Kerry's Behavior allows Rove to Embarrass Us: Is Kerry Committed to O.H.?

[KoKo]

Seems the "Cobb Campaign" filed today on "Christmas Eve" in Ohio....but their site doesn't mention Kerry.

Was told that Kerry couldn't file because of the "Snow Storm."

BUT...only Kerry's filing will have the proper "Weight." For Ohio to "Secure" the voting machines/software we Dems need to prove "Harm." The "GLIB's" can't prove harm because they would NOT have WON anyway.

That's why Kerry HAD TO COME ON BOARD....but there's "NO KERRY" in the Cobb Press release and "Buzzflash" (to me a verifyer of all for "Progressive Libs"} doesn't have a word about Kerry filing or anything about Ohio.

What Gives Here? :shrug:

[SueZhope]

1. thats a good question

I wonder what it all means in the grand scheme of things
:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[KoKo]

5. Either Kerry is truly "background" on this or he caved on challenging FLA.

I really find it odd that neither Buzzflash nor Cobb have Kerry joining in..... And, after Pitt's post yesterday I figured all Hell was about to break. :shrug:

I can't stand much more of this "up and down" crap...

[madrchsod]

2. who knows and who cares

kerry can go away and never be heard from again for all i care. he didn`t give a shit about those who wanted the truth. go back to your skull and bones and get your big pat on the back from the boys. give me a real democrat who sticks it out to the end. i`m beginning to think dean got fucked over.

[KoKo]

6. There's a thread in the archives about how Dean got trashed by Kerry/

Gephardt.... but yeah..I understand what you are saying... I still "try" to hold out faith for Kerry...but wonder.

[caligirl]

45. I distinctly remember that trashing! I supported Dean and was

really ticked off about the dirty game being played. Mostly I just wanted to keep my promise of being able to vote for the primary winner without feeling disgusted by him. I kept that promise and put in lots of hours working for Kerry.

[Snivi Yllom]

53. Beginning to think Dean got fucked over?

Honey, that was almost a year ago....

[karlrschneider]

3. Got a link to the Cobb thingy?

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[KoKo]

12. Here's link to the site and "Announcement." And the link to Kerry is not

there...in "my search" anyway. I hope someone will find the Legal filing for Kerry in this..:shrug:

Here:

Cobb: Preserve the Evidence!
Daily Update
Friday, December 24, 2004
County Reports Continue, Court Asked to Help

Eleven days into the recount process, and at a time when many of us are turning our attention to family and holiday activities, several major recount-related developments are breaking in Ohio and New Mexico. Enjoy your holiday, but please email this page to your circle of friends and family so that we can keep the ongoing struggle for one-person-one-vote in the spotlight as we start a new year. And be sure to post your opinion in our new Ohio Recount Blog!

Based on County Recount Reports by hundreds of recount observers, David Cobb and the Cobb-LaMarche legal team asked a Federal Court yesterday to preserve a wide range of evidence, including voting machines and election records, to ensure the integrity of the Ohio presidential recount. "It is time for the federal judiciary to step in and ensure the integrity of the recount in Ohio, something which Ohio's blatantly partisan Secretary of State is either unwilling or thoroughly incapable of doing," said Cobb.

To be posted later tonight are 23 new Ohio county reports, which describe more "irregularities" that are being investigated by our attorneys. These reports, written to help the public understand the magnitude of the problems facing Ohio voters, were created by Green, Libertarian, Democratic, and independent recount observers. Check back daily to see the new reports and features added. Thanks again to the 6,000+ donors and 3,000+ volunteers who are making this happen.

READ MORE AT THIS LINK:

http://www.votecobb.org/

[politicasista]

4. I was afraid this was going to happen

More Kerry bashing.:cry:

[EMunster]

7. Your acting like anyone's paying attention right now....embarrassed? Have

you been watching the news? Bushie Co. has its hands full of embarrassment...Kerik to Rumsfeld to Iraq to rebellious right-wingers in congress.

If you're looking to bash kerry, find something more substantial next time.

As for his delayed filing, waiting until Monday is just smarter pr wise. If he wanted to bury it, then submit it right before Christmas when everyone's attention is on the holiday.

[seito]

8. But it's Christmas Eve

I can think of no better way to spend it than publicly flogging our Democratic nominee. :spank:

So come on now, if you are going to trash the man and his reputation, do it right.

sigh

[Patsy Stone]

9. LOL

You go! Everybody get on board... :)

[Laurab]

18. LOL It just doesn't quit, does it? N/T

[KoKo]

15. In

is "Into the Fray." and then it turns out that "Buzzflash" has nothing...and the "whore media" has nothing...and TODAY Cobb campaign comes out and says it's "Their" announcement?

Whaaat....where's Kerry. Clicking all over Cobb site doesn't give me the "Filing" where Kerry is listed as one of the "Plaintiffs."

:shrug: Why?

[merh]

40. The postings I have included are copies of the official dockets

from the US District Court in Ohio. Kerry is a party to this litigation. Just because Cobb doesn't use the full style of the case when preparing the pleadings, doesn't mean anything. Why do these little things disturb you so. Do you just like worrying or is it Kerry bashing you prefer?

[GetTheRightVote]

10. I am for Kerry joining the battle, he is his to fight as well as ours,

But either way we will continue to carry the flag above it all because Democracy is what matters most right now. Our right to vote must be defended even in the heat of battle do not forget why we are in the fight or the why we must win it.

:bounce:

[Gloria]

11. This will get filed.

The timing is fine, nothing will be lost in waiting til Monday.

With all the snow mess and reporting on the storm and cleanup, then the holiday, the story coverage would have been cursory at best.

Furthermore, even if the plan was to file Friday, who can tell where all the people are? Just because a person gets to a courthouse doesn't mean another can.....Location, location, location. Where are the roads in better shape? etc. etc. etc.

[KittyWampus]

13. God, What A Drama Queen.

[KoKo]

16. ROFL....I am....a DOWN TO EARTH...person... n/t

[ClassWarrior]

38. Didn't you hear?? We're starting a drama club called the DUDQs!!

Our first production is going to be "The Madness of King George."

:7

NGU.

[RevCheesehead]

51. Did I hear someone calling my name?

Hey, there, CW! Where ya been? Missed ya! :hi:

NGU:Hope!

[merh]

14. Obviously you guys have never dealt with litigation or court filings.

Yes, Cobb and Badnarik's attorneys did file documents YESTERDAY, the 23rd. Those documents are listed below (as found on the electronic docket (chronological indexing of court filings) that can be found by using the Pacer Service. You can register to use Pacer Service, but there is a cost associated with obtaining copies of the dockets. The search does not cost anything. The link is https://pacer.login.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/login.pl?court_id=00idx

Now, William Pitt was told that the Kerry lawyers were not able to file due to the weather. It is possible that their offices did not have electricity, or that they could not get to their offices due to the storm or that that their internet provider was not able to work due to the weather. I think it it legitimate to say that due to a winter storm that crippled a good portion of the city, the lawyers for Kerry were unable to file their motion. Regardless, they are intervenors in the action and can file their motion and intervene or join in Cobb's and Badnarik's motion on Monday. It is no big deal that it wasn't accomplished yesterday. It is not a slap in the face to Kerry that the Green's site doesn't reference his involvement. They are all parties to the SAME SUIT. They share the same goal, to have the voting equipment seized and examined, to have all votes counted and to try to determine if there was the fraud we suspect.

Please stop twisting the facts and making mountains out of mole hills. The winter storm was not anticipated, but the lawsuit/filings have not failed and the matter is being pursued.

Cobb's/Badnarik's filings from 12/23/04 according to the docket.

12/23/2004 33 MOTION for Order to Preserve and for Leave to Take Limited Expedited Discovery by Defendants David Cobb, Michael Badnarik, National Voting Rights Institute, Counter Claimants National Voting Rights Institute, David Cobb, Michael Badnarik. (Kerger, Richard) (Entered: 12/23/2004)

12/23/2004 34 Supplemental Memorandum Supporting re 33 MOTION for Order to Preserve and for Leave to Take Limited Expedited Discovery filed by Defendants David Cobb, Michael Badnarik, National Voting Rights Institute, David Cobb, Michael Badnarik, National Voting Rights Institute, Counter Claimants National Voting Rights Institute, David Cobb, Michael Badnarik, National Voting Rights Institute, David Cobb, Michael Badnarik. (Attachments: # 1 Affidavit # 2 Affidavit # 3 Affidavit # 4 Affidavit # 5 Affidavit # 6 Affidavit # 7 Affidavit # 8 Affidavit # 9 Affidavit # 10 Affidavit)(Kerger, Richard) (Entered: 12/23/2004)

12/23/2004 35 Proposed Pretrial Order by Defendants David Cobb, Michael Badnarik, National Voting Rights Institute, Counter Claimants National Voting Rights Institute, David Cobb, Michael Badnarik. (Kerger, Richard) (Entered: 12/23/2004)

[KoKo]

17. Well, then, how was Cobb Campaign allowed to file 1/24 and not Kerry....

that "Big Snowstorm" somehow caught Kerry's Lawyers without their "boots and Overcoats or Parka's" and yet the Cobb folks managed to file?????

And yet, the Cobb Campaign Site doesn't list the "Filing?" :shrug:

Just asking...as I said...

[merh]

39. Gee, read again, Cobb filed on 12/23 not today!

Also, I am no mind reader, but if there was a winter storm that prevented Kerry's attorney from filing, it could have been because of a variety of things (no electricity, no internet service provider, only emergency traffic allowed on the roads so they couldn't get to their office) and, no, there is nothing diabolical or lazy about the delay. If your life is so perfect that you can make ever deadline, despite snow storms or as they are referred to in the legal field "acts of god" then you are blessed. Why do you care what the Cobb site has posted on it? For pete's sake, its a blessed holiday. They filed the documents, Kerry's attorney knows it is easy to join in or file supplemental motions, why have you allowed this to cause you such distress?

[KoKo]

42. I stand by my post and the copy (screen save) I provided. I just checked

their site and they have changed their copy. Check the difference between what it said when I posted...doing "cut and paste" and now just a couple of hours later. Check my original and time of my post, cut and past and this latest...where they NOW say "yesterday" they filed:

http://www.votecobb.org/recount/daily_update/

Daily Update
Friday, December 24, 2004
County Reports Continue, Court Asked to Help

Eleven days into the recount process, and at a time when many of us are turning our attention to family and holiday activities, several major recount-related developments are breaking in Ohio and New Mexico. Enjoy your holiday, but please email this page to your circle of friends and family so that we can keep the ongoing struggle for one-person-one-vote in the spotlight as we start a new year. And be sure to post your opinion in our new Ohio Recount Blog!

Based on County Recount Reports by hundreds of recount observers, David Cobb and the Cobb-LaMarche legal team asked a Federal Court yesterday to preserve a wide range of evidence, including voting machines and election records, to ensure the integrity of the Ohio presidential recount. "It is time for the federal judiciary to step in and ensure the integrity of the recount in Ohio, something which Ohio's blatantly partisan Secretary of State is either unwilling or thoroughly incapable of doing," said Cobb.

[merh]

43. So they updated their site - big whoopie - they made it

applicable to today. Do they reference that Badnarik also filed or is listed as a party to the pleadings they filed? NO, why, because it is the Green party site, not the K/E site or the Libertarian site.

For your own peace of mind, please stop allowing this piddly little things to make you nervous or upset. The documents have been filed, the action is pending, K/E is a party to the federal suit. Tomorrow is Christmas, relax.

[KoKo]

48. I got it off their site just before I posted original TODAY...it's

changed since I've been posting to where it says..."yesterday."

I don't know what's going on...but changing the story to Cobb filing from Kerry filing with no link on the site when I posed just a couple hours ago...to the filing...is really odd...that's why I posted.

[Ladyhawk]

19. Yo, people! Pitt said that the office got snowed in yesterday.

He will file on Monday.

Whether or not that's too little, too late, we'll see, OK? I'm willing to take back everything I ever said if Kerry really goes after this.

[Name removed]

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[politicasista]

21. I love reading Kerry bashing posts.

:nopity: :cry:

[KoKo]

25. This is NOT meant as a "Kerry Bashing Post" at all. It's a "Query..." n/t

[fshrink]

22. What I know is

that Gore conceded December 13, 2000, with FL as the issue, and Kerry November 3, 2004, with at least NM and OH as the problem-states and wide-spread suspicions. You can turn this around any way you want, re-frame it as a brilliant strategy, blame the weather, or what not. Won't change a thing.

[wiggle-room]

23. I just trust Kerry here, so far. Without all the facts, there's only trust

that's the way I see it

Guess it helps to agree that Kerry not being the public face of this questioning of the election, at the moment, is a good thing. I think his public involvment would have been, and would now be, turned into a distracting media orgy full of rw slander and "loserman" bs.

There are but those two choices at this point, as far as I can see - trust him or don't, and I trust Kerry at this point - I think he will do what is needed to be done.

'course I could be wrong....

[OldLeftieLawyer]

24. Happy Birthday, Baby Jesus

And, please allow me to invoke your name here, just for emphasis. Thank you.

JESUS CHRIST ALMIGHTY!!!!!!

When did all you Kerry supporters turn into such legal scholars that you're convinced a fucking filing - a filing - is the end-all and be-all and has to take place at a certain time because someone said it would?

Do you honestly think that anything filed on the last working day before a long weekend means anything? There's no statute to toll, and the circumstances that would be detailed in a Kerry filing will not change in seventy-two or ninety-six hours.

If you think that the Other Side doesn't already have their replies and appeals prepared, it's back to law school with the lot of you.

Now, pipe down. I've got to get a big fire going in the chimney before Santa gets here ........... :evilgrin:

[graywarrior]

26. We're all experts coz we watch Boston Legal

[OldLeftieLawyer]

28. You know what?

That show is closer to what the actual practice of law is than any other show ever on TV - and I wrote for "Law and Order" for two seasons.

It's really brilliant, but, so is David E. Kelley.

[graywarrior]

46. That's good to know because I really dig that show

[RevCheesehead]

52. Really? Which two? (that is, who were the stars that year?)

I LOVE that show! I just adore Jerry Orbach. :)

[OldLeftieLawyer]

54. The first two

That's why I'm OLDLeftyLawyer. :)

[ginnyinWI]

27. Thankyou Leftie

Yours is a very welcome voice of sanity here--I trust that you know what you're talking about! I always perk up when you post.

:hi:

[OldLeftieLawyer]

29. You're nice to say that, and I appreciate it

I know people get anxious, but if we get nuts, we lose any advantage we might have, so, just like kids when they start getting rammy, you have to bring them down - loudly - with solid information and a bit of vulgar humor.

My specialty, that last bit.

Merry Christmas.............

[graywarrior]

44. I'll second that

[KoKo]

31. All I'm asking here...is "Why did Cobb file today w/snowstorm...and not

a mention of Kerry onboard??? Hellooooooo.....do you hear me????

[OldLeftieLawyer]

49. Yes

I hear you very well. It's just that what you say is devoid of content.

What's the issue there?

I see no question.

Why do you see Cobb and Kerry inextricably linked when, in fact, their legal matters are completely different?

Let me explain to you why they are not the same matter: in order to qualify for entrance into Federal jurisdiction, a candidate must show the he would suffer irreparable harm were the ballots not to be counted properly. That translates to Kerry perhaps losing, perhaps winning the election - both perfectly realistic possibilities.

Cobb does not meet that standard. He never had a chance of winning, and so cannot meet the "irreparable harm" criterion. Therefore, he has no standing and does not meet the Federal standard.

Now, Merry Christmas, and before you get persistent the next time, read up on how these things work.

[ClassWarrior]

30. LOL - Here it comes again!!!

By the way, I'm a Progressive... not a "Progressive Lib."

Happy Christmas DU.

NGU.

[roseBudd]

32. The place to file was Southern Ohio, I thought I read the court was closed

because of the snow on Thurs. We got no mail, no newspaper, no garbage truck and lots of places other than hospitals were closed. The first bus I saw was at 5 pm. I worked from home that day, but I think they were telling people to stay home.

[KoKo]

33. Cobb site says they filed today...in snowstorm...with everything closed.??

So...

NoOne has answered me about where Kerry is on this lawsuit...with Cobb or separate...that's what I wanted to know.

Why does Cobb site say Cobb Filed today: 12/24....and yet Kerry was supposed to be filing because he has "THE WEIGHT." ...because he's the only one who would be "harmed."

So far, all I get is folks trashing that "I Asked" and not giving me an answer. DID KERRY FILE OR DIDN'T HE? IS HE A "PARTY TO" the "COBB FILING" or NOT? Why does "Cobb Website" say "Cobb FILED" but NO LINK to the actual "contents of the filing?"

Is Kerry there or not? :shrug:

[lonestarnot]

41. Well he after hours filed and those complaints are not looked at until the

Court opens for business. Sorry Cobb.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

50. Maybe

you shouldn't believe everything you read online?

::: gasp :::::

[lonestarnot]

34. No one filed anything in any Court in the United States today silly rabbit

[KoKo]

35. No....Cobb says he filed....see my earlier link to Cobb Website.. n/t

[KoKo]

36. No cogent answer so I'll give it up....A Happy Holiday to All! ...and to

All a Goodnight!

[Samantha]

37. I wondered when I read Will Pitt's post why the attorneys didn't file

electronically. Many courts give more than one option. Perhaps the simple answer to your question is that Cobb's attorneys did file electronically; and Kerry's attorneys are filing personally.

[sparky_in_ma]

47. Bad accident with red

sleigh. Cobb was able to swerve to avoid the sleigh, Kerry's lawyers hit it head on. Reports have Comet in serious condition, Rudolph escaped with minor injuries. Santa failed a field sobriety test.

I have no problem with Kerry filing Monday, a better news day than today. Proving election fraud takes time. Enjoy some eggnog and have a happy holiday.:toast:

[RevCheesehead]

55. Rove? Why (or how) would he embarass us? n/t

[livvy]

56. Look....You either believe or you don't

*&Co are so bad. I'd much prefer to put my faith into someone I believe to be about as honest as a politician can be than to question every single move that the person can make. I do more reading here than posting, but the constant questioning of Kerry's motives is beginning to become tiring. It's not like we have a large choice here, gang. You either have to have a little faith, or not. It does no good to constantly question. If Kerry is not given his appropriate office, than we have other work to do. Until then, let's keep the focus. Keep the pressure on the legislature. When and if our efforts fail to put the best man in office, let's concentrate on what else needs to be done to keep our country. Just my opinion. Please don't jump all over me because I'm new, OK?