So Kerry won't even be in DC on Jan 6?

[CoffeeCat]

I just read in a recent Boston Globe article, regarding the protests in front of Kerry's Boston home, that Kerry will be in the Middle East for the first two weeks of January.

I'm a bit shocked.

Quote from article,
"In any case, Kerry wasn't home to take notice of yesterday's demonstrators. A woman answered the door and promised to deliver a message when he returns from vacation at the end of January. Kerry has been in Ketchum, Idaho, for several weeks, and he plans to go to the Middle East for the first two weeks of January."

I'm traveling from Iowa to protest the certification of the 2004 vote, and it seems a bit odd to me that Kerry will not be present.

Can someone help me understand what this means, if anything?

I'm new here and I'm still struggling to understand the election-fraud issue, so I apologize if my question has been covered elsewhere.

Thanks for any info. I learn so much from all of you--

[liam97]

1. If there is going to be a challenge

its probably better not for him to be there

[Daisey Mae]

2. I am hoping that you are right.......

[AmerDem]

32. I would think if Kerry was going to contest

He would be here to give a major press conference so no corporate media could lessen it's importance. If his visiting the Middle East is true I think we could all but wipe Kerry out as a major voice in the voting fraud issue.

[hippiechick]

3. So much for him standing to challenge the results ...

Is that the first session of the new Senate ?
And he's not going to be there?

Gee, that looks really good ... :eyes:



:hippie:

[OKthatsIT]

76. Must be some other Senators waiting in the wings

Look, the one thing Kerry IS going to do is, level the playing field for future elections.

I dont think he's that stupid.

[Freddie Stubbs]

4. It means that Kerry is sticking by his November 3 statement

Not really a big surprise for those who haven't been caught up in the delusional fantasy that Kerry is going to contest the election.

[Name removed]

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[Darknyte7]

5. He'll be in Iraq?!

Fantastic!!!

Brilliant play... Just brilliant!!!

[BreakForNews]

17. Relevant Quote : )

"That's no accident. It's careful planning."
:)

From this DU Article & Thread:
Teflon Kerry - More Slick Moves on Election Fraud
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x206056

[pacalo]

19. Considering the troops get only a phone call from the comfort of

Whatshisface's Christmas-decorated home while he sips his eggnog, I'm proud that Kerry will be visiting the troops in their war-torn surroundings, on their terms.

And I'll bet he won't be hiding in the airport hangar with a plastic turkey, summoning the troops to come to him, either.

[Vektor]

49. Bwaaa-haaaa

"And I'll bet he won't be hiding in the airport hangar with a plastic turkey, summoning the troops to come to him, either."

Haaa
*gasp*
That friggin' plastic turkey.
I vividly remember when Shrub pulled that turkey stunt. My Dad, the funniest, staunchest, (and probably loudest) Boston blue Dem ever, bellowed at the T.V. - "Like hell, that goddamned bird's a phony!!" I laughed and said "Dad, come on, I'm sure it's a real turkey...."

Dad was right.

[Raksha]

73. But you were right too...

...there WAS a real turkey in that hangar!!!

[Vektor]

81. Heee-hee

That's right! I guess Dad and I both called it on that one!

[merh]

22. Absolutely brilliant!

God, why is it so many want Kerry to hold their hands and walk them through this? IT IS OUR ELECTION FOLKS, THEY STOLE IT FROM US, WE HAVE TO DEMAND IT BACK (or get our reps to demand it). We were voting to give Kerry the job for 4 years. It is not his office, it is OURS!!!!

[Darknyte7]

27. Well said friend... n/t

[merh]

35. (blush) Thanks ...

I am so weary of people not realizing what this is about!

[Turn CO Blue]

59. Yes. WE are the people, WE are the government.

Even though I "work" for a company, I have always behaved as though I were a consultant or an independent contractor. I am my own boss.

We have to behave the same way with OUR government.

Okay, wouldn't it be just *rosy* if there were some definitive leadership on the election fraud issue by the candidate or other statesmen? Well, guess what? No Senator arranged for Rosa Parks to refuse to give up her seat for a white man on the bus that day. She made that bold move totally on her own. She decided -- for herself and for everyone -- that she wouldn't move and that she wouldn't stand for the law that said she had to move.

We all must do the same. We must decide to be the government and to be the media -- individually and together -- and refuse to give up our government and elections to a corrupt cabal of neo-cons and corporations.

Why should a Senator or the media be expected to fight for what is yours and mine? That type of thinking is way too passive for me. And the litany of the "we are all fucked, give up, they're way too powerful" talk is just too apocalytic for me. What if, instead of agreeing that they are too powerful, we all agreed that we need to organize, that we ourselves could be too cowardly or lazy?

Yes, I expect better representation from the Dems, but am I going to whine and wait around for them to rescue little ol' me? I am my own boss, remember? The Senators and pundits are not going to become our Knights in Shining Armor, and we need to stop waiting for someone to rescue democracy for us -- because Democracy belongs to each and all of us and we must be the rescuers. Don't we yet realize that "the leaders follow the followers' lead"? WE are the grassroots militia. We can get up and march on Selma. If anything, I will get off my computer, and work to get transparent voting in Colorado or at least my own damned county if that is all I can manage, because I am not going to be passive nor defeatist about this issue. Nobody needs to come with me or hold my damned hand either. It's a decision.

In the Ukraine, the people went into the streets...first a few, then a few thousand, then thousands upon thousands. Currently, in the USA "we the people" are all going on the Internet(s) and email.

The time will come when each of us, individually, is going to have to make a Rosa Parks decision. What will follow will be the voters' equivalent of the million man march...

_____________________________________________________
It's important that people know what you stand for. It's equally important that they know what you won't stand for.
-Mary Waldrop

You teach people how to treat you.
Dr. Phil McGraw

[Kip Humphrey]

99. If everyone who showed up 11/2 to vote for Kerry show up on 1/6

If everyone who showed up 11/2 to vote for Kerry show up on 1/6,
we could not be ignored - WE ARE THE REAL MAJORITY!

[corbett]

45. When The Challenge Begins, He'll Speak With Soldiers Who Voted For Him

The is one of the best squeeze play moves I've seen in quite some time. Look at it this way:

1) If he is in Washington on January 6 and challenges the election results, he looks like a sore loser. By allowing others to challenge, including the Congressional Black Caucus who rightly can scream racism no matter who won by fraud, he remains above the fray and looks presidential.

2) Here at the end of the year, roughly 6 weeks after the election, Ohio STILL hasn't told us how many absentee military ballots went for Kerry. We all know that MOST of them did. Well, since Blackwell won't say, Kerry can speak with his supporters personally and return stateside with affidavits or videotaped interviews with servicemen and women who believe that their vote for Kerry didn't count.

It's a work of strategic beauty!

http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/2004/12/analysis-election-2004-troublesome.html

Kick for Kerry!

[Truman01]

80. The military voted against Kerry nt

[Chimpanzee]

82. Do you have a link? Because I don't believe you!

[New Earth]

83. what did the person above you say?

can't see him/her, and you're making it sound interesting.

[Chimpanzee]

84. He said:

The military voted against Kerry

[New Earth]

88. thanks

but :eyes: we'll see about that in a week, won't we.

[Chimpanzee]

90. I just put him on ignore too

seems he is a real negative (almost freeper-like) guy/gal.

[Truman01]

91. Do you have a link? nt

[bunny planet]

87. Prove it. I haven't seen one report of how the military actually voted.

Individual soldiers I've read about have said that not one enlisted ground troop they know was voting for *. Officers maybe, but not ground infantry. If they had, Bushco. would be screaming it from the rooftops. They were even trying to arrange it for soldiers to vote through email (insecure method so they could tamper with their votes that way no doubt), not sure if that is what they ended up doing. The military has a box to check for dem or rep that can be seen outside the envelope, so there were probably some shenanigi with military absentee ballots that had the dem box checked. Nobody knows what happened with alot of expatriot non-military votes either. Anyway you look at this it STINKS.

[Truman01]

92. You guys said that military was voting for Kerry.

Every poll I have read says * won the military 80/20 so I think the burden of proof is on you.

TC

[bunny planet]

93. Whose polls, and how do they break down between enlisteds and

officers. I heard someone from Operation Truth on AAR saying that almost every ground troop he'd talked to had voted for Kerry. Family members with sons and daughters in the military have reported that their children have told them they weren't voting for * and no one in their units were voting for *. I've heard lots of those stories.

Link to polls you mention please.

[Amigust]

94. The Pentagon was in control of the military ballots,

and from what I understand, they outsourced their actual handling to a Repug company. Who's to really know how the military actually voted? I, for one, don't buy it automatically when I read someone's comment that the military voted overwhelmingly for Smirk, the same as I don't buy it when I read that Smirk had more votes cast for him than Kerry did.

[Chelsea Patriot]

79. Flawless! Absolutely, Flawless!

John Kerry is Brilliant!

Watching this all unfold is amazing!

[GetTheRightVote]

6. This way it is the will of the people, not party stealing, but citizens

demanding their rights under the law of the land,
carry big signs at the rallies.

:kick:

[ClassWarrior]

7. Ohhhhhnoooooo... this is the end of the Democratic Party...

...and the world as we know it!!! Waaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

(This one act play was a production of the DUDQ. ~taking a bow~)

NGU.

[whometense]

8. Heh.

Chess match, chess match, chess match.

[genieroze]

51. I want * in check mate without Queen Condi to protect his butt. eom

[seito]

13. Applause...

Seriously though, I do believe that Senator Kerry already told us what he will be doing on the first day that Congress is back in session.

I think you might find it here...

http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/everychild.php

Act I Scene II

edit: OMG I can not spell to save my life lol

[katinmn]

9. he had announced last week that he was going to Iraq

in January to see for himself.

[Darknyte7]

12. I missed that...

I can see the MSM television coverage now. While the fireworks are going off on the Hill, there will also be images of Kerry visiting troops in Afghanistan if not Iraq.

The gamesmanship is sweet!

[BreakForNews]

39. yes... Iraq

John Kerry & Ted Kennedy Join Arlington Mourners for Iraq soldiers
December 3, 2004
http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?artic...
Sens. Edward Kennedy and John Kerry, were among mourners at Arlington
National Cemetery, as two soldiers killed in Iraq were laid to rest
Thursday, in nearby graves.

Jack "Jay" Bryant Jr., 23, died north of Baghdad, when an IED detonated.
Lance Cpl. Dimitrios Gavriel, 29, was killed a day earlier near Fallujah.

[bunny planet]

89. I love that picture.

Oh why, oh why can't he be our president. Please let it happen.
This is what a leader is supposed to be like, a compassionate, dignified , caring man.

[Amigust]

95. Of all people to go, and with Smirk's finger on the trigger

in Iraq, I have been concerned for Kerry's life from the first moment I learned he was going to go.

[katinmn]

10. delete

edit: duplicate

[Imagevision]

11. So Kerry won't be around to vote Jan 6 --either way? doubt it!

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[katinmn]

18. time flies....

[hootinholler]

16. I'm a little suprised by that too...

Oh, Will? any poop on this?

-Hoot

[WilliamPitt]

20. He is going to Iraq - which is good - and he announced the trip

a month ago.

[NVMojo]

21. We need to stay focused ....this is about voting rights ....

the rest is just frosting ...

[fooj]

23. Here! Here!

Keep your eye on the prize! Focus...

[Peace Patriot]

24. I think it means that he's going for the long term strategy...

...of de-legitimizing and disempowering the BushCons over the next months and year as scandalous facts emerge from various investigations and lawsuits, rather than trying to force the BushCon Congress to change the outcome of the election.

I hope that's ALL it means (and not that he's giving up on exposing this extremely unjust and fraudulent election, defending our right to vote and trying to restore democracy in the U.S.).

It's still an outside possibility that he is just removing himself as an easy target for BushCon attack during Jan. 6 challenge.

But any dreams we may have had of Kerry personally leading the charge, being our champion, and hitting them smackeroo in the face on the first day of the Congressional session with a shattering attack on their legitimacy seem to be dead.

But I'm just guessing. Christ. Trying to determine Kerry's opinion and intentions is like trying to read entrails.

[ginnyinWI]

25. he's always been hard to predict

and he usually has surpassed expectations. Trust him, I say. Trust Kerry.

[MissBrooks]

26. I still don't understand our blind faith in this man...

He clearly is ignoring us and not even showing up for the Jan 6th session is .. well, ... sad.

[seito]

28. *sigh*

[LittleClarkie]

34. What you mean "we" Kemosabi

"We" as a community don't have blind faith. A subset of DU still has faith in the man and probably always will. And a different subset clearly does not, and probably never will.

You don't have to have faith and you don't have to understand why some of us do. And we will likely never convince the naysayers as to the reasons we believe in this man. It ain't blind. We have our eyes wide open, I assure you.

Nevertheless, no matter how unpopular the stance becomes, those of us with faith in Kerry will continue to express it. Sorry if that makes your teeth itch, but there you have it.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I'll want to start a prayer chain when his trip to Iraq starts. I have an irrational fear that he will be "Wellstoned." God, I hope I'm worrying for nothing.

[Withywindle]

46. *shudder*

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I'll want to start a prayer chain when his trip to Iraq starts. I have an irrational fear that he will be "Wellstoned." God, I hope I'm worrying for nothing.



Ick, me too. :scared:

[saracat]

43. I think it is a sad thing that some posters don't know a damn thing about

John Kerry and yet post insidious remarks encouraging others to lose faith. "We" do not have blind faith in anyone. Oddly some of us are aware that certain phrases and pronouns are best suited to Bushies.

[tavalon]

61. I disagree

I lost most of my faith in Kerry on Nov 3rd so please don't paint me otherwise, but if this were a chess game, the best place for Kerry to be on that day is in Iraq, doing a better job looking Presidential than Chimpy ever did and letting other people in the House and Senate and grassroots do the dirty work. Even though I think he was mostly AWOL from his job as the presumptive leader of the Democrats, this is the one time he should be far, far away and what better place to be far, far away and yet useful and in the MSM eyes. It's perfect!

[genius]

29. Is he afraid to take a position?

That's what it looks like to me.

[Jo March]

31. I think that his position is that he is supporting the troops

no matter the outcome of the election.

[Benhurst]

33. Supporting the troops by demanding they be brought home, or

"supporting" them by going along with their being used to brutalize a country which has done this nation no harm?

[Jo March]

58. Supporting them by visiting them and proving that he

gives a shit about them and isn't over there for a photo op with a freaking fake turkey. Supporting them by thanking them and listening to them.

Unlike Bunnypants, he'll bring back the horror stories and try to actually do something to help their situation.

[seito]

65. Thank you

Speaks volumes to the character of the man. Look, no matter what John Kerry does, IT WILL NEVER BE GOOD ENOUGH for some. He ran a good campaign, not perfect. He conceded when he was down 137,000 votes in Ohio, understandable. He said he would make sure that all the votes were counted, and counted accurately. It sure as hell looks like that is what he is doing.

To those that have lost faith in Kerry, I would ask only two questions.

1. Did you ever have faith in him in the first place

2. Do you REALLY think that we would have gotten farther with the election fraud investigation, had John Kerry refused to concede on Nov 3rd. (With this scenario, keep in mind the corporate media whores and the carefully timed assault of Fallujah)

So, I will not fault the man for going where no little shrub would dare to tread. It is a very Presidential move and there is no better place for him to be. IMHO

[Jo March]

96. I agree wholeheartedly, seito

I have supported Kerry from the beginning. I don't agree with him on the Iraq war but I still support him.

There will NEVER be a candidate who can be all things to all people. That is ridiculous.

I'm with you - shrub wouldn't dare to go to Iraq now. He's too afraid. That Kerry is going speaks volumes to me.

[Jo March]

30. This is good. Stay with me now and picture this

It's the morning of the 6th. Rep. Conyers stands up and makes a grand statement against the certifying of the election. Another Rep. stands up. Then we have a Senator stand up.

The MSM almost shits itself to cover this. They show pictures of the Fraud-in-Chief and he's doing something stupid. They search for Kerry and have to show coverage of him -

--IN FREAKING IRAQ looking quite Presidential and stately and brave!

The contrast between the two men is apparent, even to the shills at Fox. Media mouthpieces search for two sentences to string together. Viewers see the two men and ask themselves, "Yeah. How did the Dickface get more votes than Kerry? I mean, look at that doofus, leaning all over the podium. Shit. Who the hell voted for him?"

Lightbulbs go off in many Americans heads.

Sounds pretty damn good to me.

[CoffeeCat]

36. Thanks for all of the insight...

...including all of the smartarse comments too.

Arnheim, what you said makes perfect sense. I like the hope in your message.

That's what I'm looking for right now.

I'm convinced that fraud happened--so much so that I'm dipping into my family's savings to make the trip from Iowa.

I've got two preschool-aged girls and an infant--and it's challenging to read in depth for any period of time about the election fraud. Someone's always crying, wanting me to put Barbie clothes on their dolls or needing peanut butter removed from their hair. It's fun and lively, but not exactly the environment that allows me to do in-depth analysis of this major, critical issue. I believe fraud happened, but I'm just trying to wrap my arms around the entire picture--and understand all of it--before I book my flight and make the trip.

Thanks for the comments and insight. I'm sure, for many of you who have been on DU for years--it's not always easy to deal with the questions from newbies. I do understand!

[Jo March]

55. TwoSparkles, I have a 3 and a 6 year old

I understand exactly what you mean.

It's not easy for me to always be upbeat but until someone proves me wrong, then I'm going to think positive.

It doesn't matter about the 6th because I'm in it for the long haul. I want to see * removed from office in disgrace. If I can help that in some small way, I'll be glad to donate what little time I have between work, college and scraping Play Dough out of the carpet!

[Darknyte7]

37. Not to mention...

the fact pointed out supra that the trip was announced over a month ago so they (the Republican noise machine) can't claim that he decided at the last minute to find some place else to be during the drama on the Hill.

So sweet...

[Jo March]

56. Yes, Darknyte7, you are exactly right

The MSM can't even paint this trip in any type of bad light...well, I guess that they could say that Kerry is trying to upstage our pathetic excuse for a CIC. LOL! Then they'd just be pointing out how unPresidential * actually is!

Sweet indeed.

[tavalon]

62. Yes it is oh so sweet

and smart that he came up with this a month ago.

I wonder if the Pugs even know what's brewing for them? Will they be caught totally off guard?

[Darknyte7]

70. Not totally...

I really don't know what move they're left with here. * & Company are always good for coming up with a good stunt, but I'm having a tough time coming up with one suitable for this instance.

[Jo March]

97. I hope so. I want to see them all with their mouths hanging open

looking idiotic or more idiotic in the case of some.

[me b zola]

44. My thoughts, exactly...plus...

I like to imagine the person presiding over the senate being handed a piece of paper at that moment....will he refuse in front of the world watching?

[Jo March]

57. If it's Cheney, we might want to have a Dr standing by

He might have a heart attack!

[tavalon]

63. I'm still sleepy - just got up

But I swear the question, "Who will be presiding over the Senate?" went through my mind. Followed rapidly by , "Duh". LOL

Sweet.

[me b zola]

74. This could be the photo

that will be in history books next to phrases like,

"The fall from grace"

"The day that changed America"

"Justice 'served'"

"The unraveling of an illegitimate administration"

[Paintedlady]

52. I really like your vision arnheim

Thank you!

[Jo March]

54. No problem. I love sweet, sweet justice

Revenge is nice, too! LOL!

[Chimpanzee]

86. You cracked me up!!

We can only dream!

[Jo March]

98. Hey, I do have a dream

and it involves having a President - a real one, not the phony POS that we have now! :)

[lonestarnot]

38. Don't believe you are privy to his itinerary

[BreakForNews]

40. It's On.......

Kerry to Visit Assad
http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=74376
11:15 Dec 29, '04 / 17 Tevet 5765

(IsraelNN.com) Former US Presidential candidate Senator John Kerry will be visiting Syria for meetings with top officials in the first week of 2005, after a preceding visit to Iraq, according to Syrian news reports.

Syrian news agency reports also indicated that former US Under Secretary of State Richard Armitage will visit Damascus next Sunday (January 2) for meetings with Syrian dictator Bashar Al-Assad. Armitage's visit to Syria, like Kerry's, is also to be subsequent to a trip to Iraq.

Kerry to visit Middle East, troops in Iraq
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/12/09/kerry.iraq.ap/
Thursday, December 9, 2004
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry will travel to Iraq next month as the war-torn country prepares for elections.

Fintan Dunne, Editor
http://www.BreakForNews.com

[lonestarnot]

41. Doe this make it so?

[Benhurst]

42. Surely not. After all, he's got my back covered, and I'll be here. NT

[Fescue4u]

47. Kerry is playing it smart

He is laying low, like a cobra, waiting for the proper time to strike.

He may be in the Middle East, but he'll be surrounded by a bevy of his legal team planning the next move.

[gdub]

48. Hello? Is it difficult to understand?

Kerry has already declared that he is running in 2008.

Why do people insist on thinking that he actually is contesting the 2004 election?

On what basis do people think this?

Without trying to sound pompous, I have a relatively direct connection to the Kerry campaign that tells me the same thing--he checked out on this issue Nov 3 and nothing that has happended since has changed his mind.

The fight here is not in Congress on January 6 nor does it involve John Kerry as President.

Frightenly enough, if you can stand it, start to look at the list of presidential successors...

[Pooka Fey]

50. Tell Kerry and the DNC that this lifelong Democrat is turning Green.

I plan to support a candidate and a party that actually REPRESENTS me, and isn't afraid to question the 2004 election which stinks to high heaven - like the Glibs. Not that I actually believe that it matters anymore; after massive fraud in '00, '02 & '04; if I want to participate in theatre I'll join an acting troupe.

[LittleClarkie]

60. Alrighty then. See ya. Bon voyage. Don't forget to write.

auf Wiedersehen

Adios

Ma'as salaam

Bidai

Farvel

Hooroo

Au revoir

Aloha

Arrivederci

Sayonara

Zai jian

Giga-waabamin

Do widzenia

Sat siri akal

Poka

Adyos po

Sizobonana

Later, dude.

[Pooka Fey]

64. Will the last democrat to leave the party remember to turn the lights out?

[seito]

68. LMAO

Pooka Fey, since you don't think the fight is in Congress, and your deep insider tells you that Kerry has boogied out, how do you plan to fight...or, do you plan to run away also?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[seito]

67. Bye

:hi:

[LittleClarkie]

53. He never said he was contesting the election, so I'm not looking for that.

We are likely stuck with Bush.

Even so, I'm glad he's going to Iraq. I'm glad he's putting in legislation for children's health care, I'm glad he's going to form a PAC, and I'm glad to see that he has a hand in helping the recounts and in trying to preserve the data from this election.

He promised to make sure that every vote is counted. I've seen his hand in that. And he has promised to work for election reform. Getting the data from this election is part of that process. So the current lawsuit fits into that goal.

Even so, dude, I think if something is going on quietly inside, you're relatively direct link probably isn't insider enough to know about it.

As for me, Kerry's on that list of successors. Big time.

[gdub]

75. I agree with your points of support for Kerry

Whether or not "I" have an interface with the campaign is irrelevant. Don't bother with my word. Just sit back and see what happens.

[Laurab]

72. Actually, it 's difficult for me to understand

I think Kerry is a very intelligent man, who knows he won't have a chance in hell in 2008 if he ignores the election fraud issue. I also believe he's a man of integrity who could not ignore the election fraud issue. At this point in time, he has nothing to contest the election on. At least not that we know of. Yet, his name keeps popping up on lawsuits being filed, and I believe he is also "quietly" helping to fund them. I don't believe he "checked out" at all. I honestly don't know what people think he could have/should have done. No matter what, he would have been all over the media as a "sore loser" who couldn't accept the fact that he lost.

I choose to believe differently. I could be painted a "blind" follower, but I choose to think of it as educated guessing, using what he's done in the past to judge what he just might be doing now.

It's certainly nice that SOMEONE is going to Iraq to meet with and talk with the troops. Some people are going to find fault with whatever Kerry does, or doesn't do. I think he's doing EXACTLY what he should be doing. At this point, no matter what we think, it's an assumption. I'm sticking to mine.

[gdub]

100. I think of it this way

There is no "fraud" issue for Kerry. He does not believe there was fraud.

As a result, there is no Kerry "fraud" strategy. Everyone seems to think he is aware and cares. This is simply wrong, and I have this opinion based on direct contacts with the campaign.

[Laurab]

101. I think you're mistaken...

but only time will tell. I also believe most people involved with his campaign probably don't know exactly what he believes or doesn't believe, because he'd be a fool to tell most people. Leaks would abound. I'm just going to be patient, myself.

[gdub]

102. Huh, how about his wife? Is that direct enough?

In addition to what I am saying, others who have connections to the Kerry's have posted similar messages on DU in the past few days.

Get real, it's the only way to really address the issue. I guess this is easy for me to say as I am a Republican and even as a general non-partisan matter, I don't particularly like John Kerry. As a result, the question of election fraud for me is not one of whether John Kerry will be president and whether he still believes in the cause. He is a politician and is interested in power.

The question for me is if someone cheated to the degree suggested in 2004 (and more so, as a brazen extension of similar activity in 2000 and 2002), that action runs against the most fundamental democractic principles that form the basis for our social contract. This must be challenged.

As a matter of mobilization and organization, I believe we would, as a group sharing the interest of combating election fraud and those that perpetrate it, be better served forgetting about John Kerry and focusing on how best to challenge and overcome the ruling party.

[Laurab]

103. Well if you had a confidential discussion with his wife, I guess so

Otherwise, no, of course not. I don't care what they say publicly, and if they have any brains (which I'm quite sure both John and Theresa do), they are not going to tell people about something that, in my opinion, is "under the radar" activity. I believe John Kerry is an integral part of combatting election fraud, and I think the fact that you don't really like John Kerry is telling here. If you have paid attention to the unpopular battles he has fought, and how intelligently he has fought them, I think, just maybe, you would be thinking differently. That's all I have to say about the topic. As I said, time will tell, unless you DID in fact have a personal and confidential conversation with his wife, in which case I'm pretty sure you would not be posting it here.

[Spongebob76]

66. If Kerry really wants to wait till 2008 ....

I will fight him no matter who the GOP candidate is.
I am really losing my patience with Kerry. If he is really playing games and he can turn it around on Jan 6th, good for him. However, everything is indicating that nothing will happen.

He had a chance to stand up and fight and chose to concede. Here is my suggestion for 2008.
Let Howard Dean make an announcement that he will run in 2008 as an independent. He can start expanding his base now, start collecting funds. He will avoid another rigged and costly primary season and if the Democrats are smart they won't send "their" candidate.

[seito]

69. Who needs enemies when you got friends

I LOVE IT :loveya:

[Darknyte7]

77. Focus...

on the next 8 days friend...

[MileHiStealth]

71. Just wants to be somewhere safe when....

the shit hits the fan.The fact that he
picked the Middle East speaks volumes ....

[malatesta1137]

78. where Kerry is on Jan 6

is absolutely irrelevant. What the Democrats who ARE in Washington that day DO is what matters.

If the electoral votes are confirmed, I don't care if John Kerry never comes back from Iraq. The other 'leaders' in the Senate might as well join him there and remain.

[Dancing_Dave]

85. This just gets stranger all the time...

:shrug: