leftyandproud
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:31 AM
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Holy SHIT... Bush wins **WITHOUT** Ohio! |
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:33 AM
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i thought Kerry won it...from CNN:
Kerry 1,488,935 50% Bush 1,477,122 49%
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:35 AM
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Apparently they are going 70% Bush, and none of them are back yet.
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:39 AM
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8. If the military has gone 70% for Bush, then |
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my "support the troops" days are over! It's one thing to be sent where you don't want to go, for reasons you don't understand, but it is altogether different when you actively support a murdering, war criminal - while pulling the trigger for him!!
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:41 AM
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Thu Nov-04-04 10:00 AM
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18. What about the other 30%? |
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I'm sure they still want your support. OP
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Thu Nov-04-04 11:26 AM
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19. They are still acting as trigger men |
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Thu Nov-04-04 02:02 PM
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39. real clear politics? They are freepers. |
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Thu Nov-04-04 02:08 PM
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hope you don't have draft age kids, becuase the draft is now coming
They have taken the first steps
Oh and by the way, I don't buy it and I will tell you why... for the first time in history many in our military did not have a private and SECRET vote... you DO know what that means if you are in a combat zone, don't you?
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Thu Nov-04-04 12:03 PM
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25. You had "support the troops" days?! |
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Thu Nov-04-04 03:07 PM
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about troops' votes going through the Pentagon? Electronically?
Maybe I have this wrong, but if so, don't believe 70% for *
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Thu Nov-04-04 12:40 PM
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26. Then there need to be 17,000 outstanding military ballots |
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:35 AM
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3. Why depressed? Look at the pretty colors: |
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:38 AM
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6. the pretty colors are fucking me up... |
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thanks for the post, I'm feeling less depressed, more angry. Cant we do anything?
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:41 AM
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12. Unfortunately, Dems ignored it when they still had any clouts |
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It sank us like quick sand. No one can bring change now - not legislatively. Kerry's famous last words:
"I have no time for those crying for lost elections" Campaign trail - 2003
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Thu Nov-04-04 01:47 PM
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35. can't we? - especially |
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when WE seem to be the ones who actually KNOW WHY we voted the way we did or didn't. ask a bushified citizen and they have NO clue - they say "i don't want to talk about it" - :wtf:
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:35 AM
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:36 AM
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5. I hate to bring this up, but |
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if every Nader vote had gone to Kerry, he would have won. I am not a Nader basher, because I think that if any citizen is in a position where he or she cannot vote their convictions, then it's no democracy. However, the numbers will fuel anti-Ralph feelings everywhere... *sigh*
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:39 AM
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7. Nader made little to no difference... |
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the folks voting for nader would've lilely voted for any third party candidate
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:41 AM
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13. I am just saying that the percentages |
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Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 09:42 AM by Dhalgren
that Kerry lost by in several states were smaller than the percentage Ralph got in those states. That's all...
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:42 AM
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14. Not true, really. In Florida Diebold pumped him some votes |
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24,000 - last I checked on election night - may be much more by now.
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Thu Nov-04-04 12:43 PM
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27. Not that he didn't try (NH looked like 2000 for a while) |
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My point is - BFEE propped his run for a more devious reason - in Dem strongholds, Diebold shifted some votes his way. A useful diversion.
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:40 AM
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I think that website is pro Bush. At www.madison.com the Wisconsin State Journal says the state went for Kerry.
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:44 AM
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15. I hope you are right, or I will lose a lot more faith in people |
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Thu Nov-04-04 11:41 AM
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22. Good point, but Nader was NOT on the ballot here in Ohio. n/t |
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Thu Nov-04-04 11:43 AM
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23. Not this time, but if Nader hadn't |
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run in 2000 we wouldn't be having this dimwit as president NOW. I realize Nader wasn't the only factor and perhaps the voter fraud in 2000 would have still made doofus president even if Nader hadn't gotten the votes he did in Florida. Nevertheless, I hope to never see his name on a ballot again.
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:40 AM
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10. I'm confused - that link goes to an election morning projection |
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has Wisconsin really gone red post-election? last I heard they had gone to Kerry.
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:47 AM
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16. thats not a correct map.... |
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Thu Nov-04-04 09:52 AM
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17. That was the RCP PROJECTED count. |
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Not the results of the election. Wisconsin, to the best of my knowledge, is still blue.
Why did Kerry lose, btw? The Republicans mounted the most successful GOTV operation in history. If the Democrats had mounted the same kind of operation--where they got ALL of their voters to the polls--they would have won Ohio, Florida, or both.
It sucks to lose but Dems will help themselves if they realize they can learn a lot from what the Republicans did this year. Dems are stuck in this mode of thinking that elections are about a candidate standing on a box, looking into a camera, and saying, "Please vote for me".
It's not like that anymore. The Republicans have invented a new kind of retail politics where the wall between candidate and voter is stripped away (Republicans in Florida and Ohio targeted EACH voter as an individual, their operation was that intense).
To those who think the election was stolen. I don't think that occurred. Even if it did, though, the above still stands--the Dems simply have to create a better machine to manage campaigns on all levels.
Groups like DU are the future of politics. The Dems will do better if we all demand that they create a better organization and are willing to participate.
Kerry ran a good campaign. Voters did their jobs. We lost the race at this intermediate level (and can fix the problem if we're honest and own up to it).
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Thu Nov-04-04 11:32 AM
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20. I heard a republican operative on NPR this morning |
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say that the way the GOP galvanized their base was by putting hot-button issues on the ballot. Like gay marriage and things like that. This got the knuckle draggers to the polls and while they were there they voted for Caligula. The Democrats need to come up with ballot issues that will motivate people who are Dem-leaning to get to the polls. That was a clever idea - those pesky Imperial Republican Guards...
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Thu Nov-04-04 11:36 AM
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21. Yep. Gay marriage ban in OH passed by a huge margin. |
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That means all the God fearing religious fanatics claimed out from under their rocks or whatever other place they were hiding under. The amendment passed overwhelmingly. Apparently, my state is full of people who couldn't care less if they have jobs or medical care, as long as two gays aren't allowed to marry, whole world can go to hell.
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Thu Nov-04-04 11:49 AM
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24. Take a look at the states where fraud was predicted BEFORE the election |
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and where anomalous results were found AFTER the election.
Our fellow citizens did not elect Bush. They came out for Kerry.
This is not tinfoil hat stuff here. Put down the anti-tinfoil shielding and pick up your statistics book. Then get off your duff and start working to save democracy, NOW.
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Thu Nov-04-04 12:45 PM
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28. But how? Legistation is made by people in power - and it ain't us. |
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Dems chose to igore the problem when they still had some power - too late now.
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Thu Nov-04-04 12:45 PM
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Bush won the popular vote by over 3.5 million. Thats hardly fraud or a fluke. Thats the people voiceing their opinion. Kerry lost and not by a small margin.
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Thu Nov-04-04 01:41 PM
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31. read this to see how they padded the popular vote. |
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Thu Nov-04-04 02:38 PM
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41. They are also the same states where the |
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exit polls didn't match the results. I'm convinced of fraud.
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Thu Nov-04-04 01:27 PM
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30. Whose side are you on????? |
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Thu Nov-04-04 01:48 PM
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36. Yup, leftyandproud, read the CNN results: |
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it has WI as Kerry Blue (50-49). Sorry.
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Thu Nov-04-04 01:43 PM
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32. realclearpolitics is a RW haven |
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Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 01:49 PM by cubsfan forever
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Thu Nov-04-04 01:45 PM
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33. that was a depressing map |
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Thu Nov-04-04 01:47 PM
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34. WI is projected blue in most maps. Why is this one red? n/t |
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Thu Nov-04-04 01:48 PM
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Thu Nov-04-04 02:00 PM
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38. that is a projected map from 11/02 in the am!!!! Look again. |
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Thu Nov-04-04 02:49 PM
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Pretty accurate too. They must have had advance knowledge of the Repug black operations.
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Thu Nov-04-04 02:59 PM
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43. Bogus! This is the election morning final projection. Not real results. |
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Thu Nov-04-04 03:10 PM
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45. RealClearPolitics IS A RIGHT WING SITE! |
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why do you post this shit?
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Thu Nov-04-04 03:39 PM
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46. send it to Randi...she'll be all over it ..n/t |
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Thu Nov-04-04 03:40 PM
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47. She just covered exactly what votes were not counted |
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You guessed it.. MILITARY BALLOTS.
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