Conyers: Vote firm had remote access to machines

[rawstory]

The ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.) issued a followup letter to the president of Triad Election Systems Thursday, noting that he had confirmed that Triad Election Systems had remote access to voting machines controlled by local Board of Elections, RAW STORY has learned. The letter follows below.

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Image of letter at Raw Story: http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/conyers_triadnew_122304.php

PDF: http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/Triad_Followup_Letter.pdf

MORE: DEVELOPING: Sources on the Hill say there's more video of the Triad folks...MORE: Partial transcript of new video on the way, source says... http://rawstory.com

[sabra]

1. Wow!

So much info for one day...

Thanks for the update.

[shraby]

4. Fertilizer is hitting the oscillating blades!

[sabra]

5. What a way to end the week... :-)

[elizm]

53. What a way to START a ....

KERRY KERRY Christmas...I must say this holiday will be much easier to take than Thanksgiving (Since all of my family, besides me, are Republicans!

[AmerDem]

7. hehe

good one

[Higans]

60. Latest breaking News IMO

[TexasChick]

61. LOL!! That graphic speaks volumes...it totally rocks! n/t

[New Earth]

2. holy shit dude

that is nuts. Conyers doesnt give up!!!!! :bounce:

[Clark2008]

42. Conyers is the best!

And - I love it that he picked the issue in this letter that I have been using most in convincing people that there IS a problem with the machines.
Most people who use computers know they have to protect themselves from remote access - Spyware software, virus protection and firewalls. When they discover how little their vote was protected, they will be PISSED.
It's not rocket science.

[NVMojo]

106. too bad at least 51% of the Senate couldn't be like him .....

[sabra]

3. Remote Connection?

Isn't that security hole?

[johnny walker]

6. LOL! Its called a MODEM and a dial up connection !

Good grief!

[John Q. Citizen]

10. JW, So anyone with a phone line and a computer could access the

voting machines and tabulators?

Good grief indeed!

So why did the Triad employees have to run around opening up machines in violation of Ohio law? Don't they own a modem and a phone line?

[johnny walker]

12. They said they replaced the CMOS battery,

Last time I checked, you cannot do that over the phone!

[sabra]

14. This is for Fulton and Henry County! The CMOS was for Fairfield...

[johnny walker]

15. Whatever

So how many government office computers do not have modems or internet connectivity.

[Name removed]

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[democrat_patriot]

17. Why do you keep posting that this is no big deal?

Internet access to an office is one thing, remote access to a VOTING MACHINE is another..

What's your point here? Just because it was a slow connection it's OK?

[Name removed]

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[roseBudd]

22. Actually vote tabulators are not allowed to have networking access DUH

[FloridaCrat]

48. It could be a very small USB --- WIRELESS connection

that no one would even notice, unless they were looking for it

[harmonyguy]

58. Oh really? link please?? nt

[Clark2008]

43. Not many

It only takes a phone line and $9.95 a month.

Geesch - what planet do you live on?

[King Coal]

46. Where's the pizza guy? I'm still hungry.

[stepnw1f]

110. Must Really Get Under Your Skin?

Tis a shame.

[John Q. Citizen]

32. How did they know the battery needed replacing right then?

[King Coal]

47. Now, that is a really good point. They must have lost their connection.

Nice thinking John.

[notadmblnd]

55. so now we know what Karl Rove was doing with the network he had

set up that night.

[merh]

77. See image 3 of this slideshow

at this link http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6399124

[sabra]

13. They were able to make updates remotely...

yes it does involve a modem and a dialup... So what's your point JW?

[sandnsea]

54. Oh you need to read the letter

I'm far from a conspiracy nut on this fraud stuff, but this is not good:

Triad did not come in to adjust the tabulation software because they could, and had, done it remotely.

[Razorback_Democrat]

59. And its called ACCESS to tabulators to change election results!

wake up

this is big!

they have no reason to be having access to tabulators during an election!

anyone could rig it anyone!

[QuidditchFan]

8. It can mean a couple of things...

But the scariest would be if Triad had a program called "Terminal Services" running on the tabulating machine. This would literally allow the Triad folks to take complete control of the machine and do anything on the machine (within rights of the user) that you could do while sitting physically in front of it.

[cyberpj]

20. Agreed - we do this all the time with PCs -

As the computer geeks in our family we "service" many relatives and friends PCs - many times using a 'remote PC' program that allows us to get "into" their machines for looking around and making maintenance changes.

I'm not AS geeky as my spouse so I'll have to check with him about what kind of trail or record doing such a thing might leave.

My personal feeling is they can't have covered all their bases and won't be able to erase everything so Conyers will have to get his hands on all sorts of equipment to be able to find what they might forget to cover.

Also - as the pressure mounts, they're more likely to make mistakes now if they're still trying to clean up after themselves.

PJ

[Broken Acorn]

38. Yes, but Terminal Services is very slow, even on XP/Windows Server 2003

using T1 or high speed connection. I wouldn't think that they could do a lot of damage with the modem and a slow computer.

If anything, they probably uploaded new data sets into the root directory of their database instead of playing around on the desktop.

[s-cubed]

49. Or Rove from the old family dining room at the WH

[merh]

76. You mean image 3 on the slideshow at this link?

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6399124

[zann725]

81. Would love to see the phone records from that room!

What if someone thought ahead (disgruntled CIA/FBI-type?), and bugged the room and/or tapped Rrrove's cell phone?

I realize it's a long-shot, but could be an easy prelude to orange jump-suits!

[lonestarnot]

89. Me tooooooo!

[NVMojo]

107. to bad they don't subpoena Rove's cell phone records....

some companies purge the records from their systems after 90 days ....found that out when involved in a court case last year ....if you don't act soon enough, the evidence is gone ...

[Higans]

62. Big Security hole.

He said it is regular practice for these tec's to "adjust" the machines for recounts in all 48 counties. How many have been adjusted that we don't know about????? do they have remote access to these Machines? Can they "Adjust" them remotely? The biggest question of all:

"How much time did the hackers have to rig this election? & What if anything is any politician doing to ensure transparent elections with independently audited paper trails verifiable to the voters?"

[Igel]

74. Yes.

Sigh. It's required by *state law*: you only count what you're counting. So you update the software. Doing what's required is always a good cover story.

I see lots of people saying "could've, could've" and presupposing "did, did".

[lonestarnot]

90. Why don't you give their offices a call and find out?

[mother earth]

9. Can it be?

Am I wrong or is there a whole lot more that Conyers and the Dems have been working on behind the scenes. Can the Republicans deny this one? Remote access would obviously give them carte blanche. My Christmas spirit has just been lifted to a new level.

[KoKo]

19. How many machines all across the country are "remotely connected?"

How about SC, Florida , Georgia and Nevada?

I might be too optimistic but isn't this the info we've needed? Now, to track down what was being done on the machines... If something was done in Ohio....it was done everywhere and leads back to 2000 Election and the Midterms!!! HUGE!

Subpeona the technicians!

[roseBudd]

26. Triad has contracts in 5 states according to dumb daughter Cheryl

CHERYL WROTE ON A TAXIDERMY FORUM:

A Better Way?
This response submitted by Cheryl Bellucci on 5/25/99. ( [e-mail] )



Hmmm... I've been reading this thread about numbers on ballots with interest. You see, I work for a company which counts ballots for county boards of elections in five different states. In fact, I got to count ballots in an election in Alaska last month... uh, maybe I shouldn't bring that up.

The problem with ballots is that they must be unique, that's where the numbers come into play. I agree with Michelle that in this day and age, it is very easy to reproduce colored items (observe the massive undertaking our government is going through with the redesign of our paper money). With the system we use, the ballots have unique stub numbers that are assigned to each voter. Those stubs are torn off and at that point the ballot is "disassociated" with the number... BUT, that is done at the polling place where someone has verified your identity. That is very hard to do when mailing comes in to play.

Absentee ballots are available, and they involve a series of requests and signatures... not quite the same as in this case.

My question would be... what happens to the ballots once the CPA has finished counting them? Are they returned to the NTA? If so, is it possible the CPA could tear off the number once tabulation is completed? (A ballot could be designed to fill that request.) If not, then there should not be a problem, right?

As for ballot-box-stuffing, when you have an organization with the amount of members of the NTA, stuffing the ballot box wouldn't be that hard to do, especially if there is a lot of apathy in the organization and people don't return their ballots.

Michelle, I'd be interested in knowing what percentage of the ballots come back, can you find that out?

I will agree with one thought I've seen brought up in different threads... if the NTA Board is concerned with what it's membership is thinking, one of them should stroll through here every once in a while and answer some questions and address some issues. Granted, not everyone has the time to "live online", but this is a pretty vast community here, and the NTA is doing itself a disservice by ignoring it.

[merh]

78. rosebud57, have you seen these inquires by Belluci?

ADVISOR FORUM Advisor.Forum.MS-VisualFoxPro

From: Cheryl Bellucci
Date: Tue 01/25/2000 at 08:44 AM
Subject: That's Great... but...
Response to: ODBC Example?
Message: I have my connection set up in my Project, but how do I access the Remote View?
Thanks for the info so far!

http://advisor.com/dMSVFP001.nsf/0/C98B12F1576AD6164404FFBB67EE3DDE?OpenDocument

Reply to Message
Categories:
From: Eduardo Azambuja
Date: Sat 01/22/2000 at 08:47 AM
Subject: Re: ODBC Example?
Response to: ODBC Example?
Message: You can do that by several ways. Let me show you a simple way:
1) In VFP Command Window, type MD C:\ODBCTEST
2) In VFP Command Window, type CD C:\ODBCTEST
3) In VFP Command Window, type MODIFY PROJECT MyProj. Project Manager - MyProj window appears.
4) Select Data Tab, click New button. Save window appears.
5) Click Save. Database Designer - data1 window appears. Also, Database Designer toolbar appears.
6) On toolbar, move mouse over buttons and read the tip label. When you see "New Remote View", click over that button. New Remote View window appears.
7) Click New View button. Select Connection or DataSource window appears.
8) Select option Avaliable Datasources, select MS Access Datasources.
9) Click OK button. Select Database window appears.
10) On Directories, select that directory where Access database is located.
11) On database name, select the Access database name. (e.g.: MyAccess.mdb), and click OK button. Open window appears.
12) Select one of access tables displayed. Click Add button. Click Close button.
13) On View Designer window, click Add all button.
14) Close the View Designer window. When asked about "Save changes made on Visual1", click Yes button. Save window appears.
15) Type the view name (e.g.: ACCESSREMOTEVIEW1) and click OK button.
16) Now, you created a remote view having an Access table as datasource. Double-click the view to browse data.

Remarks
* This "schema" applies to VFP 3,5,6.
* By this way, you created a remote view from a table. If you need data filtering, you must to modify the view and set it properly.
* I supose ODBC settings and drivers are done.
* For more about VIEWS/ODBC usage, see VFP documentation (Help/On-line Documents) or visit VFP,MSDN,TECHNET Microsoft sites.

Eduardo Azambuja
MCP - Visual FoxPro - BRAZIL

http://advisor.com/dMSVFP001.nsf/0/5FDDE32CA91FF7B3AA26E338D22D44CE?OpenDocument

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From: Cheryl Bellucci
Date: Tue 01/25/2000 at 08:44 AM
Subject: That's Great... but...
Response to: ODBC Example?
Message: I have my connection set up in my Project, but how do I access the Remote View?
Thanks for the info so far!

http://advisor.com/dMSVFP001.nsf/0/C98B12F1576AD6164404FFBB67EE3DDE?OpenDocument

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Categories:
From: Cheryl Bellucci
Date: Tue 01/25/2000 at 09:07 AM
Subject: Never Mind! Figured it out!
Response to: ODBC Example?
Message: Guess I just stared at the manual until it sunk in! Thanks for your help!

http://advisor.com/dMSVFP001.nsf/0/DE5A05174F87147C36D719B49064DAD1?OpenDocument

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Categories:
From: Cheryl Bellucci
Date: Friday 21 Jan 2000 at 14:03 PST
Subject: ODBC Example?
Message: Can anyone point me to a good ODBC example? Specifically, I want to retrieve data from an Access database through VFP6.0.
Thanks!

http://advisor.com/dMSVFP001.nsf/0/0CE87B6DFB27DCB6DE06EEEA8F34E2A6?OpenDocument

[merh]

79. Or this one?

MESSAGE
Subject: WinExec Failed Cheryl Bellucci
From: Cheryl Bellucci
Category: General Xenia, United States
Version: Visual FoxPro 6 Date: April 4, 2003
Hello All!

I need to interface a VFP6.0 program with a FW2.6 program. I'm using RUN right now, but I've seen the posts where that isn't a good idea. I agree, because we sometimes get "WinExec Failed, Code=24" on some W2K computers. In fact, we can have the program run fine for a while, but once we get the error, it seems to be "broke" forever.


PUBLIC gcSYSMemFile, gcPath
STORE FILENAME(M.SY_TempDir + "\" + SYS(3) + ".TMP") TO gcSYSMemFile
SAVE ALL LIKE SY_* TO (M.gcSYSMemFile)
STORE "F:" + M.gcSYSMemFile TO gcSYSMemFile
STORE "P:" + SET("PATH") TO gcPath
STORE FULLPATH("VISVF2FW.EXE") TO gcEXE
STORE STUFF(M.gcEXE, AT(".EXE", M.gcExe), 4, "") TO gcExe

And the actual run command is:

RUN /N &gcEXE &gcSYSMemFile &gcPath "R:VRR001.EXE" -T

Any suggestions on how to "fix" the WinExec error? And any suggestions on the "best" way to do what I want? (Okay, besides converting all the FPW2.6 code to VFP... we're working on that! This is just a workaround until that is completed.)

Cheryl A Bellucci
TRIAD GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEMS, INC
(who now uses her Foxite lunchbox to carry lunch to work!)

http://www.foxite.com/archives/0000021943.htm

[Niche]

82. Merh, have you gotten these docs out to Conyers?

[merh]

85. No, I found them last night

If you want to forward them go ahead. I wasn't sure if others had found them and had sent them on.

I just found them interesting as their programmer was trying to figure out how to use fox pro to remotely get to an access program, if I am reading them correctly. Do they mean anything? Someone needs to capture and save the images if they do.

[embrace_uncertainty]

98. Or what about this one?

What about this one?

Subject: Accessing MS Access MDB with VFP6 - Quickly
Cheryl Bellucci

From: Cheryl Bellucci
Category: ODBC & ADO & OLEDB
Xenia, United States
Version: Visual FoxPro 6
Date: March 18, 2004

I have a VFP6 application that reads/updates a series of Access MDBs through Remote Views stored in DBCs. I know I can sort the Views through DBC set up, but my question is: Even if the view is sorted on a field, and I know the value of the field I want... How can I get to that record quickly?

For example: One table is sorted on transaction id (TranID). I know the TranID of the record I want. I can't use SEEK... how do I get to the one record (out of 100,000 or more) quickly? Currently I am using LOCATEs, but is there a better way?

Thanks!
Cheryl A Bellucci
TRIAD GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEMS, INC

http://www.foxite.com/archives/0000039405.htm

[KnowerOfLogic]

52. Subpeona the phone records and compare to spikes in Bush vote. nt

[KittyWampus]

73. Hmmm. Phone Logs...

[xxqqqzme]

11. I am so glad I'm

going 2 DC 4 the Jan 6 demonstration. 1/6/05 becomes a 12/12/00 marker.

[euler]

18. To prove fraud, you have to....

...prove that someone dialed in and changed the votes. Has anyone done that yet ?

[eomer]

23. Stay tuned (n/t)

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

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[euler]

30. Wow, you have me there...

hahahaha

[pick_a_dilly]

29. a better question . . .

how are the ReThugs gonna prove they did not cheat!!!!
THEY CAN NOT . . .

this is a fer sure fuming firearm!!!!!!

[euler]

31. They won't have to... n/t

[Junkdrawer]

24. SUPOENA....PHONE...RECORDS....

Enough said.

[roseBudd]

28. and the punch card ballots that will not match the tabulator tallies

unless the thief swapped in new ballots and then they won't have fingerprints of all the voters who should have handled them...

[Clark2008]

45. That would prove a dial-up remote access

But, if it was a direct VPN.

That can also be proven, however, by checking the network, which keeps a record of all activity. Easy.

[Igel]

75. VPN?

I thought the software was running under DOS?

[idealista]

104. I hope the phone co. can be trusted.... better than the SOS, FBI.... n/t

[euler]

27. You won't like this, but...

...this is not a big deal. Remote access is a feature that the county would have known about when they selected TRIAD as their vendor. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the county actually mandated remote access in order to reduce down time for machines that aren't working. When something goes wrong with the computer ON AN ELCTION DAY, you don't have time to wait for a technician to drive to the precinct. Remote access cuts response time down to a minimum which is important for events (like a election) that will be over at the end of the day.

I have only a few posts so I must be stupid. Nevertheless, I can gaurantee you that this is a big nothing.

[pick_a_dilly]

33. but my newbie friend it is also ...

illeagal ---- is it not?????

i am gonna go to FR now and have some fun!!!!!!

[euler]

34. I've seen nothing saying it's illegal. Got a link ? n/t

[democrat_patriot]

44. Euler - think it's OK for remote access to a VOTING MACHINE?

If so, I'd like to hear why you thinks it's allright.

[shraby]

64. It is illegal to tamper with a voting

machine, with ballots, with registrations. Try it and get caught some time and you'll find out how legal it is.

[FogerRox]

35. you are right this happens a lot--

how does it play on the 6pm news


ROVE had remote in hand during election000000000000

[KeireG]

37. This is unbelievable!

A whistleblower with proof of the dialing-in is going to come forward, I just know it.

[liam97]

39. are you saying

that just because it is technically possible to alter election results it is ok to do so?

[rabid_nerd]

56. The issue here is that the integrity of a voting machine trumps the uptime

I've programmed systems insured to draw lotto numbers for potential $1 Million prizes a day.

Once the code and server was locked down and secured by a third party, access to it had to be approved by the insurance company.

The insurance company had no access without us, we had no access without them, and the datacenter did not know the password. and the server called out to our server and downloaded it's "final day entry lists" which it locked down, then drew it's numbers and sent them to us.

(For something secure enough, we abandoned our Windows Shop mentality and I programmed it on Unix)

Yeah it was all on the internet, but the emphasis was on removing access and the ability to maintain/modify.

With the voting machine, the system should be built solid state enough to not need remote access administration.

I _could_ see the ability to have a phone/network port on the machine
to transfer data pre/post-election, however during the election, unless something is wrong the system should be closed.

If something goes wrong, someone qualified should be en route to get on-site to fix it no matter the cost. Plan B should always be available.

[Straight Shooter]

72. I like concise, logical explanations from those who have experience

Thanks, rabid_nerd. I just learned a lot from reading your post. Sometimes it's best to turn the situation around, and instead of asking, "Why did you do this," we should be asking, "Why did you do this?"

It seems to me they deliberately left a hole wide enough for a Mack truck to drive through, and then will defend themselves on the premise that that's the way they've been doing it.

[lonestarnot]

67. Don't like "this" or any REPULSIVE CHEAT'N FEATURE OR WASTING TIME WITH

REPUKES

[kk897]

36. reminder: much of Ohio is under Snow Emergency 3 conditions

I don't know if US Reps have special dispensation, but in those areas, travel is forbidden, I believe. Where I live, in Franklin Cty, it's level 2, which I understand is emergency travel is OK (but they seem to be clearing the main roads pretty well).

I guess my point is that if any physical action is to be taken, such as impounding machines, it will be a very slow process. I know we're all whipped into a fever pitch by now, but there's a hell of a lot of ice out there cooling things down. I, for one, am trying to improve my waiting skills.

Also, totally (not really) unrelated: does anyone know if Father Maurice Blackwell is related to our own Kenny? I did an initial search and found nothing, but maybe someone here knows? Father B., a pedophile priest who was shot by a victim, has been on CNN about twice an hour, and I saw his picture. Perhaps a family resemblance?

[merh]

96. Do you think they are related?

<> <>

[Pithy Cherub]

40. The Honorable J. Conyers should also look at SLA's

(Service Level Agreements) to see what the scope of service is for each vendor and how the BOE's used them.

Just need a person to crack under pressure.... :)

[farmbo]

41. This sure as hell explains the Warren Co "Terror Lock down" on Nov 2nd!

Phony FBI and DHS agents giving phony "Terror alerts" to a single, semi-rural county where Republicans have total control of the courthouse...

The public and the press are summarily excluded from the courthouse and the BOE retreats to their central tabulation room, no doubt with their helpful Triad Governmental Systems technician at their side...

With computer remote access to 41 other Ohio counties' tabulators, they would only have to flip 1500 or so votes in each county to steal the election...

And democracy in the process.

:grr:

[FogerRox]

51. yup--frigiin could be --- BINGO

[Liberty Belle]

69. Kick! Send this thought to Arnebeck and Conyers, ASAP!

:kick:

[farmbo]

83. Already have...eom

[mattclearing]

84. I have a feeling they are aware of this...

seeing as how that has been the main suspicion regarding the Warren County lockdown from the start.

[bunny planet]

88. Most def, I can smell Warren County from NJ. That place has to be

vote theft central. The lying lockdown story is just too suspicious for words. The fact that they thought that story wouldn't draw questions is a bit weird though, they had to know how bad it would look to have a phony FBI terror warning that turned out bogus. Either they were desperate, because they thought they might not need to shave votes (after so much other suppression and disenfranchisement had taken place) or it's a red herring to focus us on Warren County. So much fraud, so little time. We'll catch them though, I think they got big time sloppy in a lot of ways. Very soon, their cover-up is going to start to be like squeezing jello. Can't wait.

[roseBudd]

95. Actually Warren County lockdown goes to only 1 person in Warren

County.

Frank Young, Emergency Services Director. He originated the story and the dumb, unquestioning Warren County officials bought into it.

Either Frank Young is a patsy and someone pretending to be FBI contacted him and fooled him or Frank Young is in on it.

[lonestarnot]

91. Can't stand it!

:argh: :nuke: :mad: :smoke:

[mzmolly]

50. Oh my word!

:wow:

This is getting soooo juicy!

[mdb]

57. I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet

But for Triad Election Systems having remote access and relating Hocking county. In Hocking county where the Triad technician went to repair the computer.

Sherole Eaton said he proceeded to go to the room where the tabulator was and she had her back to him when he turned the computer on. So this computer was off. So they couldn't have connected to this one computer remotely.

[dlaliberte]

63. Hmmm, maybe that's why he wanted the machine powered on

Recall Michael Barbian gave the excuse that the batteries need to recharge, so please leave the computer on overnight. Maybe it wasn't anything to do with batteries, but they needed to have remote access to hack the system. And the fact that the machine was not on prevented them from getting that access, so they had to pay a courtesy call.

I had previously thought that he wanted the machine on because he had installed an in-memory hack that would disappear as soon as the machine was rebooted. But they are not that sly - remote access makes more sense.

[mdb]

70. Actually

He said don't turn the computer off. Never saying for how long to keep it on.

Sherole Eaton said he went back into the tabulation room. Shortly after that he (illegible) stated that the computer was ready for the recount and told us not to turn the computer off so it would charge up.

[roseBudd]

86. The battery that holds CMOs does not need to "charge up" n/t

[eomer]

65. It would have been turned on while they were tabulating

both during the election count and during the recount.

[lonestarnot]

68. Slick observation... We all know he was up to no good! Stinks and

RESTINKS!

[lonestarnot]

92. Precisely!

Yuck ...have you seen this guy in response to questioning by documentary report on truthout? :puke:

[lonestarnot]

66. Those DIRTY FUCKS!

Cheat'n stink'n lousy MFrs!

[nolabels]

97. But ya know this is just mostly old news to many at DUer land

So everybody else makes a big deal out of it now that they all have been caught red handed, better late than never :shrug:

[lonestarnot]

100. Yes this old news to duerland, red handed is a big fucking deal! You

can't break a dog from shitting on the rug till you catch it!

[nolabels]

102. Even though my dogs smell better than most republicans

I still don't let either in my house

[lonestarnot]

108. Hope you don't live in Alaska and Merry Christmas!

[KoKo]

71. Why hasn't "Buzzflash" picked up on any of this. Not even Kerry's

press release today is up on their site. Or, at least it wasn't an hour ago when I checked. I've been reading all this good news today both at "Rawstory" and "TruthOut," yet the "Buzz" is silent...

Anyone know why they aren't commenting?

[George W. Hayduke]

80. KICK

[RubyCat]

87. Subpoena the Triad phone logs on election night

to see what machines in what counties they accessed. And then do a hand recount of those counties.

[lonestarnot]

93. Yep!

[Darkhawk32]

94. Audit the event logs in the Administrative Tools on each computer n/t

[berniew1]

99. Theres also a little on that here- link

http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

[wiggs]

101. For the 100th time....where is the FBI?

It is frustrating that the media doesn't pick up on this stuff. But I've written them off and I don't care about them anymore.

I REALLY REALLY care that more congressmen and the FBI aren't all over this. Just the suspicion that Triad has remote access to voting tabulators should be enough to have investigators crawling all over Mr. Rapp, his offices, and Triad's phone logs.

Can the potential for remote access be proven? For what legitimate reasons would Triad need access? Who, specifically, knew about the access and controlled it? What can be done with remote access? When did Triad use this remote access? These are NOT hard questions to answer. We need the answers now.

WHY ISN'T THE FBI ASKING AND ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS?

Mr. Conyers is amazing, but it isn't his job to investigate federal crimes. Has he personally asked the FBI to do something? What has their response been?

This is unbelievable. It looks like the FBI is working for someone besides the American people and the constitution.

It seems to me that the issue of remote access, alone, is enough to call the election into question. Prima facie evidence of fraud, IMHO.

If remote access is proven, the election has no integrity.

[shraby]

103. What about Delaware county

the one that is/was fighting the recount? They went to court to get that county to recount and I haven't heard what happened. Wonder why they didn't want to recount..hmmmmmmm

[NJCher]

105. ding ding ding

This is unbelievable. It looks like the FBI is working for someone besides the American people and the constitution.

Sybel Edmonds pretty much proved that, as has the FBI's behavior over the years. They'll go ape over a product knockoff but when it comes to the interests of the American people, nobody's home.

In fact, just about every federal agency has proven itself in the employment of global corporations. FDA? Look at the problems with Celebrex and Vioxx.

In NJ a group of citizen activists have filed against the FAA for being in the hands of the airline industry and not taking the interests of the citizens into account when it comes to flight patterns over the state.

I could cite many, many more examples but I in the interest of brevity, I'm sure you get the point.


Cher

[IndyPriest]

111. "Mr. Kevin R. Brock, FBI Special Agent in Charge"

Conyers has been sending copies of all of his letters to this guy. Have no idea who he is or what he's been doing. But I bet he gets a paragraph in whatever book will be coming out!

[megalith]

109. See: Was TRIAD testing out new Total Election Management System

Take a look at my post to this thread
<Was TRIAD testing out new Total Election Management System>

For explanation.

Orren Whiddon
SE Ohio Co-ord
Green Party Recount