What I saw in florida...RE Volusia

[Andy_Stephenson]

In another thread Boredtodeath asked me to step up to the plate. So here I am stepping up to the plate. If anyone has questions and I will be happy to answer them if I know the answer.


OK here is what I saw with my own eyes and know from being on the ground in Florida.

1. there were 59 bad memory cards in Volusia. This was stated in a memo that was provided by Volusia. Diebold techs made the comment that Volusia had more bad memory cards that all other Florida counties combined.

2. 60 of 170 precincts in Volusia had problems. The problems I observed were as follows:

a. We were provided poll tapes that were printed on the 15th of november. When compared to the originals (printed nov 2nd) there were divergent totals in many cases 1, 2 and 3 vote differences. In one case there was a 267 vote difference.

b. When we were finally provided copies of the ones printed on the 2nd, there were other discrepancies such as...missing "0" reports. Missing Signatures on the "0" reports we were provided. Missing signatures on results tapes...again out of 170 precincts observed there were 60 anomalous precincts. These were all centered in the 500, 600 and 700 series precincts. These precincts are all in east Volusia in blue collar, African American and elderly precincts.

c. Election materials that were found in the trash and in paricular a poll tape that was not provided to us in the original batch printed on the 15th. This is the one that there was so much discussion about in regards to Keith Olberman.


Andy

edit: I welcome question as it will hep jog the old memory bank and perhaps get this into a public record of sorts.

[meganmonkey]

1. Wow - Thanks Andy.

Just want you to know that I appreciate your hard work. It seems (based on all what I've read here) like you've been through a lot of shit in the past year and that sucks. So THANK YOU for your efforts.
:hug:
mm

[GregD]

2. Besides being used in any FL legal actions,

do you know if Conyers has this? I have a contact among the Judiciary Committee staff if necessary.

[Andy_Stephenson]

3. He does not have the information to my knowledge

I would be more than happy to talk to them. You have my number...I will be in DC on the 5th...early...I will talk but have not been asked.

[ohio_liberal]

19. You've gotta come forward

Please don't wait for them to find you.

[Andy_Stephenson]

26. I am a nobody...

why would they take my call?

[ohio_liberal]

34. There has to be more than one way

Surely it's possible to get through to someone with Cobb, Arnebeck, Fitrakis, Bonifaz, Conyer's staff....somebody. Someone brought Clinton Curtis to the hearings and he was a nobody. And his testimony was all about shananigans in Florida.

[Andy_Stephenson]

38. I am currently working with Arnebeck and Fitrakis.

but they are concentrating on Ohio.

[troubleinwinter]

47. I am sure they can help you place a call to a Conyers staffer.

[KittyWampus]

39. Ida Briggs Could Possibly Lend A Hand Or Will Pitt......BUT BUT BUT

Andy, you NEED to have documented proof in hand.

Maybe we could find someone with frequent flyer miles to get you to FL to pick records up.

[troubleinwinter]

45. I would think that Andy could give a sworn affidavit, and

Conyers' staff could get the copies of the documents from FLA.

This is VITAL!

[ohio_liberal]

51. Well this of course

is a brilliant idea. Clinton Curtis' testimony began with an affadavit (sorry to keep bringing him up here ;))

On edit:

Would an affidavit have to be filed with the courts? Is everything closed until Monday?

[troubleinwinter]

61. Plus, Andy can make an affidavit wherever he is NOW!

I am sure Arnebeck / Fritakis could tell him how to make a sworn affidavit, and it could be FAXed to Conyers' office.

The Judiciary ought to be able to have some kinda staffer get the docs from FLA, but Andy points out that he knows exactly WHAT to pick up, and surely the elections office is not going to be forthcoming on their own.

[Amaryllis]

66. I have learned never to not act because I am a nobody. You'd be amazed

at what important people sometimes don't know.

I updated post 53 after you responded so in case you don't see it,
one thing I have learned in this work is not to assume that because I am a nobody, I shouldn't call someone. I have now called all kinds of people, like for example Arnebeck's office, and found out they didn't even know Olbermann was covering what they are doing. This was about a month ago, but I have learned to never not call because I am a nobody and never to assume they already know what I know.

When I talked to Minority Judiciary Committee's web administrator
she told me they wanted anyone with evidence to contact them. Anyone! Not just important people. So stay on it! You could be a tremendously valuable resource for them.

[me b zola]

91. You make a wonderful point, we should ALL take heed.

This is, after all, the way that social movements gain their strength and their eventual desired outcome.;)

[FloridaCrat]

67. Andy, Please do yourself a favor and watch the taped Congressional

hearing conducted by the Ranking Democratic member of the Judiciary Committee, John Conyers, held on December 8:

//cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/c04/c04120804_conyers.rm

This hearing will give you a good background on things that happened while you were in Florida - there were a whole lot of people that provided evidence into the record of this fraudulent election. People were commenting that someone from BBV should have been at this session, but I can understand why you weren't.

Every single piece of evidence is extremely important. You are a key player because you have first hand knowledge and can be deposed and provide testimony.

Don't wait for someone to call you. As Congressman Conyers states on multiple occasions, we all need to provide the evidence for them to act on. You have to take the step of contacting Conyers and through his staff provide the evidence. Remember, all you have witnessed, is evidence.

[s-cubed]

103. Andy - I think you can go through David Lytel of

ReDefeatBush.org. My memory is that a congressman from FL, who lost his seat, has just jointed up. He was convinced to join by Bev. I have David's number & can call him if you want, or give it to you. David does have some contacts & may know who to talk to. Also, I may have the name of one of ConyThers staff: I'll look it up. PM what you want me to do.

PS. The offer of the place to stay still holds: my husband won't mind, and I won't feed the dog any beans before you come.

PSS: You are NOT a nobody - you are a warrior! :yourock:

[Andy_Stephenson]

106. I will be in on the 5th and leave the 7th

if that is ok...will PM you my phone number.

[s-cubed]

110. YES THAT WILL BE FINE!

[Carolab]

116. Peter Deutsch is the congressman n/t

[GregD]

131. I passed your phone # to my contact

[greatauntoftriplets]

Someone's not gonna be happy with your post....

:evilgrin:

:hi: and :loveya:

[Kelvin Mace]

17. "Someone" can jolly well...

.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[greatauntoftriplets]

21. ?

:evilgrin:

[Andy_Stephenson]

29. Take a long walk on a short Pier?

:evilgrin:

[salin]

4. help me understand

pt 2 b. Having a hard time sorting out what this means.

Thanks.

[Andy_Stephenson]

5. Ok let me try to clarify...

When we were finally provided copies of the ones printed on the 2nd, there were other discrepancies such as...missing "0" reports. Missing Signatures on the "0" reports we were provided. Missing signatures on results tapes...again out of 170 precincts observed there were 60 anomalous precincts. These were all centered in the 500, 600 and 700 series precincts. These precincts are all in east Volusia in blue collar, African American and elderly precincts.

When we first arrived in Volusia. Deanie Lowe gave us "copies" of the poll tapes. They were printed from the memory cards and were dated Nov 15 2004.

They were not the ones printed and signed by poll workers on the 2nd. Deanie Lowe told us that Florida law phrobited the release of registered voters signatures and since the poll workers were registered voters wqe could not have the ones printed on the 2nd.

It was only after some heated discussion that we got copies of the originals.

[salin]

8. clarification of question

what does 'missing "0" reports' mean? What are "0" reports?

the point of the ones being printed were not signed is a HUGE deal - esp if they were different than those that were run the 2nd.

Have been a precinct worker (albiet different state) and you carefully sign EVERYTHING. Multiple signatures and signatures from workers of BOTH parties.

[Andy_Stephenson]

13. "0" reports are the tapes printed in the morning

from the accuvote machines that show there are no votes on the machine. Essentially saying they are empty.

[salin]

15. what is the significance of their "disappeared" status?

My guess is that those tapes are used to demonstrate that the machines were tested and found to be working?

[Andy_Stephenson]

25. Please clarify. n/t

[salin]

42. Trying to make sense of what the discrepencies imply

re-read your explanation - and now am getting a picture - please check my logic or tell me what I am missing.

1. They did not originally provide the tapes, but (supposed) reproductions printed nearly two weeks later.

2. That when you finally got the original tapes there were vote count total discrepencies between the Nov 15 tapes and those dated the day of the election. Many cases the vote difference were small, but in a few they were much bigger; and that the problems seemed to fall in precincts that were predominantly elderly and african american.

3. That the safe guards in place on election days were not to be found (here is where I could be wrong) - that generally tests and tapes are run before the voting starts - demonstrating that the machine is working and that can serve as a sort of "audit" per which machines were actually used, and these are "0" tapes. Furthermore, the procedure includes precinct worker signatures on the "0" tapes to attest that these were run- and in essense that these were working machines and the same machines used for actual voting.

These "0" tapes were missing in many cases. Further more where some "0" tapes existed - there were no precinct worker signatures.

Ergo due to the discrepencies there is no safeguard to suggest that the tapes used to record voting were done on machines that were working (or even the machines that were voted on) - not saying this happened but the lack of authentification provided by teh procedures leave this possibility open.

Furthermore based on the descrepencies of the vote tapes of the 15th vs the 2nd - there is an implication of possible tampering (which totals were the ones used by the state?)... raising the bar even higher on the central question of electronic machines and their fallibility.

Am I on track with a) what was found and b) what the implications are?

Thanks for helping me sort this out.

[Andy_Stephenson]

50. Correct on all counts.

You're one sharp cookie.

:)

[salin]

55. thanks GbnC

hopefully you know by now that I am more policy wonky than most - and thus like to make sure I get both what the facts are and what the legitimate underlying implications are... when I can't my brain goes on overload and it drives me to distraction.

Thanks for all of your work on this - and helping to keep fighting the fight and taking time to educate us here.

Glad some things are falling back into place for you. :D

[Andy_Stephenson]

59. Well not everything has fallen into place...

I need a job...otherwise the final nail in my financial coffin will be driven and I will loose everything. Other than that...well things have fallen into place. I am in Ohio and I discovered someting yesterday I can't talk about till I verify. But if it is what I think it is LOOKOUT shes gonna blow.

[salin]

keep digging to verify - and dig in deep

I thought I had read that some opportunity on the work front had fallen into place for you. Sorry to hear that was incorrect info. Have to believe that all your work on this will eventually parlay into your next act professionally (and pay the bills.) In the meanwhile... lets up this one is a big blowup!

[Carolab]

115. Hey Andy with your knowledge

you could always get a job with the RNC rigging elections

[troubleinwinter]

119. How about as an Assistant to The Special Prosecutor?

[Andy_Stephenson]

129. Sorry Rigging elections is not my bag...

fact is I think it is reprehensible.

[bleever]

136. Ok, how about this: "Law & Order: Elections Forensic Unit"

though it's supposed to be kinda grueling doing a series.

Happy New Year, Andy! All the best!

:toast:

[tavalon]

143. Andy

it was a joke. We know you're one of the good guys. One of the bestest.

[troubleinwinter]

89. I have another thought???

Andy, you are intending to be in DC this week. I believe Conyers said he would be holding another forum in DC this Tues. or Wed.? You could meet with his staffers to give an affidavit.

[coffeenap]

92. and see if he's hiring????? n/t

[mattclearing]

6. What about the tug of war over the garbage with the poll tapes?

Did that happen? Is there video?

[Andy_Stephenson]

10. Yes it did happen...I was not there...

I have not seen the video...but if it exists BBV owns that video.

Actually me not being there is one of the reasons Bev "fired me"

[troubleinwinter]

33. Bev claims that the video belongs to voteTV, but

that makes no sense, as you have said that they were not there, they were driving at the same time you were, towards "the scene". (Geez, could she be lying?)

Also, she has said that she is NOT making a movie, but I have seen that she is keeping this video "for the movie she is making", and that she wanted to film an interview with Ohio volunteers for "her" movie.

Do you have any idea if she is intending to make a movie, or if people are confusing the voteTV project?

[Andy_Stephenson]

37. Votergate.tv is making a movie.

Bev is not...perhaps she has deluded herself that it is about her. But it is not...I repeat...not her movie. The guys making that movie are honorable and upstanding guys. The only video they own is the video of the florida activists pulling election materials from the trash behind the Volusia County Election office.

[Kelvin Mace]

117. If you have evidence of a crime

the evidence belongs to the people. Failure to turn over such evidence constitutes obstruction of justice of accesory after the fact.

Perhaps Bev can keep Martha Stewart company.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[troubleinwinter]

118. A criminal AND a traitor.

[Amaryllis]

7. Has this been sent to Conyers? Can you send it? I'd call and alert them

first if you want to do this because they are getting so many emails each day.

[Andy_Stephenson]

12. Answered in post 3 n/t

[Amaryllis]

53. Call them please! They probably don't even know who you are.

I talked to them and they are nice. They are getting thousands of emails a day and if you send via email, it is important to alert them you are sending. Please, Andy, don't wait for them to call you.
This is their number. 202-225-6906 Just tell them what you do and what you know.

One thing I have learned in this work is not to assume that because I am a nobody, I shouldn't call someone. I have now called all kinds of people, like for example Arnebeck's office, and found out they didn't even know Olbermann was covering what they are doing. This was about a month ago, but I have learned to never not call because I am a nobody and never to assume they already know what I know. You would be amazed at what important people sometimes don't know.

[Andy_Stephenson]

54. Calling now...

answering machine...or the like

[Amaryllis]

56. Damn! I forgot they are all closed today. Holiday. Call first thing Monday

and in the meantime leave message and tell them you are sending email and to be looking for it? When I talked to them, they specifically said they want people with evidence to contact them.

[ohio_liberal]

9. And Bev Harris has.....

been sitting on the proof of all this for how long? Does the lawsuit she filed have anything to do with this information?

[Andy_Stephenson]

11. She has not filed a lawsuit. It was filed by a Florida

resident. Now if Bev is going to use it I am unaware as I have not spoken to her since the end of November.

[ohio_liberal]

14. OK, thanks for the clarification

I was under the impression that BBV.org filed a lawsuit. :shrug:

[salin]

18. I think there is confusion about her alleged planned

federal qui tam and whether or not this might play into that?

[ohio_liberal]

22. I think my confusion

comes from the fact that Bev kept mentioning lawsuits in Volusia County. I thought it was something she had initiated.

[Andy_Stephenson]

20. BBV.org filed a lawsuit against

Theresa lepore for not releasing FOIA documents.

[ohio_liberal]

23. OK, gotcha

:)

[JoAnnSimon]

152. Bev Harris

I'm beginning to think that Bev Harris and her Black Box Voting has been transformed into a Bev Harris ego-trip.

Yes, she did some very legitimate anaylsis of electronic voting machines,which showed their errors, but she's failed to report on the investigations she's been making in Florida, and she's not sending definative information out to the rest of us.

Saddly, I've lost all trust in Bev Harris.

[salvorhardin]

16. Poll tapes?

Andy, could you clarify something for those of us who aren't familiar with the terminology?

What, exactly, is a "poll tape"? I've seen this term used so often and yet I've never seen it actually explained. I think that around the time of the Bev smackdown on Randi's show that there was a lot of confusion between poll tapes and video tape.

I gather that it is essentially a printout from the central tabulator. However the word 'tape' in the term implies that it is similar to a 1970s/1980s style cash register paper tape -- i.e. a running log of all transactions with summaries.

Also, what is a '"0" Report'? Am I right in assuming that this is also similar to a cash register "Z" reading where final tallies for individual categories (in this case various races and candidates) are reported and the machine zeroed out at the end of the run?

Pardon me if these are questions that have been answered repeatedly. I just don't recall seeing the answers.

On edit: Oops. Someone got in the "0" report question before I did.

[Andy_Stephenson]

24. The poll tape looks like a register tape.

It prints from the optical scan machine and shows how many votes were cast on that machine.

Everything in your post is correct except the poll tape comes from the optiscan machine and not the tabulator.

[pantouflard]

28. What's the difference between an optical scan machine and a tabulator? n/t

[Andy_Stephenson]

32. Opti scan scans the ballots....and adds all the votes

cast on it...there is generally one per polling location. The central tabulator counts all the votes coming in from the precincts. In the case of Volusia it is in DeLand Florida.

[salvorhardin]

35. Thanks. :-)

One more question...

Is there a similar readout from the tabulator that must also be signed by the proper elections' officials? If so, are those tapes available to compare against the individual actual optiscan Nov. 2 poll tapes?


Actually, this really begs the question, why weren't copies of these tapes made available on the internet? I know... sort of rhetorical given the context of the current situation, but still...!

[Andy_Stephenson]

41. The tabulator prints several reports.

interim Statement of Votes Cast and the final statement of Votes cast.

[KittyWampus]

27. Do You Have Any Documented Proof Or Records Of Discrepencies?

Andy, do you have anything in writing that would prove your observations and assertions?

Does ANYONE?

I mean besides the video of Bev garbage-diving.

[Andy_Stephenson]

30. I could get copies

If I had plane fare and car rental to florida.

[KittyWampus]

31. Andy, I Think We Should Find A Way For You To Get Those Copies

ASAP.

Airfare to FL. is cheap.

Maybe someone's frequent flyer miles?

[pantouflard]

36. I officially volunteer to help you get there.

I don't have much, but dammit I'm sick of thinking of all that evidence gathering dust. How can I help?

[FloridaCrat]

71. I'll help too

Andy, You had mentioned in your previous Spill The Beans expose that there was also something uncovered in Broward. I live in Broward. Can we get this too?

Tell me what I can do to help.

[Doremus]

49. Public records? Why couldn't you give instructions for getting

the records to a DU'er living in Volusia?

[Andy_Stephenson]

52. Well...

they tried to snow us...I know what to look for and they are not going to make thesame mistake 2 times.

[Doremus]

62. If we ever want to be able to use this evidence...

you'd best get going before they start purging.

It's just too bad we can't get access to the first batch of evidence we paid for.

[coffeenap]

58. I will buy you a ticket to Florida if you can get a reasonable fare

and you believe you will be safe. pm kamqute--I mean it. Luvya!

[coffeenap]

60. k says get a PAYPAL account so people can send you money if they are able

[troubleinwinter]

64. There is a paypal acct. for Andy on David's site...

www.blackboxvoting.com (that's COM)

[coffeenap]

65. thanks--is it still available to him with no troubles?

[troubleinwinter]

69. The info is on David's site, lower right side...

Paypal site info and Andy's email addy to send to.

[Andy_Stephenson]

75. I am not sure how to use paypal to buy a plane ticket.

does anyone know?

[ohio_liberal]

77. You've gotta have

the Paypal debit card.

[Andy_Stephenson]

79. I don't have one of those...

is it hard to get one?

[ohio_liberal]

80. No...

It's very easy....just need to link your bank account and a credit card to your Paypal account and then request a debit card (comes with a Visa or M/C logo). The bad thing is that it takes weeks to get it. In order for you to have instant access to $$ we'd have to use something else like Western Union.

[coffeenap]

82. how 'bout

you just get with kamqute or me on im and we buy you a ticket on line?

[coffeenap]

84. besides,

i LOVE mac and cheese

[Andy_Stephenson]

85. I am on Mac and

unfortunately...YM does not have a Mac opton.


Lemme try something else.

[coffeenap]

86. oy--

i mean to eat after we buy a plane ticket LOL

[Citizen Jane]

113. IM on Mac

Andy,

You can IM on a Mac. If you are running OSX, you can use iChat. Just get the AIM screen names of the people you need and use iChat to contact them (unless, of course, your computer doesn't have iChat on it, LOL!).

Also, my Mom was a volunteer (GOTV, poll-watching, etc.) for the Democrats in Volusia county and lives in DeLand. She and my Dad are both ultra-liberals. I'm sure she'd love to help you out if she could. PM me if you are interested!

:hi:

[troubleinwinter]

87. Coffee, you are a patriot! Maybe there's a DUer in FLA that could

drive Andy / put him up?

[ChiciB1]

139. I'm A DUer in FL

And I have a FANTASTIC email buddy who lives in DeLand. Always sending me the latest info on EVERYTHING. Doesn't belong to DU because he doesn't like to BLOG.

But you can contact me about more info anytime and I can see what we can do. I joined up with B. Harris from the get-go, BUT NOTHING she did got any RESULTS!

She may have been a plant, I don't know. I was just told she was out of her league being a "first-timer" and all. But having lived in Florida for so long and seeing what has gone one, I don't TRUST very many people. This state seems to have been "fooled" with more than 2 times. I still question HOW Cruella got elected and I have MANY doubts about Martinez. Then Nelson, while a Democrat... he doesn't seem very "activated!" I've written him and asked to be on his update list. I've only received one reply from him, so I wonder!

I'm going to a meeting on Jan 5th with Democrats and would like to have some input to spread around.

[roenyc]

147. Think you should wonder about Jeb too

[ChiciB1]

148. JEB?????????

Nothing to wonder about. I KNOW ABOUT HIM!! He's a Bush!!

Unfortunately, I can remember when Florida was pretty decent. Guess when Jeb got beat by Walkin Lawton, he vowed then to do WHATEVER it took!!

This was my daughter's first time being involved in a National Election and she went around saying that since JEB was the Gov., Florida should have "recused" itself from the election. At the time I laughed, but she may have had the BEST idea after all!!!

TWO TIMES IN A ROW???? Nothing to Wonder about here... Did you know that his wife doesn't even live in the Governor's Mansion! That's something to wonder about, huh??

Or she may have decided to move in since I last heard, but I ALWAYS found that a little STRANGE!

[troubleinwinter]

78. See post #68... use paypal $ for expenses

[BigBearJohn]

132. I just sent some money for Andy to Paypal

It's only $25, but I don't have much left over from
contributing to the election. It might buy
some gas for the rental car.

God bless you, Andy. You are a hero.

[tavalon]

144. Okay, I sent some money

via paypal. I hope you can get down there and get what's needed. If you need a quick, inexpensive ticket, there is a way around the 2-3 week delay for best prices. That is to go to Ebay and buy a plain white envelope that happens to have a Southwest Airlines Rapid Rewards round trip voucher with it. I have done this no less than 20 times and along with only costing about $300 (expensive envelope,eh) it has ultimate flexibility - I've been able to change it the day before, once I even called the day of the flight to make the flight later. It's easy, efficient and for me, I've never had a problem.

Oh, and if you make sure to only bid on ones that have paypal as their method of payment, you can use funds from your own paypal account to pay for it.

Just make sure that Southwest Airlines flies from Ohio to Florida.

[Kelvin Mace]

109. FYI

You can book a ticket for someone else on-line.

Check for the cehapest fair at:

priceline.com
travelocity.com
hotwire.com

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[denese]

102. If you come to Florida Andy...

I have an extra bed for you.
About an hour from Volusia county.
Denese

[Mojorabbit]

122. I have a place for you here too

in Orlando and a beat up old pickup you could drive. I don't drive myself. You'd have to not be allergic to cats though or dogs or parrots....

[Mojorabbit]

123. Also

I could fix you up with some pocket money and some good cookin.

[stella2cat]

40. I think we were all under the impression that the fabulous

Bev was going to run with this one, but I haven't heard anything about it. Have you?

[Andy_Stephenson]

48. Not really....

apparently she is now looking at Snohomish County Wa...and HAHAHAHA Ohio. A bit late I might add.

She is pushing to activate the "Eagles" what a stupid f'ing name. "Let the Eagle Soar" John Ashcroftian and all.

[salin]

57. another question (a bit off track)

after the big dustup with bev on DU she posted on her board about the sudden hostility of democrats to her efforts (and snide implications along the way) because the discrepencies implicated democrats...

What was that all about - or was it just frustration/rationalization and hot air.

[Andy_Stephenson]

63. Well...I can say for a fact...

there was a Kerry Lawyer (or so he said) asking us why we were there "stirring up shit" and that "why didn't we leave well enough alone" and that he "had a reputation to protect".

I also had calls from at leaast 3 Kerry lawyers who were told to destroy evidence of fraud. Now I never met these people in person nor saw their credentials so it could have been all bluster. But the one I met/saw in DeLand was well...lets just say I got bad vibes from him and he was smarmy.

[salin]

68. sometime I would be interested in hearing more

speculations from both directions and all - right now, of course, it seems that such a discussion would distract from the real efforts and energy needed at hand. But that doesn't sound good. Indifference I could understand (in terms of discounting the efforts- all the world is a cynic/pragmatist and all that crap)... but actual efforts to thwart. And then telling you about the efforts (eg "leaking") almost makes one think psyops... but seriously it doesn't seem as though the number of votes in question would make that worth their while... very curious indeed. And does explain her bluster. Thanks.

[SmokingJacket]

126. !!!!!

That is something I hadn't heard before.

That be bad.

[troubleinwinter]

127. Out of 10,000 lawyers, a few hafta be smarmy, huh? Hahaha!

[pantouflard]

43. Mr. Pantouflard just offered to help out, too. n/t

[ohio_liberal]

44. It's going to be expensive

He'll need airfare, pocket money for food, etc., car rental, motel

[pantouflard]

46. Yep. So how do I donate to the cause? n/t

[troubleinwinter]

70. See post #64

[troubleinwinter]

72. Can you explain the implications of "bad memory cards"?

[Andy_Stephenson]

74. Bad memory cards...

Well a friend told me (who is familiar with the Diebold system) that if she were going to rig an election it would be done by getting extra memory cards. Call a few bad and hold them back for later use.

[salin]

81. for a bait and switch performed later?

[Andy_Stephenson]

83. Exactly

bait and switch...and if I had to point a finger at the culprit...It would be lana Hres. but that is just speculation on my part.

[salin]

88. Thanks - with a good clear teacher... I can be a quick study

:)

So who is lana Hres?

[Andy_Stephenson]

98. Here

Friday, 24 October 2003, 11:18 am

The Diebold Memos' Smoking Gun
Volusia County Memos Disclose Election 2000 Vote Fraud

By Alastair Thompson

"DELAND, Fla., Nov. 11 - Something very strange happened on election night to Deborah Tannenbaum, a Democratic Party official in Volusia County. At 10 p.m., she called the county elections department and learned that Al Gore was leading George W. Bush 83,000 votes to 62,000. But when she checked the county's Web site for an update half an hour later, she found a startling development: Gore's count had dropped by 16,000 votes, while an obscure Socialist candidate had picked up 10,000--all because of a single precinct with only 600 voters."
- Washington Post Sunday , November 12, 2000 ; Page A22

Yes. Something very strange happened in Volusia County on election night November 2000, the night that first Gore won Florida, then Bush, and then as everybody can so well remember there was a tie.

Something strange indeed. But what exactly? In the above report ( click for full version), written days after the election, hotshot Washington Post reporter Dana Milbank goes on to attribute the strange 16,022 negative vote tally from Volusia's precinct 216 to an apparently innocent cause.

"…. faulty 'memory cards' in the machines caused the 16,000-vote disappearance on election night. The glitch was soon fixed," he wrote.

But thanks to recent investigations into Black Box Voting by Washington State writer Bev Harris we now know this explanation is not correct. In fact it is not even in the ballpark.

According to recently discovered internal Diebold Election Systems memos, Global Election Systems' (which was later purchased by Diebold) own technical staff were also stumped by the events in Volusia County/

In Chapter 11 of her new book "Black Box Voting In the 21st Century" released early today in .PDF format at Blackboxvoting.com and here at Scoop Ms Harris observes.


"If you strip away the partisan rancor over the 2000 election, you are left with the undeniable fact that a presidential candidate conceded the election to his opponent based on a second card that mysteriously appears, subtracts 16,022 votes, then just as mysteriously disappears."
Working in parallel with Ms Harris Scoop has also been inquiring into the events on election night in Volusia county. Much of the material that follows is similar to that which appears in Chapter 11 of her book.

The starting point in this shocking discovery about election 2000 came in a series of internal Diebold ES technical support memos.

The following is an abbreviated version of the exchange concerning the peculiar events in Volusia county. For the purposes of research the exchange is included in full as an Appendix to this report (APPENDIX TWO). The discussion took place in early 2001 as an audit was underway in Volusia county into the events.


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(NOTE: The names below each extract link to the full text of the emails in the appendices below.)


I need some answers! Our department is being audited by the County. I have been waiting for someone to give me an explanation as to why Precinct 216 gave Al Gore a minus 16022 when it was uploaded. Will someone please explain this so that I have the information to give the auditor instead of standing here "looking dumb".
Lana Hires – Volusia County Florida - January 17, 2001 8:07 AM

My understanding is that the card was not corrupt after (or before) upload. They fixed the problem by clearing the precinct and re-uploading the same card. So neither of these explainations washes. That's not to say I have any idea what actually happened, its just not either of those…

The problem is its going to be very hard to collect enough data to really know what happened. The card isn't corrupt so we can't post-mortem it (its not mort).

Ken Clark – Diebold ES R&D Manager – January 18, 2001 1:41 PM

- the negative numbers on media display occurred when Lana attempted to reupload a card or duplicate card. Sophia and Tab may be able to shed some light here, keeping in mind that the boogie man may me reading our mail. Do we know how this could occur?

John McLaurin - Diebold ES - 18 Jan 2001 15:44:50

The problem precinct had two memcory cards uploaded. The second one is the one I believe caused the problem. They were uploaded on the same port approx. 1 hour apart. As far as I know there should only have been one memory card uploaded. I asked you to check this out when the problem first occured but have not heard back as to whether this is true.

When the precinct was cleared and re-uploaded (only one memory card as far as I know) everything was fine.
…
Given that we transfer data in ascii form not binary and given the way the data was 'invalid' the error could not have occured during transmission. Therefore the error could only occur in one of four ways:
…
<4.> There is always the possiblity that the 'second memory card' or 'second upload' came from an un-authorised source.

Tab Iredale - Diebold ES - 18 Jan 2001 13:31

If this problem is to be properly answered we need to determine where the 'second' memory card is or whether it even exists. Heh. Second shooter theory. All we need now is a grassy knoll.

Ken Clark – Diebold ES R&D Manager – 18 Jan 2001 16:42:50

I will be visiting with Lana on Monday and will ascertain the particulars related to the second memory card. One concern I’ve had all along is “if” we are getting the full story from Lana.

I’ll be back in touch and thanks for all of y’alls (that’s southern for all of you) help.

John McLaurin – Diebold ES - Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:56:06

[salin]

99. It reads as though she is the first one who calls

for help per the problem... but also as if she is the one who either reuploads or uses a different card. Could she have been duped? Really been panicked - and coached (say by the industry rep assigned to them per the purchase of the machines) - and unwittingly played a role? Or perhaps the initial call was a ruse (but she does, it reads, leaver herself wide open for taking the blame given the timing, and opportunity)

[Andy_Stephenson]

100. She was insistent on Bev

NOT showing up at the warehouse the the morning that she did. Apparently (from Bev) there were poll tapes scattered on a table with Elections workers and Lana herself at the same table. they did not have pens in hand...but it is not a far leap to assume the worst.

[salin]

104. the earlier exchange

posted above, seems to be dated 2003; the experience with bev - was that back then or this fall/winter? If the latter, perhaps the explanation is she is an extremely unorganized person (if so, she shouldn't be doing a job that requires great organization, authentification and professionalism). Always looking for various alternative explanations so one keeps eyes open in all directions.

[Andy_Stephenson]

105. That exchange was related to

2000 It was just a point of reference for you to know who Lana was.

[salin]

107. I got that... just wondering when the exchange with bev

occurred ... this past november?

[Andy_Stephenson]

108. Yes Nov 17 I believe

is the date.

[salin]

111. Curious

if indeed the 2000 were a confusion sorta thing... then you would think that she would be much more organized/professional/working to prevent any shoddy problems from happening in 2004. Can understand why you might think that she would be one to be involved if there was malfeasance.

[Andy_Stephenson]

112. Well...her demeanor was disturbing...also

Volusia residents have also said she is the one they think is the culprit. She also has a key to the vault. She has had time alone with the balots and memory cards. Call it a hunch...gut feeling.

[salin]

114. dang GbnC... sounds like a lot more than a gut feeling

some pretty good circumstancial evidence piling up to back up that hunch.

[Boredtodeath]

73. Thank you, Andy

Sorry I haven't been to this thread earlier to thank you for stepping up to the plate.

I've been busy earning a buck......

Will read the whole thread now, but had to mind my manners and say Thanks first.

[Andy_Stephenson]

76. You know...

you're not such a bad guy afterall.

:)

[Boredtodeath]

94. Well, a couple of things.....

#1 I'm not a guy at all - good or bad :-)

#2 Thank you again for this thread. It's exactly what I called for and your best revenge on Bev Harris. Do a better job at what she thinks she's so good at.

#3 If I can offer a couple explanations for some of the questions upthread, I will:

A. The Zero "0" Tape is run before an election to indicate the machine starts with "0" votes (supposedly). In some states, it MUST BE ATTACHED to the End of Day Machine Tape. Both of these tapes must be signed by the Precinct Manager and Assistant Manager; the folks IN the precinct responsible for the voting process. They are supposed to remain attached to each other to prove the machine started at Zero and ended with "this many" votes and that the elections officials in charge certified both sets of numbers. Can someone in FLORIDA check your procedures regarding the language of the 2 tapes being connected?

B. As I said in A above, the signatures on those tapes are critical because they prove they were printed before any accumulation and modem transmission occurred. The only manipulation possible, at that point is the program software and ballot definition files themselves. Those End of Day Machine Total reports are crucial to proving votes may have been manipulated via modem or at the central tabulating unit.

[aquart]

141. Oddly,

Andy seems the least vengeful on the board.

[troubleinwinter]

90. Oooops... put post #89 in the wrong place.

[wiggs]

93. Sounds like Volusia tainted. Why isn't FBI on this?

So far, it sounds like there is a lawsuit pending. This could get thrown out, it could be delayed, or a judge could rule against the plaintiff. I haven't heard anything that says that the lawsuit will be resolved before January 6 or January 20.

Also, there is a movie being made. This kind of bothers me, because it sounds like the people who have damaging information are keeping it to themselves in order to make a movie.

To me, the events you talk about warrant IMMEDIATE justice department investigation, IMMEDIATE release of all information publically so that the wheels can be set in motion for further investigation, IMMEDIATE confiscation of all evidence, IMMEDIATE investigation into other counties. Aren't federal crimes implied here?

WHY ISN'T THE FBI ON THIS ACTIVELY?

Volusia is ONE COUNTY. There may be other counties were the problems are the same or worse. We thought that by BBV digging around in limited areas, they might find some smoke that would indicate a bigger fire. Well, it sounds like you found exactly what you were hoping for, then for all practical purposes (except a future movie) the issue went away.

I don't get it.

[salin]

96. Since when has John Ashcroft,

who as head of DOJ is above the FBI, acted in non-political ways?

[Amaryllis]

97. These are questions Randi Rhodes and Olbermann have raised.

about the movie issue.

[FloridaCrat]

95. Andy, PM'ing you n/t

[ClintCooper2003]

101. Has this been submitted in the form of sworn affidavit?

If not, it should be. And whatever happened to the videotape?

[ClintCooper2003]

121. Naturally, no one responded to my post. Surprise, surprise.

[troubleinwinter]

125. ??? If you read the thread, you'll find the answer. Been discussed.

[ClintCooper2003]

130. Oh.

[Kelvin Mace]

128. The video tape is under Bev's control

It has been mentioned numerous times in this thread.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[prairierose]

120. GB&C, just a thought I had reading this thread....

If Conyers & cmte knew about the video tape of election materials in trash, could they subpoena that tape?

:shrug:

[troubleinwinter]

124. Conyers has no subpoena power within the Minority Committee.

[BigBearJohn]

133. Can I tell you what REALLY pisses me off? I even couldn't sleep.

When I hear Secty of State Blackwell cavalierly talking about
"voting irregularities," passing FRAUD off as "something to be expected,"
I want to pull out what little hair I have left.
I mean -- if I make ONE, stupid, tiny mistake on my tax forms, I either
get audited or receive an unpleasant letter in the mail threatening serious consquences.
Now ~~ if this fucked up government can track 10 gazillion tax
returns, and are able to pull a needle out of a haystack and put
citizens in jail over it, WHY THE HELL can't we expect the same
kind of scrutiny over the MOST IMPORTANT and SACRED aspect of our
Democracy -- the VOTE?#?!???

[demo dutch]

134. I have not heard anyone put that way ! A brilliant analogy!

[BigBearJohn]

135. Thanks! :) Truth is simple, isn't it? Lies complicate matters.

[sepia_steel]

137. Ridiculous.

This makes me so very angry. It never ends.

Thanks for your hard work, Andy.

[ChiciB1]

138. Hey Andy

I live in Sarasota County and we had problems BEFORE the election with several write-ups in the Herald Tribune about OUR Supervisor of Elections. This place is FULL of REPUKES, and we have no where to turn. Katherine Harris is my Congressperson, so no help here either!

While watching returns on Election night around 11:00 PM I saw a dump of votes into Harris' column by about 40,000 against Jan Schneider. Then I watched many other counties having votes dumped into Bush's column about the same time. I remain CONVINCED that the whole state was "tapped!" My daughter and I have tried and tried to get some help and attention back down here in Florida. You've just GOT to do whatever you can, puuulllleeeeeezzzzeeee!!

2 and 2 make 4 and Jeb Bush helped "big bubba" AGAIN! Went around telling EVERYONE to vote Absentee and I still can't get an answer as to when or where OUR votes were counted!! HELP!

Cruella again!!! It's too too much for one to take. Bush/Prez... Bush/Gov. Cruella/Congressperson and now we have Martinez by a HAIR!! Castor should have been screaming!!!!

[berniew1]

140. There was also widespread vote machine fraud in other Florida counties

that was documented with many dozens of cases of machines reported to the EIRS hotline and county officials that "Default to Bush" after Kerry was punched in the big Florida touchscreen counties. Counties with widespread ballot switching by large numbers of machines include Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade; with similar cases in Hillsboro, Pinellas, Pasco, Sarasota, and Lee. Some of this pattern of vote default or switching was also seen in the U.S. Senate race of Betty Castor.
http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html
This is the same pattern seen in touchscreens in Ohio and New Mexico but there appears to have been even more cases of touchscreen fraud in Florida than in the other 3 states where it was documented. In Ohio they have obtained affidavits from voters and experts related to this issue.

[Melissa G]

142. Andy, I hear you feeling down right now But

If I hear you say you are a nobody one more time I going to personally come find you and beat you with a wet noodle 'til you get a clue. You are a Hero of Democracy! Many folks here are and you are certainly one of them. If you foolishly need more evidence... notice how Total strangers who have never met you will give you money, airfare, food, clothing, friendship and housing plus any job connections they can possibly dig up. Everything will work out. you are needed by democracy right now. Trust. Ask for what you need and I have every confidence it will be provided. Do the job America needs you to do right now. Expose this FraWd. Tell us how our community can help you. Our Community is 60,000 strong. We can do this together.
Love,
Melissa
:grouphug: :yourock:

[troubleinwinter]

145. Andy was nominated a Person of the Year in another thread here!!

And I seconded it!

:toast:

[corbett]

146. You Tha Man!

Kicking for the truth!

[Niche]

149. Really Andy this is ridiculous....

call everyone and anyone! Why haven't you bbv guys done ANYTHING?! You have information what's your hang up? Waiting for people to come to you is a cop out and a farce...

[ocean girl]

150. I sent Andy some money with this note:

Andy
I've read your posts on DU and my heart goes out to you. I, too, have been abused by insane bosses and I know what it feels like. I've sent you this small token of my thanks for your work. Sorry it can't be more, but I've been unemployed for over 3 years, so I'm pretty broke.

The work you're doing is vital to the survival of our democracy. If you ever need help in Palm Beach County, let me know on DU (ocean girl).

Good luck and remember:
Never surrender!
Deborah in Florida

[BreakForNews]

151. Andy Audio

FYI

Here is the Andy Stephenson Interview on BreakForNews: (mp3)
http://www.kathymcmahon.utvinternet.com/mrn/audio/InsideTrackNews041216.mp3

Covers Volusia in Detail

Your evidence should be on the record, Andy. Go for it.