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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 08:39 PM
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Help - Seeking Ohio exit polls & Triad tech admission
I'm working on a summary of Ohio election fraud evidence to send far and wide (will post at DU, too) --

I've seen (and lost) and need DU posts on the following:

1) How many exit polls were conducted in Ohio? Do we have results for any of them?

2) To whom and in which county did the Triad technician admit that there were internal modems in the tabulators? (If you have the link to this quote -- does it mean what I think it means -- that the computer could have been contacted using cell phone technology?)

Thanks for any/all help!

:kick:



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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 08:47 PM
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1. Truth Is All posted this --
I don't have the link, but here is the post.

Truth is All DU 12 26 04

THE NATIONAL VOTE/EXIT POLL TIMELINE
AND THE OHIO/FLORIDA EXIT POLL DISCREPANCIES.

NATIONAL VOTE
9:06PM: Bush was winning the popular vote: 54.8% - 45.2%
Kerry was winning the exit polls: 50.8% - 47.8%
How could this be?
Popular Vote (in millions) Time Bush Pct Kerry Pct 8:50pm 6.59 55.7% 5.24 44.3% 9:00pm 8.28 55.3% 6.70 44.7% 9:06pm 9.26 54.8% 7.65 45.2%
NATIONAL EXIT POLL 9:06pm: Bush Kerry Women 54% 45% 54% Men 46% 51% 47% Total 100% 47.76% 50.78%
Very strange, very strange.
*************************************************
OHIO
At 7:32PM, Kerry was winning both the male AND female exit polls
Of 1963 polled, Kerry led by 52.1-47.9%
By 1:41AM, the numbers had reversed. Of 2020 polled, Bush led 50.9-48.6%
How could this have occurred with an increase of only 57 polled?
Very strange, very strange.
7:32PM 1963 Polled Bush Kerry
Women 53% 47% 53%
Men 47% 49% 51%
Total 100% 47.94% 52.06%

1:41AM 2020 Polled Bush Kerry
Women 53% 50% 50%
Men 47% 52% 47%
Total 100% 50.94% 48.59%
*****************************************************
FLORIDA
At 8:40PM, Kerry led the women polled: 52-47%
Of 2846 polled, Kerry led 49.7-49.3%
By 1:01AM, the situation had reversed.
Of 2862 polled, Bush led 51.4-47.6%
How could this have occurred with an increase of only 16 polled?
Very strange, very strange.
8:40PM 2846 Polled Bush Kerry
Women 54% 47% 52%
Men 46% 52% 47%
Total 100% 49.30% 49.70%

1:01AM 2862 Polled Bush Kerry
Women 54% 50% 49%
Men 46% 53% 46%
Total 100% 51.38% 47.62%

~~~~~~~~~
Truth is All
To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe:
1. That his vote tallies could exceed his exit poll percentage in FL by 4%. Based on 2846 individuals exit polled, the polling margin of error was 1.84%.
The odds of this occurrence: 1 out of 1667.

2. That his vote tallies could exceed his exit poll percentage in OH by 3%. Based on 1963 individuals exit polled, the polling margin of error was 2.21%.
The odds of this occurrence: 1 out of 333.

3. That his vote tallies could exceed his exit poll percentages in 41 out of 51 states.
The odds of this occurrence: 1 out of 135,000.

4. That his vote tallies could exceed the margin of error in 16 states. Not one state vote tally exceeded the MOE for Kerry.
The odds of this occurrence: 1 out of 13.5 trillion.

5. That his vote tallies could exceed a 2% exit poll margin of error in 23 states.
The probability of this occurrence: as close to ZERO as you can get.

6. That of 88 documented touch screen incidents, 86 voters would see their vote for Kerry come up Bush - and only TWO from Bush to Kerry.
The probability of this occurrence: as close to ZERO as you can get.

7. That Mitofsky, with 25 years of experience, has lost his exit polling touch.

8. That by disputing the Ukrainian elections, the Bush administration would base its case on the accuracy of U.S. sponsored exit polling, while at the same time ignoring exit polls in the U.S. presidential election, which the media reported Kerry was winning handily.

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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 08:49 PM
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2. remote
Fulton County, Ohio
"The Director for Fulton told me that Triad is able to reprogram the computer to count only the Presidential ballots by remote dial-up."



2004 Ballot Recount: Observer Report
Cobb - LaMarche Ballot Recount Reports by County

December 19, 2004:
Report by Green Party County Coordinator
http://votecobb.org/recount/ohio_reports/counties/henry.php#dec19-o2

As I mentioned in my phone message Tuesday, there were some problems with the hand count in Henry County but they appeared to be due to human error. The overall number still matched, but Bush had been given two extra votes and Kerry two less than the machine count.

However, since part of the problem was contained in reading the overvotes it could not be found right away. Countywide, Bush and Kerry each gained one vote from election night. County officials were cooperative.

I asked the Directors in both Henry and Fulton counties whether Triad had been out to service the tabulators after the election and both said no.

The Director for Fulton told me that Triad is able to reprogram the computer to count only the Presidential ballots by remote dial-up. I do not know when after the election that occurred.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

US Rep John Conyers followed with a letter to Triad head Brent A. Rapp and Triad tech Michael Barbian, Jr.

December 23, 2004
posted as a PDF by Raw Story

http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/conyers_triadnew_122304.php

The questions he asked included:

Which counties can you access remotely?

Which counties did you access remotely? What changes did you make?

Since voting machines can be accessed over the internet, what steps have you taken to be sure they are not tampered with?
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 08:51 PM
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3. The best single page I've seen on Ohio.
http://www.votersunite.org/info/mapflyerohio2004.pdf

It hasn't been updated to include some of the recent shenanigans, but is based on the Voters Unite massive collection of sourced media reports on election problems around the country.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 08:55 PM
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4. Remote dial-up means that the computer has to
be plugged into a network -- it is not cell phone technology. Okay.

Thanks!
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 08:56 PM
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5. This is good - I am still seeking
the number of polls in Ohio and results of any polls for any counties in Ohio...

:kick:
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KerryOn Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 09:27 PM
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9. Here are the complete results for Franklin County
Sorry, but I only have it as a pdf. I never had time to enter ll the data. But I may have time this week if you need me to help with anything. Franklin county went to Kerry.

Presidential results goto page 40. There is a recap of the wards in that area.
http://my.core.com/~dlrslr/Official_Abstract_of_Votes_General_04.pdf

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 09:06 PM
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6. Here's what I have
The latest exit poll posted by Jonathon Simon had Kerry up by 4.2%, with a sample size of 1963. Here is the link, but I don't know if it still works:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00142.htm

This is almost identical to the TruthIsAll post in this thread for 7 something p.m. The later poll listed in that post (1:40 something a.m.) is the poll after it was "adjusted" by CNN to conform to the actual election results.

Also, EOTE (and probably some others) has a screen shot of the CNN Ohio exit poll just before it was adjusted. This is fully consistent with Simon's number and TruthIsAll's 7 something number. I will go get him and see if he can send it.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 09:11 PM
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8. I have the CNN screen shots of Ohio from before the server
crashed and afterwards -- and the shift in % that can't be explained by the change in sample size is excellent.

I know I saw a post somewhere on DU that referred to exit poll results for Hamilton County -- perhaps conducted by a local paper?

:shrug:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 09:35 PM
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11. My understanding
is that there are no exit polls by county. The numbers involved would be too small to be meaningful. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 09:43 PM
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12. You are probably right, I think they aim for about 100 people per
exit polling location. I just thought I had seen some results for one county.

I already have the screen shots of Ohio!

Thanks!

:kick:

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KerryOn Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 09:10 PM
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7. Ohio results here:
I have uploaded the Ohio 2004 and 2000 results by county to my site here. If you need it, the info can be copied and pasted into excel. All data should be uniform. If not I will up load ecell spead sheets for you.

http://my.core.com/~dlrslr/ElectionResults2004/2004PresidentialElectionInformation.htm
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 09:31 PM
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10. Screen shot of Ohio exit poll
EOTE is looking for his screen shot, I don't know if he'll be able to find it.

In the meantime I found a very similar screen shot as part of a report by Dr. Steven Freeman. It is from 12:21 a.m., and it was obtained from the Mitofski exit polls. Although earlier versions were put out during the day, this is the final one, and it encompasses all of the others. I believe that it was the only one, although Zogby might have done one also. It shows Kerry up by 6 among women and up by 2 among men, so is consistent with the information in my last post to you.

The problem is that I can't get it to paste onto this message. So if you would like to see it you can e-mail me your e-mail address, and I'll send you the whole report.
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