I predict dems lose 20% of base to new party...

[mod mom]

unless they face this fraud, suppression and violations of equal protection under the law.

[trumad]

1. And what new party would that be?

Surely not the Greens.... LOL

[Yellow Horse]

11. Please -- don't LOL the Greens...

The Greens are the ones who stepped up to the plate and pushed this whole recount effort... and being involved with it I had a special opportunity to see what a huge effort that was.

Am not necessarily planning to change my registration, but the Greens have for sure earned my respect -- big, BIG time.

Marybeth
--------
Eastern OH - PA Border Region Recount Coordinator
(Life-long Dem who worked with the Greens on this)

[Vektor]

19. I second that...

I am a registered Dem, and my husband is a Green. He voted for Kerry, but is registered Green, and is a wonderful, hard-working, "son of a farmer" who loves planet earth, respects everyone, and supports the Green platform of respecting the earth, its natural resources, its citizens, and their right to clean water and air. I think the Greens are VERY good people.

[mousie]

24. and I third!

I too find I agree with what the Greens are about... and I sure do appreciate what they've done, and I'm glad this is bringing them more publicity too. Perhaps I would go Green if they had a chance to win... I suppose it has to start somewhere though. But in this election I just totally had faith in John Kerry to become a GREAT President!

[Vektor]

25. Me too...

..and I think he would have. I am kind of torn between the Dems and the Greens. I like both parties, but I was inclined to register Dem because I want to vote in the primaries for the Democratic candidate.

[jmknapp]

28. Greens are responsible for Bush 2000

That should never be forgotten.

[Webster Green]

29. Wrong!

Gore won! The US Supreme W. Court is responsible for chimp 2000

[mod mom]

30. I'm not promoting division, instead

I would love to see a united democratic front combatting the ruthless repugs. If we don't fight it now, how will we ever have a fair election in the future?

[Vektor]

31. Truth be known, jmknapp...

I only recently (with this past election) became politically active. Other than what I saw in F/911 and tidbits here or there, I really didn't know a whole lot about the 2000 election until recently. I do know it was Nader that was running as the Green candidate, is that right? I like the party principles, and even if Nader's presence in the 2000 election did tip the balance, I still think anyone has a right to run, not just the big money parties. I hold Jebby and crew, plus the right-leaning Supreme Court for Shrubbie seizing office, not the Green party, which Nader no longer claims to be a part of. I think Gore won, despite Nader's presence, and the Republicans were the ones who meddled. Seems they've done it again this year!

[trumad]

33. Whooptie fucking dooooooo

If they would have stepped up to the plate in 2000, we wouldn't be in this fucking mess......

[Forkboy]

2. Too high a percentage

but they are losing a good amount regardless due the continued sucking up to the right.

[indianablue]

3. Dem's have been turning GOP Light since for decades now ...

the trend will continue I have absolutely no doubt about it.


90 + % believe in voodoo economics.

Lets face it....democracy is dead.

If it can ever be revived remains to be seen but it will take some massive economic disaster in order for i to happen.

[serryjw]

4. I'm part of that 20%

but MOST will just give up and stay home. Can you imagine electing a Prez in a democracy with a 40% turnout?

[EuroObserver]

17. 40% turnout?

What was the actual turnout - as a percentage of the total voting-age population?

In B.liar's UK the turnout is around that mark now.

[serryjw]

26. This year it was better

something like 65% of the REGISTERED voters. I don't know what % of the total population qualified to vote. I was referring to YOUR post. I don't think MOST will change parties (Green) I think they will stay home and not vote. You have to also realize we are going to lose about 8% of the 2004 vote because ALL our FDR Roosevelt dems will be dead in another 4 years. Then all the rest that have just given up. My prediction (save this) will be 2008 we will have a 40% turnout in the National election.

[Carolab]

5. There are those who are fighting for change, you know

and it would be unnecessary to have a third party if reform were to take hold. Therefore, we must back the grassroots reform efforts.

[brainshrub]

6. There is no Democratic party anymore.

It died when Kerry delivered the Coup de Grace on November 3rd.

My own suspicion is that Kerry is only doing these legal proceedings as a way to save some face. There is currently only two wings of the Corporate Party.

I like the Greens but I'll wait to see what Kerry has in mind.

For the record: I want to see Kerry fight back. I want Kerry to use the F-word. (Fraud.) Whether he wins or not is not the point, we need a General on the battlefield.

[mod mom]

7. on KO they said 19% of us believe this election was a fraud

i know my friends won't back a spineless party who won't confront the obvious. I would think a lot of the disenfranchised would not bother to wait in long lines again. They must believe their votes will count.

[MercutioATC]

8. They may lose 20%, but probably not to a single third party.

I think they'll definitely lose 80% of the voters who were voting for the first time in 2004.

[sepia_steel]

10. Just to clear it up...

I for one am not "GOP light" and I will not be joining the darkside, even if I leave the Dems. :P

[marcologico]

9. WTF?

"I predict dems lose 20% of base to new party...unless they face this fraud, suppression and violations of equal protection under the law."

Kerry filed two motions today to preserve and augment evidence of alleged election fraud.

What part of the word "fraud" don't you understand?

[Darkhawk32]

12. Bring back the BULL MOOSE!!!! n/t

[JBear]

13. The Economic Morality Party

The Economic Morality Party

or maybe

The Fair Elections Party

or how about

The Common Sense Party

:bounce:

[mod mom]

15. Common Sense Party starring Jim Hightower!

that's the ticket!

[merh]

14. Actually, it is the repugs struggling to find themselves.

True repugs, members of the Grand Ole Party, cannot stand what the weed and his minions have done to the party or to our nation.

A 3rd party may be borne of all this, not because of the actions or inactions of dem leaders, but because of the weed. The repugs have so many internal battles going on, they may implode, some may seek out the dems as safe harbor.

[Elise]

21. I can see more

than 3 parties.

It seems there is the whacko-fundie repubs and the fiscal-social conservative repubs.

Then, there are us Dems ... a labor party, a moderate (DLC?) party, and perhaps something closer to socialism.

I just don't know what's going to happen, but do envision a breakdown of the 2-party system since both parties continue to accept corporate funds.

:shrug:

[EuroObserver]

27. Social Democracy? n/t

[Kahuna]

16. 20%? How do you come up with that figure?

nt

[mod mom]

18. If 20% of us do not think it was legitimate and our party (DEMS)

does not stand up for the voter, why would we go back and work our butts off for the dems again? 2000-Fool me once, shame on you; 2004-fool me again.... They can't win until they are ready to stand up and fight the lies, suppression, disenfranchisement ect.

[oscar111]

20. Split: how would LW win against united GOP?Put in title of re, so i see it

put your point in the very title, as i cannot read all re's .

I just pick those worth reading from quality ideas in the title.

sorry, just rushed, busy.

I meant to say in my title.. if we split, we lose.

[mod mom]

23. exactly! this is why the dems should step up to the plate now!

I don't want to see a divided dem party but if they don't step up and face problems (or just give it lip service) of two consecutive elections, you will see either defection or apathy. I would rather see defection, because it is keeping people in the political arena.

[JBear]

22. I think this is important....

It does not matter which party I am affiliated with in the next cycle, I will do my best to get people off of their duffs and get involved - and get them to vote.

This is truly the only way to get the country back!

:bounce:

[bitchkitty]

32. I'm fortunate that I live in Portland, and we

have a Socialist Party. But I will probably always vote Dem in the Presidential/House/Senate races. That lesser of two evils thing.