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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:12 PM
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OUTSTANDING MUST READ letter from Republican to senators

This was posted yesterday on another thread by the author of the letter. It has only had one reply. My apologies if re-posting is not an okay thing to do (This is only my second post-I'm relatively new); however, I feel this is a very important letter and deserves a lot of attention. The author couldn't really toot his own horn in the subject heading on his own post, but I can. I think it's been overlooked because there have been so many posts with titles regarding letters to senators.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x194341

I wouldn't use this verbatim as your own, but if you can get some Ideas from it, Great!

Here it is;


To: The Honorable Senator <blank>

From: Dr. Garth Eldritch
Dr_eldritch@netzero.net


Dear Senator <blank>,

I am a registered Republican and I am frightened of this administration.

I am writing this to let you know how millions of thoughtful Americans and I feel about what is happening to our beloved country.

We have observed the insidious and deliberate overthrow of Democracy by this administration, the media, and their supporters.

The media, under constant scrutiny and relentless criticism for taking a ‘Liberal’ bias, has purged itself of anything remotely resembling balance over the course of the last decade.
The censure and subsequent censorship of prestigious media fixtures such as Helen Thomas and Dan Rather are indicative of this trend. The machinations by which they have been marginalized have been incessantly grinding away at the vestiges of real journalism that was once a hallmark of our great nation.
Now, owned almost entirely by right-wing supporters, the corporate media has ensured that any real news outlet will rarely present a story that casts the administration in an unfavorable light.
I have heard rare mention of the crime against the American people by conservative columnist Robert Novak who exposed an undercover CIA operative, but plenty of news about Dan Rather for using questionable documents whose content may have been legitimate.
I am saddened that I hear more ‘real’ news on comedy shows than from any major news outlet.

The Help America Vote Act has ‘helped’ put easily hacked, un-auditable, electronic voting machines made by supporters of the administration all over this country… with many more to come.

Representative John Conyers of the House Judiciary Committee has held hearings and recorded testimony whose nature is so controversial that it should shake our democracy to it’s very foundations – and yet I’ve seen NOTHING of these hearings on any news channel other than C-SPAN. Most people do not watch C-SPAN because it is not sensationalized enough to keep their interest. None of the major networks will air this astounding evidence of fraud… I am left only to speculate on why.

If you have not reviewed this testimony, I cannot urge strongly enough that you do so. The allegations of fraud have only been written off either by those who support this administration, or those who have not studied even a small fraction of these allegations.
It would seem that the fear of becoming an alarmist has overridden the will to investigate and ameliorate our election system.

The reality is that our Democracy has been hijacked by Neo-Conservatives whose agenda may be in dire conflict with the security of the American People. I have familiarized myself with the reserve currency issues and energy market forces that have driven this administration into war. Millions of Americans are aware of these issues as well.
Although I understand that many Americans have not the patience and time to educate themselves on these issues – I cannot believe that that is an excuse for a rogue political contingent to lie to us, abridge our rights, go to war under false pretenses, and rig an election to protect their agenda… all at the expense of Democracy.


The psychology of those who would do nothing can be described as willful negligence through logistical prejudice;

“They could never get away with something like that because it would be too obvious; therefore – it must not have happened.”

It is much more comfortable to convince oneself something is not happening, thereby avoiding the discomfort of both recognition and responsibility.
I cringe to think that this type of psychology pervades both our culture and our government.

If you have not studied this issue, then we all may become victims of a movement that will strip away the powers, rights, and freedoms of all who might oppose it… especially political opponents.


On January 6th, the moment of truth will arrive.
When the Electoral College vote is to be certified, a number of Representatives will contest the results from Ohio. In order to overturn that slate of electors, those representatives will need the signature of a US Senator to advance their motion.

My apologies, for I am not well versed in procedure. Unless I am mistaken, it will only take one such signature.

That one signature will become the most significant stroke in the undoing of what will otherwise become our inexorable slide into a one-party system… and the subsequent and total corruption of a great Democracy.

Should none of our most potent elected leaders stand now against this usurping of the Electoral process, there will never come another chance through the governmental process to regain the balance critical to a healthy Democracy. As the power of one party is consolidated, it will be used to strip that of the other. In this case it will be the Democratic Party who is so ravaged.
The machines which are manufactured, programmed, and tabulated on by the allies of the Neo-conservatives will proliferate across this nation and cut short the otherwise popular careers of more and more Democrats until they are effectively and permanently neutralized as a political party.

If the fear of drawing attention, or taking a risk prevents any Senator from taking action by January 6, 2005… then it is quite likely that many Democrats who are the last bastion of balance in Washington DC will face a slow and excruciating descent out of the political arena. While I pray I am wrong, I know that millions of Americans cannot afford such a risk.
After January 6th, any aspirations a Democratic candidate might have will be dashed should no one stand against this. Those who remain will be nothing more than proverbial lightning rods to hold a constituency and keep any other party from becoming a contender. None of those who remain will be able to acquire any office of greater consequence for it will have become impossible to legislate fair elections against the majority in power.

Should even one Senator stand against this injustice, they will find support among many millions of Americans.
At that point, the news media will have no choice but to take notice. Such notice can ONLY shed light on and harm those who have committed fraud, for as the subject is brought to light – the evidence will be as well.

There is such damning evidence in support of fraud at this point – if you have not studied it, I again must strongly, vehemently ask that you contact Rep. John Conyers and request information.
I will also be obliged to assist in any way I can.

Please urge your colleagues to engage in collective action to address this critical issue.
What the American People need now is a hero to stand against this descent into what can legitimately be described as Totalitarian rule by one party.
The choice, therefore, is to stand for a brilliant assault on this injustice – to lead a charge whose consequence is the preservation of Democracy, or to quietly accept the role of a subordinate until no longer needed.

Millions of Americans recognize what is happening to our country and are on their knees praying for just one Senator to stand and fight for us.

You will not stand alone.


With utmost Sincerity,

-Dr. Garth Eldritch


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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:17 PM
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1. Great letter!
Is this guy for real? I hate to be a cynic but I am always skeptical first. I guess I could always email the guy.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:22 PM
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3. Check out the link to his post. There are a lot of
Republicans who are as alarmed about the direction this country is headed as we are. I met a lot of them working on voter registration and GOTV before the election. What's happening in this country is an AMERICAN issue, not a partisan issue. I talked to many life-long Republicans who were voting for Kerry for the same reasons we were.
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gdub Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 04:45 PM
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27. I am also a Republican...
Edited on Sat Dec-25-04 04:47 PM by gdub
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:17 AM
Response to Reply #27
45. Welcome to DU, gdub
Hope you can participate in honest and frank debate here on DU.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #27
51. There are some nicknames for Republicans here but they only apply to the
Sheeple type of republican. So no offense meant.
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gdub Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #51
57. That's funny
But, yes, it is somewhat strange to find myself identifying more closely with Socialists, Democrats, Greens and others even farther to the rhetorical "left."

There is a good book by David Frum, called "Dead Right," that discusses the plight of centrist or moderate Republicans back in 1994. It was a good read during Bill Weld's tenure in Massachusetts, which represented something of an enlightened Republican renaissance in liberal Massachusetts. When Bill Weld was re-elected it was by the widest margin ever in Massachusetts history, either Democrat or Republican, which should give you an idea of what moderate Republican's in Massachusetts are like.

Unfortunately, Bill Weld was pillaried by the conservatives, including Jesses Helms. You may recall that Weld was nominated by Bill Clinton for the Mexico ambassador post. He was then torn down in the Senate and relagated to the sidelines of Republican national politics.

My view is that the Republican leadership in power today is an neo-fascist group that has nothing to do with American democratic principles, either Democratic and Republican. They are a bunch of "freaks" that we all must do everything in our power to stop.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 06:48 PM
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59. Thanks, gdub
It's so nice to hear this from someone "on the other side of the aisle."
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #57
61. I agree, but how do you convince people that have the GOP in their
blood that their party has been hijacked? I know a few that have serious misgivings and a couple that have abandonded the new GOP. But most (like my mother-in-law) don't see any problem, don't know, or don't care.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #3
38. Precisely why Kerry strategy sooooo fucking brilliant! Can't stop this
train now!:bounce: :toast: :evilgrin:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #1
14. Yes... I am.
Thank You Amarillys, I had only hoped to give people ideas and maybe encourage others... not all this.

Thank you.

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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 03:11 PM
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18. Awesome.
Edited on Sat Dec-25-04 03:16 PM by Maestro
So are you still a registered republican?

Edit: Geez. I didn't notice the poster's name.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 03:33 PM
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20. It is truly a brillliant letter and is important for Dems who speak
in broad generalizations about Republicans to see.

My best friend from college (we were at Vietnam war protests together in the '60s!!) voted for Bush for the SECOND time... I couln't believe it. But, she is a very honest person who deeply cares about this country. She was getting all her news from Rush and Fox. This election fraud issue has been my "in" with her. She was very alarmed when I told her about the lack of security in e-voting, however, most reluctant to believe that her beloved Republicans could be so corrupt. I told there have been times in the past when Dems have rigged elections also. (Arnebeck has talked about this in some of his interview.)It'just that it's been taken to an unprecedented level with e-voting and tabulating; so much so that we are at risk of completely losing any checks and balances we have, and therefore the very fabric of our democracy.

She actually is beginning to believe that this election may have been rigged, and that maybe she is not getting the whole picture from Rush. She is ONLY listening to me because I am not talking about it in us and them terms, which I must say is very challenging for me at times. I can't tell you how many converstaions I have had with her inside my own head where I was angry and wanting to scream...but I keep reminding myself that she truly does care about the truth and her love for this country is as deep as mine. She is simply misinformed, and in my mind I try to view us as being on the same side, rather than as opposing teams playing against each other. We truly want the same things for ourselves, our families and friends and our country. I can only make inroads when I come from this perspective, and I am making inroads. I am no saint, and it takes a lot of conscious effort on my part to keep coming back to this place when I get frustrated and angry.

We need to be working on this in such a way that we build bridges whenever possible rather than walls. When I was working on Get out the vote, I encountered an undecided voter in my neighborhood who just didn't have enough information to decide. She was frustrated trying to get information from TV. I taped that two hour Frontline program that was a bio of Kerry and Bush, and took it over and asked if she'd like to borrow it. She was very open and a week later when I went back to get it, she said, "That was a good thing you did. I just didn't know enough about Kerry." She told me she was a conservative Christian, but she was going to vote for him. I asked her what she thought about the objectivity of the program (because it definitely made Kerry look far better than Bush! and I was curious). She said, "At first I thought it was biased, but as I watched it, I started thinking that maybe Kerry is just a lot better person than Bush."

And also, Dr_eldritch, I thought your letter deserved to be seen by many because it will inspire those who have not yet contacted their senators and reps to do so--and I believe this is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW- and you make many excellent points people could borrow.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 04:20 PM
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26. I'm an Independent
The longer Bush is in office, the more I lean left.

Actually, I haven't changed, but the right has gone further right and veered off into fascism.

I voted for Wesley Clark in the Democratic presidential primaries and Rep. John J. "Jimmy" Duncan Jr. in the Republican statewide primaries. Then I voted for Kerry and Duncan, a split ticket, in the general election. (BTW, Duncan voted AGAINST the IWR and the $87 billion).

I also would have been happy with McCain if I couldn't get Gore. I voted for McCain in the primaries in 2000, too. Not that it made a difference.

In any case, I think this shows how Independent I am.

I think I'll take your letter and tweak it for independents, but your research is valid and your opinion is one I nearly share.

Thanks for doing this. :)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 10:13 PM
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39. I hear you, I really liked McCain too...
He's always been a listener AND a doer.

I voted for him in the 2000 Primaries too. Couldn't believe Chimpy won.

Then, after the Bush/Gore debates, I knew I coudn't bring myelf to vote for someone whose best tool was ignorance.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 12:07 AM
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yellowdawgdem Donating Member (972 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:18 PM
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2. great read
I'm glad we are getting some republican support for our real problems- it helps that it isn't just dems screaming into a vacuum.
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flygal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:22 PM
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5. Exactly how I feel! This made my holiday!
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:22 PM
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4. Excellent Letter!
These types of letters are particularly frightening to republicans. Especially if the authors have donated or voluntered their time in the past!
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:23 PM
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6. a little googling on the letter's author -- see for yourself
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:26 PM
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8. You can also check his DU profile (n/t)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:58 PM
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16. Holy Crap! - I forgot I wrote that!
I have edited it a little since.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 03:38 PM
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22. What did you change in your edits? Want to put it here? Or is it not that
different?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:32 AM
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46. You did a good job
By the way, the tittle is not from a Republican, but from an American.

After all, only those who can put country before party (and this goes for Democrats who also comit crimes), is a true American

So from one patriot to antoher... congratulations.

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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:24 PM
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7. John Kerry SHOULD be that Senator
If anyone ought to be the opposition leader in this effort, it should be him.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:33 PM
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9. I offered his letter as a 'gift of inspiration' in letters sent to ...
....numerous members of the 109th US Congress. DU link to a copy of one of those letters, here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=195189&mesg_id=195189

Sent it a time early am 25 Dec so I could sorta feel a bit like santa climbing down their chimneys ;-)

Peace.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:35 PM
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10. And thank you for that. You were the one who directed me to his post and
I should have credited you as well! My most humble apologies. This is only my second post and I am still learning how it all works.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:38 PM
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11. Not to worry....
....I have zero pride of authorship and expect zero acknowledgement for anything I might actually contribute here.

The part of my life that is spent at DU and in writing, calling, whatever, is all for the sake of saving our American franchise of democracy on 6 Jan 2005 and never allowing it to come this close to collapse at any time in the future.

Thank you!

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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:44 PM
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12. He's a Republican?
I could have written that.

Great letter... good to know the entire GOP isn't contaminated.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:56 PM
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13. MANY of them feel as we do. I believe strongly it's very important we
don't generalize about Repubs, and in the process alienate potential allies. I think it was Mike Malloy who said Republicans who support Bush are either uninformed or misinformed. Working with voter reg and GOTV was a very valuable education for me as I talked with so many who fit this category and were willing to listen, and once they had more information, decided to vote for Kerry. I also talked to many who were informed who had already decided to votefor Kerry for exactly the reasons stated in this letter.

This is why I feel we need to be careful about getting into an us VS them mentality and making broad generalizations about Republicans as a group. Those of us who are informed are not really all that different in what we want for this country, and uniformed Dems are not that different from uninformed Repubs. They don't have a clue this election was stolen and what a precipice we are standing on.

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liam97 Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:58 PM
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15. Suggestion to author
how about sending it as a LTE or even an op-ed piece? If not to MSM< how about commondreams.org
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 03:58 PM
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23. Good idea. This thing should be all over the web.
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Higans Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 03:10 PM
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17. I liked this part:
The psychology of those who would do nothing can be described as willful negligence through logistical prejudice;

“They could never get away with something like that because it would be too obvious; therefore – it must not have happened.”
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 03:18 PM
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19. Amazing letter, thanks for posting this. I have sent it on to a large
number of people, Republican and Democrat alike. I could not, literally, have said it better myself.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 03:33 PM
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21. I have two very good friends who are Republican. One is moving to Canada.
Edited on Sat Dec-25-04 03:34 PM by Straight Shooter
I'm not kidding. He's gone right now, visiting family on the East Coast, and from there he's traveling to Cape Breton.

The other friend has told me, "I hate to say it, but I'm ashamed to be a Republican." This woman is, herself, a politician, and comes from a long line of politicians, well-respected in the community.

Both friends are absolutely sickened by * and his cronies, and they firmly believe the election was stolen by suppression of people of color and by manipulation of one or more processes of the voting mechanisms.

edit typo
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centerzu Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 04:04 PM
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24. Eloquent letters like this should be blasted to all Senators & HoReps.
Is there a politician blaster out there like the media blaster? I'm new, reading voraciously and responding to action alerts, but I haven't seen anything yet that would enable me to send mail to all with a keystroke or two.

I believe all elected reps should be hearing from all of us about ELECTION CRIMES and our unwillingness to "get over it". All of them are pledged to uphold the law, and we are all affected when they don't - no matter what state we live in. It is said, of course, that they only pay attention to mail from their constituents, but massive, relentless email/fax campaigns might help wake them all up and get more information, rather than disinformation, circulating around the blasted beltway.

Media propaganda, eroding constitutional rights, the dismantling of environmental protections, torture - both here and abroad, and, of course, the "f" word...fascism, are all topics they need to hear about repeatedly.

It might help to slow the profligate, accelerated spending of the mythic social capital.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 04:15 PM
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25. Dr. Eldritch, Thank you for your wonderful letter as it gives me hope in
the future.
I do however wonder how many people share your views of great insight and courage, especially in the realm of politics and corporations.
In our power and greed driven society, some seem to override their own convictions and intellect, merely for gain or out of fear, and unfortunately it is probably on both sides of the aile. And so we see the march following the wrong leader (s)
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gdub Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 04:48 PM
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28. I am also a Republican...
My political career has included opposition research for a Republican gubenatorial campaign (the most successful in my state's history), national fund raising for an unsuccessful Republican Presidential campaign, and a Republican campaign for US Senate.

Quite simply, I am horrified. What is transpiring in our country runs against every democractic principle that I understand to represent our fundamental civic and social ideals.

For me, this is not a partisan issue--Democrat, Republican, Green, Libertarian, Socialist, or other. It is a question as to what we, as a people, believe to be the "right" way to conduct our collective affairs here at home and in the world at large. This notion of "right," for me, arises from my understanding of the original aspirations, goals, and beliefs of our "founding fathers" (and mothers).

Our "American experiment" depends on a continuous reassessment of where "we" are in relation to the original "American idea."

Today, something is fundamentally wrong in our country. And it must be challenged before it is too late.

Please visit my blog, which is dedicated to this effort:
http://scam-o-rama.blogspot.com



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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 05:06 PM
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29. Do you think there's any chance of getting a Republican senator to join
with the Dems in standing up to challenge the electors on Jan. 6?
Do you know how many feel as you do about what is happening, and if they feel strongly enough to challlenge the results of the election?

And I absolutely agree with you that what is happening in this country is not a partisan issue!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 05:21 PM
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 06:00 PM
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32. It blows me away when people refer to BushCo as conservative. They are
the most extreme bunch we've ever had. There is nothing conservative about this level of extremism. We almost need new terms to use. Llike you, I am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.
We can't call BushCo fiscal liberals, but they sure aren't fiscal conservatives!

Are you and your group working on getting senators to stand with the reps on Jan. 6?

I'm working with two different groups in Portland and this is our main focus.
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gdub Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:11 PM
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37. Our focus
up to this point has been educating key individuals in the media about the issue, in order to mobilize powerful liberals who would otherwise be as dazed and complacent as the rest of the country. People in our group have also been working on Theresa, as she seems to have some sway.

Unfortunately, without evidence and without public pressure, support in Congress will not achieve anything.

Congress' power derives from a majority, in both the House and the Senate. One Senator, or ten, without the evidence is not enough. Witness the valiant but lonely efforts of Mr. Conyers. His letters are merely placeholders, easily ignored.

The most important goal over the next two weeks is to preserve and develop the evidentiary record through litigation. The Ohio Supreme Court is solidly Republican and likely a dead end. The best path is through the Southern District of Ohio, where Judge Sargus, a Clinton appointee, appears to be amenable to using his position effectively.

Right at this moment, there are clouds of smoke rolling out of Ohio and elsewhere. But no fire.

Hopefully, the Kerry campaign will take a decisive position on Monday in Judge Sargus' courtroom. If Kerry merely files a motion, without actually joining the suit, I fear it will be just another empty gesture. If Kerry joins the suit and begins to drive the legal process, the Federal discovery process could bring things out into the open.

Once the evidence is developed, then Congress becomes the goal either before the inauguration or after.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 12:09 AM
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42. For us ordinary citizens who are working on this, who are not
in a position to work on gathering evidence, and don't have the kinds of contacts you do, are we headed in the right direction in our focus of educating and mobilizing as many people as possible and working on getting the support of our congress people? Is there anything else you would recommend?
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 01:54 AM
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43. A few more questions...
"Our focus up to this point has been educating key individuals in the media about the issue, in order to mobilize powerful liberals who would otherwise be as dazed and complacent as the rest of the country."

-Are you getting anywhere with the media?
-Do you have any explanation for people like Dean, Michael Moore, Jon Stewart-do they just not get it or are they choosing to remain silent? How can they not get it if they are paying any attention at all? Are you getting anywhere with "powerful liberals?"

"Unfortunately, without evidence and without public pressure, support in Congress will not achieve anything.
One Senator, or ten, without the evidence is not enough. Mr. Conyers... letters are merely placeholders, easily ignored."

-Is what Conyers has collected and what Arnebeck has not evidence?
-What constitutes evidence?
-Does it need to prove that there was sufficient tampering and voter suppression to change the outcome? Arnebeck seems to feel he has this.
-Is there any chance Arnebeck could end up with Judge Sargus, or will his suit stop with Moyer?

"If Kerry merely files a motion, without actually joining the suit, I fear it will be just another empty gesture. If Kerry joins the suit and begins to drive the legal process, the Federal discovery process could bring things out into the open."

-Do you have any idea where Kerry is with all this? This has, of course, been the subject of endless speculation. Did he know going in that they had it rigged? All of us who have been paying attention to the e-voting issue and voter suppression issues leading up to the election knew. And do you think he is in stealth mode, or waiting to see if he feels there is sufficient proof to change the outcome of the election, or really did concede because he felt there was no way he could win?

-How aware do you think most Dems in congress are of the extent of the fraud? Of Conyers work? Are many of them clueless?

I hope these aren't too many questions...I guess if they are, you just won't answer them! You seem to know a lot and so many of us have been groping around in the dark trying to figure it all out.


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gdub Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 06:25 PM
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55. Up to this point...
My understanding is that Kerry has been depressed about losing a national election. Understandably. Remember Al Gore and the Grizzly Adams look? In addition, the envelope of advisors around any politician is very tight. In essence, you hear what people think you should hear. His brother Cam has been very skeptical about the "fraud" allegations, which should give us an idea of what Kerry himself is hearing. Theresa on the other hand seems to get it, but as of last week it was unclear what she was actually doing.

I have not had an update from my people for about a week, despite repeated phone calls and emails. My sense is that nothing has really changed, but I could be wrong. I am hoping to get direct feedback from them on an article for my blog that I expect to publish tomorrow.

With respect to the media, everyone has chimed in so far (NYT, WP, CNN, Charlie Rose, NPR, etc.) with "balanced pieces" of one sort or another. Since there is really no "evidence" of fraud yet, there is no "fraud story." Who in their right mind would go out on a limb at this point if their "career" depended on it? I am not sure I would, but then again my career is not in journalism.

The "evidence" alleged by Arnebeck and others is purely circumstantial at this point. Without an actual showing that the vote should have been X when it was tallied Y, what evidence do we really have? That is why the recount in Ohio was so important. Since the recount only showed 272 new votes for Kerry, people are starting to say: "move on."

The objective at this point should be to seize voting machines, memory cards, and all other available physical evidence so that they may be inspected without the assitance of the voting machine manufacturers. In addition, it is very important to begin a process of formally desposing witnesses, like Blackwell, Rapp and members of the BOEs in various counties. That will help to develop a formal evidentiary record to compare against the circumstantial evidence we have from the exit polls and the obstructive behaviour of various Republican election officials.

I hope this helps. My principal role in all this is as a Blogger. I have good connections, but then again I am a Republican (traditionally), not a democrat. As a result, I am working through friends and friends of friends not political/professional relationships of my own.

Please visit the blog. I hope to publish a new piece on this tomorrow:
http://scam-o-rama.blogspot.com
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satori Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:13 AM
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44. Welcome gdub
Hello Gdup welcome to DU

You have a interesting blog. I was contacted by a Republican computer geek expert, that has fantastic qualifications and he has given me some valuable information concerning the problems of the BBV machines. He asked me if I could help him. I contacted the major media and my Rep no response. Do you think you could help him? Would you like to contact him? Or do you have any suggestions of how I could help him?

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gdub Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 06:28 PM
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56. I am always available for this issue
You can contact me through the "comment" function on the articles in my Blog. Include your email address and I will get it in my normal mailbox.

I appreciate the inquiry and hope that I can help.

http://scam-o-rama.blogspot.com
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:36 AM
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47. From ONE AMERICAN TO ANOTHER,
welcome to the trenches, for what we fight for is the Republic.

;-)

And I wish I was as well connected as you are... but I do what I can.

;-)

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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 05:40 PM
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31. Great find!
Edited on Sat Dec-25-04 05:40 PM by Viva_La_Revolution
Morning B, and Merry Christmas!

We'll meet up after Xmas..
B.

Happy Holidays DU! I can't wait for all the stories next week... how many of our friends and relatives are starting to wonder if we might be right after all...
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 07:11 PM
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33. Kick!
KKKarl finds letters of this type difficult to refute.
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 07:37 PM
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34. Thank You For the Repost Amaryllis!!! I missed it the first time..
around. It sure is a "blockbuster" to me!

By the way, definitely a BIG WELCOME to DU!!

:-)
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MarkusQ Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 07:38 PM
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35. Yes! (n/t)
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #35
40. What's n/t after a post mean?
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:41 AM
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48. Welcome to DU, Amaryllis
It means "no text", same as EOM, "end of message". Hope you enjoy DU. It is a home to so many of us.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 03:05 AM
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49. Thank you. It's great to find others here who are as obsessed
with the election fraud issue as I am. I am working with two groups here on the issue, but they don't match my level of obesssion!
I have been obsessed since last summer when I started reading a lot about e-voting and tabulation of votes, and really understood the level of corruption and potential for fraud, and knew they were going to steal this one too.

Watching the returns Nov. 2, I was saying to my friends, "They did it again; I knew they were going to do it again, it's the damn machines..."
I think they all thought I was a little nuts but now they have come around after I've sent them volumes of emails. The day after the election I was online looking...took me a few weeks to find DU. What a comfort to find others who really get it, and get the implications.

Question for you: Were there a lot of DUers who knew it was stolen on Nov. 2? I think anyone who'd been following the e-voting issue knew. I guess since Bev was posting here, a lot of you must have known?

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59sunburst Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 08:26 PM
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36. Remember
Today's Republican is tomorrow's Democrat.
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:51 AM
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50. Outstanding letter!
You've so succinctly raised so many of the points I've been trying to express myself. I learned during the campaign from people and a lot of reading that the issues you have raised do concern many, Republicans, Democrats, Greens, etc. Concerns are truly an American issue, and I like the way you expressed this in your letter. Thank you!
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 12:33 PM
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52. Outstanding. Kick Forever! n/t
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 01:18 PM
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53. kick.
Awesome letter. People like this are the reason I no longer use words like 'Repuke,' etc. The majority of REP's I meet online are arrogant and uninformed - not to mention nasty as hell and vomit-inducing. But they are not all the same and it is unfair to to lump all REP's together with the vile ones. Same with any group. An idiot is an idiot, regardless of party affiliation. I am very tired of both sides making this a side issue and forgetting (or refusing to acknowledge) that is an American issue.
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WMoses Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 08:35 PM
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60. I wish everyone could...
put this in perspective of American instead of Democrat vs. Republican. As I have said previously, I have been (and still am) a registered Republican for the last 30 years. I have been leaning further away the last 12 years, but never so far as the last four years. The Republican party has been hijacked and many good Americans (who happen to be registered Republicans) are seeing this administration for exactly what it is.

I came here shortly after 11/2/2004 and have been reading a lot more than posting, but I always wanted to see this as an American drive to expose Bush and his neocons rather than being a partisan issue.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 11:15 PM
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62. Couldn't have said it better. I feel the same way about the words "repugs"
Edited on Sun Dec-26-04 11:18 PM by Amaryllis
and "repukes." Lots of very good people out there who are Republicans. And we need to build bridges, not walls, and work together because it is going to take all of us.

I wonder how many Republicans there are on DU who are dismayed over the hijaking of their party? Are there websites for them?
It warms my heart to see them posting here. Maybe there are more who are afraid to "come out." Seeing the terms repugs and repukes doens't exactly create a welcoming environment.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 01:28 PM
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54. Dr. Eldritch, PM me and I will send it along to Buzzflash and
urge them to publish it...if you so desire...
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 06:46 PM
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58. This is a fabulous letter...
Thank you for reposting it. I've been off the computer for a few days and I'm glad this was near the top of the list. Do you know if the senator is went to was Republican or Democrat? I'm so glad the sender was a Republican. It give it much more credence.
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