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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 07:53 PM
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Bean spill one: Over the last 3 weeks I have lost so much...
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 07:57 PM by God_bush_n_cheney
It began with the loss of my dear sister Janice...Before I go much further...let me tell you about courage. Janice died from a disease called sarcoidosis. Her lungs were scarred horribly from this disease and she had about 20% lung capacity. Everyday was a challenge for her to merely breathe. Through the man many years of her illness she never once complained...and in fact the day she died she was in her kitchen doing the one thing she loved the most. Cooking dinner for her husband. Janice and I never saw eye to eye on politics but she was my sister and I loved her.

When she was hospitalized in early November I wanted to go home but the issue of voting fraud and voter disenfranchisement was about to hit big time on November 2nd...Bev asked me at that time to stay because as she put it "We have worked for this moment for the last 2 years". I did not complain because the cause was too important and I figured I would be able to go home either Thanksgiving or Christmas to see her. But then Florida came up and off we went chasing down the fraud that was in Florida.

Now about the fraud in Florida. What a long involved story that was...We arrived in Orlando Nov 12th and immediately (after a red-eye flight) to visit several of the counties we had sent FOIA requests to. One of them being Volusia. Kathleen and I went in the first day and were politely rebuffed. At that point since it was Friday we decided to stay the weekend and return on Monday...After meeting with Deanie Lowe and her reluctant production of records...we discovered that the poll tapes provided were printed on the 15th of November. This was not acceptable...returning to the office Deanie told us to "go to the warehouse the next morning" Lana Hires was not amused and told Deanie we should come back to the office. Bev made the decision that we would return to the warehouse the next morning.

In the meantime...Ellen Brodsky of Broward county called and said she had evidence she wanted us to see. She drove to Orlando but got in very late...after Bev had gone to bed so Bev decided that Ellen should stay the night in Orland and that I would interview her the next morning. So That is what I did. Now about 9:30 am Bev called and said she was being accosted by the police...and I should come right away. Which is precisely what I did. Ellen Brodsky drove me as we followed Russell Michaels and Andy ???? who were filming the votergate movie. No keep in Mind DeLand is at least 45 minutes from Orlando Ellen B is elderly and was afraid to drive much over 70 but bless her she was giving her it all. Along the way...Bev was calling insisting it only took her "20 minutes this morning" unless she was doing 100 mph I don't see how this was possible. Never-the-less I assured her I was on the way and would be there soon...soon was not soon enough. The police were done "accosting" her by this time and I was informed to meet her at the elections office. For the remainder of the day I was berated...told I was "dropping the ball" that "I was working for the other side" (the term she uses if you are against her) and that the board was going to hear about this.

Well things calmed down and we got back to the business of auditing Volusia's records. Now I can say without a doubt there were problems of a huge magnitude. how do I know? I found them...I was the one who for the divergent totals on the tapes printed on the 2nd and the 15th. I was the one who discovered that there were no poll worker signatures...I was the one who saw there were missing totals and zero tapes. Yes Bev fished some of the tapes out of the trash and was the one making a big bluster...I found the problems.

Now fast forward to the day we served Ms LePore her papers. We had been given the location of and a schedule for the Florida Supervisors of Elections meeting in Orlando. The decision was made to serve Theresa there since we had had a hard time getting a response to the FOIA's. We decided that we would give her service while she was giving her speech on records retention. Despite what the press has said this was not billed as a retirement party. Kathleen Bev and I entered through a door in the back of the room which was where the podium was...There sat Ms LePore...Bev sauntered up on the stage and told her this was a courtesy service of a lawsuit which had already been filed in West Palm. I said "And for you counties that have not complied...we have more of these coming to you". After we ran (literally) back to the hotel room...there were high fives and Bev was congratulating us (Kathleen and I) on a job well done. She was very happy whit what had transpired and her assertion that I made public officials "uncomfortable" well that was what she had planned from the start. I merely played the part I was instructed to do. Now keep in mind this was the day after I was told Janice had died.

Wed morning at 6:30 I flew home to be with my family...I thought I had the time off to grieve. I was wrong. Bev as her habit has me as her point of contact if her voice mail was full or if she did not answer her phone (which was almost always...and let me say...she has caller ID but in the months on the road with her she never once looked at it when someone was calling in). From the time I arrived home I was getting calls from everyone in the world asking about BBV. I would not have minded had it not been for my sisters death. Bev even was calling me asking me work related questions. I was not really happy about this situation but tolerated it for the cause.

Now when I returned to Seattle...I was relayed information about certain things Bev had said regarding my sisters death. The person that told me not to relay this information and I will keep his name and what was said private...But trust me it was vile and reprehensible. So disturbing in fact I decided then and there to leave the movement. I spoke to Randi Rhodes on the phone and informed her I was looking for a new situation. She was disturbed that I was not working with Bev any longer and it is very funny Bev said she did not know because I was informed today that she had already made the decision to "fire" me. How do you fire someone who has left?

Now, I need to back up a moment and relay what I know about the Keith Olberman story. While I was at home, I received a page on my cell phone regarding the KO story on his blog. I called Bev and informed her about it and she literally flew into a rage. Now I cannot say for sure whether or not KO's people called her or not but I can relay that I never received a call from them. But if they did call I can guarantee that Bev A. Did not pick up the phone and B. They were unable to leave a message. I can also confirm that on more than one occasion that I took calls from reporters that told me that Bev was "the rudest woman they had ever talked to". I can attest to her handling of many phone calls...she has been rude and has berated people just as she has berated me. Her standard excuse is "I am tired and this line is for tips and media calls". Ummm excuse me...that was the media calling Bev. I am amazed that she has not garnered more bad press than she has due to her handling of phone calls. What I find funny is her accusation that I mishandle phone communications when she herself is very guilty of it.

Now I know this thread is not much of a major bean spilling...but I am just getting started the next few installments are going to be far more informative and will include some documents...as well as information on people Bev has now effectively "left out hanging to dry" a phrase she used when she told me I had to defend her actions here at DU. She told me if I had to get tombstoned defending her then so be it. After hearing what she said about my sister I was unwilling to do that...again she threatened to tell the board of my actions. I said go ahead. Basically she was looking for a loyalty oath. Apparently taking myself and Termite to the edge of financial ruin was not enough of a loyalty test for her. More on that in the next installments. I started with Florida but I am going to go farther back and move forward in the next few installments. I will be talking about David Dill, Avi Rubin, Roxanne Jekot, Eloriel and several others that have been deemed to be "working for the other side" .

Fasten your seatbelts...it's going to be a bumpy night.

Andy


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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:00 PM
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1. Wow.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:15 PM
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12. and another
well, I'm convinced.

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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:01 PM
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2. Thank you for sharing your story with us

I am so sorry for what you went thru while your sister was ill and passed away. I lost my father while I was away and it still hurts me today.

:hug:
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:03 PM
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3. I can verify that this is true.
He has told me some of this already, but this has more details.

:hi: :loveya:
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:07 PM
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4. Andy, thank you for your dedication to this fight. So sorry for your loss
and the painful and unfair situations you have had to deal with. :hug:
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:07 PM
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5. Dear Andy,
Thank you for writing and I believe every word you say. You certainly didn't deserve any of this. I was once the victim of an abusive boss. And, it is very strange the way it effects psyche. I am glad that you are free of the situation.

I'm just sorry that two people working on such a worthy cause had to see it end this way. But, thank you from the bottom of my heart for all of your efforts.

And, most of all I'm sorry that you didn't have more time with your sister, and that you had to see her suffer so. I worked with many patients who had sarcoidosis over the years, and I know the suffering all too well. Please, have a happy holiday and know that all of our love and prayers go out to you and your family.


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burned Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:07 PM
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6. keep going
We've got your back.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:08 PM
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7. P.S. 'The Board'
includes three family members of Bev.

*koff*
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DTinAZ Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:17 PM
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13. are you sure?
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 08:23 PM by DTinAZ
Bev claims that there's only one family member. Can you identify the three and their actual relationships to Bev?

Here's the link from one of her forums where she contradicts this:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/dcforum/DCForumID4410/84.html

(edit: link added)
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:18 PM
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14. Family "Board" members...
Isn't that sort of like family judges on a beauty contest?
I mean which one is really going point out that little
Cindy Lou is ugly, inside and out?
BHN
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the ether Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:02 PM
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35. damn andy, all I can say is to......


take a deep breath, close your eyes, and exhale


I've known that Bev has had issues with other activists, but I thought her merrits outweighed her negative side.


Anyway, it's your right to set the record straight for whatever has happened, so keep spilling as many beans as you have, I'm sure you'll feel better afterwards.


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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:08 PM
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8. Hang on, Andy.
Keep the faith, whichever one you have.

Hugs from just another DUer who appreciates what you are doing.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:09 PM
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9. my condolences on the lost of you sister and a major thank you for
all you have done for all of us

:pals:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:52 PM
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29. It sounds like you are a wonderful brother!
Even though you stated that you didn't always agree politically, I'm certain your sister was very, very proud of you! You should take comfort in believing that! Thank you for your sacrifice and for your dedication and service! Cheers to the fight for honor, integrity and the preservation of our democracy! :toast: You are a true patriot!
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NC Beach Girl Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:13 PM
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10. Thank you...
Thank you for sharing your story, Andy.

I'm truly sorry for the loss of your sister as well as the nasty things you've had to go through during your efforts to expose the horrible voting systems. I know there are well run organizations out there who would welcome you with open arms and treat you with the respect you deserve, please don't give up. :hug:
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:13 PM
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11. I love you Andy.
I think you will feel much better getting this all
off your chest.
Your Friend and Admirer,
BHN
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:22 PM
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15. Andy, please be very careful and very guarded in what you say.
I have suspected for some time that Bev is in "self-destruct" mode, and when personality-types like hers fear they are going down, they will lash out and take as many people as possible with them.

What you share here is among (mostly) friends. But please, do NOT tell this story to the media! I know it's tempting, but the woman is crazy enough to sue you for the change in your pockets.

Those of us who have read up on the history KNOW there are problems - and (at least, as far as I am concerned) your name and character are clean. So, share what you will, but again, I urge caution about going "public" (we are, after all, "underground!").

Peace to you, and my condolences on your sister's death.

Ruth

PS - Be sure to take time to grieve - it's a long process, and you need to work through that, too. Peace.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:51 PM
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53. Bev Harris
isn't going to sue anyone. I have listened to her make this threat dozens of times and she has yet to make good on it. She likes to use the threat to intimidate people.

Besides, Andy has said nothing actionable and saying it here is no different than saying it to a reporter. This is a public forum.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:25 PM
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16. Thank you, Andy, for your courage to share the truth with us.
I am deeply sorry for the loss of your sister.

I know this has been a very hard time for you. I hope that sharing your story will help you to know that so many of us here care for you.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:27 PM
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17. Wow...I can't say much more
I have been mainly watching from the "sidelines" and never posted many thoughts on the BBV situation here. I am so sorry what you have gone through and I can tell that you are well respected here and have a lot of support.
I wish you well.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:39 PM
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18. Here's my favorites to you
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 08:42 PM by shraby
May the road rise to meet you.
May the wind be always at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face.
And rains fall soft upon your fields.
And until we meet again,
May God hold you in the hollow of His hand.

May you live as long as you want,
And never want as long as you live.

Always remember to forget
The things that made you sad.
But never forget to remember
The things that made you glad.

Always remember to forget
The friends that proved untrue.
But never forget to remember
Those that have stuck by you.

Always remember to forget
The troubles that passed away.
But never forget to remember
The blessings that come each day.

May the saddest day of your future be no worse
Than the happiest day of your past.

May the roof above us never fall in.
And may the friends gathered below it never fall out.

May you have warm words on a cold evening,
A full moon on a dark night,
And the road downhill all the way to your door.

May there be a generation of children
On the children of your children.

May you live to be a hundred years,
With one extra year to repent!

May the Lord keep you in His hand
And never close His fist too tight.

May your neighbors respect you,
Trouble neglect you,
The angels protect you,
And heaven accept you.

May the Irish hills caress you.
May her lakes and rivers bless you.
May the luck of the Irish enfold you.
May the blessings of Saint Patrick behold you.

May your pockets be heavy and your heart be light,
May good luck pursue you each morning and night.

Walls for the wind,
And a roof for the rain,
And drinks beside the fire -
Laughter to cheer you
And those you love near you,
And all that your heart may desire!

May God be with you and bless you,
May you see your children's children,
May you be poor in misfortune, rich in blessings.
May you know nothing but happiness
From this day forward.

May God grant you many years to live,
For sure He must be knowing
The earth has angels all too few
And heaven is overflowing.

May peace and plenty be the first
To lift the latch to your door,
And happiness be guided to your home
By the candle of Christmas.

May you always have work for your hands to do.
May your pockets hold always a coin or two.
May the sun shine bright on your windowpane.
May the rainbow be certain to follow each rain.
May the hand of a friend always be near you.
And may God fill your heart with gladness to cheer you.

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Niche Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:40 PM
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19. Andy, I'm so sorry about your sister... note on this bea spill...
where are the printouts? Really don't care one way or another what the drama is - where are the printouts and why aren't they with Conyers or others who can DO SOMETHING? "the other side" is quite active here these people out themselves...
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:47 PM
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24. Sometimes the question IS the answer...
Yes indeed, WHYdid no one involving Bev in the Conyers proceedings?
Nothing happens in politics by accident...
Perhaps the real players are out to "get her" too?
I know, Conyers must be jealous of Bev, yeah, that's it...LOL.
bhn

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:51 PM
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28. You will have to ask Bev for the printouts.
I was fired from the organization. I no longer haveaccess to them. Bev has them and by rights they belong to the good people who donated to her organization. But that is another story.

Andy
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:41 PM
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20. Narcissistic people become very paranoid under stress.
Just an observation. (And you know I don't mean you, right?)

We're talking personality disorder, I think.

And I feel very much for you, Andy, especially since you have been through hell.

Because you're determined to air this exremely dirty laundry, I hope it does some good. But it really makes me uneasy.

Don't know what else to say.

Hugs to you: :hug:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:45 PM
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23. I agree....understand your need to vent...there are so many here who are
hurt and angry. You certainly have been through it...losing your sister and feeling betrayed. I hope it helps you...but we here have watched this for weeks...and are not sure if this public airing is such a good thing...in the end...

But, assume you've gone with your conscience. Peace to you...
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:55 PM
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55. I will control my temper
Bev PUBLICY attacks people ALL THE TIME.

She lies about them and libels them. But its a bad idea for Andy and the rest of us to defend ourselves publicly.

I don't get it.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:14 PM
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66. I think her public behavior is exactly why Conyers has not
involved her. They are trying to keep this all very professional so as not to give any ammunition to the naysayers--IMO.
Merry Christmas.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:43 PM
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21. Not much new for followers of this soap opera
so far we have established that Bev has a big head (maybe this is natural).

A few things are confirmed:

1. Bev was pleased with the Lepore affair before the media fabricated a scenario to use against BBV. SHe then blamed this directly on gbac.

2. Bev doesn't bother with the phone; it for the hired help.

3. She doesn't get have an answering machine. Randi Rhodes claims she left messages.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:38 PM
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47. And, you forgot, she's a heartless, ruthless bitch who refused Andy
time off to go visit he DYING sister before her death and who said vile things about Andy's sister's death.

Now defend her.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:45 PM
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22. Dear Andy,
I am so sorry for all that you have been through. It breaks my heart to read what you have been through in recent weeks.

No matter what the cause is that we sacrifice for, how important it may be, the personal grief is deep and humbling. And this time of year, when we are all supposed to be so happy and celebratory, can magnify the the lonliness and pain.

I wish for you that you are surrounded with the warmth and love of dear friends who value and support you.

While those of us on this forum may not recognize each other on the street or even know each other's real names, you have many friends and supporters here. We thank you for being part of our family, for trusting us and for sharing your story with us. Whatever of it you can tell will help you move through it.

Beth



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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:47 PM
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25. Thanks for your hard work on this important issue
during such a difficult time. It is appreciated!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:49 PM
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26. Thanks For Putting Your Heart Into All This.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:50 PM
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27. Letting things out that are bothering you are very therapeutic
I think if this is what you have to do to start the healing process, you should do it. I am thinking you are sort of a young person, and in the spirit of trying to be helpful, just let me plant one or two thoughts. Don't say anything on this public board that will get you sued. You have no funds to defend yourself.

I think there are many, many people here who would love to do something to help you. The only thing I can think of is that if you post some of your credentials on this board, we can start a job watch for you. I live in Washington, D.C. and though times are tough, jobs do open up here. What kind of job would you like to pursue? You seem like an extremely bright, hard-working person. Would you be willing to relocate if we found opportunities you could pursue?

From my readings about Bev Harris, I have been both impressed with her diligence and chagrined at her beneath the surface treatment of people. I have often wondered if she is bi-polar. She seems to have many highs but many lows as well. I am not being critical -- my sister was bi-polar so I am a little familiar with the symptoms. Many famous people have been bi-polar, achieving great heights of personal accomplishment, but suffering extreme lows on the rebound. Abraham Lincoln is an example.

My sincere condolences on the loss of your sister. There are several stages to the grieving process. If you are in a position to study this process, for your own benefit, I hope you do so.

I hope to hear from you about your job situation and your personal ambitions for yourself as you begin the recovery process from the difficult things you have experienced these last few months. And thank you for all of that work.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:53 PM
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30. One does not get sued for telling truth.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:16 PM
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42. Not totally true.....
One CAN get sued for telling the truth, but one doesn't LOSE in court when they are telling the truth.

Ask Al Franken.

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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:55 PM
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31. Suggestion
Andy,

I have a suggeston. It may strike at your pride somewhat, but I want to put this out there....

There are many here who are appreciative of the work that you have done. We know that you have just taken a big fall and could use a bit of a hand. Because the work that you've been involved in has been for US even more so than for yourself, I know there are soem here who would love to have the opportunity to give back to you in some way.

So I was wondering, do you have a paypal account or something that we could use to send some monetary support to you? Being that you just lost your job, and (as I recall reading) you have unreceived back wages, and it's the holiday season, can we help in this way?

Thanks,

Beth
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:58 PM
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33. NOW you're talking!
I would have NO problem donating to the Andy cause.
Andy, where do we send YOU donations?
BHN
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:08 PM
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38. I'm all for it
I'm not going to sit by while he loses his house.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #31
40. Please take this to PM
I think ADMIN has decided to shut down all "personal" fundraising threads because of the disaster that was Bev's fundraising on DU. I think they have made the right decision in doing so.

Please don't get this thread shut down and find a way to do this offsite so that everyone can help Andy who wants to.

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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. What do I need to do?
I'm pretty new here, I con't understand what you mean by "please take this to PM." What do I need to do? Thanks for your advice and help.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. Perhaps you want to discuss it with ADMIN?
Maybe they'll let you put a sig line in each of your posts to a link for a donation to Andy. Or a web page dedicated to Andy which leads to a donation link?

PM = Private Message which is technically still using DU resources to fundraise.

Send a private email to admin@democraticunderground.com and ask them how you could accomplish this.

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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. Good point BtoD...
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 09:39 PM by BeHereNow
I know we can't establish a fundraiser for Andy here-
BUT we can figure out a way to do it elsewhere.
I don't think it hurts to discuss the idea, but I know we can not
actually solicit for funds on DU.
However there is alway the DU Panic Room...
BHN
On edit:
Link to DU panic room-
http://www.gruops.yahoo.com/group/dupanicroom

See ya there!
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #45
51. This link doesn't work...
Is there a spelling error?
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #51
60. Sorry...Here ya go!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DUPanicRoom/
I just did a copy and paste, so it should be fine.
You have to set up a YAHOO user name and password to join
though.
Easy to do.
Just got off the phone with Andy...
I am about to post more on the topic over in the Panic Room.
See you there!
BHN
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #60
75. For those wishing to offer support to Andy-
Complete information is now posted in the Panic Room.
BHN
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #44
48. Thanks, I have emailed the Admin
I haven't heard back from Andy as to whether he is able or willing to receive this type of support from the group, so I'll see what he has to say and what the moderator has to say.

I appreciate your messages.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #31
58. I am working with Andy to get a PayPal link up
at blackboxvoting.com. Hope to have it working tomorrow.

Funds go *directly* to Andy, not through me. I will just host the link.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #58
61. That's great news! Thanks!
Thank you for taking care of that for him and for us.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #58
62. David -
Thank you so much for doing this. Would you please let us know when it is in operation.

Thanks!

Peace
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #62
78. Go here Pastiche:
http:www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DUPanicRoom
All the details are there.
We are not allowed to solicit any fundraising on DU anymore
so I posted the information as given to me by Andy
over the phone just now, there.
BHN
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #78
82. I'm not seeing any new messages
Does it take a while for them to post? It's been forever since I used Yahoo....
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #82
84. Hmmm....Where is it?
I jst looked, it hasn't appeared yet...
I reposted the information and it is not up yet either.
It is possible that the YAHOO boards are really busy and perhaps
it is just taking more time than usual?
I will check back in a few minutes...
BHN
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #84
87. Okay, what is going on????
I just checked the moderator features and
it shows that I posted twice, but so far, neither of the posts
have appeared...
hmmm.
BHN
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #87
88. I'll just hang out there and wait
No problem :)
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #88
89. It's VERY strange...
Usually the posts appear within minutes.
Not sure what is going on, however, I have a friend
that works for YAHOO, so I will ask her what is going on.
She can access everything and tell me if there is
a problem.
BHN
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #89
94. A post just showed up there
but it wasn't yours. :shrug:
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #94
95. Go to the File section on the DUPanicRoom
The Andy info is there...
Don't know whay my posts are not showing up, but
I intent to find out.
Probably a freep attack.
My friend at Yahoo will find it.

BHN
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #95
97. Found it!
Thanks :)
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #97
100. Check your PM...
I need your help.
BHN
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #58
77. It is all posted in the Panic Room now David...
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DUPanicRoom
I jut got off the phone with Andy- he is in Ohio.
He gave me the details and since we can not solicit
fundraising here, I posted the information over in the Panic Room.
Cheers!
BHN
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #77
96. The Andy info is in the File section @ DUPanicRoom now
Somthing/someone is over riding my posts on
the Panic Room board, however, I have posted the
Andy information in the "file" section.
Thanks for helping andy David.

BHN
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:24 AM
Response to Reply #96
102. I have added info to the homepage at the Panic Room David
and included a link to your site.
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DUPanicRoom
Thanks for PM-ing me back.
BHN
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HeyManThatsCool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:55 PM
Response to Original message
32. You go Andy
I'm glad your sticking up for yourself (and others)
by talking. Bev is a school yard bully who gets away with
acting like a nutjob by steamrolling people.

I am so sorry for the loss of your sister.


Peace be with you

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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:59 PM
Response to Original message
34. The truth is always
right. It could be that you feel the need to "spill the beans" because telling the truth is healing. God knows it sounds like you are grieving for the loss of your beloved sister. You are also mourning the loss of your career and your sense of purpose, perhaps. It's a lot to bear, especially during the holidays. Still, the truth is nothing to fear. I would embrace it, and know that we are all with you. Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, and here's hoping that you will find the strength to continue to fight in the New Year. We need you!:hug:
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. The BIGGEST loss was the time he missed with Janice...
while she was still here on Earth.
THAT in my humble assessment of the situation,
is the loss that matters.
Bev guilted him into staying with her when he
should have been on a plane home to be with Janice before she passed.

Days later, she and her "Board" then publicly humiliated and slandered him
on the BBV web site.
Any questions about WHO Bev Harris is at this point?
None on this end.
I would not call this bean spilling-
I would call this healing the regret and honoring Janice.

BHN
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. A minor quibble.....
Legally what Bev did was libel, not slander. Libel is written word, slander is spoken. Libel is far worse...the consequences greater...and easier to prove in court.

Sorry, can't help it. I was a journalism major and well remember that part of my journalism law studies.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. No doubt she's guilty of both
She obviously had a whispering campaign going against Andy as well. It was likely conducted via email since that's a tool she used against her previous "enemies."

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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:08 PM
Response to Original message
37. Some specific questions, if we may?
First, please accept my condolences for the loss of your sister. Even a long illness doesn't allow us to prepare for the loss in our hearts. Be good to yourself and allow yourself to grieve.

If I can move forward just a little, I would appreciate some clarification on some things:

1. Will you tell us how many signed poll tapes were found in the trash? How many of those tapes were actually signed by elections officials?

2. What do you believe to be the reason for those "extra" printed poll tapes that were in the trash, signed or unsigned?

3. Were elections officials trying to balance something that wouldn't balance? And, if so, why would they be doing it on a DRE and not the GEMS server (which wouldn't produce a "tape," but a report)?

4. Can you confirm that it was Kathleen Wynne who filmed the "fight over trash bags" and not the professional film crew? And, as a board member that film by Kathleen Wynne belongs to BBV and it's donors, correct?

5. What reason do you believe to be Bev's refusal to show this proof (the poll tape and the video) to her supporters and/or Keith Olbermann?

I have more questions, but I'll stop here for now.

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #37
46. Here are your answers
1. Will you tell us how many signed poll tapes were found in the trash? How many of those tapes were actually signed by elections officials?

There were many! As well as parts of ripped up tapes there was if I remember correctly only one that was signed. But it was one that was missing from the "originals" we were finally allowed to look at.

2. What do you believe to be the reason for those "extra" printed poll tapes that were in the trash, signed or unsigned?

I have no clue...but the signed one was definately supposed to be in the batch printed election night.

3. Were elections officials trying to balance something that wouldn't balance? And, if so, why would they be doing it on a DRE and not the GEMS server (which wouldn't produce a "tape," but a report)?

I would not want to speculate. However the "Tapes" printed on the 15 were not the same as the ones printed on the 2nd. Many of them had divergent totals on them and in one case a 267 vote difference.

4. Can you confirm that it was Kathleen Wynne who filmed the "fight over trash bags" and not the professional film crew? And, as a board member that film by Kathleen Wynne belongs to BBV and it's donors, correct?

Based on what Bev and Kathleen said...it was Kathleen Wynne that filmed that episode of Drama. Now Keep in Mind I was on the road to DeLand but Bev and Kathleen both told me she was the one that filmed it. I was not there so I can't say for sure. I do know the votergate film crew was not doing it because they were in the car ahead of me. Since Kathleen wynne is an employee of BBV and was acting under the direction of Bev I would say the answer to your question is yes...it does belong to BBV and it's donors.

5. What reason do you believe to be Bev's refusal to show this proof (the poll tape and the video) to her supporters and/or Keith Olbermann?

Can't speculate.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #46
52. Thank you for those honest answers!
I think that's what we are all looking for.

Is it OK if I ask some more questions?

I don't want to make you feel like you're on a witness stand, but these clarifications help us all understand.

I'll stop if I'm making you uncomfortable.

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #52
59. ask away
I have nothing to loose or hide. This needs to be done and now is the time.

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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #59
65. Thank you!
Yes, your story and answers should be told. Thank you for doing so.

OK, some more:

1. When you heard the comments about your sister's death made by Bev, did you confront her? Did you try to discuss it?

2. When you called into Randi Rhodes radio show and she said "I can't discuss this on the air" was she referring to the personal situation between you and Bev?

3. What, in your opinion, caused your situation with Bev to go so bad so fast? By that, I mean, one day you were her hero and the next day you were the villian. What prompted that?

4. What is Bev's connection to the professional film crew?

5. There were several BBVers in FL. Who was footing the bill for all those hotel rooms and food? Where you given an expense account that you couldn't exceed? Did you have any limits on what that little adventure might cost?

6. Can you tell us about the Board of Directors? Specifically, how much control do they actually exert over Bev and the day to day operations. Also, who is related to whom?

I'll stop here for now.....

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #65
74. Answers
1. When you heard the comments about your sister's death made by Bev, did you confront her? Did you try to discuss it?

No! I had a week to reflect on my life and after Bev had left my number on her phone all week the comments she had made and the browbeatign I had had...I was done stick a fork in me.

2. When you called into Randi Rhodes radio show and she said "I can't discuss this on the air" was she referring to the personal situation between you and Bev?

No she was talking about florida. Let me clear something up here. That was the day before thanksgiving. An activist called me and said they were on hold with Randi. He wanted me to talk to her. Being the nice guy I am I held. But what we were talking about was volusia. Randi later cleard up why she could not talk about the fraud in Florida. I don't want to go into that...that is Randi's business and I respect her too much to go into that.

3. What, in your opinion, caused your situation with Bev to go so bad so fast? By that, I mean, one day you were her hero and the next day you were the villian. What prompted that?

It was a long time coming. I quite frankly was done with the browbeating and the accusations of "trying to build your own organization" the "He is stealing money" and the "you have dropped the ball" . As I said stick a fork in me I was done.


4. What is Bev's connection to the professional film crew?

None. They are honorable men and the work they are doing is important. It is only too bad they have focused so much on Bev when there are so many out there doing this important work.

5. There were several BBVers in FL. Who was footing the bill for all those hotel rooms and food? Where you given an expense account that you couldn't exceed? Did you have any limits on what that little adventure might cost?

I don't know anyother BBV'ers in Florida. Bev was never to keen on using volunteer help. She was always saying they would screw things up and volunteers could not be trusted. I was never given an expense account...I was supposed to get a per diem but never got that. Air and hotel expenses were paid by the org. We went on the cheap as much as possible.

6. Can you tell us about the Board of Directors? Specifically, how much control do they actually exert over Bev and the day to day operations. Also, who is related to whom?

The Board is Six members. As far as I know they exert no control over Bev as evidenced by her libel of me on her website. I originaqlly thought she was related to 3 members but that has since been cleared up and she is in fact only related to one.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #74
81. Thank you, again.
I'll let you move on to Part 2.

My only goal was to make things very clear in this thread as to what you had already covered. That way, at least in my mind, the questions from Part 1 won't cloud Part 2 and you can tell your story without going over old information again and again.

One thing I'm still not clear on though is your answer to #1 in my second set of questions. Are you saying that when you went home for your sister's funeral, Bev put a message on her phone for them to call your number??????

Also, on the BBVers in FL - I was referring specifically to Kathleen Wynne, you and Bev. You three were paid BBVers in Florida?

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #81
90. Yes she did in response to this question...
"Bev put a message on her phone for them to call your number?????? "

As far as I can say...and what I believed to be true Kathleen was a paid employee as was I.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #74
85. It is such a breath of fresh air to have straight answers,
instead of Bev's constant obfuscation.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #74
107. This is another telling fact
I don't know anyother BBV'ers in Florida. Bev was never to keen on using volunteer help. She was always saying they would screw things up and volunteers could not be trusted. I was never given an expense account...I was supposed to get a per diem but never got that. Air and hotel expenses were paid by the org. We went on the cheap as much as possible.

This is why the whole operations has accomplished nothing. Bev refuses to delegate anything because delegating mean someone is lose with autonomy and facts she doesn't control. After Rox and I "betrayed" her, she wasn't about to let ANYONE get in a position where they might steal her thunder.

I bet that Bev didn't live "on the cheap"

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #46
67. Several things, GBsandC,
1) Most importantly - condolences on the loss of your sister. My heart aches when I hear this story and how - due to your dedication (and it sounds like some brow beating) you lost a last opportunity to say goodbye. Even though you and she may have disagreed politically - I am sure that she understood your dedication to what you (and I, though perhaps not she) believed was at the heart of our democracy the right to vote and be counted.

2) Your decorum in answering questions - being careful to seperate what you know/witnessed from speculation speaks volumes about your integrity. How things are answered - and the places where one backs up to specify what can not be validated as true (as opposed to those who make assertions as truths) - is something I have long paid attention to in various news (esp bbv) threads. Kudos.

3) This one is personal - I greatly respect your willingnesss to put your life not only on hold, but in terms of financially and personally in some level of jeopardy - in order to make an impact on our democracy. THank you. You are to be commended. Please know that you are appreciated by many - your efforts have never been in vain.

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VTGold Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:44 PM
Response to Original message
49. Go ahead Andy - spill - we're holding the bucket. n/t
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:44 PM
Response to Original message
50. Andy, of everything you said, the story about your sister...
is the most astonishing. I am so sorry that you were denied that last visit. Sooo sorry.

:hug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:53 PM
Response to Original message
54. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. Bullshit. Fake.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. If you want to be a moderator, apply for it.
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #54
64. I'm sorry, the people who responded to me ...
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 10:13 PM by WHAT
I have on ignore so I don't know what their message was.?

I should explain, I copied the previous message from a thread in GD that was locked by the mods...then I was trying to figure-out how to add an explanation and posted by mistake. Well, I thought people would understand?. I just assumed they locked the other thread because it's like talking about someone when they can't defend themself...which makes sense to me.

That's all there is to it. I like gossip, too, but it is unfair to have only one side represented.

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #64
69. Once again
Bev can respond on her own forum. She can't post here, we can't post there, so how is it unfair?

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #64
71. Ya think!? Well, what about Bev posting lies about Andy on her...
website's FRONT PAGE?

Bev has her own website. Let her defend herself there.
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #64
76. Sounds to me like she has a few defenders already here. n/t
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:11 PM
Response to Original message
63. Thank you for your hard work, Andy
and my condolences on the loss of your sister. :hug:
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:16 PM
Response to Original message
68. Andy, you are a hero!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:23 PM
Response to Original message
70. Happy Christmas, Andy
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 10:25 PM by Clark2008
And I hope you can find some peace over the holidays.

Keep working on this for us. You sound more grounded than your former boss. While I appreciate how hard she must be working, the sheer fact that she cannot seem to keep a clamper on her rudeness isn't doing the movement any favors. Sad to say, but you have to be nice to the press - or, in the neo-cons' case, drill into everyone's head that the media is liberal lap dogs and then threaten them - if you want to get any response from them.

Now - you need to find time to grieve. You cannot put it off. Just do it. It does not have to debilitate you to the point that you have to leave the movement and it does not have to rule your waking mind, but, at the pace you were working, you never did get a chance to grieve properly.

Grieve, let us help you and, together, we'll take on the MSM and the nay-saying perpetrators of this vicious crime against democracy.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #70
72. Andy is coming to visit me for Christmas.
There will be 12 of us at dinner tomorrow night at my place...my entire family...and, of course, the triplets.

On Christmas Day, we will go to my sister's where he will once again be in the bosom of my rather extensive family.

He will be well taken care of and have some fun. Lots of good food and stuff to drink. Warmth, even with the cold weather.

The triplets (at age 4) put on one hell of a show.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:42 PM
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80. Cool!
Sounds like he will have little time to be distracted by the Bev mess.

Give him a real, living hug from DU. :loveya:
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:46 PM
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83. I will....
We are both very excited about it...as is my family...some of whom are repukes.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:57 PM
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86. Republican or not...
All good people, regardless of party affiliation, want fair elections, and all good people, regardless or party affiliation, hate to see someone mistreated as bad as Andy was.

You guys have a great Christmas. :-)
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:55 AM
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98. 4-year-olds are fun
I have just one 5-year-old, myself.

Christmas is such fun as viewed from their eyes!

He is so excited that he can hardly stand himself! :)

Hug Andy and hug those babies for me! I just love little kids! They are so peaceful and inquisitive and innocent and honest and beautiful. :)
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:56 AM
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99. Peaceful, really?
My kids are like wild animals. :D
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:28 PM
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73. Also. I'm wishing you well, Andy...
I know it's hard to loose someone you love.

And, I salute the contributions you have made investigating voter fraud. Especially your insight into the complicity of the blind rights group in forcing diebold machines in banks under threat of litigation.

Good Luck and may you heal wholly.

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lizzieforkerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:41 PM
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79. Andy, I am so sorry about your sister.
You and your family are in our thoughts and prayers
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:34 PM
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91. Andy
Thank you for sharing this with us.Im so sorry about the loss of your sister.:hug:
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:53 PM
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93. Very sorry about the loss of your sister, Andy.
And thanks for all the fine work you've done.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:11 AM
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101. i have worked with narcissistic wenches, but this takes the cake!
i am so sorry for your loss and your enduring of this craziness. i know you mourn the time your lost and the sacrifices you made. no one can bring that time back for you -- but the important thing is that you see the forest for the trees at this point.

hang in there -- thank you for so much hard work!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:48 AM
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103. Dear Andy, What a tremendous post ! I think you are very brave and
compassionate.I am so sorry for the loss of your sister. I am sure that in some way you both will be rewarded. Thank you so much for all your efforts on behalf of democracy. Bev can preen herself all she wants but you are the "real deal"! A very Merry Christmas to you and bless you for all you do!
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:21 AM
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104. She sounds like the boss from hell!!
I think you need a 2 week cruise to get over this! If I had the money I'd send you on one.

I'm very sorry to hear about your sister's death.
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 09:44 AM
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105. Andy -
Thank you for all your dedicated work under difficult conditions, and I am so sorry to hear about your sister Janice. No loss is easy, no matter how expected. In this season of renewal, I hope you can shed the chains that were placed on you, and greet the New Year with a happier heart. Your friends know who you are, and honor you for it. :grouphug:
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FloridaCrat Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:27 AM
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106. Andy, Please accept my sincerest condolences for the loss of your sister
Thank you for your post. You are a very brave person too.

I wish you some peace on this holiday and fun too.

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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:51 AM
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108. Kick
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