January 6th will answer all our questions.

[genius]

It will show who supports the voters. It will show who supports democracy. It will also show whether Kerry was a legitimate candidate. He won and he's got to know it. If he wants the job, he'll stand up and contest the thing. If he fails to contest the election, we'll also know with whom he stands and doesn't stand.

[rooboy]

1. Contesting the election won't change the result. n/t

[Patchuli]

2. The ensuing scandal might ... nt

[genius]

3. If the public learns about the fraud, it could change the result

This has happened elsewhere. If the election is contested, it will be the first time in history. It is bound to get some coverage.

[tavalon]

4. What if that isn't the point? n/t

[starmaker]

5. always be more questions

from my understanding the greatest fear
of those running this drama
is mass public protest

see you in dc on yhe 6th
www.51capitalmarch.com

[nofurylike]

7. yes! well said, starmaker. see you in dc on the 6th! n/t

[FogerRox]

17. Fuckin ahy right BRO--Time to hit the streets -- 500K folks in NYC

and 500K folks in DC, Power to the People I'm hittin the streets --think Ukraine.

My Mission: TARGET CBS

Join the protest @ CBS in NYC or protest in DC--or protest a TV station in your area. If enough Peeps show @ CBS I will extend the efforts to other outlets.

http://www.51capitalmarch.com /
[e-mail] /

[art3]

6. Challenge does 2 things

a full challenge does two thing-
1.brings forward the issues of supression and fraud to the pulic
2.interupts the highly dangerous metanarrative we are in:the christian right saved bush. bush and rove co. are brilliant. bush is time's man of the year. christ has given him a mandate to be executed fully. but if there's a challenge-look out. suddenly bush, an already unpopular 2nd termer, looks even worse. remember what has happened in the polls since nov 2-60pct are against the war in iraq, 48 pct approval rating,only 1/3 of blacks feel he won fairly. the horrid bombing and deaths of 22 americans this week and rumsfeld's constant scandals are eating at bush. as bush continues to be damaged more and more I think are wondering-what the hell happened? Iam now really against this president. hmmm.fraud? supression?
art

[Corey_Baker08]

8. Kerry Is Not Challenging To Overturn The Election

Unfortunately, Bush Stole another one.Yet, again and again, Kerry and the rest of the Democrats have said they are challenging to make sure every vote count and that every vote be counted. The margin of vote difference in Ohio was so wide it would nearly be impossible to prove that all of those votes were for Kerry and that they were legitimate. We are not talking about 537 votes or even 75,000 votes, were talking about nearly 120,000 votes.

As much as it kills me to say it, I believe on Jan 20,like it or not, we will elect Dubya for a second term. As Democrats we need to move on and remain optimistic that the values we are fighting for are the right cause and that we will defeat those Republicans A**holes in 2008.

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[TruthIsAll]

13. Move on? I will say it 4 times: No. No. No. No.

tia

[femme.democratique]

15. you know, you ARE allowed some freedom of speech here...

unlike other messageboards which shall remain nameless - go ahead and say "assholes"

[Darkhawk32]

16. And with the currently corrupt counting of the votes....

I don't think we'll have another Democrat in the Oval Office nor a majority of Dems in Congress for at least 20 more years.

No more "Let's work for 2008" junk. Fight for now AND tomorrow!!!

[crispini]

22. not to be persnickety but

he gets ELECTED on the 6th and INAGURATED on the 20th. :hi:

And, welcome to DU!

[newyawker99]

25. Hi Corey_Baker04!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[pick_a_dilly]

27. wwrong in that it would have to be 65k votes flipped ...

if 65k were taken from chimpy and 65k added to kerry then ...

so your marh is as flawed as your logic . . .

welcome to DU!

[area51]

39. "christ has given him a mandate to be executed fully."

The chimp doesn't have a mandate, he has a Man Date named Victor Ashe, & he has no intention of executing him. :evilgrin:

"Prosperity is just around the corner." -- Herbert Hoover
"The economy has turned a corner." -- GW Bush

Herbert Hoover = GW Bush

Neither man cared about the Depression their economic policies created.

[ClassWarrior]

14. It's NOT the point.

If rescuing our sacred right to vote results in sending Bush** back to Connecticut, bonus. But that's never been the goal.

NGU.

[tavalon]

28. Connecticut

I thought the idiot was missing from my state. Granted he co-opt my state just like he does everything else, still. Send him back to Crawford, you mean, right?

[bitchkitty]

32. Chimpie is a pretend cowboy. n/t

[tavalon]

36. True enough

But my stupid state deserves to get him back. Stupid is as stupid does, you know?

[connecticut yankee]

42. No thanks

We don't want him here!

[malatesta1137]

12. exactly

I am giving John Kerry the benefit of doubt until that day.

He's sitting on 42 million dollars that could very well be used right now for recounts efforts across the nation, mainly Ohio, New Mexico and Florida, and avoid a second Bush holocaust.

If he's trying to save that for 2008, he's a bigger fraud than all the Dieblod machines put together.

[electropop]

19. If Kerry hoards the 42 million

he's a bigger fool than Bushit. If he breaks the only promise that matters ("we will count every vote") then he loses the 20% of the population (ie 40% of Dems) who know the election was stolen. Why would anybody who knows this and sees the broken promise, vote for him ever again?

[In Truth We Trust]

37. Bingo! You hit the nail on the head!

[Walt Starr]

18. My prediction

Repeat of 2000. Not a single Senator will raise an objection.

[adolfo]

30. Repeat of 2000

I think Gore requested no objections from the Senators in 2000.

[hoosierblue]

20. I'm pretty sure the inauguration means

about as much as the election, and since this election was fraudulent the inauguration is too. Until then...
:beer:

[IndyOp]

21. January 6th MAY or MAY NOT answer all our questions.

If I have to choose between 'Kerry putting on a show on the 6th without sufficient evidence' and 'Kerry sucking it up and working and waiting until he does have enough evidence to devastate the Bush cabal' -- I will wait until later.

The urgency I feel is not focused on the 6th -- it is focused on exposing every single person and action that is in anyway related to this horror. The fact that we all worked so hard for a Kerry win WILL pay off. The Repubs have been stealing elections for years -- this time they got TOO greedy, had TOO many people involved, and had to steal way, way TOO many votes to keep their boy in office and they will be discovered.

Just keep doing the RIGHT thing and it will pay off. Try not to expect quick gratification -- keep focused, stay together, maintain resolve. If you need a break for sanity's sake, take one.

It is always darkest before the dawn.

The truth will out.

:eyes:

[mourningdove92]

23. You are so right. If Kerry steps up to the plate without

real evidence, he will be playing right into Roves hands.

[genius]

31. Kerry's got nothing to lose by stepping up to the plate.

If he fails to do so, he's finished in Democratic circles.

[Pooka Fey]

26. I keep wondering why disenfranchisement of hundreds of thousands of black

voters isn't "evidence". Do we still live in a country where black people don't matter???

[thjay]

33. AMEN!

[Al-CIAda]

45. Indeed!

" I keep wondering why disenfranchisement of hundreds of thousands of black voters isn't "evidence". Do we still live in a country where black people don't matter???"

[whometense]

47. It absolutely is evidence.

The problem is trying to quantify it in a meaningful way. I am not a lawyer, but I believe the difficulty is in getting enough of that evidence to prove it would have changed the outcome. And that, unfortunately, is a different matter.

[tgnyc]

51. Yes, we do.

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

54. Structural disenfranchisement is what it's called

Check out my little post here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=204427#206825

I am sick of being sick -- I want to be ANGRY!

If you're angry and you know it, clap your hands!
If you're angry and you know it, clap your hands!
If you're angry and you know it, AND YOU REALLY WANT TO SHOW IT
If you're angry and you know it, clap your hands!


Anyone clapping?

FMH

p.s. Here's some light reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution

[4democracy]

55. Bringing attention to the disenfranchisement is what 51capitalmarch.com

planned march is all about. By re-enacting the 1965 Selma to Montgomery March for voting rights,it will show 40 years have passed since the 1965 Voters Right Act and things haven't really changed,just the techniques. They will meet up with other groups on the 6th to march to the rally at the Capitol

[Freddie Stubbs]

58. Hundreds of thousands?

Are you sure it was that many? How do you know it wasn't 35,000? Or 865? :shrug:

[In Truth We Trust]

38. A calming consolation can be found in your words. Your general

sentiment and stance is appreciated however I DO feel the 6th is our D-Day. This date is critical to stopping the * agenda. Every day you remain patient waiting for the process to happen America is being raped of everything good she stood for. I can not afford you patience while social securty is dismantled and soldiers die needlessly for an illegal and unjust war.

[FogerRox]

43. D-day =JAn. 6th ------ right on Bro - or Sis

http://www.51capitalmarch.com /
[e-mail] /

[GetTheRightVote]

24. Our Day Will Come & it is coming, Jan 3/6 at Columbus/Washington

Be there to defend our right to vote and to live in a Democracy, we need thousands of people to march on these 2 cities to demand their rights. This is the biggest statement we can make to our Gov't.

:kick:

[New Earth]

29. BEST POST EVER

regarding this issue. i believe that as well. it all comes down to Jan 6th. in almost every which way.

[saracat]

34. Must I always follow you around saying me too?

Jan.6th will tell the story. OMG, I get panicky just thinking about it!

[New Earth]

56. hehehe

i don't mind :)

[mollyd]

35. There will always be more questions

If people jump in and do something on the 6th, that willbe great...though watch the MSM media spin it as cynacal politics exploiting the deluded 19%

If no Senator jumps in, some on here will say...ahhh its part of "the plan."

And honestly I doubt it will be over until some guys are Marched off in dumpsuits which could be several years down the road..or never.

[newyawker99]

59. Hi mollyd!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[tngledwebb]

40. And we will go forth and return democracy to the USA,

whatever that day brings.

[Junkdrawer]

41. No question. The bullshit stops Jan. 6th..

And I suspect the Democratic Party will lose its activist base on that date.

[Pithy Cherub]

50. Deeply apprehensive you might be right...

[genius]

57. If they do, they'll deserve it.

[fooj]

44. Idealistic, maybe...

but I have a gut feeling that we may be pleasantly surprised on the 6th!!! I'm thinking that all hell is just about ready to break loose......:bounce: It's a possibility!

[Vinca]

46. I want to see who supports the voters and who doesn't!

IMHO, there's a snowball's chance in hell of overturning the election, but just the same I want to see which Democrats are going to come forward and be heard on the topic of the rampant voter fraud that took place nationwide. Congresspeople and Senators who remain silent will not get my support and I hope they won't get yours. Our only recourse might be to vote the lot of 'em out of office and install individuals who truly represent the people. Kerry included.

[Liberty Belle]

48. Kerry's going to Iraq. He won't be in Wash. on the 6th.

[Imagevision]

49. Kerry's going to Iraq at the end of January

[KoKo]

52. Yes...agree...it will answer all our questions about our Democrats.

If only One Senator stands up with the House Black Caucus...we will know that we still have a two party system and that our "Grassroots" activism
since "Selection 2000" is working for reform.

If no Democrats in the House or Senate stand up...or only the Dems in the House stand up then we know that "it's business as usual...so don't bother even voting next time...we don't need you anymore...the "Lobbyists" are our "constituents," not you.

But, it's not up to Kerry to do this. It's up to One Dem in the Senate and One in the House.

Kerry will be out of town...which is good. He would look like a fool standing up to contest. It's not HIS place to do it, but for his Party to do it for him.

[Cocoa]

53. he won't contest, and it won't mean what you say

it will mean he thinks Bush won.