URGENT: Don't ask Senators to contest just OHIO!!!

[garybeck]

Confining the contest to OHIO would be devastating to the efforts to uncover the whole truth.

Please check this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x211097

It is VITAL that we ask the Reps and Senators to contest other states. We must convince Conyers to do this too.

Remember, Diebold, Clint Curtis, Wendy Orange, Bev Harris, all are key players in the election fraud issue and none of them can be mentioned in an investation/lawsuit/electoral contest that only refers to OHIO.

PLEASE, DON'T CONFINE THE INVESTIGATION AND CONTEST TO OHIO!!!!!

[Goldeneye]

1. What exactly are we contesting?

I've lost track. Its not the seating of electors. Its the certification right? So do we just ask them not to certify results from states where there seem to be exit poll discrepencies? or where there were or will be recounts? anyone..I want to make sure I do this correctly.

[garybeck]

4. someone needs to draft a sample letter

and decide exactly what we're asking them to do.

OHIO IS NOT ENOUGH and if only OHio is contested it will hamper the investigation and diminish the chances of a truthful outcome!!

[IndyPriest]

17. Here's a sample: my letter to Sen. Levin

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x212954

[Amaryllis]

19. Text from letter OR Dems delivered to all congress people :

Note this was delivered to them in November. Had it been now, the text would probably be stronger, given all that has surfaced, and would have cited Conyer's work, but NOTE IN PARTICULAR:

"a public pledge to challenge the electors from any and all states where irregularities and possible fraud have surfaced"

Letter is at: http://www.dpo.org/news/documents/1780.html

We, the representative body of Oregon Democrats urge an immediate and thorough investigation into extensive voting irregularities occurring nationwide during the November 2 election and raising grave doubts as to the validity of the election.

Such irregularities include, but are not limited to the following:

-Numerous reports of efforts to delay or discourage voting or actually purge voter registrations in pre-dominantly African-American and low-income districts

-Precincts in Ohio showing vote counts ten times higher than the number of registered voters

-Reports of "Touch screen" voting machines registering votes for the candidate NOT selected

-Reports of Broward County, Florida machines counting "backward"

-Partisan wrongdoing by the very people elected and appointed to safeguard this most precious of all rights afforded citizens in a free democratic society

Voting is the absolute bedrock of our democracy. Now, not later, is the time to investigate all 2004 voting irregularities with unrelenting persistence, vigor, and a total commitment to 100% reliable election results in order to honor and protect our democracy.

We encourage and will support our elected officials as follows:

U.S. Representatives Earl Blumenauer, Peter DeFazio, Darlene Hooley, David Wu, and Greg Walden we encourage and support

-a public and aggressive participation, alongside Congressional Representatives Conyers, Nadler, Wexler, Holt, Scott, Watt, Baldwin, Miller, Slaughter, Filner, Lee, Meeks, Olver, and Schakowsky in calling upon the Government Accountability Office (GAO), to perform a timely and thorough investigation into all voting irregularities nationwide
-a public pledge to challenge the electors from any and all states where irregularities and possible fraud have surfaced

Senators Ron Wyden and Gordon Smith, we encourage and support

-a public pledge to step forward and concur with any such challenges to state electors brought by members of the U.S. House of Representatives

Americans need assurances that their elected representatives are working with steadfast determination to ensure every vote is counted.

Your efforts to this end may be difficult and will likely be challenged by those currently satisfied with the perceived election results. However, for those who believe that America's promise of "liberty and justice" and a counted vote "for all" MUST be honored, your efforts will be recognized as nothing less than heroic.

[IndyPriest]

20. That's a GREAT letter!

[Amaryllis]

21. yeah, and it was hand delivered it to the aides of all congress people

except Smith who wouldn't see us in person. It was end of November when we did it.

[garybeck]

24. that is great, I just sent a copy to the VT Dem Party

[Amaryllis]

26. Okay, I just edited and posted the whole letter in post 19.

[garybeck]

2. this needs a kick

[pbartch]

23. I'm from Oregon and MY state did a great thing here!!

I wish all the State Democratic party would do the same.

[Amaryllis]

27. Are you in Portland? If you are, check this out:

There are a lot of us working very actively on election fraud, and we are hooking up with each other and joining forces.

ALL GROUP MEETING TUESDAY, JAN. 4TH, 7PM
First Unitarian Church
1011 SW 12th Ave, Portland, 97205
[phone]

All invited.

Combined meeting for
Action Speaks, Clean Vote, Code Pink, Deaners,
Alliance for Democracy,
and all groups or individuals
working on election fraud.

Public invited!

We will discuss next action items in our work on the election. Many
different groups have connected and are combining efforts.
This should be a very interesting meeting.

[IndyPriest]

3. Exactly. Let's see, 26 states at 2 hours a piece....

Gosh, they could be there a while!

[Goldeneye]

5. i thought it was only 2 hours total?

[garybeck]

6. it's not just about the time

it's about the evidence that can or can't be discussed if Ohio is the only state contested.

Only contesting Ohio is shortsighted and will impair the discussion.

[Goldeneye]

8. No, no I understand.

Anyone working on a draft? Most of the out of state ones arent going to be read anyway. Maybe personalize the ones to your senators?

[IndyPriest]

7. Heck, no.

It's 2 hours PER contested state. Each contested state, one at a time. Shoot, this could go on until the 20th! They might to have to order in!

[Goldeneye]

9. Serious?

That's great news.:headbang:

[garybeck]

10. that's only if we stop only asking them to contest OHIO

I've gotten dozens of emails asking me to contact my representatives and senators about 1/6. Every one says I should ask them to contest the Ohio electors. This is not good. We need to ask them to contest FL and NM, and some others too. This needs to be discussed, what exactly we are asking for. But to confine it to only OHIO is bad. If each state adds 2 hours to the debate, then that's all the more reason. But we have to change all these emails that are flying around just mentioning OHIO.

Gary

[Quakerfriend]

11. You are so right garybeck!

This is such an important point to remember, regardless of the late date in some states for contesting the results!!

[cyberpj]

12. Agreed.

[Lostnote03]

13. Good Point!!!!

.....I was under the impression that rules are suspended throughout debate other than time allotment.....In any case you make a good point.....

[IndyPriest]

14. Hey, KICK this thing!

[garybeck]

15. WE ARE TOO UNORGANIZED

We should have a mechanism set up to deal with something like this. We need to decide which states should be contested, and make sure they are all mentioned in the sample letters, websites, emails, and all aspects of the campaign to contact senators (and reps)

[Amaryllis]

25. you are reinventing the wheel. It's been done. Cobb people know.

see votecobb.org They have contact info on their website, and you could call them tomorrow. We know for sure FL, NV, NM. Greens were gonna recount NV but decided not to because of unreasonable obstacles imposed by the Nevada Secretary of State. "The Nevada Secretary of State's office presented us with hefty bill and a ridiculous list of tasks to be completed in an unreasonably short period of time," said Cobb-LaMarche Media Director Blair Bobier. Info on their website.

Or, you can just say like we did in the Oregon letter, "any and all states where irregularities and possible fraud have surfaced" or some such blanket statement.

[garybeck]

29. no, a lot of other processes were still just asking for OH

the website that offered a "oneclick" way to contact your senators still said just OH. I've talked to them and they changed it.

I've also received at least 3 emails in the last day about contacting my senator and they just say OH.

that's my point - Cobb might be on it, but we're not organized enough to make the changes throughout.

[garybeck]

16. one more KICK for the road

this is important

[pauldp]

18. Kick it !!! n/t

[Amaryllis]

22. So glad you started this thread. I have been thinking same thing.

[Wilms]

28. Maybe a daily "BLAST" thread, like the daily "...Recount Thread"

Name the states (I Know, all of them) worth complaining about.

New Mexico?
Florida?
Iowa?

Tell me, Gary...!

And thanks,

Presidential Election Atlas link:

<http://uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/>

[wiggs]

30. Good point

Aside from your point that the election integrity of many more states is unclear, we need more than Ohio's electoral votes to be nullified. Inclusion of more states in the challenges makes a bigger point about the integrity of elections.

Also....

From what I understand, if Ohio's electoral votes are successfully challenged, they disappear but are not awarded to Kerry. We need more Bush electoral delegates to disappear to get below Kerry's total.

[bunny planet]

31. I don't know where OldLeftieLawyer is, haven't seen her for days but......

She says that preventing the slate of electors from Ohio will in effect throw a monkey wrench into the entire electoral process (if the Senate and House 2 hr. deliberation doesn't shut down the effort on the 6th) and give us time to call into question what happened in other states, notably New Mexico and Florida. This was my understanding, we are in new territory if the Ohio R. electors are rejected, but the whole process grinds to a halt. Biting my toenails now (just kidding).