Election Fraud Is Dangerous, Why Was It So Important That * Win?

[McCamy Taylor]

The Bush family has a whole lot more to lose if/when the election fraud is uncovered than they would have by a simple loss last November, especially since W. could have blamed it on bad advise from his generals who got him into a quagmire in Iraq. Had he been defeated, his younger but smarter brother Jeb could have prepared to run in 2008, and the GOP would have retained control of Congress for 4 more years. What would have been different?

The courts. The Neo-Conservatives have long dreamed of taking over America through its courts. It is no coincidence that there is now talk of overturning the long tradition that has held that you need 61 Senators to overturn a fillabuster. And then there are the White House plans to recycle all the judicial appointees that the Senate has already rejected. THis should allow the White House to stack the federal courts with neo-con judges who will haunt us until the end of time...and all of this will happen well before anyone in DC can get around to appointing a special prosecutor to look into election fraud.

I mention this, because opposing any attempts to speed up the process of judicial nominations should go hand in hand with the effort to investigate Election Theft 2004, since I think that was why the election was stolen, so that our courts could be stolen, not for 4 years or 8 years but for 20 or more years to come.

[whistle]

1. Ambition and power, which the Bush's want now before...

...Poppa Bush passes over to the great oil fields in the sky.

[blm]

2. Because Kerry would have opened up the IranContra and BCCI papers to

national scrutiny which would have exposed and deep-fried the whole Bush network of thieves, murderers and terrorism financiers.

If BCCI had been scrutinized fully in the first place, without the GOP obstructionism which protected international crooks and Bush cronies, there would have been no 9-11.

[Lostnote03]

11. BCCI -IRAN-Contra....

.....These are the issues that first led to my support of JK.....You are absolutly spot-on regarding the cause of 911....

[jody]

3. To stack the Supreme Court. n/t

[Dr.Phool]

4. They had to steal the election

Had they not, this entire administration would be under indictment within a year. It would take at least that long to present all the crimes they've committed.

[Up2Late]

35. Agreed, but it is mush bigger than that

The Bush Family is Soooooooooooo Dirty, they are like a below the RADAR Crime Family, and, I think all the people helping them literally, know where the bodies are buried:smoke:

[zann725]

46. But because they HAD to steal it so badly, they had to so SLOPPILY...

When someone is that desperate, they always leave 'prints.' (In this case, plural 'prints,' I'm certain. Just have to find them.) And I think they begin with Blackwell, and yes...Kkkarl Rove, who is feeling a bit toooo cocky for his britches, and no doubt slipped up.

[SariesNightly]

5. Never again!

With the Supreme Court on our side, responsibility relief will finally come true, thank heavens!

Never again, shall our patriotic family friends be subject to the sort of humiliation and disgrace those commie loving liberals heaped upon our pals in Enron and Worldcom. Never again!!

Gobless America.

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. You've got to be kidding?

Maybe you need to finish that whine in your wine glass?

[SariesNightly]

21. Twas a parody

Be kind.

[DoYouEverWonder]

25. That's why I asked

thanks.

[genius]

6. Gonzales is their Mengele. It's all falling into place.

This is the Fourth Reich. If they had lost they'd be in jail.

[shraby]

8. Quite a few reasons

which would all be investigated if Kerry had won.

Plame
Sibel Edmonds
Intel leading up to the Iraq war
9/11
Torture
Cheney's Energy papers
Halliburton's no bid contract
Lack of armor in Iraq
The money mentioned in Woodward's book $700 million that was spent without oversight
Patriot Act
Anthrax
Iran leak that let them know we knew their communication code
AIPAC/Franklin treason

I'm sure there are more, but these are prominent.

[SariesNightly]

22. Abuse or the color coded fear buttons

[TexasChick]

31. That list just made reality hit me right in the face. (Sigh) Good grief,

we have some serious effin' criminals in the Whitehouse! :cry:

[Raksha]

23. Hopefully, they'll all be in jail anyway.

It's just gonna take a little longer to put them there!

[mordarlar]

7. The factions driving Bush are far more dangerous than he is...

This family has long flirted with different groups in an effort to gain power.

The workings that have led to this day have long been in play. Rumsfeld and Cheney pressing Ford to veto the "freedom of information act". Wolfowitz work with Paul Nitze for the CIA in 1976. The contacts of the Bush family and Moon of "moonie" fame (he owns the parent company of the Washington times). Connections to Christian Reconstructionism.

With rumblings of abolishing the filibuster, the "nuclear option" in Senate, the Patriot Act and the creation if the NIA we are in very real danger should Bush stay in office.

[KansDem]

26. After all, these people have been at it for a long time...

1930s--Gen. Smedley Butler puts the kibosh on a plot by right-wingers to overthrow FDR

1940s--WWII might have delayed the right wingers "progress." Anyway, no doubt some financiers (ie, Prescott Bush) make big bucks off WWII

1950s--"Red Scare," and again, big bucks to be made in Cold War, not to mention Korean War.

1960s--Assassination of JFK (who reportedly wanted US to withdraw from Vietnam). Big bucks to be made in prolonged Vietnam War, all done in the name of stopping the "Red Scare" (see 1950s). Emerging reports suggest Bush Sr. "somewhere" in Dallas on Nov. 22, '63.

1970s--Nixon resigns, but Carter given grief resulting in one term. Also, consider reports that "shadowy figures" conspired to hold back American hostages in Iran to hasten Carter's exit from White House; Carter advocated alternative fuels, not exactly the fossil-fuels barons' favorite topic.

1980s--Reaganomics and the increase in the schism between rich and poor. Notice Bush Sr. gets into White House as VP... Iran-contra shows "shadowy government" of get-rich quick schemers in White House...

1984--Bush Sr. elected POTUS, a right-winger's dream come true... Oil War I results in hefty profits for Bush Family.

1992--Clinton defeats Bush Sr., leading to his impeachment in retailliation...

2000--Bush Jr. replaces Bush Sr. in advancing "The Family's" interests around the world... Oil War II picks up and the $$$ flows (toward Bush Family).

70 years plus of right-wing fascism in the making right here in the good ol' USA! This is only off the top of my head and I certain I left out a whole mess of infro, but please add to this list (or correct me if I stated something wrong).

edited to add one more thought...

[mordarlar]

32. Well there is Rumsfelds visit to Saddam...

in the midst of the latter's using chemical weapons.

>>> the two discussed regional issues of mutual interest, shared enmity toward Iran and Syria, and the U.S.'s efforts to find alternative routes to transport Iraq's oil; its facilities in the Persian Gulf had been shut down by Iran, and Iran's ally, Syria, had cut off a pipeline that transported Iraqi oil through its territory. Rumsfeld made no reference to chemical weapons, according to detailed notes on the meeting<<<

Following these visits...

>>>>Although official U.S. policy still barred the export of U.S. military equipment to Iraq, some was evidently provided on a "don't ask - don't tell" basis. In April 1984, the Baghdad interests section asked to be kept apprised of Bell Helicopter Textron's negotiations to sell helicopters to Iraq, which were not to be "in any way configured for military use" . The purchaser was the Iraqi Ministry of Defense. In December 1982, Bell Textron's Italian subsidiary had informed the U.S. embassy in Rome that it turned down a request from Iraq to militarize recently purchased Hughes helicopters. An allied government, South Korea, informed the State Department that it had received a similar request in June 1983 (when a congressional aide asked in March 1983 whether heavy trucks recently sold to Iraq were intended for military purposes, a State Department official replied "we presumed that this was Iraq's intention, and had not asked.")<<<


http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/index.htm

[Blue_In_AK]

37. Bush, Sr. head of CIA

I forget exactly when that was -- under Nixon maybe? Add that to your list.

Edited -- Under Ford, 1976-early 1977

[junker]

9. You won't believe me, but I tell you anyway.

All the specifics you are/will be offered are wrong. Yes they are all true, but none of these little scandals previously cited mean shit. The real reason is what they (TPTB) know to be coming our way.

Note that this applies to year 2000 as well as they thought it would happen by now. Yes fraud is dangerous, but papa bushie is a member of carlyle group, and these bastards have got some info from 1975 (and onward which confirmed the 1975 data in 1983 and again in 1992) that suggests less than 3 years remaining for most of humans.

Yes, universe supports the existance of humans and so some will survive. However the bushies wanted to be in charge when the sheeit happens. They thought (erroneously many of us believe) that by being in charge (AT ANY AND ALL COSTS/Risks) they could ensure the survival of their clan into the post-event future.

ALL resources will be used. No risk is too large. After all , there are no repercussions to be faced. Either they are in charge when the shit hits or not. Either way, any pre-event scandals or corruption are immaterial to the post-event world.

Now I know you are thinking...."ok, junker is a nutjob. He has proven it now. I always suspected it, but now,here is the proof."

But let me say that what seemed improbable three days ago (100 thousand plus killed in a single event) is now fact. So what was conspiracy theory 3 weeks ago (or 4 years ago), is now merely history coming to light as the LCE (internally the wh refers to it as 'Lace' where it stands for Life Changing Event - and they mean changes for all life on planet) plays itself out.

Leave the specifics behind, look for the broad patterns that are emerging, and note that the quake was CAUSED by the earths' rotational slippage of over 9 milliseconds, and not the other way round. The rusky press and scientists are NOT controlled as are ours.

Also know that time is now very short indeed. Things are going to escalate very rapidly. As you will see.

Yes. I am aware I am a seriously unbalanced individual human prone to thinking far too much, but that don't make me wrong.

Good luck to all humans in the new year. We gonna need it.

Peace be the journey.

[bemis12]

13. You're right

I think you're nuts. Oh, and congrats for being the only person to whom the story of the millennium is available.

OK, the humanity is (nearly) completely wiped out in a natural event in 3 years. How does Bush benefit again from being during this event?

[marcologico]

16. No way in hell they'd let a couple of attorneys get their mits on them

Kerry has already knocked heads with the Bush family CIA, and they'd probably stoop to murder to keep him out of their filing cabinets, but it looks like they won't have to, at least not yet.

[NJCher]

30. the vision thing

that suggests less than 3 years remaining for most of humans.


Interesting theory but I don't buy it because they admittedly are lacking in the "vision thing." All they think about is how much money they can steal from us and how much power they can grab. Very limited people.

Something like you describe would require forethought, calculation, thinking, planning.

These people have no plan for anything except for staying in power. That's it, zip, zilch, nada.


Cher

[Stand and Fight]

33. That message is absolutely insane!

It is messages like yours that cause this site and Democrats to be looked upon as out of their minds. If you believe the "information" that you shared with us, I would recommend that you seek help from a mental health professional immediately.

[spooked]

45. Can you provide links to back your claim?

About the earthquake being caused by the earths' rotational slippage of over 9 milliseconds...

[RaulVB]

12. Right wing radical fanatics

The "*" family is not a "Republican" one if you look at the political context.

He is a fundamentalist christian, right wing demagogue, extremely irresponsible in fiscal policy, big spender, torture sponsor, violator of human rights, mass murderer-war criminal.

Not a republican in a classical sense.

[Darkhawk32]

14. Question about SCOTUS......

If Bush gets inaugurated, appoints a couple of SC Justices and THEN is found that he participated in the stealing of the election (impeachment follows of course), can his SC Justices appointments be considered null and void?

[bemis12]

15. No n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

18. Nope.

We really need a "Moritorium On Federal Judicial Appointments Until Election 2004 Is Fully Investigated" or some catchy phrase.

[Quakerfriend]

20. I like that, a "Moritorium"

That would be a perfect excuse for the dems to block every single nominee put before them! They should refuse to consider hearings until election fraud is investigated properly!

[damntexdem]

17. Those planning a coup de 'etat against a way of life ...

are not afraid of being exposed as plotters, only of not getting away with the plot.

[understandinglife]

19. Only way for him and his buddies to stay out of prison, for starters (n/t)

[Mist]

24. The whole house of cards would fall if they lose

I think there are a lot of overlapping political/financial deals of which we know little--to keep the business deals going they HAD to win, by means fair or foul.

[GetTheRightVote]

27. yes, * & Co have a lot to be worried about, how about us here at DU

:kick:

[madison2000]

28. I want to see this family dynasty ripped apart dollar by dollar,

Exposed, humiliated, shown for what they truly are, for how much they hate this country, for all the evil in their souls. I want to see them in the MSM for 4 times as long as Clinton was, with all the filty details of their lives shown to the world. I want to see them locked behind bars and disgraced publicly. I want the two Bush presidencies to be remembered as the shame of American History forever.

:mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke:

[RaulVB]

29. And that just for starters! (n/t)

[Raksha]

38. "Exposed, humiliated, shown for what they truly are..."

That makes two of us!!! (at least)

[gdub]

34. Look at it this way by analogy to Bill Clinton

Why, with so much to lose, would Bill Clinton engage in an elicit affair with an intern conducted largely in the ante chamber of the Oval Office?

Because he can.

In the absence of any other rational explanation, I would put your argument to bed on this alone.

If we were to ascribe to others the rational motives that we ourselves apply to life, we would be surrounded by saints.

[McCamy Taylor]

36. Pseudo-sex with intern is whole different ballpark from election theft..

...not even sure why you bring that up. Is the kind of thing a "They all do it" Republican apologist would say to excuse the latest GOP scandal. Not saying you are Republican apologist, just be careful what you post, or people might start attributing hidden agendas.

[Acryliccalico]

39. I agree with madison2000

I want to see them all come down. Baaaaaaaaaaadly:grr:

[gdub]

40. Indeed it is

The logic goes this way:

1) if an occupant of the White House is willing to "risk everything" on an intimate relationship with an intern;

2) why is it difficult to believe that an occupant of the White House would "risk everything" on election fraud to stay in power?

I do apologize if anyone is offended by the choice of an example to make the point. It was not intended as a barb to the commnunity. My understanding is that #1 above is well documented. Perhaps I should have used a Nixon example.

[berniew1]

41. Bush had to win Ohio & Florida to have a chance; most overlook Florida res

results where "official margin" was 300,000. But Florida is a big state and this only amounts to 150,000 votes that needed to be switched from Kerry to Bush; And there is evidence that this occurred in the big touchscreen counties "Default to Bush" fraud pattern that has been documented. The counties where fraud was seen had almost 4 million voters.

I have gone through the EIRS election incident reports at
www.voteprotect.org to document widespread vote machine fraud patterns that occurred in Florida. http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

But in doing so I saw large numbers of cases reported of obvious partisan actions that resulted in vote swings by officials and poll workers. This is malfeasance and should not be tolerated as it is contrary to the possibility of a democratic process.

People should go through the thousands of EIRS incident reports at http://www.voteprotect.org to compile obvious cases of partisan malfeasance, which resulted in people not being able to vote or their vote being recorded for someone other than their choice(both commonly happened). These should be reported on this list and to Arnebeck and authorities, as malfeasance should not be tolerated in officials.
Go to reseeach/maps click on state of choice and counties of choice
compile cases of malfeasance or indications of fraud if seen.
Such will be useful to Arnebeck, etc.

[mattclearing]

42. They didn't let him lose because it was Kerry.

He might have taken one for the team against Lieberman or another DLC'er, but Kerry is a true-believer, and a sworn enemy of the Bush clan.

There is no way he could allow the presidency to go to Kerry.

He could ruin everything...release Reagan/Bush Iran Contra papers (which I'm sure he would find extremely interesting), whatever remains unreported on 9/11, the whole deal would be over.

[bklyncowgirl]

43. To continue their work for their masters, of course.

The goal of the Corporate elite which the Bush administration serves is to increase their own wealth and power and limit the advancement of anything that might stand in their way. The Bush administration in particular has served the interests of the oil and defense industries.

American politics has always been and always will be about how the wealth and power will be shared. Any politican who is a threat to these corporate interests will be destroyed. Right now the corporatists are behind Bush and are expecting to be fed. Wall Street, for example, is expecting a chunk of Social Security. If he fails in their service, or proves a liability, they will deal with him. We may even see a split in the power elite as time goes on and if Bush needs his chain yanked but at this point he's their guy lock stock and barrel.

I think that the power elite may have been willing to jetison Bush for a "safe" Democrat but they didn't quite trust Kerry and so therefore he had to lose.

Sorry, I'm in big time cynical mode these days.

[tngledwebb]

44. All part of the plan: 1.They have to destroy the world on time.

2.Despite their and MSM's best efforts at slinging tons of anti-Dem BS, they knew the public would turn out in record numbers for Kerry, as the polls and the real votes tell.

3.They had years to implement the con, at least since the first successful trial run in 2000.

4.They've had MSM complicity for for decades, bought and paid for.

5. And they had absolutely no fear of being publicly outed by the same, having been let off scot-free the past three years for much more monstrous, and possibly more provable treasonous crimes.

[Last Lemming]

47. Love this thread

It starts with politics, winds through conspiracy theories, makes a short trip to millinarianism before returning to the stolen election A disorienting trip but very scenic