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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 10:44 PM
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GOP Officials Try to Squelch Recount Efforts in Ohio, Washington
Sunday, December 26, 2004

G.O.P. Officials Exhume Talking Points from 2000 Presidential Election to Try to Squelch Recount Efforts in Ohio, Washington

By ADVOCATE STAFF

-snip-
In a Christmas Eve article in the Cincinnati Enquirer, Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell tells the influential paper that present recount procedures are "too inviting of mischief." In a separate interview, State Representative Kevin DeWine (R-Fairborn), cousin of prominent Bush supporter U.S. Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH), alleges that the parties seeking a recount in Ohio -- Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb and Libertarian Party presidential candidate Michael Badnarik -- may have "mischief on their mind(s)."

Washington state Republicans filing a lawsuit on behalf of defeated Republican gubernatorial candidate Dino Rossi have alleged, in court filings, that to allow the King County (WA) Canvassing Board to review previously discarded ballots would "invite mischief." And an amicus curiae ("friend of the court") brief filed in support of Rossi by former Republican State Attorney General Ken Eikenberry alleges that the recount offers Democrats an "opportunity for mischief."

Could it be that not only Democrats, but prominent Republicans as well are beginning to see Ohio and Washington as the Floridas of 2004?

continued...
http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/2004/12/news-election-2004-gop-officials.html
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 10:46 PM
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1. Right.... we're forgetting.... truth seeking = mischief n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 10:53 PM
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2. They sure don't want anybody in office that isn't a miss it in Chief
do they?
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 10:59 PM
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3. Hope we have a "machine" set up to deflect this crap....
eom
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 11:02 PM
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4. When is Kerry going to speak out?
I'm not talking about filing briefs or writing angry letters. Why do I get to listen to jerks like Blackwell and Dewine but I still hear NOTHING from Kerry? For god's sake, get in the game already.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 02:38 PM
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21. Hi enough already!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 11:56 PM
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5. So, the talking point is "Mischief"
Can we counter it with "Mis-Commander-in-Chief?"
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:44 AM
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8. Or maybe.. "Commander-in-Mis-Chief"
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:55 AM
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10. Hey dzika
where can I read an update on Katrina? I know they are not supposed to be on DU anymore, but I'm still interested in her reports from ground O (like ground 0/zero--but with an O for OHIO)... any links?
Thanks.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 02:46 AM
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14. liberalla, Thanks for the request...
I really wish I could give you more information but there are no public reports that can be posted.
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Dolphyn Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 02:39 AM
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12. Does the Mis-Chief have a Man-Date?
Just wondering.

:evilgrin:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:28 PM
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19. THAT'S EVEN BETTER!
Let's go with it! :evilgrin:
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 02:51 PM
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25. The Commander...
...in Mis-Cheif may not have the MAN-DATE he craves, but he sure takes that pool picture of John Kerry into the bathroom a lot, and asks Laura NOT to disturb him.
:evilgrin:
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starmaker Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:00 AM
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6. via public disinformation
or sensory confusion

old human characteristic to accuse others
of what you are doing

tell a lie and a truth in the same sentence
what do you believe

see everyone in dc on the 6th
our vote counting depends on it
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:24 AM
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7. Guess they all got the Rove memo investigating=mischief
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NotNInch Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:49 AM
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9. Bring it on !
Yes the dems, the greens, and the libs have mischief on their mind - republican mischief. And we are rooting it out everywhere we find it. Will we find it all? Probably not, but we are finding enough to sink this stinking fascist administration.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 02:03 AM
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11. WHAT? there's mischief in the election? we need to investigate!
;)
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SleeplessinSoCal Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 02:42 AM
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13. No Surrender
It's now or never. Time to get serious. Plan to march and make noise.

This corruption is unacceptable. We have a Constitution to protect.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 02:47 AM
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15. Uh, Gregoire, up 10
Without the previously discarded ballots. Isn't that right? Mischief my ass, they're distorting the news again.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 03:28 AM
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16. I would be surprised if Rove...
...didn't spend all weekend trying to figure the best ways to discredit, discourage and destroy any efforts to find the criminals that have stolen this election.

Yes, there will be "talking points", lots of "talk points"... he has spent all weekend writing the memos that will be passed out to his dis-information machine. In fact, Monday is here. The gears are already in motion.

The more we here the same phrases - over and over - the more we will know that Rove is behind it. You will be able to gage their concern by the frequency of their insistence of mischief and the many other "talking points" to come.

They have used this MO repeatedly, and it has worked. The MSM is trained to so well to take Rove's BS and turn it into reality for everyone out in TV land.

That's not to say we can't take Rove's lunch... This administration has never has never liked things that they could not control. I believe that there are millions of people with a nagging feeling in their gut. They know something is wrong.

Consider how fast B*s approval ratings dropped after the election spin machine shut down.

Consider that 1 in 5 voters have doubts about their vote being counted properly.

We can win but we must not believe the framing we will see in the MSM. We must remember that our strength comes from acting upon our individual free will along with the common desire of our multitudes.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 04:35 AM
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17. If those Greens and Libertarians don't stop stirring up "mischief"
we won't let them into the presidential debates.

So the word is "mischief". Let's all :puke: it together. "MISCHIEF"

Oh, my!
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Yellow Horse Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 06:09 AM
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18. From Eastern Ohio Recount Coord - Response to Cincy Article
Dear Mr. Siegel:

As one of the Regional Coordinators for the Green Party's 2004 recount of the Ohio presidential race, I am writing to you about your December 24 article, "Recount expense criticized".

A bit of background about myself, I am actually a registered Democrat who has many years of service as a pollworker in Western Pennsylvania, within commuting distance of the eastern Ohio border. Although Senator Kerry officially "won" my home state, from the minute I delivered my local precinct results to my own county courthouse on election night I knew there was something desperately wrong with the election of 2004. The usual celebratory atmosphere among our election workers (of all political stripes) was more like that of people witnessing a funeral as the results came in. In the days and weeks following the election, the level of general distrust in the election and complaint among people in my area reached unprecedented levels. Even my own mother cancelled the major surgery she had scheduled for mid-November because the election had her so upset.

When I learned that the Green Party candidate David Cobb was seeking a recount to audit the 2004 vote in nearby Ohio, I jumped at the opportunity to join his party’s effort. I ended up coordinating volunteer recount observers in four Eastern Ohio counties near my home -- Belmont, Jefferson, Harrison, and Monroe. By joining the recount, I had no wish to overturn any election results, and certainly no preconceived notion of any fraud waiting to be discovered. Because of my pollworker experience, and because of my concern for the sanctity of the voting process in our democracy, I simply wanted to learn, if possible, why I and so many other voters felt so strongly that "something was wrong."

In retrospect, I believe that the citizens of Ohio spent their money and time well on this recount of the 2004 vote. Why? Because it is always a good idea to audit. If there is indeed nothing wrong, nothing to hide, then simply let everyone take a look. And if there is anything wrong, it needs to be found and fixed. Although results are still being analyzed, the recount did reveal many areas in the voting process that seem to need attention or improvement -- not only applicable to Ohio but to other states as well.

I am shocked and appalled at the suggestion of Kenneth Blackwell and others to “restrict” recount efforts in future elections, or to price them beyond the reach of smaller political parties. Any such restriction will only serve to marginalize all but the major candidates, and will only increase voter distrust in the whole political process.

Persons quoted in your article seem to have the notion that a hand recount or audit of the votes (or even a small three percent of the votes as was actually hand-counted this time) is a waste of time and money unless somebody has a chance of changing the results and "winning". Nothing could be further from the truth. It is only common sense that any organization or activity be audited on a regular basis, from our smallest community clubs to our largest banks, yet our elections are not. Generally, we count the votes once, say "trust us, we got it right", and rush the election materials to deep storage or to the incinerator. And that is wrong. After going through the recount process in your state, I have come to believe that a random audit of the vote, on a regular basis in all states, would be very prudent. In a nation where we can spend $50 million to re-inaugurate an incumbent President, certainly we can budget a few dollars to make sure that we really did “get it right” in any election that may have put him there.

Having been involved over the past weeks as a recount observer myself, in several Ohio counties, I fail to see the extreme costs complained about by Mr. Blackwell and others in your article. In the vast majority of Ohio counties, the recount effort took less than one day. And in the few counties that took a bit longer, is not a little extra staff time or computer time a small price to pay to earn the trust of the public in our voting process? Until the Ohio Recount of 2004, there had never been a full, statewide recount or audit of a Presidential vote before, in any state. I am proud to have been a participant; and am honored to have worked with David Cobb and the Green Party, the volunteer observers, the Ohio Boards of Election, and all others who made up this historic effort to improve our democracy.

Marybeth Kuznik
Eastern OH - PA Border Region Recount Coordinator
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:35 PM
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20. Excellent response.
Thank you for all of your efforts to get involved and make a difference. We are truly grateful for your dedication to the cause!

I hope your letter gets published. You make many excellent points.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 02:39 PM
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22. Hi Yellow Horse!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Yellow Horse Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 02:59 PM
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27. Thanks, newyawker!
But I have been hanging around DU before; it is how I originally found out about the recount... links posted here on DU to votecobb.org was how I got involved in it, actually!

:-)

NYC or state?
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 02:39 PM
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23. The GOP doesn't want to count the votes???
What a f*cking surprise! :eyes:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 02:45 PM
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24. My reply to the gop
Make the friggin system transparent for everyone to be assured there is no mischief.
If you can't validate the election, the election is not legitimate.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 02:58 PM
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26. To accuse these people of mischief it to accuse all Dems and
Independents. The Republicans carry a legacy from 2000. Rove carries a legacy. Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris carry a legacy.
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