

It's lunch time here.

[berniew1]

25. Need the doc. machine fraud, other fraud, and undervotes to explain swing

Documentation of vote machine fraud and widespread vote suppression and other fraud and malfeasance at
http://northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.htm
and Free Press site
and the punch machine undervotes have never been counted.