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gdub Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 09:00 PM
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Can we stop a Fascist Revolution in America?
SCAM-O-RAMA: A darker analysis of the Kerry/Edwards motion and its significance to democracy in America

Today, the Kerry/Edwards campaign filed a motion to intervene in the US District Court for the Southern District of Ohio in connection with a recount effort in Ohio involving the 2004 presidential election. The anticipated Kerry/Edwards motion follows a ruling this past week by the Republican-dominated Ohio Supreme Court that lays groundwork for procedural delay and ultimate dismissal of a separate challenge of election suit brought by a public interest group in Ohio Supreme Court. The contest of election suit alleges wide spread fraud and voter disenfranchisement in the Ohio presidential and Supreme Court elections and asks for the Ohio Supreme Court to vacate the election results.

The Kerry/Edwards motion "intervenes" in support of a countersuit brought by the combined Cobb/Bandarik Green/Libertarian campaigns in connection with the recount process in Delaware County, Ohio. Earlier in December, Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell (who also serves as Ohio Chairman of the Bush/Cheney Campaign) successfully convinced an Ohio State Court (presided over by a Republican judge)to halt the recount process in Delaware County. The Cobb/Bandarik countersuit removed the case to Federal court, where Judge Sargus, a Clinton appointee presides. Sargus ordered the Board of Elections in Delaware County to proceed with the recount after the Kerry/Edwards campaign intervened in an ealier motion on December 6.

The new development from the Kerry/Edwards camp is significant and critical to the investigation of potential fraud in the 2004 General Election. Without additional involvement by the Kerry/Edwards campaign in the recount process, the recount investigation in Ohio may be over, with the “official” recount results showing John Kerry picking up only 242 votes against George Bush.

However, the stakes are higher than may be readily apparent. A dismissal by the Ohio Supreme Court in the separate suit brought by Alliance for Democracy would effectively end the investigation into allegations of fraud in the 2004 General Election. The evidentiary record will begin to deteriorate and to be lost completely. The likely result is the suppression of any further questions concerning the legitimacy of the Presidency of the United States amid wide spread and credible allegations of fraud, conspiracy and corruption.

MORE:
http://scam-o-rama.blogspot.com

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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 09:08 PM
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1. The fascist revolution happened over the last several decades.
It succeeded because too few took it serious enough, or ignored the warnings entirely, or participted in it.

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 09:21 PM
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2. Check out "The Plot to Seize The White House" by Jules Archer
Last time out in the '30's it took USMC Gen ret. Smedley D. Butler to singlehandedly derail the last Bush-assisted Fascist takeover of the US government. They've gotten more refined nowadays and actually have media and military assistance lined up well in advance, without whistleblowers like Butler out there mucking it all up.

Yes, we're about four years too late at least.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 09:44 PM
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3. The foundation has been in the works
Edited on Mon Dec-27-04 09:45 PM by indigobusiness
since before Nixon. Was fully formed and cured through Reagan, lost traction with Carter and Clinton, and found full bloom in BushCo.

Smedley D. Butler was a genuine American hero of the 20 Century. Where are his ilk today?
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:11 PM
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4. Butler? give brief fifteen or so lines on him
dont have time for link to exhaustive articles... pls avoid LW longwindedness.

just 15 lines or less, your prose

thanks,
oscar the ignorant
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:18 PM
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6. Smedlys words are better:
Chapter 1: War Is A Racket
Chapter 2: Who Makes The Profits?
Chapter 3: Who Pays The Bills?
Chapter 4: How To Smash This Racket!
Chapter 5: To Hell With War!

Smedley Darlington Butler

* Born: West Chester, Pa., July 30, 1881
* Educated: Haverford School * Married: Ethel C. Peters, of Philadelphia, June 30, 1905
* Awarded two congressional medals of honor:
1. capture of Vera Cruz, Mexico, 1914
2. capture of Ft. Riviere, Haiti, 1917
* Distinguished service medal, 1919
* Major General - United States Marine Corps * Retired Oct. 1, 1931
* On leave of absence to act as director of Dept. of Safety, Philadelphia, 1932
* Lecturer -- 1930's
* Republican Candidate for Senate, 1932
* Died at Naval Hospital, Philadelphia, June 21, 1940
* For more information about Major General Butler, contact the United States Marine Corps.

CHAPTER ONE

War Is A Racket

It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

snip

www.veteransforpeace.org/war_is_a_racket_033103.htm

www.fas.org/man/smedley.htm

Where Is Smedley When We Need Him? by Butler Shaffer
www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer42.html
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 03:40 PM
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10. FEMA and the Huston Plan is what you refer to, Ollie North just
Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 03:40 PM by EVDebs
revived it in the Reagan years. It was to impose "Martial Law".

Yes indeed, a sorry bunch of jackassess who don't even rate enough to carry Gen Butler's jockstrap. Idiots like Liddy and North are sorry imposters in this current generation...couldn't say no to the 'old man' and act like grown men. A sorry lot.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:48 PM
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23. Maybe we can get Hollywood to make a movie of this book ?
It's a great story with great characters. Mel Gibson for Butler...whaddayah think ?
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:12 PM
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5. Have you seen this?
http://www.counterpunch.org/cassel12252004.html

Merry Bleepin' Christmas
Articles I Didn't Write
By ELAINE CASSEL


<snip> ...Whatever, the Post has not one ounce of credibility with me, and not just for that reason alone. Typically stories of American troop deaths, if there were less than 20 in a day, are buried way back in the front section of the paper. Baseball in Washington and stupid stories about frustrated Christmas shoppers who can't find some mindless game for their spoiled children fill the front page. Like the Pentagon that can't afford to show the coffins of dead soldiers, the Post hides the bad news behind pages of Christmas ads extolling the virtue of diamonds and gold (for wealthy Republicans) as "holiday" gifts and designer gowns for the upcoming inaugural balls.

As if to magnify the ridiculous depths of their own spin, yesterday's Post "B" section had a picture of a Marine, clearly with NO LEGS, sitting in a chair at Walter Reed Army Hospital in D.C. The caption referred to the Marine not as having LOST HIS LEGS, but as having suffered "injuries" to his legs. That about did it for me. Even the stupidest of Post readers could not help but see that he had NO LEGS.

We are no longer looking forward to a fascist regime, we are in it. I predict there will be political prisoners before the year is out. The government may go bankrupt, which is what Bush seems to have planned. The head of the EPA, who called for more arsenic in our water and mercury in our air, is going to be the head of our health care! The man who believes in no law is going to be Attorney General. Don't try to make sense of appointments or the news. The only sense is that it is nonsense and that the motives of the regime are too complicated for us to figure out. Consider that you are reading about a third world country, for that is what we have become.<snip>
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:29 PM
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7. Butler: great re, but still wonder: what did he do to stop a coup in 30's?
and any other double CMOH winners? any three?

Impressive, for sure.
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CaptainCorc Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 11:03 PM
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8. Believe it or not, 19 guys won 2 Medals of Honor
http://www.medalofhonor.com/DoubleRecipients.htm

This page doesn't mention any three time winners.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 08:19 PM
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16. He blew the whistle on it.,
Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 08:21 PM by EVDebs
See

Review of "Plot to Seize The White House" at
http://www.eclectica.org/v1n1/reviews/wharton_plot.html

and someone who alerted me to the scheme at

http://www.mail-archive.com/pen-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu/msg85814.html

Whistleblowers are looked down upon in this administration ! I wonder why ?

You may also want to look into Nixon's "Huston Plan" (MARTIAL LAW )during the Watergate years...Almost time to suspend the Constitution
http://billmon.org/archives/001359.html

and

" In his written statement to the nation on May 22, 1973, Mr. Nixon stated:

on June 25 <19701 the committee submitted a report which included specific options for expanded intelligence operations, and on July 23 the agencies [FBI, CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency> were notified by memorandum of the option approval. After reconsideration, however, prompted by the opposition of Director Hoover, the agencies were notified 5 days later, on July 28, that the approval had been rescinded. The options initially approved had included authorization for surreptitious entry--breaking and entering, in effect--on specified categories of targets in specified situations related to national security.

The text of the plan approved by Mr. Nixon appeared in The New York Times on June 7, 1973. It directed that there be "intensification" of electronic surveillance; that restrictions on mail covers be "relaxed"; that "restraints on the use of surreptitious entry are to be removed"; that all "restraints, which limit are to be removed"; and that existing practices on the use of military undercover agents be retained.

The plan came to be called the "Huston plan," after its principal author, Tom Charles Huston. The initiative for drawing up the plan came directly from Mr. Nixon accorc1ing to H. R. Haldeman. On July 31, 1973, Haldeman testified before the Senate Watergate Committee that:

The inception of the so-called Huston plan was a meeting that the President called. First, Mr. Huston, as a staff man, had done some preliminary work on analysis of the problem, and of the shortcomings that appeared to be in existence at that time with relation to the problem and the effort to deal with. it, as a result of which, the President called a meeting of the heads of the various security agencies, the FBI, the NSA, the CIA, and the DIA." from
http://archive.aclu.org/library/1stpamphlet.html#1 (footnote 1)

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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 12:16 AM
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9. early warning signs
of fascism

** Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

** Disdain for Human Rights

** Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

** Supremacy of the Military

** Rampant Sexism

** Controlled Mass Media

** Obsession with National Security

** Religion and Government are Intertwined

** Corporate Power is Protected

** Labor Power is Suppressed

** Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

** Obession with Crime and Punishment

** Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

** Fradulent Elections

-- Laurence W. Britt http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm
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deacon2 Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 04:27 PM
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12. I fear we have reached #14
First, thank you KaliTracy for the link to Britt's excellent article. I had not seen it before and it really got my brain racing. I have forwarded it to all my friends and plan to use it as a "training" tool when I encounter future skepticism. Second, thank you to gdub for this compelling question. Sadly, I can't answer it yet in the affirmative. As I travel the "internets" I am appalled at how generally dismissive the progressive community is of the notion that fascism, or dominionism, or whatever repressive "ism" you choose, has ascended the throne of power in America. DU is by far the most open to this obvious development, yet the micro-divisions over the fraudulent election (#14) still point to a glaring lack of unity. And lack of unity, as we well know, is what keeps us out of the streets Ukrainian style, and dooms us to typing replies to thoughtful questions on websites such as this. My final answer: yes, but will we?
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 04:52 PM
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13. I was booted off FR for enlightening them with these facts. n/t
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:31 PM
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19. Facts are frowned on at FR.
You are a bad man for shedding light in their direction.
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wendypan Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 04:11 PM
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11. Nobody can "end" it
A dismissal by the Ohio Supreme Court can end it? These people in power have become so naive. They have no idea the ground is moving beneath their feet, like the rotation of the earth, unnoticed, but very powerful.

Unfortunately, a dismissal will result in sheer anarchy in 2008. The hackers on both sides are lining up. May the best hacker win -- is that we want? I certainly don't, but that is what will happen if they try to shut this thing down. The truth will out. (God is on my side.)
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 05:55 PM
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14. Grave times...
I have said it before and I will say it again -- I don't think people understand just how bad the situation is that we're in as a nation. I've read these fourteen points, and having studying the rise and fall of Nazi Germany... Well, I can say without a doubt in my mind that the Republicans are very much in the rise. I encourage everyone here to get the world out to their friends and loved ones, because we are in serious trouble. George Bush's re-election is only the beginning of the end. Roosevelt's New Deal programs are about to be wholly destroyed and I would advise people not to think along party lines. Someone has to protect the sacred house of democracy, and the enemies are in the walls -- like rats. They're not simply Republicans either. They are Democrats as well.

I won't say anymore, but I will tell you that the implications are all there to be examined and they are most grave, most profound.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:38 PM
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21. Good point...except, Bush is not the beginning of the end.
He is the middle. We were well into it by Bush's turn. Have you forgotten the Congress under Clinton? The vile poisons of the enemy machine were oozing out all over the place. Nothing could contain the build up of the poisoned ideology that has been festering since the 60s. Not even the sanctity of fair elections. We are obviously corrupted...and grievously so.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:05 PM
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15. The Brownshirting of America
Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 06:11 PM by Al-CIAda
October 16, 2004
The Brownshirting of America

by Paul Craig Roberts
James Bovard, the great libertarian champion of our freedom and civil liberties, recently shared with readers his mail from Bush supporters. For starters, here are some of the salutations: "communist bastard," "a**hole," "a piece of trash, scum of the earth." It goes downhill from there.

Bush's supporters demand lockstep consensus that Bush is right. They regard truthful reports that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction and was not involved in the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. – truths now firmly established by the Bush administration's own reports – as treasonous America-bashing.

Bovard is interpreted as throwing cold water on the feel-good, macho, Muslim butt-kicking that Bush's invasion of Iraq has come to symbolize for his supporters. "People like you and Michael Moore," one irate reader wrote, "is what brings down our country."

I have received similar responses from conservatives, as, no doubt, have a number of other writers who object to a domestic police state at war with the world.

In language reeking with hatred, the Heritage Foundation's TownHall.com readers impolitely informed me that opposing the invasion of Iraq is identical to opposing America, that Bush is the greatest American leader in history and everyone who disagrees with him should be shot before they cause America to lose another war. TownHall's readers were sufficiently frightening to convince the Heritage Foundation to stop posting my columns.


Con't-
http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=3798


November 26, 2004
What Became of Conservatives?
http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=4056


Bush is my shepherd, I dwell in want.
He maketh logs to be cut down in national forests.
He leadeth trucks into the still wilderness.
He restoreth my fears.
He leadeth me in the path of international disgrace for his ego's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of pollution and war,
I will find no exit, for thou art in office.
Thy tax cuts for the rich and thy media control, they discomfort me.
Thou preparest an agenda of deception in the prescence of thy religion.
Thou anointest my head with foreign oil.
My health insurance runneth out.
Surely megalomania and false patriotism shall follow me all the days of thy term.
And my jobless son shall dwell in my basement forever.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 08:54 PM
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17. Here's a way to spread the Word
Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 08:55 PM by KaliTracy
The list I posted is on a t-shirt (and on note cards, etc.) that I got here http://www.syrculturalworkers.com/newscw14.html

It credited Britt, so I did a search on his writings for context (and it's a damn good article, too).



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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 08:58 PM
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18. Fascist "Coup"
That's a better way to describe it.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:33 PM
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20. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. nt
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:50 PM
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24. Never too late.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:10 PM
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25. I refuse to believe that.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:27 PM
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26. Sorry, lost it for a sec. Thanks for the slap in the face. I'm better now.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:41 PM
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27. LOL! Any time.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:46 PM
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22. WE THE PEOPLE have been stopping Fascist Coups in America
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 01:50 PM by McCamy Taylor
almost as long as there has been an America. Dont you read your history? Way back in John Adam's day they had a little thing called the Sedition Act that made it a crime to criticize the federal government. Newspaper editors were thrown in jail. Political opponents were thrown in jail. Anyone who said anything nice about the French was thrown in jail. All in clear violation of a Bill of Rights so new that the ink had not dried. Thomas Jefferson stood up the Federalists, won the popular election kicked them out of office.

Fast forward to the early 1930s. A bunch of rich right winger Nazi sympathizers in the US conspired to have FDR toppled on the grounds that his health was too weak to enable him to fulfill the duties of his office. The military hero they selected to take over turned them in...guess he took his oath to his commander in chief seriously. Coup foiled. FDR goes on to be re-elected more times than any other president in America's history.

1990's, right wing conspiracy sets up perjury trap for most popular Democratic president in decades, public is not fooled, Clinton's popularity continues to run high. His chief persecutor, Newt Gingrich, pays for it in the 1998 election.

I will admit that the right wing conspiracy seems to have finally caught on to what they have been doing wrong all along--they have realized that they can never win a popular election, so they have resorted to election theft. However, they have underestimated the attachment Americans feel towards their right to vote.

This isnt going to be a "Oh well, they did something bad, but we have to get on with the running of our country" kind of political scandal.

This is going to be a "THEY STOLE OUR VOTES THOSE %$^#@&()&%% PIGS!!!!!" kind of scandal.

Poor old right wingers. They just dont get it.

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