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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:07 PM
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Prosecuting The Election Fraud Conspiracy
by somtum, rumormillnews.com

The Dean of the Congressional Black Caucus is confident that at least a few U.S. Senators will join House members on January 6 to question the fairness of the November 2 election. John Conyers, Jr., the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, told Salon.com he doesn't believe the Senate will repeat its performance of four years ago, when Black lawmakers sought in vain for one senatorial objection to "official misconduct, deliberate fraud, and an attempt to suppress voter turnout by unlawful means" in Florida, as Congressman Alcee Hastings (D-FL) put it at the time .

"No, I think the Senate is going to go along with an inquiry this time," said Conyers. "I don't think they would embarrass themselves to let this happen two times in a row... I just don't think the Senate would get caught in that position." Conyers is careful not to name names, claiming he hasn't spoken directly to a single Senator, but adding, "there are Republicans who support what I'm doing who haven't been willing to come forward."

Conyers is the indispensable person among the righteous Grinches who are casting a shadow over the Republicans' holiday. Through his hearings in the Capitol and Ohio -- unsanctioned and unattended by Republicans -- and his engagement of the Government Accountability Office to study election "irregularities," the 75-year-old Detroit lawmaker has thrown an institutional spotlight on GOP crimes and misdemeanors. How "high" these crimes can be connected is another story, but there is no doubt that massive violations of a variety of laws occurred on the ground. Conyers prefers to call them "things that went wrong" in swing states like Ohio:

"It depends on what part of the state we're going to examine. In Hocking County, a private company accessed an election machine and altered and tampered with it in the absence of election observers. It disturbed a deputy chair of the election in the county so much that she has given a sworn affidavit that has been turned over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and we're in the process of running that down. But what about in Cleveland, Ohio? There, thousands of people claimed that their vote for Kerry was turned into a vote for Bush. Poll workers made mistakes that might have cost thousands of votes in Cleveland. And in Youngstown, machines turned an undetermined number of Kerry votes into Bush votes as well. Provisional ballots were thrown out. There were several conflicting rules. There was mass confusion. In Warren County, they talked about terrorism might close down the election. I mean, please."

Conspiracy? Conyers understandably avoids using a word that corporate media so eagerly associate with nut cases. Instead, Conyers employs a less loaded term:

"Well, you know, orchestrated attempts don't always require a conspiracy. People get the drift from other elections and the way talk about how they're going to win the election. When you have the exit-polling information discrepancies that occurred in 2004, where the odds of all the swing states coming in so much stronger for Bush than the exit polls indicated - they say that that is, statistically, almost an improbability."


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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:15 PM
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1. The funny part is...
The rethugs are to scared to do damage control. At the moment Conyers has a free reign to lay the ground work. That 15 million might come in handy after january 6th.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:26 PM
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2. Good point.
It does seem like it is a completely radioactive subject for them, save the occasional Hannity witticism.(snark)

It's like they are hoping that if they ignore it, it will go away.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:30 PM
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4. They are getting nervous though
I have heard some callers to the Shultz show, "get over it, Bush won."

And this is the Shultz Show, the one that woudl not touch this one with a ten foot pole when it started.

I mention those... because I find it funny.

By the way, been intending to ask, is that your bird? We have three kids, feathered children that is.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:40 PM
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5. Oh yes...
That is my little girl, who has a new pleasure in her life: sleeping on my chest, under the covers. She wants to do it all the time now.

She does not GET to do it all the time now. ;-)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:45 PM
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7. My sun conure loves to do that too
THough she is punishing us. We had a visitor for a couple weeks, after she found she was not an only daughter....

They are amazing...

:-)

Now back to the issue at hand, before the mods get us.

Seems our boy will unconcede on the sixth... are you ready for the explosion across the nation? I mean this will have to be on the Five O Clock... no way they can hold NOT COVERING that
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:55 PM
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9. I will do my Chance Gardner impression.
I will...watch. I like to watch. ;-)
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:17 AM
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11. Ah, but they are not ignoring us
I was completely creeped out tonight when I checked out a thread from a DUer? who linked us to blog sites whose sole purpose, it seemed was to undermine our work. Yes, many repukes are hateful individuals, but this seemed to be professional propaganda.
No, we have their attention.
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 08:21 PM
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17. Red Ostriches!
Great point! They're hiding their collective head in the sand right now because they know that once evidence is presented in one of the lawsuits and/or the statewide hand recount begins, they won't be able to keep all of the plates spinning at once.

Not even the Bushoviks can juggle that many items at once!

Kick for Kerry!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:29 PM
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3. I hate conspiracy, can we just use enterprise?
9-110.100 Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO)

On October 15, 1970, the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970 became law. Title IX of the Act is the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Statute (18 U.S.C. §§ 1961-1968), commonly referred to as the "RICO" statute. The purpose of the RICO statute is "the elimination of the infiltration of organized crime and racketeering into legitimate organizations operating in interstate commerce." S.Rep. No. 617, 91st Cong., 1st Sess. 76 (1969). However, the statute is sufficiently broad to encompass illegal activities relating to any enterprise affecting interstate or foreign commerce.

Section 1961(10) of Title 18 provides that the Attorney General may designate any department or agency to conduct investigations authorized by the RICO statute and such department or agency may use the investigative provisions of the statute or the investigative power of such department or agency otherwise conferred by law. Absent a specific designation by the Attorney General, jurisdiction to conduct investigations for violations of 18 U.S.C. § 1962 lies with the agency having jurisdiction over the violations constituting the pattern of racketeering activity listed in 18 U.S.C. § 1961.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/110mcrm.htm#9-110.100
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:42 PM
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6. If they can crack this can of worms open...
It would seem that it could be tailor-made for charges under the RICO statute.

Of course, with this Justice Dept...
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 03:28 AM
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13. But let's IMAGINE a KERRY Justice Dept. doing it!
Then the Hague.

There are some RICO suits being attempted.

Some are critical of it, but here's one by Phillip Berg/Rodriguez, where he refers to "THE ENTERPRISE". And for what it's worth, he names names. A lot of 'em, too!

<http://www.911forthetruth.com/#>


Plus, among the crimes he alledges is Florida 2000.

<http://www.911forthetruth.com/pages/RodriguezComplaint10b.htm>


VISUALIZE TRIALS
;)
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 03:04 PM
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16. Hi Wilms!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:54 PM
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8. I've been pushing for a RICO investigation of the GOP for a month, now....
Edited on Sun Dec-26-04 12:00 AM by hootinholler
I'm glad someone else is going there too. The other thing it would do is allow the selection of a friendly circuit.

And while we're at it throw in some of those Patriot Act steath warrants too, after all this does relate to national security. (and the irony factor would be too high)

-Hoot
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 12:49 AM
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10. Most definitely, they wrote it, they should be abused by it, just
like the rest of us!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:58 AM
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12. Only for a month now?
C'mon, get with it! For me, it's been a little bit longer. :)

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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:13 AM
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14. I'm slow ;) nt
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