Guy on CBS says: "Exit polls held up, Kerry would be Prez"

[Stand and Fight]

rwork (722 posts) Mon Dec-27-04 09:11 AM
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Could'nt sleep last night.


Watched CBS News.About 3:30 AM, I listened to discussion about Ukraine election.CBS expert said if exit polls hold up,challenger should win. He also mentioned if exit polls had held up in US,Kerry would be president.They will say this at 3:30 in the morning.

[Eloriel]

1. Fox was talking about it yesterday

Panel discussion with the question being what was your most memorable moment of 2004? Was it Fred Barnes or Wm Krystol who said, "Election night, watching the returns, about 8:15 when I realized the exit polls were wrong."

[mod mom]

2. Who said it? Which reporter?

We should contact him(her) and feed him(her) info.

[proudbluestater]

3. It's funny what you might hear in the middle of the night when

very few people are awake!

[Clark2008]

5. I think that's so the MSM

can cover their freeping asses.

"Yeah, we reported on it..." at 3 o'clock in the morning, but "Yeah, we covered it..."

:dunce:

[Patsy Stone]

8. Hi! I answered an old question you asked me in another thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=194892&mesg_id=195769

Not sure if you saw it or not. These replies disappear so quickly. Peace.

[madison2000]

4. yeah, those exit polls have minds of their own

don't they realize how ridiculous it sounds?

[Stand and Fight]

6. No...

They're such candy-ass morons that they can't see the ironic hypocrisy in their own words. Just look at the Ukraine for example. We have to nip this in the bud. Take 'em to the woodshed and make it painfully apparent to them and any who would say that this election was transparent.

[Patsy Stone]

7. I still haven't been able to figure this out:

Why would they waste so many minutes of airtime with stories about the elections in Ukraine, and not mention anything about what's going on here? How many people could even find Ukraine on a map? Not *, that's for sure.

Was this a news program that was re-broadcast, or are they on live at 3:30 a.m.? If it was a re-braodcast, maybe other people saw it, too.

Aside from the assumption that the meeeedjia blows (ok, not really an assumption) do you have any thoughts on why they would bother with Ukraine (it was, after all, during Thanksgiving weekend) and leave this for the middle of the night? Looking for any theories here...

[Stand and Fight]

9. The answer lies in the candidate...

Think about the candidate, Patsy. How many people here have actually done research on the opposition candidate in the Ukraine? Has it occurred to anyone that maybe he's the bad guy, the elitist? I mean, consider the fact that they were funded by our State Department under the Bush administration. I think that if you Google Viktor Yushchenko, Patsy, you will be surprised at the parallels between he and Bush. His wife, a Ukrainian-American, is a former State Department employee, and some have even speculated that she may be a CIA operative. He's also for privatizing the economy -- just like Bush. He has connection to oil through having ties in the Ukrainian gas market. I have wondered if perhaps some of this is why the exit polls were right in the Ukraine but wrong here. Maybe the exit polls in the Ukraine were fixed along with the votes? Speculation, but it may point to the hypocrisy in our right-wing media... Take a look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko

[Patsy Stone]

10. Thanks for that.

To be honest, there are so many possibilities, I can't pick just one. I am fascinated by the sign-language interpreter who was the one to admit she couldn't further a fradulent outcome by reporting the election results. Is she OK, btw?

These are indeed scary, Orwellian times we live in and the mis/dis information all around is mind-boggling. I stay at home under the covers a lot!

I had just assumed that our lazy-ass, profit-driven MSM moved on back to the Peterson trial as scheduled. If they prove to be complict in this scam (well, either scam) it will be something to see.

Peace.

[zann725]

11. I tend to agree. If OUR Admin. 'backs' him, & say he's "West-leaning"...

that means he's our puppet...so he's NOT the good-guy. Remember, most of what we hear in MSM tends to be almost opposite from the Truth. So if they say he's good, and we 'spin' that around, he's...well, you know....

Also, Yuschencko's wife not only worked in the U.S. State Dept...but worked in REAGAN's State Department!

Plus I read on one of these threads a few weeks back that the U.S. invested something like $14 Million into the Russian elections. So one can only guess what kind of 'exit polls' and 'results' that kind of money buys in Russia!

I just think it's so funny that our MSM is touting the credibility of the 'exit polls' there as the final word on the Ukrainian Election Results, yet poo-poo's the 'exit polls' here as flawed. Oh well, maybe no one will notice...

[Patsy Stone]

12. zann725, I noticed :) n/t

[spooked911]

13. You're right-- he is our puppet

And Putin wanted the other guy, who is more of a socialist.

How do you think Russia and Putin feels knowing we meddled in the election of their neighboring country?

[marcologico]

15. Putin is mad as hell

And lately he's taken to calling our Iraq adventure a colonial occupation in violation of international law... not good.

[sepia_steel]

18. Yikes!

Not surprising, marc. * is making us EVERYONE's enemy. Oh, except the saudis, who he'll probably screw over later. I am madder and more discouraged by the day. :(

[Patsy Stone]

19. Don't forget

the symbolic signing of the Kyoto treaty. Kind of a big FU to W -- and it makes W look like the stupid-ass theocrat he is. Oy.

[mirandapriestly]

16. On NPR yesterday they were reporting on Ukraine

and announced that Putin said that the U.S was behind demonstrations and fraud claims in the Ukraine. Then when they made the same report later they cut that part out.

[Blue_In_AK]

17. Absolutely, Stand and Fight.

This has been my thought all along. The "Administration" has W-A-Y too much interest in the Ukraine election for it to be just simply wanting to make sure they had an "honest election." Puh-leeze.

[helderheid]

14. Write letters to the editor

in your local paper congratulating the Ukraine for having a democracy. Say something about their success in breaking through to our MSM. End it with something about our MSM finding their democracy more newsworthy than our own. If someone comes up with an articulate letter and doesn't mind sharing it here for us to use with our own local papers, please do!

[Peace Patriot]

20. Dear MSM:

Why would the Bush administration extol the election Exit Polls in the Ukraine, which showed that the candidate that they supported had won the Ukraine election, while dismissing the Exit Polls in the United States, which showed that John Kerry won the 2004 election here?

Why don't you do news investigations of: 1) The differences between the Ukraine and the U.S. Exit Polls and why the U.S. Exit Polls are bunk (or not); 2) What ulterior motives the Bush administration might have in favoring one candidate over another in the Ukraine (oil, gas, cheap labor, only big powerful rich men benefiting from resources?), and how much of our money the Bush administration infused into the Ukrainian election to get the result they wanted; 3) Do the people of the Ukraine have their own independent reasons for supporting the Bush-preferred candidate (or was it wholly CIA psyops that spurred the Ukrainians to resist a fraudulent election)?; 4) What do you think the reaction would have been in the U.S. on Nov. 2-3 if American voters had known that John Kerry won in the Exit Polls and George Bush won in the "official results"--information that was denied them by the TV networks mixing the "official results" into the Exit Poll results late in the day on Nov. 2, so that it appeared that George Bush had won both? Would American voters have cared?; 5) Why the Ukrainians had pure Exit Poll data to compare with the "official results," and Americans did not; 6) Why would the Bush donors who head all of the electronic voting machine companies on which Americans voted in 2004 not want a paper trail for election recounts, audits and verification, and why did the Republicans in Congress prevent a paper trail provision from ever coming to a vote in the House? 7) Why wouldn't Bush donors who head the electronic voting machine companies and their Republican allies in Congress want to prove the efficacy of their electronic voting machines, and the honesty of the election, by providing a paper trail?; 8) If companies whose CEOs are Bush donors hold the computer programming source code that runs the central vote tabulators as secret, proprietary information, how can American voters be sure that the source code was not pre-programmed or hacked to produce a Bush victory?; 9) What are the differences or similarities between the U.S., Ukraine and Venezuelan election systems, as to, a) a paper receipt for every vote, and b) open (publicly reviewable) source code running the electronic vote tabulators?; 10) What is the content of the letters that Congressman John Conyers recently sent to the Triad voting machine company and the Secretary of State in Ohio, with cc's to the FBI and the Ohio Attorney General, and why would this be important to Americans who voted in 2004?

Oh, and, yeah, how's Michael Jackson lately? Isn't his trial coming up soon?

Yours sincerely, Peace Patriot

________________

Admittedly, this letter has complicated questions, and is ambiguous in its points about the Ukraine election (though not about the Bush election)--but isn't that what journalism is for, to help the public find out what's happening and help us sort out complex questions of foreign and national policy?

I guess not. But we can still ask them to.

[bobbieinok]

22. much easier to read if you would bullet point the questions

[FogerRox]

21. thats why we gotta picket CBS,,http://www.51capitalmarch.com /

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The MSM black out is symbolic of Support for Bush. 'till this point it has been good 4 Us.
NOw what needs to be done is to hit the streets --think Ukraine.

Join the protest @ CBS in NYC or protest in DC--or protest a TV station in your area.

http://www.51capitalmarch.com /
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[GetTheRightVote]

23. Ukr, US, now the Iraq elections are next, one stolen election after anothr

:grr:

It is becoming very obvious what Bush is about, why is it so hard for so many Americans to see it ?? I just do not get it.

[FogerRox]

24. I know you do--& So do I--and some 30 million Peeps who dont need

the MSM to tell us what to thikn--advertisers will get it and then the MSM will have a problem--LOL

[EVDebs]

25. Dick Morris said this on election night !

Dick Morris on Fox Snoooze no less said that exit polls were almost never wrong and that something was haywire. This was Nov 2nd.

He went on to editorialize at http://www.thehill.com/morris/110404.aspx
suspecting foul play. On the exit pollsters part. I think foul play on the election officials/Republicans part.

Who is correct ?

[FogerRox]

26. Morris is a tool. the fact that he came out so early with his reasoning is

reason to suspect that it is miss/dis-information. The timing is SOO perfect and his explaination was in perfect order.

Yeah sure DICK.


My Mission: TARGET CBS

Join the protest @ CBS in NYC or protest in DC--or protest a TV station in your area. If enough Peeps show @ CBS I will extend the efforts to other outlets.

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