KOS, the "God of the bloggers" call us crazy "fraudsters", uh?

[RaulVB]

I repeat to the "Kos worshipers" around here, the guy is planning to run for office in the future. He needs to speak "mainstream" whatever that means!

Two things, fraud has been documented enough and took place. Several types of it, I may add.

In any popular movement you'll find types like KOS. Guys without spine that care more about their own personal plans than the truth or honesty. Only when those individuals are called to explain their positions, the Democratic base will be able to compete with the very disciplined republican party base.

This blogger should be ashamed of his fascist behavior. "If you don't like it, go somewhere else...", he says.

"I didn't know I was nominated King of the liberals...", he rants in a very childish manner.

Dude, you weren't!

It was your self appointed "holier than thou" blog that brought you to the public corporate media sphere. You don't represent many people, maybe none, indeed.

You are nobody and you should be aware of it. Once you are elected and have some legitimacy you might be able to dictate public policy or insult honest people...and pay the prize for it!

Test your "ideas" in the real world.

Run for office and see what happens!

Link below:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/3/135759/4341

[floridadem30]

1. Thanks for the info and link.

[Malva Zebrina]

2. I dunno

there has been a lot of adoration of the bloggers since the MSM seems to have forsaken their real job, but I seldom see them as some others have. I have not read all of them, but some of them, may be thinking of a career down the road and are going the way of all those who get a little bit of exposure and some sense of celebrity.

I am in my barrel, holding a lantern, looking for an honest man.

[AmerDem]

3. dupe

join this long discussion.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=228353&mesg_id=228353

[RaulVB]

5. In this case, I want to make different points in the same subject, thanks.

I want to make very clear what's going on here.

Regards.

[Name removed]

15. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[RaulVB]

19. Let me say something to you:

Maybe the moderators understand that old principle of free exchange of ideas better than you do, and is a very good thing, really.

There are 500 treads "Kerry-related" and other hundred or so "Bev Harris" related.

I didn't see you censoring those!

As you said, if you don't have the time to read or reply, well...don't.

[AmerDem]

26. They were not quotes and direct links

to the very same site and story. What you contributed could have easily fit into the original post. That's how open discussion on a given topic works. In your warped assessment I and many others could have and should have linked to this same story and started a new post because we hold our own opinion on it.

Shall we shoot for 20 or 40 threads of this Kos write up?

[RaulVB]

28. We'll have to disagree on this (n/t)

[bemis12]

17. Looking for something new....

Nope. Found nothing.

[RaulVB]

21. "Stalking a poster from one tread to another one"

The poster that spoke about "etiquette" may be interested in give you some information about this particular rule.

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[RaulVB]

27. No, "bro"...

Thanks for the unrequested reply, though!

[cali]

4. Over sensitive much?

Although I'm not a kos worshipper, I am a kos admirer. I've read that piece, and I agree with him wholeheartedly. As he says, don't like it, don't like him, don't go there. Calling kos a fascist for saying this is so over the top, it's almost beyond comment. Disagree with someone? Why call them a fascist. How feeble can you get?

[Kelvin Mace]

7. Yeah, the fascist dig

was *WAY* over the top.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[RaulVB]

12. OK, "fascist autoritarian"(n/t)

[RaulVB]

10. "Admirer"?

KOS has done...what?

He is in the same class with Gandhi, perhaps?

I don't like fascist autoritarian types, that's just me.

[Kelvin Mace]

16. Again, this is a bit much

He said he admires Kos' work. He didn't claim he was "Ghandi".

Again, I am missing how he is a fascist/authoritarian type. You can read his site or not read his site. As far as I can see, he allows people to post whatever they like in their diaries, but if he decides it doesn't make the front page, that his prerogative, it is *his* site.

I have freepers attack me because I delete personal attacks from my blog. I will leave debate, but it is *my* site and I won't tolerate name calling.

Am I a fascist?

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org


EDIT: typo

[RaulVB]

20. And I asked him what type of "work" is that (n/t)

[Kelvin Mace]

31. By work

I would assume he meant Kos' writing and efforts on his web site.

I am also trying to find where Kos calls someone "crazy", the word does not appear in his text.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[RaulVB]

32. Read the original tread on his site

And the replies to it.

[Kelvin Mace]

36. If by thread, you mean Kos'

I read it and mostly agree with his viewpoint. Even if I didn't, I see *no* reason fot the vitriol displayed here and in some of the responses.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[RaulVB]

38. Again, that's your privilege

I don't agree with your replies so I'll stop responding. No way to agree on the subject, and that is perfectly valid, correct?

Regards.

[cali]

23. Oh for pity's sake

look up fascist. Look up authoritarian. Your misuse of the language rivals the chimp's. Truly pathetic.

[RaulVB]

24. Look up "pathetic"

And try to improve your "message"...

[righteous1]

13. That term is thrown around here so much it has completely lost

any semblance of meaning

[RaulVB]

14. You mean, "democracy"? (n/t)

[Kelvin Mace]

6. I don't worship anyone

but I don't see what you are getting upset about.

He apparently doesn't agree with your standards of proof and says you are free to read someone who does.

I see no eveidence he plans on running for office and don't care if he does.

This vitriol is very misplaced.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[RaulVB]

11. Well, your privilege, indeed (n/t)

[burned]

8. forget Kos's rant

he links to Georgia10's excellent report at the end.
Go read that instead.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/2/19512/47013

[Garbo 2004]

9. Just FYI in case you missed it, previous kos thread on this here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x228353

[Blue Shark]

18. Markos may not be front and center...

...on the fraud issue but a SUBSTANTIAL portion of the dKos Cummunity is. The are, and have always been, our friends. Lets not do the typical Democratic Hari Kiri. We are a broad, reality-based, assortment of like-minded individuals and dissent is the life blood of our freedom to be the anti-BushCo, who walk in nothing if not lock-step.

[RaulVB]

22. Nothing against them

They are not well treated in that site.

I appreciate what they do.

[Kelvin Mace]

33. Can you tell me how they are

"not well treated"? Does Kos berate them in some fashion? Does he not allow them to post. Does he delete their posts?

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[RaulVB]

35. And at the same time shows them the door???

Very, very democratic.

[Kelvin Mace]

37. Again, please clarify.

Has Kos banned folks who post things he disagrees with? Has he deleted posts?

Inviting someone to leave is they don't like the philosophy of the board is NOT the same thing as banning them?

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[RaulVB]

29. Very good question posted by one visitor of KOS's site

I wonder about KOS response to it

"I'm dismayed, appalled and pretty well disgusted by the tone and language of your post, Mr. Kos.

I found this site 3 days after the election when googling "exit polls" in an attempt to find an explanation that I could understand and live with. This "political analysis and daily rants on the state of the nation" site seemed to consist of a community of intelligent and well-informed people who conducted themselves for the most part with respect for each other's ideas, ideals, and research.

I have spent a couple of hours here every day since. Although I have seen some extremist comments about the election being "stolen", mainly what I've seen are well-reasoned, well-researched posts and comments about an issue that is the absolute basis for our democracy -the right of every citizen to cast a vote that is counted.

IMHO, this is the one single issue that has the potential to be the basis for a true Democratic coalition, a central rallying point. By deliberately ignoring this issue, you yourself have consigned it to the potential excesses of the "fringe element". I have been puzzled by the complete lack of attention to this issue on the front page, and am similarly puzzled by your rant today - when you could have shared your views on this subject weeks ago in a less belligerent manner.

May we assume that you will also be sharing your views and possible restrictions with your advertisers? CafePress.com sells a button that states "They didn't count the Democrats" overlaid on an outline of the state of Ohio."

- by auntdeen on Mon Jan 3rd, 2005 at 13:54:46 PST.
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* Damn good question, indeed.

[RaulVB]

30. And this post really is self explanatory

Very well said.

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"Nice to Finally Know Where You Stand"

You've been hiding behind your posse for a while now on this, so it's nice to see you finally make your own appearance.
I have never read such an intellectually dishonest post outside of Freeperville. Chock full of insults and lame attempts at marginalization that would make even copy writers at Fox blush, you distort and name call like you just finished reading Animal Farm last night. Tell me, is it possible to make an honest argument without resorting to GOP style tactics, or is this simply the type of thuggish rhetoric we Dems should 'reform' to?

Apart from the 1984speak, your weak excuses for failing to help carry the torch on this issue revolve mainly around your reputation, and getting tarred by association as a 'whacko liberal' (your phrase). You pretend that if everyone else in their outrage after election day had simply made reasoned, informed posts from the get go, well then . . ., you would have been right there out front calling for reform.

Of course you would. Pull the other one.

You decided from day one you weren't going to touch this issue, and outside of post hoc justifications, you really have never said why. My guess is that has something to do with your sources of revenue, although I'm sure you will protest that, even though you take money from establishment Dems, it would NEVER interfere with your editorial integrity.

But now you have a problem. You built technology that allows others to drive an issue forward. And that technology has taken on a mind of it's own, threatening to usurp control of your agenda. Say hello to the monster, Dr. Frankenstein.

Whether you or your sponsors like it or not, your site has become a breeding ground for electoral issues which you would just as soon see go away. And despite the best efforts of your associates to systematically tamp down a view point not amenable to your interests, their clumsy tactics have only breathed more life into the dissenters, and honed their arguments to such a razor that you can no longer stand on the sidelines and let georgia10 publish her magnificent opus without directing a broadside of vitriol and slurs at her audience.

You sound frightened Kos. Like you aren't quite sure how to stop the rampaging monster from destroying your carefully constructed image of an inside-outsider. I trust your nervous establishment patrons will be temporarily ameliorated by your rant, and that you will be able to insult away at least a few of the more vocal voting reform advocates. But in the long run you are simply cannablizing your readership (and hence your long term revenue base) to placate the big boys in DC.

Admit it Kos, you have been co-opted. I only hope you find the rewards to be worth the price."

The Dude Abides

by Voting Dem on Mon Jan 3rd, 2005 at 14:50:14 PST

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And the concepts on that note are very telling, really.

[RaulVB]

34. And the issue of KOS's timing is interesting too.

Here is a piece that is worth reading.

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"The timing"

It's January 3, with only three days left until the electoral votes are slated to be the focus of our legislators. Along comes a front-page rant on one of the largest and most recognized blogs in the country. So while Conyers et. al. try to fight the good fight and get some serious attention paid to the widespread election irregularities, your front-page diatribe cannot possibly do anything but undermine them.
This is highly likely to be noticed by the powers that be, Kos. Is that what you intended by the timing? I'm curious, because there is so little time left here and you've let it go on for the duration. Until now, puzzlingly.

Do you think a hit in the solar plexus to those, like Conyers, who are looking for some help in the Senate is going to advance the reform you say you want? Do you think that there will be any reform that can take place without the Conyers's of the world leading the charge? Or ... hey, do you think you can do what he cannot? Good luck. Because those with the power to enact the needed reforms have barred the door to the inner sanctum. Got a key? I didn't think so.

Democrats have NO power to effect any change. Zippo. And the more we let slide -- under the dubious guise of worrying about what the other side is saying about us -- the less power we will have. Fear is one of the Democratic Party's biggest problems and this is why Dem candidates are great sitting ducks for Republican smear campaigns and hijinks. "What will they think of us if we complain or fight back?" Dems whine. "Looking bad is worse than anything else! What if they (gasp) call us names? We'd best be real careful what we say and how we say it or those meanies will use it against us!" Meanwhile, do you think Rossi over in Washington gave one happy damn about what anybody thought when he screamed "Fraud!!!" (I say "we" even though I am a registered Independent. I like you Democrats these days.)

In your rant, you basically said "there's the door" to people who want to post about fraud and stolen election, etc. Is that what you meant to say? Or did you get carried away?

Have you considered that this free and open discussion that has you in such a tizzie comes with the territory you yourself have created? You can kick people off of here -- person by person -- if you like. Kind of cumbersome. I'll be one of the first to go, since I think the electoral slate should NOT be accepted in three days, pending investigation.

Probably the best thing to do, Kos, is hire professional writers and create a Salon-like subscription service, so that you do, in fact, have complete control over content. As it stands, you have totally made your reputation by creating a blog that enables exactly the sort of free discussion that has attracted thousands to your site and has, in the process, attracted your wrath. I have another question: don't all these hits increase the value of advertising dollars? Are we multitudes not responsible for helping the financial fortunes of this blog -- not to mention the reputation by virtue of its popularity?

The open discussions here are why I come here. I have been thankful to you for the opportunity. I will feel that way even as I get the boot out the door, because I have learned a lot here.

I have really, really enjoyed the people here -- the fraudniks, the no-fraudniks, the silly ones, the serious ones, the angry ones, the happy ones, etc. etc. Cheers to all. And cheers to you, too, Kos, for making it possible. Even if I get the boot, I will remember the two months of fun I had."


by Justess on Mon Jan 3rd, 2005 at 15:41:24 PST